April 4, 2024 — Planning Board

Planning Board Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
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4:00Thank you.
4:30Thank you.
4:38How can we help you?
4:40Just a question on the whereabouts of the property.
4:44You said it was 751 Northville Turnpike?
4:47The address is 821 Northville Turnpike.
4:51The property is located on the east side of Northville Turnpike.
4:54It's directly across from the northernmost entrance to the BJ's.
5:00Shopping Center, the BJ's and the old Kmart.
5:02There's an existing driveway that serves the existing single-family residents.
5:07So there would be one new curb cut north of that to serve the new residents.
5:13Okay.
5:13No problem.
5:14That's it.
5:15Okay.
5:16Thank you.
5:17Thank you.
5:19Great.
5:19Anybody else?
5:20Great.
5:20He's meeting all the wetland requirements.
5:23Yes.
5:23So per the town code, the area of the wetlands was removed from the total yield.
5:30So just for the board's knowledge, and so we have it on the record,
5:33after accounting for those wetland areas,
5:37the total upland area on lot one is 75,612 square feet.
5:51And I'm sorry.
5:55They didn't actually provide.
5:57So there's 24,875 square foot.
6:00So there's approximately a total of wooded area, 34,800 of cleared area.
6:03So there's approximately 69,000 square feet, give or take of upland area that would contribute
6:10towards the yield where 40,000 square feet is required.
6:14And then on lot two, there's approximately 84,000 square feet of upland area contributing
6:20to yield where again, 40,000 is required.
6:22So they both will exceed the minimum lot size.
6:26Anything else?
6:30I'm good.
6:31I move we close the public hearing.
6:35Second.
6:36Moved and seconded.
6:37Gentlemen, may we have a vote?
6:39Mr. Zelnicki?
6:39Yes.
6:40Mr. Hogan?
6:40Yes.
6:41Mr. Nannaro?
6:42Aye.
6:42Mr. Baer?
6:43Yes.
6:44And I vote aye.
6:44The motion carries.
6:46The public hearing is closed.
6:47We're going to go into the second public hearing, which is Terravite Winery
6:51and Vineyard Residents Tasting Room Conversion, again with Greg Berman.
6:55All right.
6:56Thank you.
6:57So the subject of this public hearing,
7:00is a site plan application for Terravite Winery and Vineyard.
7:04The site plan application proposes to convert an existing single family residence located
7:09at the site of an existing tasting room and vineyard.
7:12They're going to convert that existing single family residence
7:15into additional tasting room space.
7:17The site plan application also proposes to construct additional onsite parking
7:21to facilitate the proposed expansion and seating.
7:24For the record, the subject property is a 2.1 acre parcel of land, which is located
7:29at 250 Manor Lane and Jamesport within the Agricultural Protection Zoning Use District,
7:34and is more particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Plan Number 600-47-2-5.5.
7:43Again, the proposed improvements do not propose any new additional structures,
7:48simply the conversion of an existing structure and the creation of additional parking
7:53to facilitate the use, rather limited in scope.
7:56I would ask if the board has any questions.
7:59I know we have representatives from the application here,
8:02or if you'd like to open it up to the public.
8:04Sure, let's open it up.
8:16Good evening.
8:17Bonnie Schmidt, 430 Manor Lane, Jamesport.
8:21I am a homeowner on Manor Lane who was subjected to large crowds, unreasonable noise,
8:27and loud amplified music.
8:29I am a homeowner in a space in the heart of riverhead
8:31I respectfully ask the town of Riverhead to remain prudent in protecting the rights that
8:38residents have to enjoy their yards and homes by possibly adding stipulations and or covenants
8:46addressing noise issues that may arise in the future.
8:50The current owner may not be contemplating holding large events at this time with these
8:55proposed enhancements, but plans do change as well as owners.
9:01Thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening.
9:03CHAIRMAN BERNANKE.
9:05Thank you very much.
9:06Next speaker.
9:07Do you want to have the people come up?
9:12CHAIRMAN BERNANKE.
9:13Yeah, you're welcome to come up.
9:16Do we have anybody on Zoom?
9:19I want to hand over to Olivia to have another question.
9:27CHAIRMAN BERNANKE.
9:28Olivia, do you have another question?
9:29Yes.
9:31Nothing from me.
9:32CHAIRMAN BERNANKE.
9:33Okay.
9:34Just checking.
9:35Board members?
9:36CHAIRMAN BERNANKE.
9:37Edgar, if you can just come up for a minute.
9:38And Art, if you want to.
9:39Good evening.
9:40Edgar Goodale, 1728 Edward Avenue in Calverton.
9:41I'm here at the Hest.
9:42I'm not an owner.
9:43My son and my daughter-in-law are the owners, but I'm here in the Hest.
9:44I'm not an owner.
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10:26I don't want it interfering with the neighbors.
10:29It's possible that there are trees at the end of that fence that continue down to the road.
10:34There are trees there.
10:35So I don't know if I can't.
10:37I don't think a fence would interfere.
10:39It would only leave like a two-foot section between the fence and the trees that are on the neighbor's property.
10:45So I don't know if that's an issue or not with the neighbor.
10:48And quite honestly, as I spoke to you before, Ken, I'm not sure whose fence that is, if it's the neighbor's or ours, quite honestly.
10:54I don't know.
10:54Would you communicate with them and see if it would be helpful?
10:57But that could be done if there's no – I'm not talking too far.
11:01Mr. Goodale, I just had a question.
11:04I think it's a private house that's being converted into a wine tasting room.
11:09You have people that are unfamiliar with the layout of it.
11:13Now, would you consider putting in a secondary means of egress off the second floor?
11:17I saw the drawing, and it only had the one stairway going to the second floor, being it was a private house.
11:23But now you're going to have –
11:24Yeah, you have people up there, especially if they're drinking.
11:28If something happened, would a secondary means of egress be added?
11:32I believe that was only on the first floor, wasn't it?
11:35U.S. land, the fake land, or the –
11:37I can speak for that.
11:38Yeah, go ahead.
11:41Arthur Rast, architect for the owner, residing at 118 School Street, Lindenhurst, New York.
11:49So during the whole process of doing this conversion, obviously we have to look at the code,
11:54and what's required in terms of egress and such.
11:56I understand your concerns with regards to the use
11:59and what in theory could happen in that space,
12:02considering people drinking and this, that, and the other.
12:04But based on the actual occupancy load for the proposed space,
12:09realistically by the code you really only need one means of egress
12:13out of that building.
12:15As long as they're able to get to that first floor,
12:16there are actually about three means of egress out of the structure.
12:21From the first floor, but I'm concerned with the second floor,
12:25if something happened on the first floor,
12:26then one way of egress is cut off.
12:31Well, I mean, technically you do also, I mean, it's not ideal,
12:35but there is also a window with a roof structure
12:39that's immediately outside of that.
12:41That could be a means of egress as well.
12:44I mean, again, I know it's not an ideal thing,
12:46but per the code we do meet all the requirements.
12:51Okay.
12:52Will there actually be public presence on the second floor?
12:57Are you going to use the second floor for tasting as well?
13:01As it stands now, the house is used very, very little.
13:06If you're familiar at all, the tasting room is very small.
13:09It's pretty small, and then there's a covered porch outside of that.
13:12And most of the business that's done at the vineyard
13:16is usually outside on a patio.
13:19Our issue is...
13:21The wonderful weather we've been having the last few months
13:24is that when you get over 30 people
13:27and you have an additional, like, 10 people
13:29that may come on a weekend for...
13:32On a Saturday or something, there's no more interior room.
13:35So really the intention is really only using
13:37the first floor of that second house.
13:40And quite honestly, it'll probably never be used
13:43when the weather's nice.
13:44It's only when it's days like today and the last...
13:46Whatever, if on a weekend and stuff.
13:48That's the whole purpose of this whole thing
13:50is to have some additional...
13:51Inside space when the weather's not right.
13:55Nobody really likes to be inside
13:57and within your day to be outside.
13:59And that's what we're really trying to do.
14:01As far as the second floor goes,
14:04I mean, we're not making any alterations.
14:05We're not building anything or stuff like that.
14:08And I'm not sure what the building codes,
14:10New York State building codes would...
14:12You know, to allow.
14:13But if Arthur said that that meets the code,
14:16then that's probably what it is.
14:17All right.
14:20Now, Edgar, the...
14:21Parking, the new parking on the grass area,
14:23are you guys bluestone?
14:24Are you going to bluestone that?
14:27Quite honestly, we're hoping you will allow us
14:30to do a bluestone.
14:31We really don't want to pave it.
14:32We use that grass.
14:34We use that for parking today.
14:35Right, right.
14:36I mean, they're pulling up on the grass.
14:38So, you know, it's...
14:40The parking there is only an issue usually on a Saturday.
14:42Right, right.
14:43And that we use that parking in on the angle
14:45and they're parking on the grass.
14:47So we would prefer gravel rather than asphalt.
14:50Quite honestly,
14:51I'd prefer to leave it grass.
14:52But, you know, if you have to mark it out
14:54and do whatever, we would make it gravel.
14:56But then again, if you get weather like this,
14:57the grass gets muddy and...
14:59When there's weather like this,
15:00there ain't nobody parking there.
15:03I wonder if I could...
15:05If you could address the previous speaker's concern
15:08with regard to events.
15:10Yeah, I mean, we're being grouped in
15:12through another party that's on Manor Lane,
15:16which I don't really, you know, agree with.
15:18But that tasting room's been there a long time
15:20and I don't know if any...
15:22We don't have any...
15:25We did...
15:26Well, they're talking about outside speakers.
15:28I know, the outside speakers and stuff.
15:30When we do have music there, it's...
15:32Actually, Jackie should speak to this
15:34because she's the one that does all this.
15:36But usually it's a solo artist with a guitar that's outside.
15:40We don't have any bands.
15:41There's no live bands.
15:42We did one wedding
15:44and I think I heard both my son and daughter-in-law say
15:48there will never be a second one.
15:50So that's not the venue.
15:53That's not what they bought this place for.
15:56It's not what they do for.
15:57It's a tasting room.
15:57It's a very small vineyard.
16:00You know, we cultivate, you know,
16:02with a few places of acres of land.
16:04We got, you know, about five acres of land
16:05of growing grapes and we do everything on site
16:09and we have no aspirations of making it
16:12any larger than it is today.
16:15But as she stated, plans change
16:17or people may change, whatever,
16:18but I can only tell you, speak to what we do today.
16:20Just another question with regard to the,
16:23there's a parcel which shows a one-frame garage
16:28which has a right-of-way onto your property.
16:32Yes, that's owned also by the same parcel, same people.
16:35I'm sorry?
16:36It's owned by same person.
16:38My son and daughter-in-law checkerboarded it.
16:41Oh, they own that as well?
16:42Yeah, 250, 260, and 270, Madeline.
16:44Oh, okay.
16:44And the vineyard's behind all three of them.
16:46Okay.
16:50Greg, is Bluestone going to be allowed driveway there?
16:55Yeah.
16:56Oh, okay.
16:59No zoomers?
17:00We got a handout.
17:01Got a handout.
17:04Hi, Olivia Russo again from 153 Fox Run Lane.
17:10With the, in regards to the paving of the grass areas,
17:13I don't know if there'd be any different seepage
17:16or infiltration rate.
17:17What about the pervious cobblestone?
17:20Really, there might be a chunk
17:22of grass in there that might be in there.
17:25Really, there might be a chunk of grass in there
17:26but looks like grass when you're at the right angle.
17:32Cobblestones are nice, you're right.
17:33The applicant has the right to use the gravel,
17:36so it's up to the applicant to whatever is legal he can do.
17:42No problem. Just a thought. Thank you.
17:45Thank you.
17:47Edgar, there's a six-foot grass area near the vines
17:52because your measurements would be 40 feet from the fence
17:58all the way to the first row,
18:00which would give you enough for the parking
18:02and still two-way traffic.
18:05Can that grass, that little bit of like five- or six-foot grass area?
18:09Oh, on the other side of the driveway?
18:10Right.
18:10It's about five, right, to the first set of vines,
18:13about five or six feet, yeah.
18:14Right.
18:15Just to make it as wide as possible?
18:17Because I don't think you're going to want to take down any of the vines.
18:20Okay.
18:21We don't have to.
18:22We don't have enough as it is.
18:23And it says, you know, you have to maintain a fire zone,
18:26but you can just do that with signage also.
18:30Yeah, that hasn't been.
18:30I mean, there's always been egress there,
18:32even on the most crowded days.
18:33It's been, you know, you can get in and out.
18:36Otherwise, it hasn't been an issue.
18:41Anybody else?
18:43I move we close the public hearing.
18:46So moved.
18:47Second.
18:48Moved and second.
18:50Mr. Schmidt,
18:50you made some very valid points,
18:53but you're probably going to get one of the finest neighbors in Riverhead
18:56to run that.
18:57Mr. Goodale is as fine as they come.
19:00And I'm sure he's going to be a great neighbor.
19:02He would have did a better job if he had bought samples here tonight,
19:06but whatever.
19:09Okay.
19:09Do we have a, is it moving to the second?
19:11Yes.
19:11Okay.
19:12Gentlemen, may we have a vote?
19:13Mr. Zernicki?
19:14Yes.
19:14Mr. Hogan?
19:15Yes.
19:15Mr. Nicaro?
19:16Aye.
19:17Mr. Baer?
19:17Yes.
19:18And I vote aye.
19:19The motion carries.
19:20Good luck.
19:23Okay.
19:23Moving right in once again with Greg.
19:26Marist Farm Minor Subdivision.
19:28Take it away, Greg.
19:29Thank you.
19:31And I do have Mr. Charles Cuddy here.
19:34He's the attorney for the applicant.
19:36I just wanted to bring this application,
19:38the Marist Farm Minor Subdivision,
19:40back before the board for some final clarification
19:42before we grant any approvals.
19:45As we heard at the last,
19:47at the public hearing for this application back in March,
19:50a number of the residents and neighbors came out
19:53and just asked if we could retain any sort of vegetative buffers
19:56between, you know, the neighboring properties.
20:00The applicant, I spoke with Mr. Cuddy,
20:02they seem amenable to providing a, you know,
20:04a non-disturbance buffer along the,
20:07what I would recommend, and if the board's amenable,
20:09a 25-foot non-disturbance buffer
20:12along the northern property boundary,
20:14which is shared with the residents of Linda Lane,
20:16and then a 25-foot non-disturbance buffer
20:20along Rona,
20:20Oak Avenue,
20:21that will just allow for the retention of some trees.
20:24I do note that along that northern property boundary,
20:27it is a very steep slope,
20:28so realistically,
20:29they're not going to be building anything in that area anyway.
20:32And I think just for marketability,
20:34I mean, I don't think it would be really right of them
20:36to go in and clear-cut the property, so.
20:39The board's amenable,
20:40and if the applicant's amenable,
20:42providing a 25-foot non-disturbance buffer
20:44along the northern property boundary in Rona,
20:46would be staff's recommendation.
20:49I did know,
20:50I know that it did also come up
20:51about a non-disturbance buffer
20:53along the south side of the property
20:55that borders the farm property.
20:59Again, you do have some steeper slopes
21:01on that farm property,
21:02and there is a wooded buffer on the farm parcel.
21:07So I'm just trying to get the board's opinion
21:08and see how they'd like to proceed
21:10before we do any sort of approvals.
21:12I'm okay as you have it written there.
21:1525 feet?
21:16Yeah, it's okay.
21:1725 feet is agreed to,
21:19and by the way,
21:20the applicant's test.
21:22Just looking at the map here,
21:24it shows that you've got 15, 15, and 15 on the,
21:29okay, that's not 25.
21:31No, that's the 15.
21:33You have to move the road?
21:34That's the driveway,
21:35the 15, 15 to 15, that's the driveway.
21:38Right.
21:38So they'd realistically probably,
21:40they'd have a 15-foot buffer,
21:42but if you note that,
21:43and at that northeast corner,
21:45it's shared with the Towner Riverhead Recharge Basin,
21:48so I mean, you're not buffering a neighbor,
21:50But really, where that driveway loops down
21:52and where you start to get to the property line shed
21:55with Mr. and Mrs. Stelzer,
21:58that's where that 25-foot buffer would be.
22:00That's how I understand it.
22:02That's right.
22:04So if the board's amenable,
22:05I can prepare a resolution for the next meeting
22:08for the approval of this with the 25-foot buffer.
22:12Sure.
22:12That's good?
22:13I'm good.
22:13Good.
22:14All right.
22:15Excellent.
22:16Thank you.
22:17Thank you.
22:20Moving right along, 2nd Street Townhomes,
22:22once again with Greg Berman.
22:23Thank you, Mr. Cutter.
22:30I would invite the applicant for this application to come up.
22:34We have with us Tamer Pepa-Memetoglu.
22:39When he comes up,
22:39I will ask him to just spell that for the record for the stenographer
22:42so he can join in the discussion.
22:45We can go over the application.
22:50So again, if you could just introduce yourself
22:59and spell your name for the record, please.
23:01Tamer Pepa-Memetoglu.
23:05P-E-E-M-E-H-M-E-T-O-G-L-U.
23:10Thank you.
23:13So what we have is a site plan application.
23:16Excuse me, Greg.
23:16To redevelop and exist.
23:18Sir, could you just pull that microphone towards you a little bit?
23:20Is that better?
23:20Yeah, you'll probably get yelled at by Justin by that.
23:24Yeah, so if you keep that in the middle,
23:25it'll actually pick him up properly.
23:27Okay.
23:29Okay, if you could just...
23:30There you go.
23:31Thank you, sir.
23:33All right, so we've got a preliminary site plan application
23:35seeking approval to redevelop an existing site
23:38with a two-building, eight-unit townhouse development.
23:41So there will be four townhouse,
23:43four individual units in each building,
23:45along with parking, lighting, paving,
23:47drainage, and landscaping improvements.
23:50It is a type one action under our Riverhead Town Code
23:52because it's located within a town of Riverhead Historic District,
23:56so we will classify the action
23:58and coordinate secret review at this meeting.
24:02The project sites a 0.33-acre parcel of land
24:06located at 46 East 2nd Street in downtown Riverhead.
24:10It's located within the downtown Center 4,
24:12or DC 4, zoning use district,
24:14where townhouses are permitted use.
24:17And it's located within the boundaries
24:18of both the Riverhead Seward District,
24:19and the Downtown Center 4, or DC 4, zoning use district, where townhouses are permitted use.
24:20And it's located within the boundaries of both the Riverhead Seward District,
24:20and the Downtown Center 4, zoning use district,
24:20and the Riverhead Water District.
24:22Right now, the site is vacant
24:24with the exception of a 20 by 36 detached garage
24:27at the rear of the property.
24:28This site was previously improved
24:30with a three-story residence,
24:32which tragically burned down in November 2021.
24:36And the remains of that structure
24:37were demolished in October 2022.
24:40Surrounding area is a mix of commercial
24:42and residential uses.
24:44There's a professional office located directly to the west,
24:47assorted one- and two-family residences
24:49on both sides of the property.
24:49There's a professional office located directly to the west,
24:50assorted one-and-two-family residences on both sides of the property.
24:50There's a professional office located directly to the west,
24:50assorted one-and-two-family residences on both sides of the property.
24:50And it is in close proximity
24:52to the North Fork Brewing Company
24:55and the Montauk Distilling Company.
24:57As currently proposed,
24:59the application does require relief
25:01from the Zoning Board of Appeals
25:02for parking.
25:04Town code requires 1.5 parking stalls per unit.
25:10For the eight units,
25:11they require 12 parking stalls.
25:13They are able to provide 11 stalls,
25:15including one handicapped stall
25:17with accessible aisle.
25:18A denial letter will be drafted
25:21and allow the applicant to go to the ZBA.
25:24I do note that this application
25:26proposes the 9-foot by 20-foot
25:29double-striped parking stalls.
25:31Now, I understand that the board
25:33has traditionally,
25:34when we have site plan applications,
25:35looked for the 10-by-20 stalls.
25:38And I agree that that is more appropriate
25:40when you have a high-traffic commercial property,
25:43when you have people coming in and out,
25:45you don't know who is going to be parking next to you,
25:46someone can whip their door open.
25:48However, where these are going to be
25:50essentially private residences,
25:52I would support the 9-by-20 double-striped parking.
25:56You know, if you're the person living
25:58in the same building as you,
25:59drives that red car,
26:00and you see a big red scratch in your car,
26:01you're going to know who did it.
26:04So I would support the 9-by-20 double-striped.
26:07If the board agrees,
26:08they can move forward with that proposal.
26:10So, board, are you okay
26:13with the 9-by-20 double-striped in this situation?
26:15You know, so many people have larger units,
26:18vehicles, than just a standard, let's say,
26:21like a Toyota Camry or something like that.
26:26They're a lot wider, and that's a little objection that I have.
26:33Greg, the 11 parking stalls includes one handicap?
26:37Yes, so there's 11 stalls, one handicap,
26:41and when we calculate our parking,
26:43we include that handicap stall as parking.
26:46Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure.
26:48I'm not sure.
26:48I'm not sure.
26:48I do agree, but again,
26:50if you're living in this complex with your neighbors,
26:54you're going to be more conscious.
26:55You're not just going to whip your door open
26:57and, you know, smack the person living in the building,
27:01you know, the unit next to you.
27:03So if the rest of the board's amenable,
27:05we need to get it back.
27:08Yeah, we don't normally do this, to be honest with you,
27:10but I understand your point.
27:11It's a good point.
27:13What do you think, guys?
27:14May I also, we will install cameras in the back.
27:18For security reasons also.
27:20So we will be able to see everything from there.
27:25Real quick, because it's nine foot,
27:27are you allowing any contractors,
27:30vans, or anything else like that in the back?
27:33That's, you know, that goes to the nine foot span.
27:38Contractors that are going to be living there,
27:41with vans, I don't think they can do that.
27:45It's a commercial vehicle,
27:46and they should not be parked there.
27:48Okay.
27:52I'd like to see the ten myself,
27:54but, you know, we have given the nine,
27:58so, you know, if everybody's, you know, amenable to it,
28:01I'll agree with it as well.
28:03You know, everybody is,
28:05it's like going to be a little family, you know.
28:08Right.
28:10Are you the new owner of the property?
28:12Yes.
28:13Okay.
28:15I was very impressed with your elevations.
28:17Yes.
28:18Thank you.
28:18I thought we were going to have to come in here and fight about it,
28:21but it's a good looking building.
28:23Thank you.
28:23Is it vinyl sided?
28:25It looks like.
28:26No, it's a concrete board.
28:28It is, but it looks like a.
28:30It's clobbered, yes.
28:31Okay.
28:31Yes.
28:32And.
28:32Some clobbered, some single.
28:34If you look in figure three,
28:36that house on the main street side,
28:40on the second street side,
28:41has shutters,
28:42which I think makes a nice looking addition.
28:46I mean, you wouldn't have to do it all around,
28:47but on main street,
28:48the two front facades,
28:50I think it would make a little bit more of a.
28:51Poor.
28:51That.
28:52Okay.
28:52Definitely.
28:54Looking to it.
28:54Yeah.
28:54Yeah.
28:54So we are jumping ahead a little bit.
28:57So this applicant did do some preliminary consultations with the landmarks
29:01preservation commission.
29:03They've revised the elevations and the plans based on some of those comments.
29:07So they've incorporated a lot of those design elements and recommendations
29:11from the LPC.
29:13We will refer them obviously to the ARV and the LPC.
29:15Now that we have the formal submission,
29:18and then we can transmit those,
29:20you know,
29:21the recommendations for the shutters to be both the ARV and LPC.
29:26Just touching on.
29:28Greg, just on the second story,
29:30you know,
29:30it's a,
29:30it's a covered porch,
29:31not necessary.
29:32Yeah.
29:32There's like four windows on the upstairs.
29:34Not a big deal.
29:35All right.
29:36So just touching on the use of permeable pavers on the site plan application does propose to use approximately 5500 square feet of permeable pavers throughout the site.
29:47And that's mainly along the,
29:47along the,
29:48along the,
29:48along the,
29:48along the,
29:48along the,
29:48along the access driveway and in the parking areas in the rear of the property.
29:54so the planning board must approve the use of permeable pavers.
29:57we went over at our last meeting,
29:59the board approved the use for a project.
30:01I will note that this project with the exception of the parking stall,
30:05otherwise complies with the zoning in terms of allowable lot coverage and floor area.
30:09So this is not like a,
30:11a method to intensify over intensify the use of the property.
30:15the town engineer was all right.
30:16Fine.
30:17With the use of the permeable pavers,
30:18I'm just waiting on comments from every question,
30:22any variances.
30:24So the only,
30:25the only area of variance that this application requires is the one parking
30:29stall.
30:31with,
30:31with the use of the permeable pavers,
30:33they're able to meet the requirement.
30:34I don't know if they changed the town code or not,
30:36but when you were short parking stalls,
30:38you used to pay,
30:39you know,
30:40a fee.
30:40There is,
30:41so there is a fee and that is a re that is a requirement of the zoning board
30:44of appeals.
30:45I did note that this board within the last several years,
30:48reviewed a townhouse development on third street on the south side.
30:54they were also one parking stall short.
30:56They received that variance.
30:57That project has yet to be constructed.
30:59I'm not really sure what's going on with that,
31:01but that was a three unit development that was one parking stall short.
31:04So that is a condition of any zoning board of appeals variance at that $2,000 fee
31:09is paid prior to the issuance of a CEO.
31:12How large are the units?
31:15950 square feet.
31:17And that's,
31:18with,
31:18with the basement or without the basement without the basement.
31:23and the basements just show the basements just show a washer dryer and they're not finished basements,
31:27so they'll just be for storage.
31:31they are,
31:31is there any problem with groundwater?
31:35that area.
31:35you know,
31:36that is,
31:36okay.
31:38that was one comment from the town engineer.
31:40He did want to see a test boring just to demonstrate suitability.
31:44but for other developments in the area,
31:46you know,
31:46we haven't had issues with groundwater or drainage.
31:48the units are all two bedroom,
31:49two and a half baths.
31:50So each,
31:51there will be,
31:51like two bathrooms on the second floor,
31:53one for each bedroom.
31:54And then there's a little powder room on the first floor.
31:56again,
31:56smaller living units,
31:57but you know,
31:57rental units.
31:58And you know,
31:58there's a,
31:58it meets that need for middle housing that we're sort of running into the housing crisis.
32:01LED lighting,
32:02they are proposing LED lighting throughout the site.
32:03They all meet the dark sky requirements.
32:04and then,
32:04and then,
32:04and then,
32:05and then,
32:05and then,
32:05and then,
32:05and then,
32:05and then,
32:06and then,
32:06and then,
32:06they're all maximum color temperature of 3000 degree Kelvin.
32:21They all meet the maximum mounting height.
32:22Applicants provided a really attractive landscaping plan that proposes,
32:27non-fertilizer dependent vegetation,
32:30native vegetation.
32:31The plans do call for the retention of the large maple tree at the south end of the site.
32:35and then,
33:06Really,
33:08need for that 26-foot aerial apparatus road so that uh that issue essentially is addressed
33:15again we will refer to the arv and the lpc i've already sent out plans to the water district and
33:21sewer district and the highway department for their review and comment okay you put it you put
33:27quite a few uh no parking signs because you know because all the access is from the side so
33:34everybody's going to pull up and park yeah on the side so i hope they uh they pay attention to the
33:43sides if not that'll be a mess yes i see on the drawing where it has the water and sewer coming
33:50in but it has nothing about the utilities are they going to be underground or are they going
33:54to be overhead like underground everything is going to be underground and what type of fuel
33:58are you having gas no no gas at all just electric every oh for cooking
34:04and dry everything's going to be electric okay heating and cooking everything okay greg with the
34:09pavers that means just less dry wells is that correct um it reduces the amount of run so yeah
34:15the storage capacity is not all directed towards dry wells um so the the surface actually acts as
34:22a bit of a retention and there's some capacity within the permeable papers um just one quick the
34:28utilities the electric meters do we know where those electric meters are going to be located
34:33back of the building
34:34the back of the building pacing the parking lot all right just because that's that's come up a
34:39couple of times where if electrical meters if they're not shown on the plans they can end up
34:44on the front facades i've had a couple of applications where they've sort of ended up and
34:48it's not very visually appealing so as long as they're on the back keep those front facades
34:53looking nice and the fencing surrounding the property yeah you could use pvc uh no i was
35:01thinking about cedar or for
35:04um white pine yeah something like that yeah i i would prefer the pvc if you can it's much easier
35:12to maintain easier to clean it is true it may be more expensive but you know you don't touch it for
35:18true it just doesn't look great
35:25but i couldn't i can yeah just go over that yeah
35:31can you ignore me
35:34so i do have a again do i have a resolution to classify it as a type one action in secret
35:40uh for the board we can get secret coordination going wrap that up being that it's essentially
35:45almost all town agencies hopefully we can finish it up to coordination sooner than 30 days if we get
35:51responses we can move forward and get to a public hearing you have to contact the zba i will send it
36:00to the zba i'll prepare a denial letter for the applicant i'll send a confirmation letter to the
36:04the coordination materials with the denial to the zba good all right that's fine anything else man
36:13nope kenny you're good yeah uh yeah okay good luck we're gonna have a resolution on in a couple
36:19minutes so that's great good luck thank you very much okay at this point we're going to call for
36:26public comments on all resolutions any resolution resolution resolution
36:38jim de luca 12 linda lane east riverhead uh i have a comment about that project
36:45just with the condo project i have no objections to the project but i do have an objections
36:50to give a variance on parking especially on second street
36:55if you ever visit
36:56second street during the weekend especially when the brewery is open
37:02the existing residents can't even park there you only have parking on one side of the street
37:09and you have people on the north side of street
37:14at right now filling up the whole entire south side of second street and the brewery also is
37:24expanded and i think
37:26think it's in violation of their site plan expanded their outside seating
37:31they don't allow limousines or buses into the public parking lot behind so
37:38they also park in the street so you're figuring 1.5 parking units per unit
37:47generally if you have in in most cases you have two people working do the math
37:54you don't have even enough parking with 1.5 per unit but if that's what the code
38:00says that's what the code says but to give a variance to new construction when
38:08it's and and if you go through the articles to grant the variance it's
38:14supposed to maintain the character and neighbor and not affect the rest of the
38:18properties around that will affect the rest of the properties around by having
38:23cars and other vehicles that are not in the area that are in the area that are
38:24in the space space space space space space space space space space space space space
38:26parking in the street also because there's not enough parking even on the interior to meet the
38:32code the way it is now and how are you going to avoid because there's people in construction on
38:39this on that park in that street now how are you going to avoid a tenant if he has a large van or
38:45some you're going to tell him you can't park in the parking lot you got to go park out in the street
38:49i mean it just doesn't make if it's a side yard variance it doesn't affect any anybody else
38:56it's a height variance it really doesn't affect anybody else but when you're taking parking that
39:01is supposed to be absorbed by the new construction and pushing it out in a public street
39:10where you have houses that have been there between 130 and 140 years and have been there
39:16and and because of the new establishments going in there's not enough parking there now and also
39:22you have runoff from parking from the aquarium that goes
39:26they don't want to pay the $15, and they're parking on the street.
39:31So I don't think the board should even consider a variance on parking,
39:36nor parking stall sizes.
39:39I mean, you have somebody that comes in with a dually truck that is working,
39:43you're going to tell them you can't park on the site?
39:44Where's he going to go?
39:48So, again, I have no objection to the parking, I mean, to the condos,
39:54but I do have an objection to pushing parking off on 2nd Street
40:00that should be contained on the site.
40:03And with one and a half per unit, that's really not enough.
40:08I mean, if you think about it, if you have two people working,
40:10you have 11 parking stalls in, what is it, eight or nine units?
40:15You just, the math doesn't work.
40:20So it's easy to rule on something when you don't live there.
40:24But I suggest during the season, just take a ride down 2nd Street
40:29and tell me what you see.
40:313rd Street with that other condominium is totally different.
40:34They don't park on 3rd Street.
40:37And there's double parking on both sides of the street.
40:412nd Street, there's only parking on the south side.
40:46Okay, thank you, Mr. DeLuca.
40:48I made some good points.
40:49We'll take them under advisement.
40:51The only action we are taking tonight is the SECRA.
40:54Okay.
40:54So we can still further discuss that.
40:57Any other comments on resolutions?
41:00Nope.
41:02All right, gentlemen.
41:04I move Resolution 2024-029 to 2nd Street Townhomes.
41:11Classify an action requesting lead agency.
41:13So moved.
41:14Second.
41:15Moved and seconded.
41:16Gentlemen, may we have a vote?
41:18Mr. Zelnicki?
41:19Yes.
41:19Mr. Hogan?
41:20Yes.
41:20Mr. Nenaro?
41:21Aye.
41:21Mr. Baer?
41:22Yes.
41:23And I vote aye.
41:23The motion carries.
41:24We can open it up now to public comments on any matter.
41:35Somebody want to run the minutes?
41:38I'll move the minutes of March 7th.
41:40So moved.
41:41Second.
41:42Moved and seconded.
41:43All in favor?
41:44Aye.
41:45All opposed?
41:46And I vote aye.
41:47Any other business, staff, board members?
41:51Legal?
41:52Everybody's good?
41:52Okay.
41:54Okay.
41:54Next meeting will be Thursday, April 18th at 3 p.m.
41:58We hope to see you there.
42:00Motion to adjourn.
42:04Second.
42:05Moved and seconded.
42:06All in favor?
42:07Aye.
42:08Have a nice weekend, everybody.
42:09Thank you.
42:24Thank you.
42:27Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. How can we help you? Just a question on the whereabouts of the property. You said it was 751 Northville Turnpike? The address is 821 Northville Turnpike. The property is located on the east side of Northville Turnpike. It's directly across from the northernmost entrance to the BJ's. Shopping Center, the BJ's and the old Kmart. There's an existing driveway that serves the existing single-family residents. So there would be one new curb cut north of that to serve the new residents. Okay. No problem. That's it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Great. Anybody else? Great. He's meeting all the wetland requirements. Yes. So per the town code, the area of the wetlands was removed from the total yield. So just for the board's knowledge, and so we have it on the record, after accounting for those wetland areas, the total upland area on lot one is 75,612 square feet. And I'm sorry.

They didn't actually provide. So there's 24,875 square foot. So there's approximately a total of wooded area, 34,800 of cleared area. So there's approximately 69,000 square feet, give or take of upland area that would contribute towards the yield where 40,000 square feet is required. And then on lot two, there's approximately 84,000 square feet of upland area contributing to yield where again, 40,000 is required. So they both will exceed the minimum lot size. Anything else? I'm good. I move we close the public hearing. Second. Moved and seconded. Gentlemen, may we have a vote? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nannaro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. The public hearing is closed. We're going to go into the second public hearing, which is Terravite Winery and Vineyard Residents Tasting Room Conversion, again with Greg Berman. All right. Thank you. So the subject of this public hearing, is a site plan application for Terravite Winery and Vineyard. The site plan application proposes to convert an existing single family residence located at the site of an existing tasting room and vineyard. They're going to convert that existing single family residence into additional tasting room space. The site plan application also proposes to construct additional onsite parking to facilitate the proposed expansion and seating. For the record, the subject property is a 2.1 acre parcel of land, which is located at 250 Manor Lane and Jamesport within the Agricultural Protection Zoning Use District, and is more particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Plan Number 600-47-2-5.5. Again, the proposed improvements do not propose any new additional structures, simply the conversion of an existing structure and the creation of additional parking to facilitate the use, rather limited in scope. I would ask if the board has any questions. I know we have representatives from the application here, or if you'd like to open it up to the public. Sure, let's open it up.

Good evening. Bonnie Schmidt, 430 Manor Lane, Jamesport. I am a homeowner on Manor Lane who was subjected to large crowds, unreasonable noise, and loud amplified music. I am a homeowner in a space in the heart of riverhead I respectfully ask the town of Riverhead to remain prudent in protecting the rights that residents have to enjoy their yards and homes by possibly adding stipulations and or covenants addressing noise issues that may arise in the future. The current owner may not be contemplating holding large events at this time with these proposed enhancements, but plans do change as well as owners. Thank you for the opportunity to speak this evening. CHAIRMAN BERNANKE. Thank you very much. Next speaker. Do you want to have the people come up? CHAIRMAN BERNANKE. Yeah, you're welcome to come up. Do we have anybody on Zoom? I want to hand over to Olivia to have another question. CHAIRMAN BERNANKE. Olivia, do you have another question? Yes. Nothing from me. CHAIRMAN BERNANKE. Okay. Just checking. Board members? CHAIRMAN BERNANKE. Edgar, if you can just come up for a minute. And Art, if you want to. Good evening. Edgar Goodale, 1728 Edward Avenue in Calverton. I'm here at the Hest. I'm not an owner. My son and my daughter-in-law are the owners, but I'm here in the Hest. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I'm not an owner. I don't want it interfering with the neighbors. It's possible that there are trees at the end of that fence that continue down to the road. There are trees there. So I don't know if I can't. I don't think a fence would interfere. It would only leave like a two-foot section between the fence and the trees that are on the neighbor's property. So I don't know if that's an issue or not with the neighbor. And quite honestly, as I spoke to you before, Ken, I'm not sure whose fence that is, if it's the neighbor's or ours, quite honestly. I don't know. Would you communicate with them and see if it would be helpful? But that could be done if there's no – I'm not talking too far. Mr. Goodale, I just had a question. I think it's a private house that's being converted into a wine tasting room. You have people that are unfamiliar with the layout of it. Now, would you consider putting in a secondary means of egress off the second floor? I saw the drawing, and it only had the one stairway going to the second floor, being it was a private house. But now you're going to have – Yeah, you have people up there, especially if they're drinking. If something happened, would a secondary means of egress be added? I believe that was only on the first floor, wasn't it? U.S. land, the fake land, or the – I can speak for that. Yeah, go ahead. Arthur Rast, architect for the owner, residing at 118 School Street, Lindenhurst, New York. So during the whole process of doing this conversion, obviously we have to look at the code, and what's required in terms of egress and such. I understand your concerns with regards to the use and what in theory could happen in that space, considering people drinking and this, that, and the other. But based on the actual occupancy load for the proposed space, realistically by the code you really only need one means of egress out of that building. As long as they're able to get to that first floor, there are actually about three means of egress out of the structure. From the first floor, but I'm concerned with the second floor, if something happened on the first floor, then one way of egress is cut off. Well, I mean, technically you do also, I mean, it's not ideal, but there is also a window with a roof structure that's immediately outside of that. That could be a means of egress as well. I mean, again, I know it's not an ideal thing, but per the code we do meet all the requirements. Okay. Will there actually be public presence on the second floor? Are you going to use the second floor for tasting as well? As it stands now, the house is used very, very little. If you're familiar at all, the tasting room is very small. It's pretty small, and then there's a covered porch outside of that. And most of the business that's done at the vineyard is usually outside on a patio. Our issue is... The wonderful weather we've been having the last few months is that when you get over 30 people and you have an additional, like, 10 people that may come on a weekend for... On a Saturday or something, there's no more interior room. So really the intention is really only using the first floor of that second house. And quite honestly, it'll probably never be used when the weather's nice. It's only when it's days like today and the last... Whatever, if on a weekend and stuff. That's the whole purpose of this whole thing is to have some additional... Inside space when the weather's not right. Nobody really likes to be inside and within your day to be outside. And that's what we're really trying to do. As far as the second floor goes, I mean, we're not making any alterations. We're not building anything or stuff like that. And I'm not sure what the building codes, New York State building codes would... You know, to allow. But if Arthur said that that meets the code, then that's probably what it is. All right. Now, Edgar, the... Parking, the new parking on the grass area, are you guys bluestone? Are you going to bluestone that? Quite honestly, we're hoping you will allow us to do a bluestone. We really don't want to pave it. We use that grass. We use that for parking today. Right, right. I mean, they're pulling up on the grass. So, you know, it's... The parking there is only an issue usually on a Saturday. Right, right. And that we use that parking in on the angle and they're parking on the grass. So we would prefer gravel rather than asphalt. Quite honestly, I'd prefer to leave it grass. But, you know, if you have to mark it out and do whatever, we would make it gravel. But then again, if you get weather like this, the grass gets muddy and... When there's weather like this, there ain't nobody parking there. I wonder if I could... If you could address the previous speaker's concern with regard to events. Yeah, I mean, we're being grouped in through another party that's on Manor Lane, which I don't really, you know, agree with. But that tasting room's been there a long time and I don't know if any... We don't have any... We did... Well, they're talking about outside speakers. I know, the outside speakers and stuff. When we do have music there, it's... Actually, Jackie should speak to this because she's the one that does all this. But usually it's a solo artist with a guitar that's outside. We don't have any bands. There's no live bands. We did one wedding and I think I heard both my son and daughter-in-law say there will never be a second one. So that's not the venue. That's not what they bought this place for. It's not what they do for. It's a tasting room. It's a very small vineyard. You know, we cultivate, you know, with a few places of acres of land. We got, you know, about five acres of land of growing grapes and we do everything on site and we have no aspirations of making it any larger than it is today. But as she stated, plans change or people may change, whatever, but I can only tell you, speak to what we do today. Just another question with regard to the, there's a parcel which shows a one-frame garage which has a right-of-way onto your property. Yes, that's owned also by the same parcel, same people. I'm sorry? It's owned by same person. My son and daughter-in-law checkerboarded it. Oh, they own that as well? Yeah, 250, 260, and 270, Madeline. Oh, okay. And the vineyard's behind all three of them. Okay.

Greg, is Bluestone going to be allowed driveway there? Yeah. Oh, okay. No zoomers? We got a handout. Got a handout.

Hi, Olivia Russo again from 153 Fox Run Lane. With the, in regards to the paving of the grass areas, I don't know if there'd be any different seepage or infiltration rate. What about the pervious cobblestone? Really, there might be a chunk of grass in there that might be in there. Really, there might be a chunk of grass in there but looks like grass when you're at the right angle. Cobblestones are nice, you're right. The applicant has the right to use the gravel, so it's up to the applicant to whatever is legal he can do. No problem. Just a thought. Thank you. Thank you. Edgar, there's a six-foot grass area near the vines because your measurements would be 40 feet from the fence all the way to the first row, which would give you enough for the parking and still two-way traffic. Can that grass, that little bit of like five- or six-foot grass area? Oh, on the other side of the driveway? Right. It's about five, right, to the first set of vines, about five or six feet, yeah. Right. Just to make it as wide as possible? Because I don't think you're going to want to take down any of the vines. No. Okay. We don't have to. We don't have enough as it is. And it says, you know, you have to maintain a fire zone, but you can just do that with signage also. Yeah, that hasn't been. I mean, there's always been egress there, even on the most crowded days. It's been, you know, you can get in and out. Otherwise, it hasn't been an issue.

Anybody else? I move we close the public hearing. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Schmidt, you made some very valid points, but you're probably going to get one of the finest neighbors in Riverhead to run that. Mr. Goodale is as fine as they come. And I'm sure he's going to be a great neighbor. He would have did a better job if he had bought samples here tonight, but whatever. Okay. Do we have a, is it moving to the second? Yes. Okay. Gentlemen, may we have a vote? Mr. Zernicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nicaro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Good luck. Okay. Moving right in once again with Greg. Marist Farm Minor Subdivision. Take it away, Greg. Thank you. And I do have Mr. Charles Cuddy here. He's the attorney for the applicant. I just wanted to bring this application, the Marist Farm Minor Subdivision, back before the board for some final clarification before we grant any approvals. As we heard at the last, at the public hearing for this application back in March, a number of the residents and neighbors came out and just asked if we could retain any sort of vegetative buffers between, you know, the neighboring properties. The applicant, I spoke with Mr. Cuddy, they seem amenable to providing a, you know, a non-disturbance buffer along the, what I would recommend, and if the board's amenable, a 25-foot non-disturbance buffer along the northern property boundary, which is shared with the residents of Linda Lane, and then a 25-foot non-disturbance buffer along Rona, Oak Avenue, that will just allow for the retention of some trees. I do note that along that northern property boundary, it is a very steep slope, so realistically, they're not going to be building anything in that area anyway. And I think just for marketability, I mean, I don't think it would be really right of them to go in and clear-cut the property, so. The board's amenable, and if the applicant's amenable, providing a 25-foot non-disturbance buffer along the northern property boundary in Rona, would be staff's recommendation. I did know, I know that it did also come up about a non-disturbance buffer along the south side of the property that borders the farm property. Again, you do have some steeper slopes on that farm property, and there is a wooded buffer on the farm parcel. So I'm just trying to get the board's opinion and see how they'd like to proceed before we do any sort of approvals. I'm okay as you have it written there. 25 feet? Yeah, it's okay. 25 feet is agreed to, and by the way, the applicant's test. Just looking at the map here, it shows that you've got 15, 15, and 15 on the, okay, that's not 25. No, that's the 15. You have to move the road? That's the driveway, the 15, 15 to 15, that's the driveway. Right. So they'd realistically probably, they'd have a 15-foot buffer, but if you note that, and at that northeast corner, it's shared with the Towner Riverhead Recharge Basin, so I mean, you're not buffering a neighbor, so. But really, where that driveway loops down and where you start to get to the property line shed with Mr. and Mrs. Stelzer, that's where that 25-foot buffer would be. That's how I understand it. That's right. So if the board's amenable, I can prepare a resolution for the next meeting for the approval of this with the 25-foot buffer. Sure. That's good? I'm good. Good. All right. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. Moving right along, 2nd Street Townhomes, once again with Greg Berman. Thank you, Mr. Cutter.

I would invite the applicant for this application to come up. We have with us Tamer Pepa-Memetoglu. When he comes up, I will ask him to just spell that for the record for the stenographer so he can join in the discussion. We can go over the application.

So again, if you could just introduce yourself and spell your name for the record, please. Tamer Pepa-Memetoglu. P-E-E-M-E-H-M-E-T-O-G-L-U. Thank you. So what we have is a site plan application. Excuse me, Greg. To redevelop and exist. Sir, could you just pull that microphone towards you a little bit? Is that better? Yeah, you'll probably get yelled at by Justin by that. Yeah, so if you keep that in the middle, it'll actually pick him up properly. Okay. Okay, if you could just... There you go. Thank you, sir. All right, so we've got a preliminary site plan application seeking approval to redevelop an existing site with a two-building, eight-unit townhouse development. So there will be four townhouse, four individual units in each building, along with parking, lighting, paving, drainage, and landscaping improvements. It is a type one action under our Riverhead Town Code because it's located within a town of Riverhead Historic District, so we will classify the action and coordinate secret review at this meeting. The project sites a 0.33-acre parcel of land located at 46 East 2nd Street in downtown Riverhead. It's located within the downtown Center 4, or DC 4, zoning use district, where townhouses are permitted use. And it's located within the boundaries of both the Riverhead Seward District, and the Downtown Center 4, or DC 4, zoning use district, where townhouses are permitted use. And it's located within the boundaries of both the Riverhead Seward District, and the Downtown Center 4, zoning use district, and the Riverhead Water District. Right now, the site is vacant with the exception of a 20 by 36 detached garage at the rear of the property. This site was previously improved with a three-story residence, which tragically burned down in November 2021. And the remains of that structure were demolished in October 2022. Surrounding area is a mix of commercial and residential uses. There's a professional office located directly to the west, assorted one- and two-family residences on both sides of the property. There's a professional office located directly to the west, assorted one-and-two-family residences on both sides of the property. There's a professional office located directly to the west, assorted one-and-two-family residences on both sides of the property. And it is in close proximity to the North Fork Brewing Company and the Montauk Distilling Company. As currently proposed, the application does require relief from the Zoning Board of Appeals for parking. Town code requires 1.5 parking stalls per unit. For the eight units, they require 12 parking stalls. They are able to provide 11 stalls, including one handicapped stall with accessible aisle. A denial letter will be drafted and allow the applicant to go to the ZBA. I do note that this application proposes the 9-foot by 20-foot double-striped parking stalls. Now, I understand that the board has traditionally, when we have site plan applications, looked for the 10-by-20 stalls. And I agree that that is more appropriate when you have a high-traffic commercial property, when you have people coming in and out, you don't know who is going to be parking next to you, someone can whip their door open. However, where these are going to be essentially private residences, I would support the 9-by-20 double-striped parking. You know, if you're the person living in the same building as you, drives that red car, and you see a big red scratch in your car, you're going to know who did it. So I would support the 9-by-20 double-striped. If the board agrees, they can move forward with that proposal. So, board, are you okay with the 9-by-20 double-striped in this situation? You know, so many people have larger units, vehicles, than just a standard, let's say, like a Toyota Camry or something like that. They're a lot wider, and that's a little objection that I have. Greg, the 11 parking stalls includes one handicap? Yes, so there's 11 stalls, one handicap, and when we calculate our parking, we include that handicap stall as parking. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I do agree, but again, if you're living in this complex with your neighbors, you're going to be more conscious. You're not just going to whip your door open and, you know, smack the person living in the building, you know, the unit next to you. So if the rest of the board's amenable, we need to get it back. Yeah, we don't normally do this, to be honest with you, but I understand your point. It's a good point. What do you think, guys? May I also, we will install cameras in the back. For security reasons also. So we will be able to see everything from there. Real quick, because it's nine foot, are you allowing any contractors, vans, or anything else like that in the back? That's, you know, that goes to the nine foot span. Contractors that are going to be living there, with vans, I don't think they can do that. It's a commercial vehicle, and they should not be parked there. Okay. I'd like to see the ten myself, but, you know, we have given the nine, so, you know, if everybody's, you know, amenable to it, I'll agree with it as well. You know, everybody is, it's like going to be a little family, you know. Right. Are you the new owner of the property? Yes. Okay. I was very impressed with your elevations. Yes. Thank you. I thought we were going to have to come in here and fight about it, but it's a good looking building. Thank you. Is it vinyl sided? It looks like. No, it's a concrete board. It is, but it looks like a. It's clobbered, yes. Okay. Yes. And. Some clobbered, some single. If you look in figure three, that house on the main street side, on the second street side, has shutters, which I think makes a nice looking addition. I mean, you wouldn't have to do it all around, but on main street, the two front facades, I think it would make a little bit more of a. Poor. That. Okay. Definitely. Looking to it. Yeah. Yeah. So we are jumping ahead a little bit. So this applicant did do some preliminary consultations with the landmarks preservation commission. They've revised the elevations and the plans based on some of those comments. So they've incorporated a lot of those design elements and recommendations from the LPC. We will refer them obviously to the ARV and the LPC. Now that we have the formal submission, and then we can transmit those, you know, the recommendations for the shutters to be both the ARV and LPC. Just touching on. Greg, just on the second story, you know, it's a, it's a covered porch, not necessary. Yeah. There's like four windows on the upstairs. Not a big deal. All right. So just touching on the use of permeable pavers on the site plan application does propose to use approximately 5500 square feet of permeable pavers throughout the site. And that's mainly along the, along the, along the, along the, along the, along the, along the access driveway and in the parking areas in the rear of the property. Um, so the planning board must approve the use of permeable pavers. Um, we went over at our last meeting, the board approved the use for a project. Um, I will note that this project with the exception of the parking stall, uh, otherwise complies with the zoning in terms of allowable lot coverage and floor area. So this is not like a, a method to intensify over intensify the use of the property. Um, the town engineer was all right. Fine. With the use of the permeable pavers, um, I'm just waiting on comments from every question, any variances. So the only, the only area of variance that this application requires is the one parking stall. Um, with, with the use of the permeable pavers, they're able to meet the requirement. I don't know if they changed the town code or not, but when you were short parking stalls, you used to pay, you know, a fee. There is, so there is a fee and that is a re that is a requirement of the zoning board of appeals. Um, I did note that this board within the last several years, reviewed a townhouse development on third street on the south side. Uh, they were also one parking stall short. They received that variance. That project has yet to be constructed. I'm not really sure what's going on with that, but that was a three unit development that was one parking stall short. So that is a condition of any zoning board of appeals variance at that $2,000 fee is paid prior to the issuance of a CEO. How large are the units? 950 square feet. And that's, with, with the basement or without the basement without the basement. Um, and the basements just show the basements just show a washer dryer and they're not finished basements, so they'll just be for storage. Um, they are, is there any problem with groundwater? Uh, no, that area. Ah, you know, that is, okay. Um, that was one comment from the town engineer. He did want to see a test boring just to demonstrate suitability. Um, but for other developments in the area, you know, we haven't had issues with groundwater or drainage. Um, the units are all two bedroom, uh, two and a half baths. So each, there will be, uh, like two bathrooms on the second floor, one for each bedroom. And then there's a little powder room on the first floor. Um, again, smaller living units, but you know, rental units. And you know, there's a, it meets that need for middle housing that we're sort of running into the housing crisis. So, um, LED lighting, they are proposing LED lighting throughout the site. They all meet the dark sky requirements. Um, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, they're all maximum color temperature of 3000 degree Kelvin. They all meet the maximum mounting height. Applicants provided a really attractive landscaping plan that proposes, uh, non-fertilizer dependent vegetation, native vegetation. The plans do call for the retention of the large maple tree at the south end of the site. Um, and then, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, !

Really, need for that 26-foot aerial apparatus road so that uh that issue essentially is addressed again we will refer to the arv and the lpc i've already sent out plans to the water district and sewer district and the highway department for their review and comment okay you put it you put quite a few uh no parking signs because you know because all the access is from the side so everybody's going to pull up and park yeah on the side so i hope they uh they pay attention to the sides if not that'll be a mess yes i see on the drawing where it has the water and sewer coming in but it has nothing about the utilities are they going to be underground or are they going to be overhead like underground everything is going to be underground and what type of fuel are you having gas no no gas at all just electric every oh for cooking and dry everything's going to be electric okay heating and cooking everything okay greg with the pavers that means just less dry wells is that correct um it reduces the amount of run so yeah the storage capacity is not all directed towards dry wells um so the the surface actually acts as a bit of a retention and there's some capacity within the permeable papers um just one quick the utilities the electric meters do we know where those electric meters are going to be located back of the building the back of the building pacing the parking lot all right just because that's that's come up a couple of times where if electrical meters if they're not shown on the plans they can end up on the front facades i've had a couple of applications where they've sort of ended up and it's not very visually appealing so as long as they're on the back keep those front facades looking nice and the fencing surrounding the property yeah you could use pvc uh no i was thinking about cedar or for um white pine yeah something like that yeah i i would prefer the pvc if you can it's much easier to maintain easier to clean it is true it may be more expensive but you know you don't touch it for true it just doesn't look great

but i couldn't i can yeah just go over that yeah can you ignore me so i do have a again do i have a resolution to classify it as a type one action in secret uh for the board we can get secret coordination going wrap that up being that it's essentially almost all town agencies hopefully we can finish it up to coordination sooner than 30 days if we get responses we can move forward and get to a public hearing you have to contact the zba i will send it to the zba i'll prepare a denial letter for the applicant i'll send a confirmation letter to the the coordination materials with the denial to the zba good all right that's fine anything else man nope kenny you're good yeah uh yeah okay good luck we're gonna have a resolution on in a couple minutes so that's great good luck thank you very much okay at this point we're going to call for public comments on all resolutions any resolution resolution resolution

jim de luca 12 linda lane east riverhead uh i have a comment about that project just with the condo project i have no objections to the project but i do have an objections to give a variance on parking especially on second street if you ever visit second street during the weekend especially when the brewery is open the existing residents can't even park there you only have parking on one side of the street and you have people on the north side of street at right now filling up the whole entire south side of second street and the brewery also is expanded and i think think it's in violation of their site plan expanded their outside seating they don't allow limousines or buses into the public parking lot behind so they also park in the street so you're figuring 1.5 parking units per unit generally if you have in in most cases you have two people working do the math you don't have even enough parking with 1.5 per unit but if that's what the code says that's what the code says but to give a variance to new construction when it's and and if you go through the articles to grant the variance it's supposed to maintain the character and neighbor and not affect the rest of the properties around that will affect the rest of the properties around by having cars and other vehicles that are not in the area that are in the area that are in the space space space space space space space space space space space space space parking in the street also because there's not enough parking even on the interior to meet the code the way it is now and how are you going to avoid because there's people in construction on this on that park in that street now how are you going to avoid a tenant if he has a large van or some you're going to tell him you can't park in the parking lot you got to go park out in the street i mean it just doesn't make if it's a side yard variance it doesn't affect any anybody else it's a height variance it really doesn't affect anybody else but when you're taking parking that is supposed to be absorbed by the new construction and pushing it out in a public street where you have houses that have been there between 130 and 140 years and have been there and and because of the new establishments going in there's not enough parking there now and also you have runoff from parking from the aquarium that goes they don't want to pay the $15, and they're parking on the street. So I don't think the board should even consider a variance on parking, nor parking stall sizes. I mean, you have somebody that comes in with a dually truck that is working, you're going to tell them you can't park on the site? Where's he going to go? So, again, I have no objection to the parking, I mean, to the condos, but I do have an objection to pushing parking off on 2nd Street that should be contained on the site. And with one and a half per unit, that's really not enough. I mean, if you think about it, if you have two people working, you have 11 parking stalls in, what is it, eight or nine units? You just, the math doesn't work. So it's easy to rule on something when you don't live there. But I suggest during the season, just take a ride down 2nd Street and tell me what you see. 3rd Street with that other condominium is totally different. They don't park on 3rd Street. And there's double parking on both sides of the street. 2nd Street, there's only parking on the south side. Okay, thank you, Mr. DeLuca. I made some good points. We'll take them under advisement. The only action we are taking tonight is the SECRA. Okay. So we can still further discuss that. Any other comments on resolutions? Nope. All right, gentlemen. I move Resolution 2024-029 to 2nd Street Townhomes. Classify an action requesting lead agency. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Gentlemen, may we have a vote? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nenaro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. We can open it up now to public comments on any matter.

Somebody want to run the minutes? I'll move the minutes of March 7th. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? And I vote aye. Any other business, staff, board members? Legal? Everybody's good? Okay. Okay. Next meeting will be Thursday, April 18th at 3 p.m. We hope to see you there. Motion to adjourn. Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? Aye. Have a nice weekend, everybody. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.