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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We do have a couple of public hearings tonight, so people at home can get in on the public comment via Zoom. And our first public hearing is 1309 OCR Automobile Dealership Public Hearing with Greg Berman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Members of the board, for the record, Greg Bergman, Senior Planner with the Riverhead Planning Department. This is a public hearing for a site plan application, which is seeking to redevelop an existing commercial site with a new approximately 18,000 square foot automobile dealership, along with related site improvements, including parking, lighting, landscaping, drainage, and new water and sanitary connections. Subject property is located at 1309 Old Country Road in Riverhead within the Business Center Zoning Use District, and is more particularly described as Suffolk County, in the Central Central District. 22-2-2.1. Just a brief bit of history on the application. The application did receive relief from the Zoning Board of Appeals for a number of variances. Those appeals were granted by Appeal No. 23-048, dated November 9, 2023. And this board, by Resolution No. 24-007, dated January 18, 2024, assumed lead agency initiative negative declaration. It is worth noting that since the Zoning Board of Appeals determination was granted, the applicant has performed some revisions to the plan. All of the proposals in the current site plan are within the parameters and within the relief that was granted by the Zoning Board of Appeals, so there's no need for the Zoning Board of Appeals to revisit that. I did receive just now the affidavit of posting and mailing and the proof of postings from the applicant's attorney. So I do have that. And it will be entered into the record of the application. At this point, I will turn the microphone over to the applicant's attorney, Chris Kent. Thanks, Greg.

Thank you, Greg. Good afternoon, planning board members. My name is Christopher Kent, Ferrell Fritz, P.C., 100 Motor Parkway, Hoppog, New York. On behalf of the applicant, Denison Company Holdings. With me today are three representatives from the applicant. We have Keith Buda, Craig Ugrin, Mark Matalota. We also have Anthony Stancanelli, who's the project engineer, Perry Petrello, the architect for the project, and Amanda LaRosa, a traffic engineer for the project. I also handed up to you earlier, and I'm going to be walking through this, so if you have it, I believe I left it in front of you. In front of your seats, we can go through it together. The applicants seek site plan approval from the board to permit the development of a new 17,998-square-foot automobile dealership with showroom and office, service bays, on-site parking, lighting, landscaping, drainage, and new connections to Riverhead Water and Sewer on a 2.07-acre parcel known as 1309 Old Country Road in Riverhead. IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE BUSINESS CENTER, B.C. ZONING DISTRICT. EXHIBIT ONE WILL HELP YOU LOCATE THE PROPERTY ON OLD COUNTRY ROAD. IT ALSO FRONTS ON OSBORN AVENUE. EXHIBIT TWO IS A TAX MAP LOCATOR FOR THE PARCEL. THE AERIAL PHOTOS ATTACHED IN EXHIBIT THREE SHOW THAT THE PARCEL IS HIGHLY VISIBLE AND UNDERUTILIZED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE TOWN SEWER AND WATER DISTRICTS. IT FRONTS ON TWO ROADS, 216 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON OLD COUNTRY ROAD, COUNTY ROAD 58, AND 389 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON OSBORN AVENUE. THE FRONTAGE ALONG OLD COUNTRY ROAD HAS AN EXISTING CURB AND SIDEWALK THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED AND THE EXISTING CURB CUT WILL BE RELOCATED FROM THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY NEAR THE SITCO GAS STATION TO THE EASTERN END OF THE PROPERTY CLOSER TO ROCCOS. THE FRONTAGE ALONG OSBORN AVENUE EXTENDS THREE ROADS. IT FRONTS ON TWO ROADS, 216 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON OLD COUNTRY ROAD, COUNTY ROAD 58, AND 389 FEET FROM RIVERHEAD BEVERAGE TO THE SITCO GAS STATION. AS SHOWN IN EXHIBIT 4, THE STREET VIEW FROM OLD COUNTRY ROAD SHOWS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK WITH NO SETBACKS OR LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND PAVEMENT AND THE STREET VIEW FROM OSBORN AVENUE THAT SHOWS THE SITE IS WIDE OPEN WITHOUT ANY CURBING OR SIDEWALKS. THIS VIDEO SHOWS A VIDEO FROM OLD COUNTRY ROAD THAT SHOWS A VIDEO FROM OLD COUNTRY ROAD THAT THIS CREATES A DANGEROUS THROUGH LOT USED FREQUENTLY BY DRIVERS TO AVOID THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT OSBORN AND COUNTY ROAD 58 AND ACCESS OLD COUNTRY ROAD FROM OSBORN BY CROSSING OVER THIS PROPERTY. THE STREET VIEW PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY FROM OLD COUNTRY ROAD AND OSBORN AVENUE SHOW THE EXISTING USE AND CONDITIONS AND THE VARIOUS TRUCKS AND AUTOMOBILES STORED ON SITE. ALSO SHOWN ON EXHIBIT 4 ARE PHOTOS OF EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS LOOKING FROM THE PROPERTY TOWARD OSBORN AVENUE AND APPLE HONDA TO THE WEST AND ACROSS ROUTE 58 TOWARD EAGLE AUTOMALL TO THE NORTH. THERE ARE ALSO VIEWS FROM THE SITE LOOKING DOWN OSBORN AVENUE AT RIVERHEAD BEVERAGE CENTER AND ACROSS THE PAVED PARKING LOT TOWARD ROCCO'S PIZZA THAT HAS NO LANDSCAPED AREAS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. THESE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ARE FOR THE MOST PART CLEARED AND PAVED AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE SUBJECT SITE THAT IN ADDITION TO THE LACK OF ANY PROPER SIDEWALKS CURBING AND DRAINAGE THE EXISTING SITE IS CLEARED. THERE ARE SEVERAL PAVED OIL AND STONE AND SAND AND GRAVEL OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS AND PARKING AREAS ON THE PROPERTY AND THERE ARE SEVERAL DELAPIDATED BUILDINGS THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED AND IF YOU LOOK THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING OR VEGETATIVE BUFFERS CURRENTLY ON THE SITE. BECAUSE OF THE UNRESTRICTED ACCESS IN THE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREA AND THE VISUAL IMPACTS OF THE EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNSIGHTLY AND SUSCEPTIBLE TO UNSAFE CROSS OVER TRAFFIC, LITTERING, DUMPING AND LOITERING. FROM THE HISTORIC AERIAL PHOTOS THAT ARE ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT 5, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IS NEARLY COMPLETELY CLEARED EXCEPT FOR A SIDEWALK. THERE IS A SMALL STAND OF TREES IN THE REAR SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO OSBORNE AVENUE. ALTHOUGH SOME VEGETATION HAS VOLUNTARILY GROWN OVER THE YEARS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SITE REMAINS CLEARED AND THERE IS EFFECTIVELY NO NON-DISTURBANCE BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. THE PROPERTY WAS HISTORICALLY USED FOR CAR AND TRUCK SALES AND STORAGE WITHIN THE PROPERTY. IT HAS HAD MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE YEARS EXCEPT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING EXTENSION THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY. EXHIBIT 6 INCLUDES PHOTOS OF PROPERTIES WITH COMMERCIAL USES IN THE VACINITY OF THE SITE. TO THE WEST ACROSS OSBORNE AVENUE ON OLD COUNTRY ROAD IS APPLE HONDA. DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE SITE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OLD COUNTRY ROAD IS EAGLE CHEVROLET AND EAGLE CHEVROLET. DIRECTLY TO THE EAST ON OLD COUNTRY ROAD IS ROCCO'S PIZZA AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTHEAST ALONG OSBORNE AVENUE IS RIVERHEAD BEVERAGE. APPLICATION WAS MADE BY THE APPLICANT AND RELIEF WAS GRANTED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, THE TOWN ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR ALL VARIANCES REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. THE DETERMINATION OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT 7 IF YOU TAKE A LOOK IN THE BOOK. YOU WILL NOTE THAT THE DETERMINATION GRANTING THE RELIEF INCLUDES TWO CONDITIONS TO SCREEN THE PROPOSED USE FROM THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. IT CALLS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF AN 8-FOOT FENCE AND THE INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPED BUFFERS USING A MINIMUM OF 6-FOOT ARBORVITES. THE APPLICANT HEREBY CONSENTS IF THE PLANNING BOARD ELECTS TO INCLUDE THESE CONDITIONS IN ITS SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SUBSEQUENT TO THE ZBA'S DETERMINATION GRANTING ALL OF THE RELIEF REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT BASED UPON THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE SOME REVISIONS MADE TO THE PROPOSED PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE A CHANGE IN THE DEALERSHIP THAT WILL OCCUPY AND OPERATE THE PROPERTY. THE REVISED SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE RELIEF GRANTED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND IN SOME INSTANCES THE REVISED SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE RELIEF GRANTED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND IN SOME INSTANCES THE REVISED SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN REQUIRES LESS REVISED SITE PLAN REQUIRES LESS RELEASE THAN THE VARIANCE GRANTED BY MR. KENT, WHAT MATERIALS ARE THEY GOING TO BE USING ON THE FENCE BETWEEN THE SHOP AND THE NEIGHBORS? THE FENCE MATERIALS? HAVE WE DETERMINED THE FENCE MATERIALS YET? MR. CHAIN LINK OR? SOLID VINYL. SOLID VINYL. SOLID VINYL. SO THE CURRENT PLAN, THE REVISED PLANS, REQUIRE LESS VARIANCES THAN THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE ZBA. THE SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND FIRE MARSHAL PLAN ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT 8 IN THE BOOKLET INCLUDES A SLIGHTLY SMALLER BUILDING REDUCED FROM 18,023 SQUARE FEET DOWN TO 17,998 SQUARE FEET. A REDUCED FAR THAT BOTH THE FOOTPRINT AND THE FAR COMPLY WITH THE TOWN CODE DID NOT REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES. THE PLAN PROVIDES WIDER DRIVE OUT. THE NEW PLAN REQUIRES WIDER DRIVE OUT. THE NEW PLAN REQUIRES WIDER DRIVE OUT. TO IMPROVE ACCESS TO THE SITE AND INTERNAL TRAFFIC CIRCULATION YET LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA IS REQUIRED. THE PLAN NOW REQUIRES LESS PARKING, ONLY 50 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE NEW PLAN INSTEAD OF THE 60 PARKING SPACES THAT WERE REQUIRED ON THE PRIOR PLAN THAT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE ZBA. AND THE PLAN NOW PROVIDES 46 PARKING SPACES WHERE THE PRIOR PLAN REVIEWED BY THE ZBA IS HAD ONLY 45 PARKING SPACES. THE REVISED PLAN ALSO PROVIDES INCREASED CONTIGUOUS AND PARKING LOT LANDSCAPED AREAS THAN THE PRIOR PLAN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE ZBA. OVERALL THE PROPOSED PLAN BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY IS BETTER THAN THE PLAN PRESENTED AND APPROVED BY THE ZBA. THE PROPOSED PLAN INCLUDES A FENCE AND AN ENHANCED LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH A DARK AMERICAN ARBORVITI BUFFER SHARED WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. IN ADDITION, THERE IS A 45 AND A HALF FOOT GREEN AREA TO THE SOUTH THAT ABUTTS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND RIVERHEAD BEVERAGE. THE PLAN PROVIDES FOR A LANDSCAPED BUFFER UP TO CURBING ALONG OSBORNE AVENUE WITH A DESIGNED 36 FOOT WIDE ACCESS POINT FROM OSBORNE AVENUE. WITH THE LIMITED RIGHT TURN IN AND RIGHT TURN OUT AS ACCESS FROM OLD COUNTRY ROAD, THE OSBORNE ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS CRITICAL FOR SAFE ACCESS TO AND FROM THE SITE. IF THEY ARE COMING FROM THE EAST, THEY HAVE TO TURN AT OSBORNE AND COME IN THAT WAY? YES. THAT IS WHY WE WANTED TO PUT A VERY PROMINENT ENTRANCE OFF OF OSBORNE AND HAVE A SECOND SIGN THERE BECAUSE IT IS NEEDED FOR DIRECTIONAL AND PUBLIC SAFETY TO HAVE A SIGN. THE PROPOSED WIDER ACCESS AISLES ON THE SITE PROVIDE SAFE TURNING RADIUSES FOR THE SITE TO BE USED AS A CHEVROLET, MID SIZE AND HEAVY DUTY TRUCK DEALERSHIP THAT IS TO BE RELOCATED FROM ACROSS THE STREET. IT MUST BE NOTED THAT AS DEPICTED ON EXHIBITS 3, 4, AND 5, THERE ARE PRESENTLY NO YARDS AND NO LANDSCAPING ALONG EITHER THE OLD COUNTRY ROAD OR OSBORNE AVENUE STREET FRONT. THEREFORE THE ADDITION OF THE LANDSCAPED YARDS WITH STREET TREES WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY. ATTACHED AT EXHIBIT 9 IS THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD'S RESOLUTION FROM 2017 GRANTING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN APPLICATION MADE BY THE PRIOR OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FOR A PROPOSED AUTO SHOW ROOM AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY INCLUDING STRIPED PARKING AREAS, CURBING AND FLOORS. THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE USED TO PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY. TO PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY. THE IMPROVED PLAN, HOWEVER, DID NOT INCLUDE RESTORATION OR CREATION OF ANY BUFFERS OR SCREENING WITH THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST. AND INSTEAD ALLOWED A BUILDING TO REMAIN JUST 10 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. IN ANY EVENT, THAT PLAN DID NOT ADVANCE PAST THE APPROVAL PHASE. AND THE PROPERTY HAS REMAINED IN ITS PRESENT USE AND CONDITIONS SINCE THAT DAY. IN COMPARISON TO THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PRIOR PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN 2017, EXHIBIT 10 IN THE BOOK DEPICTS THE CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN OVERLAYED ON AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE SITE AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE PROPOSED PLAN PROVIDES A MUCH BETTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH IMPROVED BUFFERS, LANDSCAPING, SITES, AND AROUND THE PLAN. THE PLAN IS ALSO ADJUSTED WITH SITE ACCESS, DRIVING AISLES, AND PARKING AREAS. ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT 11 ARE COLORED RENDERINGS AND PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW CHEVROLET MID SIZE AND HEAVY DUTY TRUCK DEALERSHIP. THE ARCHITECT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PLAN. WHEN I FINISH I'LL BRING PERRY UP. ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT 12 IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE PLAN. YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PERRY IS HERE TO RESPOND. SO IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT PROVIDES THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THE PROPERTY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION IS SEVERELY UNDERUTILIZED WITH MUCH OF THE SITE BEING USED FOR DISORGANIZED OUTDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE. THIS FACT COUPLED WITH THE GENERAL APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE LACK OF LANDSCAPING AND UNIFORM BUFFERS DETRACTS FROM THE STREETSCAPE ALONG BOTH OLD COUNTRY ROADS AND THE OTHER OTHER SIDE OF OLD COUNTRY ROAD AND OSBORNE AVENUE. THE APPLICANT SUBMITS THAT THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE AND SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO BOTH THE PRODUCTIVITY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE AESTHETICS ALONG OLD COUNTRY ROAD AND OSBORNE AVENUE AND THE IMPACT UPON NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS. FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BENEFIT THE SURROUNDING AREA BY CONNECTING TO TOWN SEWER AND WATER, INSTALLING ON-SITE DRAINAGE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY LACKING ON THE SITE. AND BY ADDING AND MAINTAINING LANDSCAPING AND CONSISTENT BUFFERS WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY VERY LITTLE VEGETATION ON THE PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THE AREA. THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE WILL BE IMPERCEPTABLE SINCE IT IS LESS THAN THE CURRENTLY CLEARED AREA ON THE SITE AND IS ALSO LESS THAN MANY EXISTING CAR DEALERSHIPS ON OLD COUNTRY ROAD. PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT WILL PROVIDE APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE THROUGHOUT AND WILL ENSURE THAT ALL IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ARE PROPERLY DRAINED AND STORM WATER WILL NOW BE RETAINED ON SITE. THE PROPOSED UNDISTURBED TRANSITIONAL SIDE YARD IS AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE CURRENT CONDITION, WHICH CONSISTS OF DECIDUOUS TREES AND SHRUBS AND LOW LYING VEGETATION ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND SOUTHEASTERN PROPERTY LINES. THE PLAN PROVIDES A 45-FOOT AREA OF SOD WITH THREE CULMINATORS AND A LARGER PART OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IS A SOUTHERN BROAD OF THE PROPERTY, CHERRY TREES SURROUNDED BY ARBOR VITI BUFFER ALONG BOTH THE SIDE AND THE REAR PROPERTY LINES. THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY ADJOINS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL USE RIVER BED BEVERAGE, WHICH HAS AN EXISTING BUILDING WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE BOUNDARY WITH THE SAME RESIDENTIAL USES. THE UNDISTURBED TRANSITIONAL YARD ADJOINING THE RESIDENTIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES TO THE EAST IS ANOTHER IMPROVEMENT OVER THE PRESENT CONDITION WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY NO MAINTAINED BUFFER ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH AT ONE TIME WAS ENTIRELY CLEARED TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THE PROPOSED DEALERSHIP BUILDING WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY FARTHER, 55.3 FEET, FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE THAN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE 10.1 FEET AND 24.4 FEET FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. THE DISTANCE TO THE BUILDING AND THE NEW 10-FOOT WIDE TREE LINE BUFFER WITH PROPOSED ARBOR VITES WILL GROW TO A HEIGHT OF 20 TO 25 FEET AND PROVIDE GREATER SEPARATION TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE ROW. THE PROPERTY IS ALMOST ENTIRELY IN PERVIOUS SURFACE, WHICH HAS LITTLE TO NO LANDSCAPING. WE LOOK TO ADD SOME BUFFER BETWEEN THERE WITH SOME VEGETATION. SO IT WILL BREAK UP THE PROPERTIES WITH A BUFFERED BOUNDARY. WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING, THE VARIANCE GRANTED BY THE ZONING OF APPEALS ON THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROVIDED 45 STRIPE PARKING, SO THE PROPERTY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE LANDSCAPING OF THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE LANDSCAPING OF THE PROPERTY. TO RECEIVE RELEASES TO PROVIDE RELEASES TO PROVIDE RELEASES TO PROVIDE RELEASES TO PROVIDE STALLS WERE REQUIRED AND THE REVISED PLAN IS 46 STRIPED PARKING STALLS PROPOSED WHERE 50 ARE REQUIRED BY THE CODE. SO THE REVISED PLAN IS A LESSER IMPACT AND LESSER RELIEF REQUIRED. THE APPLICANT BASED UPON THEIR PRIOR EXPERIENCE OPERATING THE PROPOSED TYPE OF DEALERSHIP FOR CHEVROLET MIDSIZE AND HEAVY DUTY TRUCKS, THEY BELIEVE THE 46 PARKING STALLS WILL BE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT FOR EXPECTED CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEE PARKING NEEDS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER, YOU CAN ASK. WE ALSO HAVE THE PROJECT ENGINEER, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND THE ARCHITECT HERE AND ALSO THREE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APPLICANT. I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION BY THE WAY. HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN TO THE ARB YET? YES WE WENT BEFORE THE ARB. WE WERE VERY WELL RECEIVED. BOTH THE MATERIALS. THE COLORS, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WAS WELL RECEIVED. AND THE BUFFERS, THE STREET TREES AND THE BUFFERS ALONG THE ROAD FRONT WERE WELL RECEIVED. THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED US WITH A RECOMMENDATION YET. OKAY. AND ALSO I SEE YOU HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN INCLUDED IN THERE BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD THE ENTIRE SITE IS GOING TO BE DARK SKY COMPLIANT? YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY TENANTS OR ANY PROPERTY USE PRESENTLY NOW ON THE SITE? IN THE BUILDINGS? RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN USED JUST AS PARKING AREA FOR VEHICLES. THE BUILDINGS ARE DO YOU HAVE SOME STORAGE IN THEM? YEAH. OKAY. CHRIS, NO MENTION OF SIGNAGE. THE DEALERSHIP NAME WHATEVER I'M ASSUMING IS GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING? YES. THERE WILL BE SOME DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE SIGNS? THERE WILL BE A SIGN ALONG OLD COUNTRY ROAD AND THERE WILL BE A SIGN, A SMALLER SIGN, A SECONDARY SIGN ALONG OSBORNE AVENUE. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT ENTRANCE TO HAVE SIGNAGE THERE SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO ENTER. YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON A COUPLE OF THE PRINTS. WE ENTER AND EXIT OUT ON OSBORNE AVENUE. THERE'S AN ISLAND, THE BIDER ISLAND. THEN ON ONE OF THEM I BELIEVE IT'S THE LANCELOT ONE, THE ISLAND IS MISSING. WHICH ONE IS IT GOING TO BE? IS THE ISLAND GOING TO STAY THERE OR IS THE ISLAND GOING TO, I'D RATHER SEE THE ISLAND BE REMOVED. JUST THE TRAIL IS GOING IN AND OUT. IT JUST DOESN'T BECOME A SIGN. IT JUST DOESN'T BECOME SOMETHING THAT GETS BUSTED UP. I WILL LET THE PROJECT ENGINEER SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. ANTHONY STANCHINELLI, PHRONESUS ENGINEERING, 1601 VETS HIGHWAY, ILLANDIA, NEW YORK. CIVIL ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT. SO THE ISLAND IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE IT'S STRIPING. THE STRIPING SEPARATES THE IN AND THE OUT. IT ALSO CONNECTS THE CROSSWALK THAT GOES ACROSS. THE LANDSCAPING PLAN DOESN'T SHOW ANY OF THE STRIPING ON THE SITE. SO THE STRIPING WILL BE THERE. BUT NOT CURBING? THERE'S NO CURBING BECAUSE THE TRUCKS NEED TO ACCESS IT. THAT WAS MY POINT. RIGHT. SO IT'S FLAT. IT'S JUST STRIPING TO DIRECT TRAFFIC. PERFECT. WILL THERE BE ANY ACCESS FROM NEW YORK PARK ALONG TO ROCCO'S? WELL, PER OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE TOO MUCH PARKING FOR THEM. THEY HAVE THEIR PARKING ALL ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE. AND THERE'S NOT MANY STALLS FOR THEM. SO IF THEY GAVE US THE CROSS ACCESS, THEY'D LOSE HALF THEIR PARKING. NOR DO WE HAVE ANY INTENTION, YOU KNOW, OR NEED FOR CROSS ACCESS TO THEM. WE DON'T HAVE CROSS ACCESS TO THE GAS STATION. THAT WAS ALREADY CONFIRMED. ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT ORDER. YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO CREATE A TURNING LANE FROM THE NORTH INTO, IT'S JUST KEEP THE ORIGINAL. REGULAR TOWN ROAD. YEP. THE WATER AND SEWER ARE OFF OSBORNE AVENUE? NO, THE WATER IS GOING TO COME OFF ALL COUNTRY ROAD. OH, OKAY. RIGHT ALMOST TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SITE. THERE'S AN EXISTING WATER MAIN WE'RE GOING TO FEED INTO. OH, OKAY. AND THEN IT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NORTHEASTERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THAT? A SEWER LINE? A SEWER LINE IS OFF OF OSBORNE AVENUE. WE HAVE A SEWER MAIN RUNNING THE WHOLE LANE. RIGHT. WE ARE ALSO SPEAKING WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER TO HELP THEM CONNECT A POTENTIAL SEWER FROM THEIR PROPERTY THROUGH AN EASEMENT THROUGH OUR PROPERTY SO THEY CAN ALSO CONNECT TO THE SEWER. WHO IS THAT? ROCKO'S PIZZA. OH, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTION? I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING? HEATHER, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WAITING ON ZOOM? SO MOVED BY MR. HENDRIX. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SECOND. MOVED AND SECONDED. MAY WE HAVE A VOTE? MR. ZELDNICKI? YES. MR. HOGAN? YES. MR. DENARO? AYE. MR. YES. DO WE HAVE ANY RELEASES FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? job with that all right we were going to have a public hearing on Marist farm subdivision but apparently it wasn't posted properly so we will have a resolution later coming up with a new public hearing date

okay moving on to our first discussion item is furniture of minor subdivision extension with Matt charters

just to update the board way back in 2015 by resolution 0 0 4 5 May 21st 2015 the Planning Board did approve this minor subdivision is to create two lots at 84 Park Road into two into two 12,000 square foot lots it required relief from the zoning board at the time which they got the applicant miss Graham was sitting with us today you know work to get that approved with the Health Department unfortunately that took some time sanitary credits credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit it would be a county credit. Very quick. A Pine Barrens credit. But, you know, going back to the zoning board was the last thing she needed. I know it's a lot of extensions. The board is allowed to, you know, to grant them to bring things current. Just to give the board a little clarity, nothing has changed on the property. It's still the same subdivision map. The zoning is the same. The improvements are the same. So, you know, it's just how it was in 2015, just a long process, unfortunately. You know, this happened. There was an issue in the report about pillars or something on the property. Yes. I'm taking care of. Yeah, that's done. Yep. I had both the highway department and the building supervisor out to the property, and we took down the pillars, and the mulch parking area was bluestoned over with their approval. So that was the changes, and I have the certificates of occupancy and all that. It was just a long road to get here. Yep. What was the reason that they asked you for Pine Barrens credits? Well, after I left you all back in, I think it was 14 or 15. I had to argue in front of the health department as to the offset of water since they're bringing, if I was to bring back this property to its original state, which it was, there was a tax lot for that number back then. So after arguing and getting their decision, they told me I had to purchase a .8 Pine Barrens credit, which I don't know if you know how much Pine Barrens credits are going for, and to even find a .8. You know, most of them, they want to hold on to them. For larger projects. So for me to even find it and purchase it took a while, and by then, I started the whole, had to start the process again and come back to you all. Okay. I thought it might have been because of the new regulations with the AI systems. They might have given you relief from that. Oh, no. I had no relief whatsoever. Okay. None. So we do have a resolution on today to extend, which will... Really? department all the plans stamped and come back for signature and then get the maps filed great questions think we're good

okay the next uh item is nagle's born at halicville for discussion with matt charters

matt i'll tell you i had a very difficult time trying to find the location of this because everything shows every building oh okay and and this particular building wasn't labeled as to the uh what it was i hope there's another building some clarity but i found it after a while yeah i know there's a lot of uh a lot of structures a lot of structures out there if you guys can just introduce yourselves for the record good afternoon larry salveson from bbs architects 244 east main street and patch hug i'm heather johnson executive director of halicville museum farm 603 south avenue in riverhead new york okay welcome thank you a little background on the application this is the noggles and the ! barn at halicville so it's the westernmost barn on the property that's you know almost adjacent to i think it's the antique power which is the next property owner white barn it's got the quilt papered on the side of it so we do have a administrative cyclone application which proposes uh interior alterations to the noggles barn and how the museum farm which include the conversion of the existing wagon bay to include bathrooms a food prep area interior conditioning a new sanitary system and water line and the construction of the barn and the construction of the barn and the construction of accessible parking stalls the proposed action is type 2 pursuant to secra in terms of location north side sound avenue i apologize my report says it's an apz it's an ra80 so that's been corrected already that's a hangover from an old report pretty much all around there act production and residential uses we did refer the pods out to a number of departments no comments from the town engineer for the park area it's going to be pervious pavement with a small upgrade pebble that handy wheelchairs will be able to go over it arb did approve the elevations on the 24th of january fire marshal just said they'll need a construction permit at the time when they file for their building permit water district because they're doing a new water line they did have a key money fee assessed to them in the amount of three thousand seventy five dollars and eighty cents uh and as i said this is so this is not in the river and sewer district so they have to put in the new sanitary system for the bathrooms they'll just need um health department approval prior to getting a building permit pretty straightforward they're going to clean up the outside if they're familiar this is where the old ford truck sparked underneath so they're just going to enclose that area reuse one of the windows put it on the south side of the of the barn and that's going to be their prep area this is where they have been under traffic access you have something here that is cool uh two accessible stalls correct where are they going to be on the you can see here

right here so that's on the western side of the barn ada stall here ada stall here and then the adjacent area in the middle have they covered stalls or what are they used for handicap parking okay yeah what's up can you describe the food prep areas and what is the barn used for i know you have dancer's hooves but what are the uses that you have or tend to have and just tell us about the food prep area please so it's it's it's not really a prep area it's like a little kitchenette coffee area the they do hold weddings in the facility in addition to parties other types of events parties other types of activities and this is currently no no water to the building no sanitary system there's an outside toilet building so the town had made a series of recommendations over the time as an occupied structure to provide bathrooms for this facility and any time there's an activity that requires a food service they're going to be bringing in their own when they have a wedding they'll bring in their own food it's just basically a counter with a sink and a refrigerator and then there's a mop sink just for utility would you say that would be 150 it's a living there was no floor plan show right then you see that maybe he has one but did not receive one to see where I want to make sure so it's all prepared food it's all prepared food yeah it's just that when they bring it in they need a place to put it on a counter so that they can serve the people in the main room mentioned wedding no because there are it's on a very limited basis I mean we can discuss it if the board would want to put any additional restrictions on it but I think it's a good idea to have a lot of restrictions on the property in terms of any approval hours of operation I mean they'd have to comply with the release code anyway houses yeah no there's not much this it's the food prep areas here correct 167 square feet there's coffee area on there so it just wasn't clear to us what exactly you were doing there we go you guys do a lot of great small projects and I just I thought this would be to accommodate the people that are there bathrooms coffee some doughnuts and stuff like that pretty much they have a tee on occasions right 12 months a year we can also have events there Hallock fellow historic events speaker presentations educational presentations as well and not just you know I'm an Obviously the barn dance is great, the country barn dance is fantastic, but it would be nice in February to be able to offer events to the public that were educational about the history of Halleckville. And Matt, the parking is going to be? So the handicaps will also be on the western side of the barn. And those have to be blacktop? They do not have to be blacktop. If the stone is a certain size, it's considered ADA accessible. Okay. And then the rest of the parking is handled by the, is it a gravel lot that's in the back? Yeah, the existing drives are RCA. And the area where we're placing the handicapped parking stalls is where the signs are already posted to the building. We're just going to convert the ground. It's a grass area now. We're going to put in gravel pave. So it's going to be a pervious surface. A pervious surface. And then there's a gravel pathway. We're asked to provide a handicapped accessible ramp to access the building. That's on the north side as well. So have you been to the health department yet? Yes. The health department, we should receive our approval next week. It sits that far along. They just were, there was an application for one of the houses on the property in 2004 that they changed out their cesspool to a new system. And that application was never closed. So we've been assisting with closing that application. Otherwise, the IA that's proposed is completely approved. And we just had to open one of the existing septic tanks. And for the as-belt for the adjacent house. Now, any exterior work would have to go through the building department? So exterior, they're painting and they're doing new shingles on the roof? No window change. No window change. They're utilizing an interior window. And there's some facade changes. The western end of the south facade has an open wagon bay right now. Right. The truck is parked. And they're taking advantage of that space to provide the toilet. So that they don't affect the main open barn space, which is their main assembly area. So we are enclosing that western end of the south wall with siding to match. And we were going to put a mural of the truck on there as an homage to the truck. But the landmarks and historic work. I disagree with him. It would have been a cool painting. Are the shingles going to be Eshkol? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Cedar shake. They're Eshkol shingles now. And they've run their life cycle since the barn was moved in 2000. So we're going to replace them with a similar landmark shingle in the same. Canceling cedar shakes up there?

It's Eshkol shingle now. I think it's always been Eshkol. Yeah. It's a 1938 barn. The ARB had no issue with it. You going to rip down the old and put new in? Or are you just going to... No. No. We got to take them off. because part of the reason we're removing them is to insulate the roof. They want to keep the rafters exposed on the inside so it remains looking like a barn. So the only way to insulate the roof is to remove the roofing and put on an insulated nail board and the new shingles.

Is there a basement under the barn? Yes. What is that being used for? What is it going to be used for, for anything? It's storage. It's storage. So when the barn was moved, the barn was moved about 600 feet from the east to the west, and it was placed on a full basement at the time when it was moved in 2000. And it's storage right now, and we're actually reconstructing the stairway that goes down there because it doesn't exactly, because open risers doesn't use code. So we're reconstructing it to code. Right. And there is a secondary exit to the back from there. In that we're proposing to heat the building, the heating system will go down there, and the new electrical service will go down there, as well as the incoming water service will come into the basement area. So the secondary means out, does that lead directly to the outside? Directly to the outside, yes.

Any other questions? Nope. The only thing I have a problem with is maybe the weddings being there. That's the only question I have. You know, because there's been an issue with that. You have one a year, and it's small. It's one thing you saw happen. Everybody falls in love with it. You know, we've had a lot of problems you may or may not be aware of, and they've been pretty hefty problems. Yeah, I don't know how long you've been doing weddings. Yeah, I mean, it's been an ongoing, I guess, use of this property for some time. I mean, if the board would want to replace it, and they're restricted on it, I would say we would take it. My only concern is competing against private industries, paying taxes. I would say that's not the main use of the bar. It might be supplementary. I don't want to speak for the applicant. You know, the town board has considered changes to their special event code. I mean, none of these have been brought forth yet, but there would be potentially a private special event code that they would need to apply for. Right, but either way, this will be a pre-existing non-conforming. We have to make them aware, and we have to put the same, or something like that in place. Yeah, I think that's a good point. I think there are restrictions. Absolutely. It won't do with anyone else, unfortunately. And you would have to get a permit if you wanted a wedding there. As it currently stands, no. But under the proposed changes, potentially, yes. So, I mean, that's up to this board if they want to add conditions or not related to weddings. I would, you know, I'm sure the applicant could speak to how limited or often they occur. Is there any outdoor music at this point, speakers? Has there been outdoor music? I mean, I've been here for a month, so I can't speak. You wouldn't know about it. I don't think so. Not that I'm aware of. I think everything's inside. I mean, I've been there a few times to some of the shows. I don't remember myself. But again, we, you know, we have to make you aware of what the restrictions are. And I would say we have, they would have to comply with a noise code no matter what. So that would really govern this case. I mean, you could limit any of the projections. We put something in the body of the resolution that says they will be subject to any future changes that they make in the. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, just this way here. You can go as normal. But if the town does change the code, you'd be subject to those changes. I think that's, I think that's a given. Wouldn't that be a correct statement? It's a given. Unless they're specifically. Yes. Yes. What I would, what I would think. And I agree with that 100 percent, Ed. Well, I think we should. I think what we should do is put in there the restrictions that are in place. Okay. And making everyone aware that they have to adhere to it. You know, they're in place. You know, you have that, that, that corridor on South Avenue. No music, no this, no outdoor music. Correct. We didn't make it. We just, you know, we just have to tell you that it's there. I don't think music, my personal opinion is I don't think music's going to be a problem because there's no residences next door. Correct. Per se. There's never been any complaints that I know of. I'm just concerned about the competition to venues that pay taxes and have weddings. Yeah, I mean, I would say it's an alternate funding source for the barn as, for the whole museum as well. Not to speak for the applicant, but. Well, we want you to make money and be successful. Keep them violent. Keep them violent. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's a, it's definitely a balancing act. We don't want to, we don't want to set a precedence anywhere, you know. Correct. Well, the use of the property is a museum. Whether or not, you know, having accessory events is, you know, considered customary or an accessory, I think it probably would be. It's not my job to make that interpretation, but. I do want to be clear. Yeah. We don't want to become a wedding hall. I mean, it's a historic site and that's, you know, one of the. I don't think that's anybody's intention. And. And. Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, it's a very good point. I understand what you're saying, but it's not, not interested in becoming a wedding factory. Yeah, I understand. I don't know. Is there any way, Eric, that we could, you know, come up with an opinion that will make them happy and control how many weddings and et cetera they can have? Yeah, I can coordinate with Matt on the application and when you're doing the resolution that comes after this. So, yeah. Yeah. We'll, we'll come up with something. Yeah. Yeah. We have a resolution on to approve. Yeah. Cool. Cool. How many people are you able to hold at one time, you know, by the fire marshal? Ninety-six. Ninety-six people. Yeah, in the main room. So one thing that's a benefit of the project is that right now it's a wide-open barn. So when you open that main barn door, it's open to the outdoors. We are enclosing that with a storefront door so that any of the activities that will be inside will be much more contained than they are now. And when there are not activities, the barn door will be closed over so that it looks just like it does when it's not in use. Are there any residents on the property? Any people living there? In the apartment in Chicanowicz? There is a staff member who lives at the Chicanowicz house, and there is a renter living at one of the smaller properties, the small house. And there's a lot of other residents. And there's a lot of other residents. And there's a lot of other residents. You want to see if we can get some wording so that we can approve the resolution? Yeah. You want to see if we can get some wording so that we can approve the resolution? I'm going to wait and let these guys talk about it. I'm going to wait and let these guys talk about it. Chairman, that was something I did not anticipate, the wedding part. I think you guys do a great job. I've been there. My sister belongs to the Halligville line. I did not expect that. I just, that could be. Something is. If you let one person do it, why not the next guy or the next guy, like George was saying? All right. What we can do is move forward and let the guys. And nothing against you guys, but we just. All right. We want to help you. I understand. I didn't advise myself. So we're going to move forward, let them have their meeting over there and come to some resolve before the resolution comes out. Just something that we can put into the resolution. Okay. Before we approve it. Yeah, we'll have to amend it. Okay. In the meantime, are there any public comments on any resolution? I'll move resolution number 14, the Amanda Firmature subdivision. Second. Moved and seconded. May we have a vote? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Yes. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Yes. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Yes. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Behr? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion is carried. So why don't we just hold on to 15 while they work on it. And I'll move resolution 20-20-4-0-1-6 for dry specie manufacturers outlet center granting a six month extension of preliminary site plan approval. So I'll move. Second. Second. Moved and seconded. May we have a vote please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Aye. Mr. Behr? Yes. Before I vote I just want to say one thing. I was on the zoning board of appeals in the mid 1990s and this has been around since then. With that being said, yes I vote yes. So the motion is carried. I move resolution number 20-20-4-1-7 Marist Farm subdivision resolution to schedule public hearing on a minor subdivision application seeking approval to subdivide two existing properties. Second? Second. Moved and seconded. May we have a vote please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Aye. Mr. Behr? Yes. And I just want to say this was going to be a public hearing tonight but apparently it wasn't posted property so we're changing the date of the public hearing and I vote aye. Resolution 20-20-4-0-18 transmits recommendation to town board resolution number 20-20-4-0-8 town board resolution authorizing the transmission of a letter to the town board recommending mending the speed limit on the portion of Roanoke Avenue north of Middle Road. Second. Moved and seconded. May we have a vote please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Aye. Mr. Behr? Yes. And I vote aye. I think Ken you brought this forward and I think it's a good idea, I really do. Yes. Thanks. Are we set to go back to 2024? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? Yes. Mr. Boyk? comply with the code. Everybody good with that? Yes. Applicant? Did you hear that? Yes. You're good? Okay. All right, I'll move. Resolution 015. Granting administrative approval as amended. Second. Second. Moving in second, may we have a vote, please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNiro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye.

Thank you. Keep up the good work over there. Thank you.

Public comments on all matters relating to town business? Okay. Somebody want to move the minutes, please? I'll move them. January 18, 2024, so moved. Second. Moving in second, may we have a vote, please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNiro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote yes. The motion's carried. Any other business staff? Anybody? Gentlemen, all good? Mr. Cotty, do you have something?

The next meeting date will be Thursday, March 7th, 2024 at 6 p.m. right here. Have a great weekend, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. We have a motion? Motion. Motion. Chair? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you.