April 18, 2024 — Planning Board

Planning Board Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
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1:36Thank you.
1:36We have no public hearings tonight, so we're going to go right into discussion items.
1:42505 Lincoln Street Mixed Use Site Plan with Heather Trojanowski.
1:48Good afternoon.
1:49Good afternoon, everyone.
1:51I believe we have the applicant and their representatives here.
1:55And if everyone could just state their names for the record.
1:59Kimberly Judge.
2:00Kimberly Judge.
2:00737 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, New York, for the applicant.
2:04Jim Matuszewski, 510 Fletcher Drive, Riverhead, New York.
2:09Martin Sonowski, 215 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead.
2:12Hello, everybody.
2:14All right, so the planning department has received and reviewed a site plan application
2:19seeking approval to convert an existing warehouse building to a mixed-use building
2:23with nine apartments on the second floor and an entry lobby, laundry room,
2:27and commercial uses on the first floor,
2:29which will include retail and art studio and then warehousing and storage.
2:34Site improvements include lighting, landscaping, drainage and paving.
2:38And subject parcel is located at 505 Lincoln Street,
2:43identified as Suffolk County tax net number 600-128-1-4.
2:49And it's currently approved with a 7,737 square-foot building.
2:53And the site has a total area of approximately 13,056 square feet.
2:58And the site has a total area of approximately 13,056 square feet.
2:59It is within the Village Center Zoning Use District,
3:01so all of the proposed uses are permitted under that zoning.
3:05Surrounding uses include residential
3:07on the north side of Lincoln.
3:09The Long Island Railroad is to the south,
3:11and there's a warehouse on the adjacent parcel to the east.
3:14If everyone is familiar with the area,
3:15the Polish Hall is directly across
3:17Sweezy Avenue to the northwest.
3:20And I just included some site history in my staff report.
3:24According to New York State Department of Parks,
3:27Recreation, and Historic Preservation,
3:29this was originally called the Long Island Potato Exchange,
3:34and I did include a brief history
3:36of the parcel and its uses.
3:39The last known use, I believe,
3:41was for a contractor's warehouse,
3:44and then it was sold, and the applicant is proposing
3:47to alter to do the apartments
3:50and the mixed use on the ground floor.
3:53So just to skip to, I think,
3:55one of the most important aspects of the site
3:57plan application is parking.
4:00Again, if you're all familiar with the site,
4:02there's really no place to park on the subject parcel.
4:05I believe most people probably have parked historically
4:07along Lincoln Street.
4:10And the cumulative uses, the total required parking,
4:14based on the square footages, would be 30 stalls,
4:17pursuant to town code.
4:20When the applicant originally made this application,
4:22it was back in 2022, and they had proposed to take a 20%
4:27reduction per town code 30162 ,
4:32which would be permitted, where credible evidence
4:35is provided by a licensed traffic engineer,
4:39just to demonstrate that the peak parking
4:40for the different uses doesn't occur at the same time.
4:45And they also, so they had taken that reduction,
4:47and they were going to provide off-site parking.
4:49At the time of the application being submitted,
4:52that site was not identified.
4:53I know the owner of the property was working on finding,
4:57off-site parking that would satisfy the parking requirement.
5:02Town code does permit you to do that,
5:04but it has to be within 200 feet of the subject parcel.
5:08I could let the applicant sort of give a brief history on that
5:11and how we got to where we are today.
5:14Or if Marty wants to, or Kim.
5:16Okay, hi, Kim Judd.
5:19The applicant has a site at 817 Pulaski
5:25with an approved site plan, and with,
5:27and plenty of parking spaces.
5:30Ideally, what he wanted to do,
5:32what the applicant wanted to do was to work out
5:36an off-street parking arrangement with Polish Hall.
5:39They are agreeable to doing that,
5:43but there's a lot of logistical things
5:45that have to happen first, such as a survey.
5:48The board, the Polish Hall board has to approve it.
5:52The parking lot would have to be repaved.
5:55I don't know if you've been there lately,
5:57but it's in rough shape.
5:59So there's a lot of repairs that have to be made.
6:02Ultimately, I think what we would like to do
6:06is have the off-street parking for this site
6:11at Polish Hall, it's right across the street.
6:13That is the ideal situation.
6:15And they are amenable to doing that,
6:17and my client has talked to them.
6:19But for right now, because there's so many things
6:22that we have to work out as far as getting a plan together,
6:25the survey.
6:00They haven't done a survey yet, so I don't think they're going to do that.
6:25But they're going to do a survey.
6:25They're going to do a survey.
6:25They're going to do a survey.
6:25They're going to do a survey.
6:25They're going to do a survey.
6:25They're going to do a survey.
6:25They're going to do a survey.
6:26They haven't done a survey in recent years.
6:29I know they came in for a subdivision.
6:30But they were also in, excuse me,
6:32they were also in litigation with someone in the back
6:36of their facility, which tied it up for a long time.
6:39So they had some issues that they had to square away
6:42before they would grant us the permission to park there.
6:45So we're waiting on that, and that will be the ultimate goal,
6:49because we want to provide closer parking for the building.
6:53You know, obviously make it more rentable
6:55to have the parking space.
6:55You know, obviously make it more rentable to have the parking space.
6:56You know, obviously make it more rentable to have the parking space.
6:57So we're going to be building a lot more parking space
6:58on the parking course street rather than 600 feet away.
6:59Where is your other property?
7:01817 Pulaski, from the Quonset hut on Pulaski Street.
7:06The Long Island Brewery.
7:08The Long Island Brewery property.
7:09And where we're building currently in process
7:11of building a storage facility in the back.
7:14So they have plenty of additional parking.
7:16They've got an approved site plan.
7:18They've got formalized parking spots there.
7:21So that is the goal for right now until we can get things squared away.
7:25We're going to apply to the zoning board to use the off street parking
7:30at the 817 Pulaski site.
7:32And just to dovetail into that, so the design professional did provide
7:36a shared parking utilization plan that showed the distance
7:40from where they're proposing to utilize the 30 stalls at 817 Pulaski.
7:46And that's the same parking space that we're going to be using
7:49for the 817 Pulaski site.
7:51So that's the same parking space that we're going to be using
7:53for the 817 Pulaski site.
7:55And, you know, there are two distances that are shown on the plan
8:00that I provided the board.
8:02One is sort of as the crow flies.
8:04So it crosses through the Polish Hole parking lot.
8:07And, you know, this will be before the zoning board.
8:10So if they were to grant this any conditions,
8:13I'd imagine they'd want some sort of easement, you know,
8:16guaranteeing that pedestrians will be able to cross that site
8:20since the applicant doesn't own it in order to get to 505 Lincoln.
8:23But should that not occur,
8:25you know, for in any case if the Polish Hole were not to allow access,
8:31we'd want to make sure that the zoning board is reviewing the,
8:34you know, distance going along the public right of ways.
8:38So there are sidewalks near the corner of Marcy and Pulaski
8:43and then along Pulaski Street and down Sweezy.
8:47And that distance is, I think, a little over 800 feet.
8:50So we'll have to bring this before the zoning board.
8:53And the denial letter, I feel, should be based on the zoning board.
8:55It should be based off of the longest distance.
8:58Obviously, the applicant and their representatives can make the case
9:02to the zoning board.
9:03But they'll be needing relief from Chapter 301, 231H of the Town Code
9:08because if you're going to utilize offsite parking,
9:11it needs to be within 200 feet.
9:13Right. It says 630 feet.
9:15That's only to the property line.
9:17It's probably closer to 700 feet to a stall.
9:21Yeah, that's going across the Polish Hole lot.
9:23And if you look, there is another line.
9:25It's kind of faint because of the way it printed out
9:28that runs along Pulaski Street.
9:29But the little box says that the total proposed travel path,
9:34if you were to go along the street lines,
9:36is plus or minus 876 feet.
9:40I don't know what kind of business plan that's going to be
9:41to have retail stores on the bottom with no parking
9:44and your closest stall is 700 feet away.
9:50I can only say that Farm Country Kitchen got a variance for $575.
9:55That's what we're close to.
9:58And that's going across a busy highway at Farm Country Kitchen.
10:00It is.
10:01That's a bad model because the illegal parking going
10:03on there is out of control.
10:04And someone's going to get run over there.
10:06It's terrible.
10:07And he has a sign at his other business that's not even
10:10on his approved site plan at his art gallery there or whatever.
10:14And very few people use that lot for parking.
10:19I just went by it today.
10:20People are backing out in the street.
10:23That created a situation that I didn't vote for.
10:25It doesn't matter.
10:25I don't think we're going to be able to do it
10:26at that time either.
10:27One other challenge that we have is when we originally submitted
10:30the site plan, we indicated improving the south side
10:34of Lincoln Street in front of the property that allowed us
10:37to have stalls, public stalls.
10:41Based on the review, and I believe this came
10:43through the fire marshal, they want to have a no parking zone
10:46in front of the building in Striper Yellow.
10:48So instead of us improving it,
10:50we actually were pulling the curb more onto the property
10:53and the sidewalk onto the property to allow
10:55nice organized parking along the street with handicap cuts
10:58and all that.
10:59Now we had to push the curb right out to the line.
11:02You can't use town parking.
11:03You can't use .
11:04Yeah, right.
11:04No, I know.
11:05But I was just talking from a more logistical point of view
11:08that there is parking there now that people
11:11were utilizing on the street.
11:14But that's going to go away.
11:16The parking on the sidewalk is what they're doing.
11:18They're parking on Lincoln.
11:19They're parking on the other side road.
11:22What's the name of the side road?
11:23Hamilton.
11:24Hamilton.
11:24Hamilton.
11:25Hamilton.
11:26Yeah, I did speak to Mike Zaleski,
11:28the superintendent of highway.
11:30And he doesn't believe there are any parking restrictions
11:32along Lincoln Street.
11:33So I mean, you know, people will park there
11:35to be proximate to the building.
11:36But like you said, pursuant to town code,
11:39I think it's 301, 231 I, land provided by the town of
11:42Riverhead that includes the town roads can't be utilized
11:46in the parking calculation.
11:47Right, and if the fire marshal's going to have it
11:49striped, you're not even going to have those.
11:50Right.
11:51But Mike did mention that he would be fine with the proposal
11:55of the city's performance in the city of Hamilton.
11:58He said that there are some performance improvements,
12:00you know, the crosswalks and the sidewalks that they're
12:02looking to add in should the off-site parking be allowed.
12:06Obviously, you know, permits would be needed.
12:08But he said he was fine with that from a highway standpoint.
12:13Just another thing that I wanted to bring up.
12:15So the ADA parking and accessibility pursuant to town
12:20code 301, 231 M1, our town code bases the number of accessible
12:25whereas ADA standards based the number of accessible stalls on the number of
12:31parking provided so it's a difference between two and one so I know that they
12:38demonstrated that they could provide all 30 stalls at the 817 site but in doing
12:44that they would need a minimum of two accessible stalls both per Town Code and
12:49per ADA you know Town Code you can appeal to the Zoning Board for relief I
12:54don't know how it works with ADA so I mean if you were to try and take the 20%
13:00reduction you would only need one stall and then again you could still apply to
13:05the Zoning Board for relief from the two stall requirements that's just something
13:08that I've been sort of wrestling with because it's an odd situation there
13:13really is no room on the site they were able to squeeze one accessible stall in
13:18on the western portion of the property where they're proposing to demolish that
13:23small 78
13:24square foot 75 square foot space but there's no other feasible spot to put an
13:30accessible stall on the site just based on you know the existing building when
13:34do you expect to have an agreement with Polish Hall as far as that he's both
13:39Polish Hall it has agreed that they will allow us to do that and it's just what us
13:44working out the terms for that you know what would I do for that obviously I've
13:48been a parking lot and it's in disrepair right now but in the meantime you know
13:54there's a lot of
13:54legwork that had to be done so I said Kim let's continue because I have 64
13:59extra spots additional spots over my parking requirements at 817 which are not
14:05going to be utilized at all and I believe the building the terms of the of
14:11the sale of the building to the south of Polish Hall which is on their property I
14:15believe one of the conditions was that that lot has to remain open that they
14:20can't block it off both the new owner and Polish Hall Greg can you speak to
14:24that yeah so that was a silverback holdings as the border recall is
14:28probably last year the old building was Googie and Gus's flooring back in the
14:34day they did a two lot minor subdivision one of the requirements of that
14:39subdivision approval was that they need to file a shared cross-access and parking
14:44agreement and the agreement that there will never be any sort of physical
14:47impediment so it was it would still function as one parking lot so that was
14:52a part of that approval for that subdivision which still
14:54has not been finalized or signed by the chairman.
14:59Right, and keep in mind that St. Isra's,
15:03the funeral home, Polish Hall, and the town
15:06use our parking lot on a regular basis with,
15:12you know, no one's ever asked us to park there,
15:14but we allow everyone to park and utilize.
15:18I have people that live on Hamilton
15:20that are parking in front of the brewery right now.
15:23I asked, there's two cars that are always in the same spot.
15:26So it is kind of an unwritten rule for all of us there,
15:30Polish Hall, the church, and our lot,
15:32to keep it open at all times.
15:33Sunday Mass, our parking is completely full,
15:37all from the brewery, all the way around the Soul Cycle,
15:40all the way around into the front of our entrance
15:43on Marcy Avenue.
15:44So we do kind of respect other people's parking,
15:48and when Polish Hall has an event, they use our parking.
15:51If we need to use their parking,
15:53they do.
15:53They have no objection right now.
15:54It's kind of an unwritten rule for all of us there
15:57to share the parking.
15:58When there's funerals or weddings,
16:00they bump into Polish Hall.
16:02When that gets full, they bump onto the Marcy Avenue side.
16:05So we have an unwritten arrangement right now
16:09that seems to be working out very well for us.
16:12One of the setbacks was the sale through Silverback,
16:16whether they were going to close off that corner or not.
16:18And from what I understand, it is being left open, correct?
16:22I mean, it has to be.
16:23It's one of the conditions.
16:25Well, I appreciate the sentiment that everyone shares in the parking.
16:29If this goes to the zoning board
16:31and they grant the shared parking utilization plan,
16:34I'd imagine that whatever stalls are going to be earmarked
16:38for the 505 Lincoln site,
16:39there'll have to be some sort of permanent easement
16:42guaranteeing that those stalls will be used for the proposed,
16:45you know, what you're proposing at the Lincoln Street site.
16:49So it's just something to keep in mind.
16:51Keep in mind, the Polish Hall is ultimately the best plan for us
16:55because it's close.
16:56Like you said, if somebody, you know, right now on the lower floor,
16:59we have an artist in there, and it's one car, it's one person.
17:03He parks on Lincoln.
17:05He's there maybe three days a week,
17:07and he rents the majority of the floor on the lower unit.
17:10And that's not going to change after the apartment's going.
17:14That will not change.
17:15So it's really one additional car lot plus however many cars
17:20for the nine apartments.
17:20But ultimately, the distance from Polish Hall would be the best plan for us.
17:27But we're trying to get moving because of the length of time that it takes,
17:31and there's still a lot of legwork for us to do.
17:33And until we can work it out with Polish Hall,
17:35we wanted to try to move forward with the 817 Pulaski lot.
17:41So I guess we're going to get a denial letter.
17:43Yes.
17:44And then send it to the Zoning Board of Appeals.
17:46I mean, it doesn't change the fact that the proposed action is type 2
17:49pursuant to secrecy.
17:50Really, it just changes the fact that there are 19 friendships
17:53in the apartment space.
17:54Really, there are 19 friendships in the apartment space.
17:56else that's in my report, you know, park and recreation fees, should it go through, you
18:02know, it's $5,000 per residential unit.
18:05And I just wanted to make a note, 301-309 is not the correct section of code.
18:10It's 301-304.
18:11We had a little hiccup in our E-code where all of the numbers were wrong.
18:16That's since been fixed.
18:17So I just wanted to make a note of that.
18:19But really, all of the other sort of details in my staff report, including landscaping,
18:24and comments from the engineer, would be worked out after they go to the zoning board.
18:29Because the, you know, the project is really predicated on whether or not the zoning board
18:35would grant the relief being requested and what the conditions of such would be at this
18:39point.
18:40Now, Heather, what's the total 30 parking spots are required for this project?
18:45Yes.
18:46Based on all of the different uses and the square footages, it was calculated a total
18:50of 30 would be required.
18:52I mean, if they utilize the section of...
18:54If you have a town code that allows you that 20% reduction where a licensed traffic engineer
18:58could demonstrate that all of those uses are not using parking at the same time, I think
19:05the total number of spaces would be 24.
19:10Because, Kim, I know the area.
19:13And, Marty, there's no parking there whatsoever.
19:16And I called Greg, and the Polish Hole would be the perfect spot.
19:20I mean, that's relatively close to where...
19:23If you have groceries...
19:24You don't mind walking that far.
19:27But, like Greg says, you need an easement.
19:29And I would never vote yes on 600 or 700 feet walk.
19:34You're not going to walk that, especially if you have a small child or if you have groceries
19:38or whatever.
19:38That's a tough walk.
19:39And that's in good weather.
19:42So, at this point, we would have to issue a denial letter, and they would go before the
19:46zoning board.
19:47My biggest question to the planning board is, you know, are we going to go by the longer
19:52distance where the pedestrians are going to be able to walk?
19:52Are we going to go by the longer distance where the pedestrians are going to be able
19:54to walk?
19:54Are we going to make sure that the pedestrians would be traversing along Pulaski, down Sweezy,
19:59them crossing through the polish hall lot i don't know how you can do that yeah yeah so and that's
20:05what i had spoken with ann marie about she's counseled to the zoning board so i just want to
20:09you know everyone be on the same page that that's what they'll be going well he has written a letter
20:15uh the polo show has written a letter i gave you a copy of it that said they we have permission to
20:22have our tenants walk across their property to to access to the lot so that would be a record because
20:28i didn't see yeah i mean we haven't even had a public hearing yet so but she has i could provide
20:33you with copies are you saying that if you get the agreement from polish hall that you can park there
20:42yeah or you can get access there oh we could park there we we can get access or park whatever letter
20:47we need uh well there's a big difference between the distances yeah yeah but keep in mind uh with
20:53non-departments and and yes we need the required parking of 24 but
20:59hamilton street sweezy people park on it now and some of those people will be parking on those
21:07roads i mean there's no you can't think that they're not going to park directly across the
21:12street from the park of the building where there is overnight parking and there is parking and to
21:18say that they're not but you say you have 600 feet with a baby no kidding but you know there's also
21:23spots directly across the street right but there's no guarantee that those spots will always work
21:28for a time to be open right and i don't disagree with that argument but you can't just throw the
21:35code out the window and say here we have to increase that's why we're really pushing to
21:39get poles whole because we can uh we can meet the requirement the statute and then parking like i
21:46said it is an open parking area that we all kind of share and i think that would be the best application
21:52for us for sure yeah the idea initially was to have them come in for an administrative site plan to
21:57improve the Polish Hall lot and then move forward with this application. They
22:01still would have needed relief from 301-231H because Polish Hall, even though
22:05it's a commercial structure, is within a residential district. The zoning is RA40
22:10and that section of code actually doesn't allow the parking spots to be
22:15located in any residence district and we all, you know, knew that but again because
22:19it's taken such a long time the applicant has decided to go forward with
22:23this plan. Okay. Any other comments besides the parking? One question. What are you going in front of the zoning board for? For the distance. Oh, to allow that. I saw around the plan that one of the units was over by like 500 square feet. Wasn't there a requirement of 600?
22:50Oh, not in this. Are you thinking the accessory apartment code?
22:53Yeah, that is accessory apartment is 600. Yeah, I don't think there's a... There's size restrictions on apartments. I know in the DC-1 zoning district but I don't believe there are... In Village Center. I'll double check. I don't think there's any requirements in Village Center. Yeah, I went through the Village Center code sections. I didn't see a minimum floor area in Village Center. As long as I meet the minimum requirements for building code as far as room sizes and egress are concerned.
23:18Okay. Nobody has any other questions?
23:22Well,
23:23if you're going to get the... If you do get it from the zoning board, what you're looking for, is there any kind of lighting that you'd provide for people walking that distance in the evenings?
23:34I mean, I think the zoning board, that would be a consideration when they, you know, weigh the benefits and the detriment to the neighborhood. If they were to grant it, I can't speak as to what they would condition. But if the planning board, you know, wanted additional lighting, that's something that we'd probably have to work out with highway and street lighting.
23:53I think if a, you know, young woman with small children coming home in the evening, you know...
23:59There is street light now, I think, on the pole in front of the building. And it would depend on what was done at the pole. So our new parking lot that we're putting in now...
24:08Right.
24:08Yeah, it's very well lit.
24:11Okay. Well, I'm just talking about, you know, where it's lit the entire distance, you know, that there's no dark spots because it is quite a distance.
24:20Right.
24:23Anything else, gentlemen?
24:25All right.
24:26Okay. Thank you, Heather.
24:27I just wanted to introduce it to the board and get the ball rolling.
24:29Okay.
24:29Thank you.
24:30You're welcome.
24:30Thanks, Heather.
24:34All right. Moving right along.
24:37Comprehensive plan update with Matt Chardish.
24:40An update on the update.
24:51It's sort of an all-hands-on-deck situation.
24:53Just to give the board an update of where we're at and where we're going with the comp plan.
24:57I know everyone, at least the public, I get a lot of questions to where we are.
25:02Somewhat of a lengthy project.
25:03I know COVID kind of put a little slowdown on that, but we are right on schedule.
25:08I gave you guys a staff report that kind of summarizes everything just now, so I'm going to go through that with you.
25:13Touches on basically the highlights, what we've done, and where we're going and what you guys should expect going forward.
25:19So the first section kind of deals with a time frame.
25:22As you know...
25:23We had an original consultant, but in 2022 we moved on to BFJ.
25:27Getting a much better product out of them.
25:29I think everyone in the department is very happy with the work that has been done so far.
25:34So they've worked to kind of assemble everything, get new information.
25:38The planning board remembers in March of last year, I think they came to this board and all other boards with a questionnaire on what we're looking for in the plan.
25:46And then moving to the town board.
25:48Then we started to go through the secret process.
25:50So in July of last year, we classified this as a secret.
25:53Type 1.
25:54Moving on into November, the town board did assume lead agency and issued a POSDEC and accepted the draft scope on the comp plan.
26:02In December was what was first the steering committee public hearing.
26:06So that took a lot of public input.
26:08Had a public hearing on the draft so far.
26:11And then since January, we've been reviewing draft chapters and recently reviewing the DGIS.
26:18So moving on from there, on page 2, you can see 13 chapters.
26:23The most relevant for this board is going to be future land use.
26:27All good stuff, I think, is coming our way.
26:30So I added some highlighted sections of what I think is good, what's changing, what's coming for you.
26:37So in terms of industrial areas, I'm going to be looking at a new industrial zone.
26:43So this will be Calvert Industrial.
26:45So this is the old Industrial A, Industrial C will become one district.
26:50Are they including industrial on the north side of 25?
26:56As of now, yes.
26:57Really?
26:58That's my next section.
26:59I'm sorry.
26:59That's okay.
27:01So the FAR in the new CI district will be reduced.
27:05Well, that's the recommendation from .4 to .25.
27:07But still have the ability to go to .3 with the use of TDR.
27:10So we wanted to make sure in the plan that there's a better market for TDRs.
27:15So our recommendation is industrial zones is probably a good place to land them.
27:19That's where people are needing.
27:20Additional height, stuff like that.
27:22All in all, coverages are going to be down in that zone.
27:26They will be able to do increased height.
27:29Right now, it's limited to 30.
27:30It's proposed to go to 40, but using pyramid law.
27:33So basically, if you wanted to go up to 40, A, you'd have to use TDRs.
27:36But then the building would have to be set back further back from the road.
27:40So the idea that the further back you get, the less of a visual impact you're going to have,
27:45along with buffering requirements, stuff like that.
27:48The next section, so this will be industrial areas outside of the Calverton Industrial District,
27:55which is, you know, Ed, you brought up.
27:57So this is north of 25.
27:58This would be, oh, yeah, so light industrial.
28:02So a little bit more, less intense, more, we're thinking like special trade contractor uses,
28:07stuff like that, storage, not as heavily as industrial zone would actually prohibit any
28:13of the heavy industrial uses that we currently see.
28:16And again, similar.
28:17So the coverages.
28:18So the F.A.R., that's all going to drop in this new zone should it be adopted.
28:23Moving on to number three, we have TDR recommendations.
28:27We're going to change the TDR formulas in certain areas.
28:30New sending areas, RB80 and RA80 will be added as sending areas.
28:34They're currently only receiving areas.
28:36With the idea is there's a lot of farmland in these areas that's worthy of preservation.
28:40So why not make it a sending area as well?
28:43There'll be, there's a proposal for an assisted living overlay zone.
28:47So this will be bounded by.
28:48Route 58, middle road, Northville Turnpike and Osborne Avenue.
28:53A developer, if they did come in for assisted living, they'd have to utilize TDRs and would
28:58have a lot coverage not to exceed 30% even with TDRs.
29:02And then on 58, really just to make it look better.
29:07So we want to see better landscaping, more walkability, probably reducing parking requirements
29:13because our parking requirements are pretty high.
29:15If you notice, we have, you know, in some of these older developments like Home Depot,
29:17we have a lot of parking requirements.
29:18There's a sea of asphalt.
29:19I don't think anybody wants to see that.
29:20Those parking lots are never full.
29:21And then on to the last page, hamlet areas, just to incorporate design guidelines into
29:22those areas, just so we have like a look and feel for each one of our hamlets.
29:23And it'll, you know, it makes our job easier, it makes developers' jobs easier.
29:24We want to make sure any kind of commercial that's coming into these hamlet areas is going
29:25to really mesh with like the vernacular of the area.
29:26So we don't want any weird buildings that don't really make sense for our smaller commercial
29:27areas.
29:28So we're going to have to make sure that we're not just going to have to have a lot of
29:29construction.
29:30We're going to have to have a lot of construction.
29:31We're going to have to have a lot of construction.
29:32We're going to have to have a lot of construction.
29:33And then in terms of code cleanup, we're looking to add a use table.
29:34So we actually have a better definition of what uses are allowed in each zoning use district.
29:35So again, it makes things easier for us and developers.
29:36And that's pretty much it.
29:37So we're going to have to make sure that we have a good use table.
29:38And then on to the last page, we have a lot of construction.
29:39We want to incorporate design guidelines into those areas.
29:40So we have a lot of construction.
29:41We want to make sure that we're not just going to have a look and feel for each one
29:42of our hamlets.
29:43And it'll, you know, it makes our job easier, it makes developers' jobs easier.
29:44We want to make sure any kind of commercial that's coming into these hamlet areas is going
29:45to really mesh with like the vernacular of the area.
29:46So if there's a chunk of space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space
29:48in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there,
29:52if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's
29:55space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space
29:56in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there,
29:57if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's
29:58space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space
29:59in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there,
30:00developers that's pretty much it so going forward all the work we've done
30:05so far all the draft chapters they're up there on the town's comprehensive plan
30:09website the town board very shortly is going to be getting the DG is and the
30:15and the draft plan once the DG is is accepted it's going to go out to
30:19interested agencies the planning board is an interested agency so probably
30:23behoove the board to review those documents what does trend into
30:26transmitted and come up with some comments on the appropriateness or
30:30anything that needs to be changed so that'll be in the next couple weeks
30:32there's an approximate ending date August it's my last point so we're right
30:38we're right on schedule yeah FDG is the finding statement on the cop plan
30:44adoption of the end of a great in August of this year Matt quick question on all
30:51that extra parking that you have in front of Tanger Home Depot are you guys
30:56going to do that or not?
30:56to allow maybe a small business maybe a satellite or something I mean it would
31:00depend so they'd have to demonstrate whatever we so where would take up so
31:05the parking would be there but just to bring everyone up to speed so the cop
31:08plan is gonna be a broad policy document with recommendations to change code to
31:13change policies in the town so after we adopt the plan then like the really fun
31:16work happens of adopting all the code changes so one of the code changes we
31:20probably need to change parking requirements and make them less you know
31:23less burdensome in those areas so if they
31:26could meet the new parking requirements and yeah I think and coverage
31:29requirements they could do pad sites and stuff like that okay did you say the DGIS
31:36would would be out and finished by August the plan the fun everything
31:44everything's gonna be done at the same time and the DG the draft the DG is will
31:49be done in the next few weeks so the town board is gonna get that okay and once it's accepted it's a very
31:56like yeah timeline down by secret by secret adoption policies for complains
32:02in town law that's it it's it's coming to a close I think which is everybody's
32:06very excited about a lot of good stuff so that's kind of what's happening in
32:10the background you guys have any questions keep at it
32:19no good good taking up a lot of our time lately it's been a lot of fun I think
32:26All right, at this point we're going to have public comments on resolutions.
32:33Not too many takers today.
32:37Okay, let's go right into resolutions.
32:39Okay, I'll move resolution number 24, I'm sorry, 030.
32:45Granting approval for preliminary plat on printed places.
32:5025 lot major subdivision.
32:54So moved.
32:56Okay, we have moved and seconded.
32:58May we have a vote, please?
33:00Mr. Zelnicki?
33:00Yes.
33:01Mr. Hogan?
33:02Yes.
33:03Mr. Baer?
33:03Yes.
33:04I vote yes.
33:05The motion is carried.
33:08Resolution number 2024, 031, Northville Acres Minor Subdivision.
33:12Resolution granting approval for a two lot minor subdivision application
33:16seeking to subdivide the existing 4.22 acre parcel of land.
33:23So moved.
33:24Second.
33:25Good.
33:25Moved and seconded.
33:26May we have a vote, please?
33:28Mr. Zelnicki?
33:29Yes.
33:29Mr. Hogan?
33:30Yes.
33:30Mr. Baer?
33:31Yes.
33:31I vote yes.
33:32Motion carries.
33:33Resolution 2024, 032, Damaris Farm Minor Subdivision.
33:38Resolution granting approval for a minor subdivision application and approval to subdivide two existing parcels and create four buildable single family residences.
33:49Second.
33:50Moved and seconded.
33:51May we have a vote, please?
33:52Mr. Zelnicki?
33:53Yes.
33:54Mr. Hogan?
33:54Yes.
33:55Mr. Baer?
33:56Yes.
33:56I vote yes.
33:57The motion carries.
34:01Resolution number 2024, 033, Terravite Winery and Vineyard Residence Tasting Room Conversion.
34:08Resolution granting approval for the site plan application seeking approval to convert an existing single family residence.
34:15So moved.
34:16Second.
34:17Moved and seconded.
34:18Gentlemen, may we have a vote?
34:20Mr. Zelnicki?
34:20Yes.
34:21Mr. Hogan?
34:21Yes.
34:22Mr. Baer?
34:23Yes.
34:23And I vote yes.
34:25Motion carries.
34:26Second.
34:26At this time, public comments on all matters.
34:33Okay.
34:34Can somebody move the minutes of the...
34:36Move the minutes of March 21st.
34:38Second.
34:39Moved and seconded.
34:40May we have a vote?
34:41All in favor?
34:42Aye.
34:42Aye.
34:43All opposed?
34:45On another note, on other business, I came up with something.
34:49I don't want to discuss it tonight because my colleagues and staff haven't seen it yet.
34:53I'm going to pass you down.
34:56Copy.
34:58STAFF, I HAVE THEM FOR YOU TOO.
35:04THANK YOU.
35:05THANK YOU.
35:06THE THOUGHT IS TO PUT THIS ON AS A DISCUSSION ITEM AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
35:14THE ISSUE WOULD BE ONE-WAY TRAFFIC ON SECOND AND THIRD STREETS.
35:18THE POSSIBLE BENEFITS COULD BE REDUCING CONGESTION ON SECOND STREET, INCREASED PARKING BY ADDING
35:24ON-STREET PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ON SECOND STREET AND THIRD STREET.
35:29IF THE BOARD WOULD DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR A COURSE OF
35:35ACTION, IT WILL BE THE PLANNING BOARD AGREES AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR RESOLUTION
35:42RECOMMENDING THAT THEY HAVE A TRAFFIC AND SAFETY COMMITTEE STUDY THE ISSUE.
35:46SO NOTHING, NOT A BIG DEAL.
35:47JUST A QUESTION.
35:48ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAY ALONG?
35:51JUST THAT ONE BLOCK?
35:52YEAH.
35:53I THINK TRAFFIC ENGINEERS CAN DO MUCH BETTER THAN ME, BUT I THOUGHT AT A MINIMUM THIS WAY
35:58AND THAT WAY BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS A TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND A PARKING ISSUE THERE.
36:02NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
36:05BUT TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, HASH IT UP.
36:07YOU KNOW, NEXT MEETING WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK.
36:12GOT IT.
36:13THANK YOU.
36:14THE NEXT MEETING DATE IS THURSDAY, MAY 2ND AT 6 O'CLOCK.
36:17HOPE YOU CAN ALL MAKE IT.
36:18STAFF, AS USUAL, HAVE A GREAT DAY.
36:19BOARD MEMBERS.
36:20YEP.
36:21THANK YOU.
36:22ALL RIGHT.
36:23MOTION TO CLOSE, SOMEBODY?
36:24AYE.
36:25SECOND.
36:26MOVED AND SECONDED.
36:27I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.
36:28OKAY.
36:29MOVED AND SECONDED.
36:30ALL IN FAVOR?
36:31AYE.
36:32ALL OPPOSED?
36:33HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND, EVERYBODY.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We have no public hearings tonight, so we're going to go right into discussion items. 505 Lincoln Street Mixed Use Site Plan with Heather Trojanowski. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, everyone. I believe we have the applicant and their representatives here. And if everyone could just state their names for the record. Kimberly Judge. Kimberly Judge. 737 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, New York, for the applicant. Jim Matuszewski, 510 Fletcher Drive, Riverhead, New York. Martin Sonowski, 215 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead. Hello, everybody. All right, so the planning department has received and reviewed a site plan application seeking approval to convert an existing warehouse building to a mixed-use building with nine apartments on the second floor and an entry lobby, laundry room, and commercial uses on the first floor, which will include retail and art studio and then warehousing and storage. Site improvements include lighting, landscaping, drainage and paving. And subject parcel is located at 505 Lincoln Street, identified as Suffolk County tax net number 600-128-1-4. And it's currently approved with a 7,737 square-foot building. And the site has a total area of approximately 13,056 square feet. And the site has a total area of approximately 13,056 square feet. It is within the Village Center Zoning Use District, so all of the proposed uses are permitted under that zoning. Surrounding uses include residential on the north side of Lincoln. The Long Island Railroad is to the south, and there's a warehouse on the adjacent parcel to the east. If everyone is familiar with the area, the Polish Hall is directly across Sweezy Avenue to the northwest. And I just included some site history in my staff report. According to New York State Department of Parks, Recreation, and Historic Preservation, this was originally called the Long Island Potato Exchange, and I did include a brief history of the parcel and its uses. The last known use, I believe, was for a contractor's warehouse, and then it was sold, and the applicant is proposing to alter to do the apartments and the mixed use on the ground floor. So just to skip to, I think, one of the most important aspects of the site plan application is parking. Again, if you're all familiar with the site, there's really no place to park on the subject parcel. I believe most people probably have parked historically along Lincoln Street. And the cumulative uses, the total required parking, based on the square footages, would be 30 stalls, pursuant to town code. When the applicant originally made this application, it was back in 2022, and they had proposed to take a 20% reduction per town code 30162 , which would be permitted, where credible evidence is provided by a licensed traffic engineer, just to demonstrate that the peak parking for the different uses doesn't occur at the same time. And they also, so they had taken that reduction, and they were going to provide off-site parking. At the time of the application being submitted, that site was not identified. I know the owner of the property was working on finding, off-site parking that would satisfy the parking requirement. Town code does permit you to do that, but it has to be within 200 feet of the subject parcel. I could let the applicant sort of give a brief history on that and how we got to where we are today. Or if Marty wants to, or Kim. Okay, hi, Kim Judd. The applicant has a site at 817 Pulaski with an approved site plan, and with, and plenty of parking spaces. Ideally, what he wanted to do, what the applicant wanted to do was to work out an off-street parking arrangement with Polish Hall. They are agreeable to doing that, but there's a lot of logistical things that have to happen first, such as a survey. The board, the Polish Hall board has to approve it. The parking lot would have to be repaved. I don't know if you've been there lately, but it's in rough shape. So there's a lot of repairs that have to be made. Ultimately, I think what we would like to do is have the off-street parking for this site at Polish Hall, it's right across the street. That is the ideal situation. And they are amenable to doing that, and my client has talked to them. But for right now, because there's so many things that we have to work out as far as getting a plan together, the survey. They haven't done a survey yet, so I don't think they're going to do that. But they're going to do a survey. They're going to do a survey. They're going to do a survey. They're going to do a survey. They're going to do a survey. They're going to do a survey. They're going to do a survey. They haven't done a survey in recent years. I know they came in for a subdivision. But they were also in, excuse me, they were also in litigation with someone in the back of their facility, which tied it up for a long time. So they had some issues that they had to square away before they would grant us the permission to park there. So we're waiting on that, and that will be the ultimate goal, because we want to provide closer parking for the building. You know, obviously make it more rentable to have the parking space. You know, obviously make it more rentable to have the parking space. You know, obviously make it more rentable to have the parking space. So we're going to be building a lot more parking space on the parking course street rather than 600 feet away. Where is your other property? 817 Pulaski, from the Quonset hut on Pulaski Street. The Long Island Brewery. The Long Island Brewery property. And where we're building currently in process of building a storage facility in the back. So they have plenty of additional parking. They've got an approved site plan. They've got formalized parking spots there. So that is the goal for right now until we can get things squared away. We're going to apply to the zoning board to use the off street parking at the 817 Pulaski site. And just to dovetail into that, so the design professional did provide a shared parking utilization plan that showed the distance from where they're proposing to utilize the 30 stalls at 817 Pulaski. And that's the same parking space that we're going to be using for the 817 Pulaski site. So that's the same parking space that we're going to be using for the 817 Pulaski site. And, you know, there are two distances that are shown on the plan that I provided the board. One is sort of as the crow flies. So it crosses through the Polish Hole parking lot. And, you know, this will be before the zoning board. So if they were to grant this any conditions, I'd imagine they'd want some sort of easement, you know, guaranteeing that pedestrians will be able to cross that site since the applicant doesn't own it in order to get to 505 Lincoln. But should that not occur, you know, for in any case if the Polish Hole were not to allow access, we'd want to make sure that the zoning board is reviewing the, you know, distance going along the public right of ways. So there are sidewalks near the corner of Marcy and Pulaski and then along Pulaski Street and down Sweezy. And that distance is, I think, a little over 800 feet. So we'll have to bring this before the zoning board. And the denial letter, I feel, should be based on the zoning board. It should be based off of the longest distance. Obviously, the applicant and their representatives can make the case to the zoning board. But they'll be needing relief from Chapter 301, 231H of the Town Code because if you're going to utilize offsite parking, it needs to be within 200 feet. Right. It says 630 feet. That's only to the property line. It's probably closer to 700 feet to a stall. Yeah, that's going across the Polish Hole lot. And if you look, there is another line. It's kind of faint because of the way it printed out that runs along Pulaski Street. But the little box says that the total proposed travel path, if you were to go along the street lines, is plus or minus 876 feet. I don't know what kind of business plan that's going to be to have retail stores on the bottom with no parking and your closest stall is 700 feet away. I can only say that Farm Country Kitchen got a variance for $575. That's what we're close to. And that's going across a busy highway at Farm Country Kitchen. It is. That's a bad model because the illegal parking going on there is out of control. And someone's going to get run over there. It's terrible. And he has a sign at his other business that's not even on his approved site plan at his art gallery there or whatever. And very few people use that lot for parking. I just went by it today. People are backing out in the street. That created a situation that I didn't vote for. It doesn't matter. I don't think we're going to be able to do it at that time either. One other challenge that we have is when we originally submitted the site plan, we indicated improving the south side of Lincoln Street in front of the property that allowed us to have stalls, public stalls. Based on the review, and I believe this came through the fire marshal, they want to have a no parking zone in front of the building in Striper Yellow. So instead of us improving it, we actually were pulling the curb more onto the property and the sidewalk onto the property to allow nice organized parking along the street with handicap cuts and all that. Now we had to push the curb right out to the line. You can't use town parking. You can't use . Yeah, right. No, I know. But I was just talking from a more logistical point of view that there is parking there now that people were utilizing on the street. But that's going to go away. The parking on the sidewalk is what they're doing. They're parking on Lincoln. They're parking on the other side road. What's the name of the side road? Hamilton. Hamilton. Hamilton. Hamilton. Yeah, I did speak to Mike Zaleski, the superintendent of highway. And he doesn't believe there are any parking restrictions along Lincoln Street. So I mean, you know, people will park there to be proximate to the building. But like you said, pursuant to town code, I think it's 301, 231 I, land provided by the town of Riverhead that includes the town roads can't be utilized in the parking calculation. Right, and if the fire marshal's going to have it striped, you're not even going to have those. Right. But Mike did mention that he would be fine with the proposal of the city's performance in the city of Hamilton. He said that there are some performance improvements, you know, the crosswalks and the sidewalks that they're looking to add in should the off-site parking be allowed. Obviously, you know, permits would be needed. But he said he was fine with that from a highway standpoint. Just another thing that I wanted to bring up. So the ADA parking and accessibility pursuant to town code 301, 231 M1, our town code bases the number of accessible whereas ADA standards based the number of accessible stalls on the number of parking provided so it's a difference between two and one so I know that they demonstrated that they could provide all 30 stalls at the 817 site but in doing that they would need a minimum of two accessible stalls both per Town Code and per ADA you know Town Code you can appeal to the Zoning Board for relief I don't know how it works with ADA so I mean if you were to try and take the 20% reduction you would only need one stall and then again you could still apply to the Zoning Board for relief from the two stall requirements that's just something that I've been sort of wrestling with because it's an odd situation there really is no room on the site they were able to squeeze one accessible stall in on the western portion of the property where they're proposing to demolish that small 78 square foot 75 square foot space but there's no other feasible spot to put an accessible stall on the site just based on you know the existing building when do you expect to have an agreement with Polish Hall as far as that he's both Polish Hall it has agreed that they will allow us to do that and it's just what us working out the terms for that you know what would I do for that obviously I've been a parking lot and it's in disrepair right now but in the meantime you know there's a lot of legwork that had to be done so I said Kim let's continue because I have 64 extra spots additional spots over my parking requirements at 817 which are not going to be utilized at all and I believe the building the terms of the of the sale of the building to the south of Polish Hall which is on their property I believe one of the conditions was that that lot has to remain open that they can't block it off both the new owner and Polish Hall Greg can you speak to that yeah so that was a silverback holdings as the border recall is probably last year the old building was Googie and Gus's flooring back in the day they did a two lot minor subdivision one of the requirements of that subdivision approval was that they need to file a shared cross-access and parking agreement and the agreement that there will never be any sort of physical impediment so it was it would still function as one parking lot so that was a part of that approval for that subdivision which still has not been finalized or signed by the chairman. Right, and keep in mind that St. Isra's, the funeral home, Polish Hall, and the town use our parking lot on a regular basis with, you know, no one's ever asked us to park there, but we allow everyone to park and utilize. I have people that live on Hamilton that are parking in front of the brewery right now. I asked, there's two cars that are always in the same spot. So it is kind of an unwritten rule for all of us there, Polish Hall, the church, and our lot, to keep it open at all times. Sunday Mass, our parking is completely full, all from the brewery, all the way around the Soul Cycle, all the way around into the front of our entrance on Marcy Avenue. So we do kind of respect other people's parking, and when Polish Hall has an event, they use our parking. If we need to use their parking, they do. They have no objection right now. It's kind of an unwritten rule for all of us there to share the parking. When there's funerals or weddings, they bump into Polish Hall. When that gets full, they bump onto the Marcy Avenue side. So we have an unwritten arrangement right now that seems to be working out very well for us. One of the setbacks was the sale through Silverback, whether they were going to close off that corner or not. And from what I understand, it is being left open, correct? I mean, it has to be. It's one of the conditions. Well, I appreciate the sentiment that everyone shares in the parking. If this goes to the zoning board and they grant the shared parking utilization plan, I'd imagine that whatever stalls are going to be earmarked for the 505 Lincoln site, there'll have to be some sort of permanent easement guaranteeing that those stalls will be used for the proposed, you know, what you're proposing at the Lincoln Street site. So it's just something to keep in mind. Keep in mind, the Polish Hall is ultimately the best plan for us because it's close. Like you said, if somebody, you know, right now on the lower floor, we have an artist in there, and it's one car, it's one person. He parks on Lincoln. He's there maybe three days a week, and he rents the majority of the floor on the lower unit. And that's not going to change after the apartment's going. That will not change. So it's really one additional car lot plus however many cars for the nine apartments. But ultimately, the distance from Polish Hall would be the best plan for us. But we're trying to get moving because of the length of time that it takes, and there's still a lot of legwork for us to do. And until we can work it out with Polish Hall, we wanted to try to move forward with the 817 Pulaski lot. So I guess we're going to get a denial letter. Yes. And then send it to the Zoning Board of Appeals. I mean, it doesn't change the fact that the proposed action is type 2 pursuant to secrecy. Really, it just changes the fact that there are 19 friendships in the apartment space. Really, there are 19 friendships in the apartment space. else that's in my report, you know, park and recreation fees, should it go through, you know, it's $5,000 per residential unit. And I just wanted to make a note, 301-309 is not the correct section of code. It's 301-304. We had a little hiccup in our E-code where all of the numbers were wrong. That's since been fixed. So I just wanted to make a note of that. But really, all of the other sort of details in my staff report, including landscaping, and comments from the engineer, would be worked out after they go to the zoning board. Because the, you know, the project is really predicated on whether or not the zoning board would grant the relief being requested and what the conditions of such would be at this point. Now, Heather, what's the total 30 parking spots are required for this project? Yes. Based on all of the different uses and the square footages, it was calculated a total of 30 would be required. I mean, if they utilize the section of... If you have a town code that allows you that 20% reduction where a licensed traffic engineer could demonstrate that all of those uses are not using parking at the same time, I think the total number of spaces would be 24. Because, Kim, I know the area. And, Marty, there's no parking there whatsoever. And I called Greg, and the Polish Hole would be the perfect spot. I mean, that's relatively close to where... If you have groceries... You don't mind walking that far. But, like Greg says, you need an easement. And I would never vote yes on 600 or 700 feet walk. You're not going to walk that, especially if you have a small child or if you have groceries or whatever. That's a tough walk. And that's in good weather. So, at this point, we would have to issue a denial letter, and they would go before the zoning board. My biggest question to the planning board is, you know, are we going to go by the longer distance where the pedestrians are going to be able to walk? Are we going to go by the longer distance where the pedestrians are going to be able to walk? Are we going to make sure that the pedestrians would be traversing along Pulaski, down Sweezy, them crossing through the polish hall lot i don't know how you can do that yeah yeah so and that's what i had spoken with ann marie about she's counseled to the zoning board so i just want to you know everyone be on the same page that that's what they'll be going well he has written a letter uh the polo show has written a letter i gave you a copy of it that said they we have permission to have our tenants walk across their property to to access to the lot so that would be a record because i didn't see yeah i mean we haven't even had a public hearing yet so but she has i could provide you with copies are you saying that if you get the agreement from polish hall that you can park there yeah or you can get access there oh we could park there we we can get access or park whatever letter we need uh well there's a big difference between the distances yeah yeah but keep in mind uh with non-departments and and yes we need the required parking of 24 but hamilton street sweezy people park on it now and some of those people will be parking on those roads i mean there's no you can't think that they're not going to park directly across the street from the park of the building where there is overnight parking and there is parking and to say that they're not but you say you have 600 feet with a baby no kidding but you know there's also spots directly across the street right but there's no guarantee that those spots will always work for a time to be open right and i don't disagree with that argument but you can't just throw the code out the window and say here we have to increase that's why we're really pushing to get poles whole because we can uh we can meet the requirement the statute and then parking like i said it is an open parking area that we all kind of share and i think that would be the best application for us for sure yeah the idea initially was to have them come in for an administrative site plan to improve the Polish Hall lot and then move forward with this application. They still would have needed relief from 301-231H because Polish Hall, even though it's a commercial structure, is within a residential district. The zoning is RA40 and that section of code actually doesn't allow the parking spots to be located in any residence district and we all, you know, knew that but again because it's taken such a long time the applicant has decided to go forward with this plan. Okay. Any other comments besides the parking? One question. What are you going in front of the zoning board for? For the distance. Oh, to allow that. I saw around the plan that one of the units was over by like 500 square feet. Wasn't there a requirement of 600? Oh, not in this. Are you thinking the accessory apartment code? Yeah, that is accessory apartment is 600. Yeah, I don't think there's a... There's size restrictions on apartments. I know in the DC-1 zoning district but I don't believe there are... In Village Center. I'll double check. I don't think there's any requirements in Village Center. Yeah, I went through the Village Center code sections. I didn't see a minimum floor area in Village Center. As long as I meet the minimum requirements for building code as far as room sizes and egress are concerned. Okay. Nobody has any other questions? Well, if you're going to get the... If you do get it from the zoning board, what you're looking for, is there any kind of lighting that you'd provide for people walking that distance in the evenings? I mean, I think the zoning board, that would be a consideration when they, you know, weigh the benefits and the detriment to the neighborhood. If they were to grant it, I can't speak as to what they would condition. But if the planning board, you know, wanted additional lighting, that's something that we'd probably have to work out with highway and street lighting. I think if a, you know, young woman with small children coming home in the evening, you know... There is street light now, I think, on the pole in front of the building. And it would depend on what was done at the pole. So our new parking lot that we're putting in now... Right. Yeah, it's very well lit. Okay. Well, I'm just talking about, you know, where it's lit the entire distance, you know, that there's no dark spots because it is quite a distance. Right. Anything else, gentlemen? No. All right. Okay. Thank you, Heather. I just wanted to introduce it to the board and get the ball rolling. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks, Heather. All right. Moving right along. Comprehensive plan update with Matt Chardish. An update on the update.

It's sort of an all-hands-on-deck situation. Just to give the board an update of where we're at and where we're going with the comp plan. I know everyone, at least the public, I get a lot of questions to where we are. Somewhat of a lengthy project. I know COVID kind of put a little slowdown on that, but we are right on schedule. I gave you guys a staff report that kind of summarizes everything just now, so I'm going to go through that with you. Touches on basically the highlights, what we've done, and where we're going and what you guys should expect going forward. So the first section kind of deals with a time frame. As you know... We had an original consultant, but in 2022 we moved on to BFJ. Getting a much better product out of them. I think everyone in the department is very happy with the work that has been done so far. So they've worked to kind of assemble everything, get new information. The planning board remembers in March of last year, I think they came to this board and all other boards with a questionnaire on what we're looking for in the plan. And then moving to the town board. Then we started to go through the secret process. So in July of last year, we classified this as a secret. Type 1. Moving on into November, the town board did assume lead agency and issued a POSDEC and accepted the draft scope on the comp plan. In December was what was first the steering committee public hearing. So that took a lot of public input. Had a public hearing on the draft so far. And then since January, we've been reviewing draft chapters and recently reviewing the DGIS. So moving on from there, on page 2, you can see 13 chapters. The most relevant for this board is going to be future land use. All good stuff, I think, is coming our way. So I added some highlighted sections of what I think is good, what's changing, what's coming for you. So in terms of industrial areas, I'm going to be looking at a new industrial zone. So this will be Calvert Industrial. So this is the old Industrial A, Industrial C will become one district. Are they including industrial on the north side of 25? As of now, yes. Really? That's my next section. I'm sorry. That's okay. So the FAR in the new CI district will be reduced. Well, that's the recommendation from .4 to .25. But still have the ability to go to .3 with the use of TDR. So we wanted to make sure in the plan that there's a better market for TDRs. So our recommendation is industrial zones is probably a good place to land them. That's where people are needing. Additional height, stuff like that. All in all, coverages are going to be down in that zone. They will be able to do increased height. Right now, it's limited to 30. It's proposed to go to 40, but using pyramid law. So basically, if you wanted to go up to 40, A, you'd have to use TDRs. But then the building would have to be set back further back from the road. So the idea that the further back you get, the less of a visual impact you're going to have, along with buffering requirements, stuff like that. The next section, so this will be industrial areas outside of the Calverton Industrial District, which is, you know, Ed, you brought up. So this is north of 25. This would be, oh, yeah, so light industrial. So a little bit more, less intense, more, we're thinking like special trade contractor uses, stuff like that, storage, not as heavily as industrial zone would actually prohibit any of the heavy industrial uses that we currently see. And again, similar. So the coverages. So the F.A.R., that's all going to drop in this new zone should it be adopted. Moving on to number three, we have TDR recommendations. We're going to change the TDR formulas in certain areas. New sending areas, RB80 and RA80 will be added as sending areas. They're currently only receiving areas. With the idea is there's a lot of farmland in these areas that's worthy of preservation. So why not make it a sending area as well? There'll be, there's a proposal for an assisted living overlay zone. So this will be bounded by. Route 58, middle road, Northville Turnpike and Osborne Avenue. A developer, if they did come in for assisted living, they'd have to utilize TDRs and would have a lot coverage not to exceed 30% even with TDRs. And then on 58, really just to make it look better. So we want to see better landscaping, more walkability, probably reducing parking requirements because our parking requirements are pretty high. If you notice, we have, you know, in some of these older developments like Home Depot, we have a lot of parking requirements. There's a sea of asphalt. I don't think anybody wants to see that. Those parking lots are never full. And then on to the last page, hamlet areas, just to incorporate design guidelines into those areas, just so we have like a look and feel for each one of our hamlets. And it'll, you know, it makes our job easier, it makes developers' jobs easier. We want to make sure any kind of commercial that's coming into these hamlet areas is going to really mesh with like the vernacular of the area. So we don't want any weird buildings that don't really make sense for our smaller commercial areas. So we're going to have to make sure that we're not just going to have to have a lot of construction. We're going to have to have a lot of construction. We're going to have to have a lot of construction. We're going to have to have a lot of construction. And then in terms of code cleanup, we're looking to add a use table. So we actually have a better definition of what uses are allowed in each zoning use district. So again, it makes things easier for us and developers. And that's pretty much it. So we're going to have to make sure that we have a good use table. And then on to the last page, we have a lot of construction. We want to incorporate design guidelines into those areas. So we have a lot of construction. We want to make sure that we're not just going to have a look and feel for each one of our hamlets. And it'll, you know, it makes our job easier, it makes developers' jobs easier. We want to make sure any kind of commercial that's coming into these hamlet areas is going to really mesh with like the vernacular of the area. So if there's a chunk of space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, if there's space in there, developers that's pretty much it so going forward all the work we've done so far all the draft chapters they're up there on the town's comprehensive plan website the town board very shortly is going to be getting the DG is and the and the draft plan once the DG is is accepted it's going to go out to interested agencies the planning board is an interested agency so probably behoove the board to review those documents what does trend into transmitted and come up with some comments on the appropriateness or anything that needs to be changed so that'll be in the next couple weeks there's an approximate ending date August it's my last point so we're right we're right on schedule yeah FDG is the finding statement on the cop plan adoption of the end of a great in August of this year Matt quick question on all that extra parking that you have in front of Tanger Home Depot are you guys going to do that or not? to allow maybe a small business maybe a satellite or something I mean it would depend so they'd have to demonstrate whatever we so where would take up so the parking would be there but just to bring everyone up to speed so the cop plan is gonna be a broad policy document with recommendations to change code to change policies in the town so after we adopt the plan then like the really fun work happens of adopting all the code changes so one of the code changes we probably need to change parking requirements and make them less you know less burdensome in those areas so if they could meet the new parking requirements and yeah I think and coverage requirements they could do pad sites and stuff like that okay did you say the DGIS would would be out and finished by August the plan the fun everything everything's gonna be done at the same time and the DG the draft the DG is will be done in the next few weeks so the town board is gonna get that okay and once it's accepted it's a very like yeah timeline down by secret by secret adoption policies for complains in town law that's it it's it's coming to a close I think which is everybody's very excited about a lot of good stuff so that's kind of what's happening in the background you guys have any questions keep at it no good good taking up a lot of our time lately it's been a lot of fun I think All right, at this point we're going to have public comments on resolutions. Not too many takers today. Okay, let's go right into resolutions. Okay, I'll move resolution number 24, I'm sorry, 030. Granting approval for preliminary plat on printed places. 25 lot major subdivision. So moved. Okay, we have moved and seconded. May we have a vote, please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Baer? Yes. I vote yes. The motion is carried. Resolution number 2024, 031, Northville Acres Minor Subdivision. Resolution granting approval for a two lot minor subdivision application seeking to subdivide the existing 4.22 acre parcel of land. So moved. Second. Good. Moved and seconded. May we have a vote, please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Baer? Yes. I vote yes. Motion carries. Resolution 2024, 032, Damaris Farm Minor Subdivision. Resolution granting approval for a minor subdivision application and approval to subdivide two existing parcels and create four buildable single family residences. Second. Moved and seconded. May we have a vote, please? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Baer? Yes. I vote yes. The motion carries. Resolution number 2024, 033, Terravite Winery and Vineyard Residence Tasting Room Conversion. Resolution granting approval for the site plan application seeking approval to convert an existing single family residence. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Gentlemen, may we have a vote? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote yes. Motion carries. Second. At this time, public comments on all matters.

Okay. Can somebody move the minutes of the... Move the minutes of March 21st. Second. Moved and seconded. May we have a vote? All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? On another note, on other business, I came up with something. I don't want to discuss it tonight because my colleagues and staff haven't seen it yet. I'm going to pass you down. Copy. STAFF, I HAVE THEM FOR YOU TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE THOUGHT IS TO PUT THIS ON AS A DISCUSSION ITEM AT OUR NEXT MEETING. THE ISSUE WOULD BE ONE-WAY TRAFFIC ON SECOND AND THIRD STREETS. THE POSSIBLE BENEFITS COULD BE REDUCING CONGESTION ON SECOND STREET, INCREASED PARKING BY ADDING ON-STREET PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD ON SECOND STREET AND THIRD STREET. IF THE BOARD WOULD DISCUSS IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR A COURSE OF ACTION, IT WILL BE THE PLANNING BOARD AGREES AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THAT THEY HAVE A TRAFFIC AND SAFETY COMMITTEE STUDY THE ISSUE. SO NOTHING, NOT A BIG DEAL. JUST A QUESTION. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL THE WAY ALONG? NO. JUST THAT ONE BLOCK? YEAH. I THINK TRAFFIC ENGINEERS CAN DO MUCH BETTER THAN ME, BUT I THOUGHT AT A MINIMUM THIS WAY AND THAT WAY BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS A TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND A PARKING ISSUE THERE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET. BUT TAKE IT, YOU KNOW, HASH IT UP. YOU KNOW, NEXT MEETING WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. GOT IT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT MEETING DATE IS THURSDAY, MAY 2ND AT 6 O'CLOCK. HOPE YOU CAN ALL MAKE IT. STAFF, AS USUAL, HAVE A GREAT DAY. BOARD MEMBERS. YEP. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO CLOSE, SOMEBODY? AYE. SECOND. MOVED AND SECONDED. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. OKAY. MOVED AND SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL OPPOSED? HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND, EVERYBODY.

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