May 16, 2024 — Planning Board

Planning Board Meeting

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6:02Oh, so maybe that's what's going on top, and they're using the steel beams to...
6:10It appeared to me that they were going to drive steel I-beams into the ground.
6:14Yeah, they're using like a low-pressure excavator to do that.
6:17Right, and then it looked like they were going to put some groove in between the two steel I-beams,
6:23in between the webbing of the beams. That's what it looked like on the drawing.
6:26It didn't look like it was going to be a total steel bulkhead.
6:29It looked like it was going to be steel I-beams tied back.
6:33Yeah, so I guess it's a combination of steel and wood,
6:36but I think the biggest thing is they're taking whatever wood beams are existing out and replacing it with steel.
6:42Right, okay. And they're going to go down 20...
6:47Yeah, they're going down fairly deep in order to...
6:50Put the steel beams in.
6:51Yeah, and that's why they need the low-pressure excavator.
6:54But again, the DEC reviewed and approved all of this.
6:58Again, I'm sorry.
6:59Jeff Zahn isn't here to answer any specific questions about the actual construction of the wall,
7:03but in terms of like town code and Chapter 219 guidelines, it complies, and they, you know, receive their dues.
7:10So at this point, if the Board has any other conditions they want to add,
7:14I do have a resolution on to approve it so they can move forward with the building department.
7:21Any other questions on that one?
7:23Nope.
7:24No.
7:25All right, so if you want to dovetail into the next one...
7:28Yeah.
7:29So the next application is actually for the property directly west of this parcel.
7:36So this parcel, all of the parcels along Lewin Drive within Lewin Hills,
7:40they're part of the Lewin Hills Property Owners Association.
7:43And the property next door, so that it's not numbered, but the tax net number is 600-27-1-3.
7:55It's owned by the Lewin Hills Property Owners Association.
7:58And what they're doing, they're basically doing the same thing that the Nofee residence,
8:03which is the property contiguous to this one, is doing,
8:07where they're removing the wooden retaining wall and they're replacing with those steel I-beams.
8:12They're tying into the Nofee retaining wall.
8:16And then they're also tying into an existing retaining wall on private property to the west.
8:21Yeah, and again, they're all part of the Lewin Hills Property Owners Association.
8:26So I did, you know, I was able to go out and make a site inspection.
8:30Rich Ostrowski sort of heads the Property Owners Association.
8:33He allowed me access because it is gated and locked.
8:36They have sort of like a courtyard, grassy area with a path.
8:41And there is an existing small deck that they're going to remove in order to facilitate the construction of the new retaining wall.
8:49They're going to replace it in kind.
8:51They're doing the same thing with the stairs that are at the top of the bluff.
8:55And I went down the staircase to the beach.
8:58That was replaced, I think, in 2012 according to building department records.
9:02So that's in fairly good condition.
9:04And again, this section of bluff is all terraced just like the property to the east.
9:09Well, in this application, it's clear that they are using steel and not wood.
9:15If you read, if you read submitted plans,
9:20both improvements replaced with a 50 linear foot steel retaining wall.
9:25With dead man supports and vertical steel beams.
9:29Yeah, but then in, to Joe's point on the last, the last application on SB2,
9:35the plan view of wall, which is towards the top of the page,
9:39it says three inch pressure treated tongue and groove wood lagging.
9:43Alright, I think that, I think that is, it kind of is, it's a little confusing there, isn't it?
9:53Yeah, because the, the application describes it as,
9:55the description spoke to a steel retaining wall.
9:58Oh, good.
9:59Jack, if you could come up just because the board has a couple questions.
10:02Just introduce yourself for the record.
10:04Sure.
10:06How you guys doing?
10:07My name is Jeff Stone.
10:08I'm the architect.
10:10Address is 215 Roanoke Avenue.
10:12Yeah, so we already discussed the no fee application.
10:16We're on the Llewyn Hills Property Owners Association.
10:19We just had a question because both applications reference the replacement of the wood retaining wall
10:23with a steel retaining wall.
10:24Okay.
10:25So we just had a question about the tongue and groove wood lagging in the plan detail.
10:30Okay.
10:31What was the question?
10:32What's it going to be?
10:33Is it going to be 50 linear feet of steel or is it going to be the tongue and groove dropped in between the . . .
10:38It's the tongue and groove dropped in between the steel.
10:42What's the dimensions on the tongue and groove?
10:44It says three inches in six foot sections on the plan.
10:52Yeah, I'm just looking at the depth.
10:54It usually goes down like two feet below.
10:56No, no.
10:57What's the size of the wood, Jeff?
10:58Is it three by eight?
10:59You know, three by eight . . .
11:00It's usually probably three by eight.
11:01Okay.
11:02All right.
11:03What's the three inch thickness?
11:04Right, right, right.
11:05It's like a dock.
11:06It's like building a dock.
11:07Yeah.
11:08Exactly.
11:09Exactly.
11:10Yeah, so this will be constructed basically the same as the no fee residence where it
11:11has the dead man supports going into the block.
11:12And again, they're using the low pressure excavator to get those steel beams down.
11:13And then, you know, we're going to be using the steel beams to build the block.
11:14And then, you know, we're going to be using the steel beams to build the block.
11:15And then, you know, we're going to be using the steel beams to build the block.
11:16And they'll be using the property owners association for all of the construction material and staging.
11:17So it'll be solely on that property.
11:18Both projects are going to be done at the same time?
11:19I spoke . . . so Rich Otrowski said that no fee's probably going to start his first,
11:20and then it'll tie into the Lewin Hills property.
11:21Separate contractors?
11:22Yeah.
11:23Yeah.
11:24So, I'm just wondering if you can talk about that.
11:25I mean, I think it's a good question.
11:26I think it's a good question.
11:27I think it's a good question.
11:28I think it's a good question.
11:29I think it's a good question.
11:30I think it's a good question.
11:31I think it's a good question.
11:32I think it's a good question.
11:33Same contract.
11:34Same contract.
11:35I spoke, so Rich Otrowski said that NOFI's probably going to start his first,
11:39and then it'll tie into the Lewin Hills property.
11:43Separate contractors?
11:45Same contractor.
11:46Same contractor, I'm assuming because they both used you as the design professional.
11:51So it just makes sense to start probably from the easterly property, move west,
11:55and then they'll tie into the new retaining wall on the Lewin Hills Association property.
12:00That is the plan.
12:02Yeah.
12:03It's a work-west story.
12:04So all the building material and all the work will actually go through that easement area?
12:10That little courtyard, yeah.
12:11And as far as DEC is concerned, it's sort of the same thing.
12:16They received a title wetlands permit pursuant to Article 25.
12:20It's good through April 22nd of 2029.
12:24And as with the other applications, DEC is requiring that vegetated berm on the top
12:30just to prevent the stormwater from running down the bluff.
12:34The town engineer found the documents acceptable for construction,
12:39and they approved this as well.
12:41And as with the other application, they're bringing in about 50 cubic yards of clean fill,
12:46which is exempt from Chapter 229 because it says the material imported
12:50shall not exceed 1,000 cubic yards per year, and this is only 50 cubic yards.
12:56What about drainage?
12:58Self-contained on the drainage?
13:00Well, we have to do, DEC requires you to do the berm.
13:04The top of the bluff?
13:05Okay.
13:06To retain any runoff?
13:08Correct.
13:08Yeah, and then the no-fee property, like that's residential,
13:12so they're required any sort of stormwater runoff, like from the house,
13:15they're required to contain it on site.
13:16That's town code.
13:18Okay.
13:19Now, who's responsible for any of the cleanup of the construction
13:22or any damage, you know, that could occur?
13:26Who's responsible for that?
13:27That would be, I'm assuming the home, no-fee, the homeowner would be responsible
13:31for anything that happens on their property.
13:33The looming?
13:33Okay.
13:34Okay.
13:34The Looming Hills Association of Properties.
13:35What kind of damage should you report?
13:36Well, I'm just saying you're bringing in equipment and everything else.
13:39You're going to have tracks and, you know, dump truck dumping the dirt off.
13:43Yeah, the contractor will, you know, regrade that to, you know, buy it to the loan.
13:47Okay, and he'll bring it back to, you know, natural whatever?
13:50Yeah, I mean, a requirement of a building permit, the contractor, the GC,
13:54has to provide their insurances, so liability, workers' comp, and disability.
13:57So the liability, I would think they would assume anything
14:00if the Looming Hills Property Association, if there's damage to their property,
14:04but that's something that would be worked out between the contractor
14:07and the Looming Hills Property Owners Association.
14:09Okay, all right.
14:11So as with the other application, I have a resolution on to approve this,
14:14just so they can move forward and get their building permits.
14:18Do you have any other questions?
14:21Heather, does the building permit require them to regrade to close it out?
14:29I mean, I'd have to speak to Andreas.
14:31So they're bound by whatever DEC.
14:33Really, the DEC is the fist thing that the DEC approves.
14:36Really, the DEC is the fist thing that the DEC approves.
14:37Really, the DEC is the fist thing that the DEC approves.
14:38Really, the DEC approves.
14:39and then they go and they get their building permits but really the biggest
14:43thing for us I think is that berm that the EC is requiring so the 219
14:48approvals make them subject to any and all conditions and requirements of the
14:53DC permits okay so if I put in those berms in it's not going to divert water
15:00and and cause erosion in other areas like on other people's property and I
15:04don't want to be yourself contain I don't think they're large enough to make
15:08that much of an impact they're only about I think 10 to 12 inches high and I
15:12did refer this to drew and engineering so I think that if there were any
15:15concerns he would have brought them up in his review
15:34next up they have mad charters
15:381125 old country road yes so now I'll have the applicant come up Paul Velasque
15:43Paul you can come up
15:59yeah yes so 1125 old country road if the board's familiar this is the old
16:06blockbuster building on the west side of the city of New York and it's a lot of
16:08building on the west side of the city of New York and it's a lot of building on
16:08building on the west side of the city of New York and it's a lot of
16:10space
16:26space
16:10green and some staples.
16:14So this is an administrative site plan for basically facade improvements.
16:18They're going to be replacing all the windows on site in kind.
16:20There's going to be a new exterior stucco facade and then that wood, if you're familiar,
16:25there's like some wood trim that's in poor condition.
16:28That's going to be replaced with pretty plank.
16:29So really just a nice cleanup for this site that needs a little help.
16:32They're also going to be repaving the parking lot, doing some plantings in there as well,
16:36repaving the sidewalks that are on site.
16:38And as you can see here, doing some cross access, which for this site is really good
16:42because there isn't any right now.
16:44There's some informal in the back, but no real cross access.
16:48In terms of secret, this is a type two.
16:50You know, just as I described, this is up on 58 and 1125 Old Country Road,
16:56shopping center zoning use district.
16:58There's an AT&T now and an Ale Salon and I think the Blockbuster's been vacant
17:01since Blockbuster left.
17:03Yes.
17:03Yeah, which is a long time now.
17:05It had some pop-up Halloween things.
17:07Oh yeah, Halloween.
17:08Yeah.
17:08I think there's some stuff going on there.
17:09Customs.
17:10I see.
17:10The access strips on your site?
17:16Yep.
17:16They're not built yet?
17:18Not built yet.
17:20They will be?
17:21They will be.
17:22I'm going to go in my report.
17:23I got to go through it a little bit.
17:25So we did get a cross-access plan, building elevations, a copy of a survey and a narrative,
17:31as well as some renderings of what the building's going to look like.
17:34That should all have been in your packet.
17:35I think it's a nice improvement to what's there.
17:37It's a nice improvement.
17:38cleanup so if you looked at the pictures that are in my staff report you can kind of see
17:42the 58 side of the building has one style brick and then the back has a different style brick so
17:46this is going to really help everything mesh together well in terms of cross-axis they show
17:53two 24 foot wide cross-access on the plan here and here we got a nice title reports about this
18:00thick on the property the good thing is that back in 1989 and 1990 when the site plan was approved
18:05for this it was a requirement that they file cross-access to all adjacent parcels um i don't
18:11it doesn't appear that that ever got filed um weren't it required as part of this application
18:16but they are legal one on the east one on the west yeah so it said so a condition of approval was to
18:22file it to all adjacent uh parcels it didn't get filed but we can enforce that now but he does file
18:27that and then in 2006 which i think is when they were doing work on the larger piece they actually
18:34did file across
18:35cross-axis easement and you can see I did a snippet of it in our in your in
18:40the staff report which shows it here it also shows it back here which is where
18:44the informal cross-axis is now you can see there's like a dirt driveway right
18:47there that people drive through when I was taking pictures and actually drove
18:50through there it's kind of hopping off the curb I don't know that we really
18:54need it in the back as long as it functions across the side I'd like to
18:59see something at least a future cross-axis to this parcel is you what
19:03you can't see in this plan is this fronts on 58 and then there's a flag lot
19:08here that comes down so really to get the full connection so I think this
19:13would be fine for future future here and then to open this one which would really
19:17help the situation Matt who owns the the lot to the south to this set that dirt
19:23you know with so that's all part of the shopping center the shop okay I'm like a
19:27now the dirt is part of nothing so it's part of our okay all right are you going
19:32to improve that are you gonna leave that to me
19:33that more parking it's gonna stay the way it is I've in as a condition
19:38approval of us for a re-veg obviously put the lawn back in maybe some plantings
19:40back there but yeah we're gonna have to do a little bit of cleanup so people
19:45aren't driving on it anymore which the opening here will help them from doing
19:49that hasn't been to ARB yet but it's gonna go to ARB next Wednesday that's a
19:54condition of approval so is there gonna be a curbing there so people can't drive
19:57through there's there's curb now I think so what's interesting right now we're
20:02going to re-vegetate
20:03I'm sorry Paul Klosky owner of 111 it's actually 1105 that's for a blockbuster
20:11so but the entire parcel is 1125 1125 old country road thanks for your time so
20:17to discuss anything on cross-access we're willing to do whatever you guys
20:22require and file it I do believe these were file I'll try and get that and
20:26whether it's two on the side or however you want to do it this back area for now
20:31we will re-vegetate and if needed we'll re-vegetate and if needed we'll re-vegetate
20:33you know put up a fence along the back if you want to put that as we would like
20:37that just so just kind of a heads up McLean will be submitting something down
20:44the road potentially for a phase two there to do more parking in a smaller
20:48building if we could meet do it without a variance but right now our goal is
20:53just to clean up the existing building in sight but yes this is being you
20:58literally today I was parked there and there's a dumpster there and the lady
21:03came up and said can you relocate the dumpster so we could cross access in a
21:08Honda Accord yeah it was a little car when I was there and I felt bad because
21:12she's a creature of habit because we've only owned it three weeks right and she
21:16actually lives in the Honda Accord sleeps there and every single day at the
21:21same exact time she pulls into the blockbuster and stays there all day
21:24reading the paper I felt bad but I did give her the heads up that our goal is
21:28to revegetate that soon because it is it's a disaster I mean
21:33you know I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to get it out of the way but I'm
21:33just gonna try to
21:35times a day minimum yeah from what i've just seen it looks like it's been driven over quite a bit
21:40so yeah our goal is definitely to immediately improve it and then you know we could do a you
21:45know four foot code compliant fence along the back for now and then eventually it will be parking and
21:51potentially regardless it will be something successful well let me just say it's tnc
21:57i'm just going to ask you if they could be worth it to have a curb cut there for somebody in a
22:01wheelchair or somebody uh we're pushing a baby carriage or something would be able to access one
22:06parking lot to the other so it's so those drive in this easement it says it's for vehicular and
22:12pedestrian cross access so it would have to be at a grade that i guess meets ada so a little bit of
22:17a grade change that's another big thing so the reason why we're gonna redo the parking lot is
22:22because i've i dated back to like the 40s um this this building was like the first building around
22:28yes it was and i think it had some sort of farm
22:31aspect to it because they're the only ones that dug out the rear point every elevation behind it
22:37is higher than there and i believe it was for a loading dock an inexpensive way to create a
22:41loading dock because of that back ramp on blockbuster but we will raise the grade so it's
22:46level without affecting anything it should have been natural there's already a ton of drainage
22:52there and everything to accept it but we're taking all the water from everywhere around
22:59so instead of just redilling
23:01the asphalt we would bring it up roughly um six to eight inches depending on to to fix that so that's
23:0888 compliant cross-axis okay didn't zambo was amber well drilling didn't he build that i'm not sure i
23:15think yeah yeah here's your oh he built that yeah yeah the front part was the first building which
23:20was the original brick and the red brick in the back was what they added on so the front is wood
23:25the back is steel and the whole thing is actually a cinder block brick-based building so that's one
23:31of the ways that we can make it better without demoing the building with the stock up the only
23:36question i have is that the frame decking in the back on the west side are you keeping that no
23:41because we're going to regrade this so you don't need that so the sidewalks would remain and that
23:46deck would become a sidewalk so in terms of the grading we would like to see a grading and drainage
23:52plan no problem uh if you can bring it in we can we can approve this and have you come back to
23:57approve that so just wait so the town you know what um right now the goal is we're going to make
24:01the facade McLean's literally going to submit next week everything else whether
24:06two weeks from now because our goal number one right now you can see we
24:11replaced the roof because it was leaking I can't believe this tenants in there
24:15and the only work we're doing in the front where you see the blue skin is all
24:18the flashing came down to the secondary awning we're not touching the siding
24:22until the ARB approves whatever they approve but right now we did the roof
24:26the the windows and the flashing only but I could do a full yes so what I'll
24:35say you know with McLean immediately I'm just going to recommend a condition that
24:38prior to any grading or deal like that will be included as a conditional
24:46approval prior to I'm issuing to the building that's great I have one more
24:51question what type of signage were you going to put out is it going to be like
24:54one side in front of building or each building
24:56or each building or each building or each building or each building or each building
24:56is just what is this so what's there now is each store gets their own there's
25:02two signs currently and then and then we'd like to get rid of the road sign so
25:09it's ugly we've already cut it cut the wood top
25:13oh I just need to just fold transparency I need to just make sure the leases with
25:19the two tenants that are there are okay with it
25:21we as owners want it on it's ugly and I don't think it's needed that people know
25:26where they're going right now Matt what you did that the gentleman takes it down
25:31does he need a new permit to put up another one yes yep so that you just
25:38remember that oh yeah absolutely I didn't take it down right they had like
25:43so that would all over it but we're happy to and if it's preferred I would
25:48then send that letter to the tenants saying you know let's get rid of this
25:52it's AT&T they're a little difficult with science
25:56okay in terms of landscaping they do show some boxwoods in the front create
26:01myrtle in the back parking lot there were street trees in front I know they
26:04weren't in great shape shape but all of them with that and we'll put we'll look
26:08for some new street street trees subject to planning staff we won't be
26:11guys okay with that I think there were four or five in the front just to
26:14replace them in kind with stuff that's in better shape so I do have a
26:18resolution on to approve this it is going to be amended as we discussed to
26:24take out the reference for my large
26:26we don't reference my large anymore and we will add a condition that prior to
26:29any I would say regrading of the property import or export of material
26:34will need to approve a great dream edge plan okay the only just so you drive by
26:40the back we're going to see this weekend the sandy area but to see that tractor
26:45we're not taking fill away that's okay I just there's two reasons the excavator
26:49is there to crush the dumpsters because the and also to just
26:55regrade the property and then we'll be able to get it back to the
26:56great that without removal or anything in the back yeah that's fine that's good
26:59thank you for your time any questions thank you so just when you vote remember
27:09as amended hey next we have sandy pond mini golf with Greg Bergen
27:18and I'm going to go ahead and give you a little bit of a quick update on the
27:21status of the sandy pond mini golf course as the board will recall you recently
27:26granted approval for the construction of the 18-hole mini golf course with the
27:30associated parking lot related improvements during the review of that
27:34application as you recall there was an existing application that was not
27:38approved and we're going to be able to review that application and then we'll
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28:17that area was required as a 20-foot wide non disturbance buffer however I did and
28:23it was recorded in the minutes of the meeting when we discussed it that I
28:27acknowledge that some selective cleaning up of the area you know removal of like
28:31dead brush and scrub stuff would be acceptable as long as it was done in
28:35close concert with the planning staff to make sure that the area just didn't get
28:39clear-cut so on April 24th I received a call I met mr. star who's the project
28:47sponsor out of the site I went through that buffer we probably spent about a
28:51half hour on site discussing the status of the buffer of the vegetation at that
28:56time you know I had informed him that as we had discussed I wouldn't be opposed
29:01to some selective removal of dead vegetation so I had instructed him to
29:04one mark out where that 20-foot non-disturbance
29:09and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site
29:09and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site
29:09and I would go to the site and I would go to the site
29:11fist
29:11fist
29:11could actually identify what's in the buffer, what's outside the buffer. And then he was told
29:17and he agreed that he was going to go flag, you know, specific, you know, significant vegetation,
29:23significant trees, what was going to remain and what was going to stay. He was then supposed to
29:27call me for a follow-up to essentially verify what he had flagged, if I saw anything else that
29:33stuck out that we wanted to keep. Long story short, that call never happened. Member Zilnicki
29:39actually brought to my attention that following week. So I went out to the site on May 2nd, and as
29:47you can see on the second page of the staff report, you can really see the before and after.
29:53Probably saved about a dozen trees in that buffer area, which to the extent that I'm thankful that
30:00he retained those trees, I am. But again, it was just sort of very frustrating that we had an
30:05understanding of the process that we were going to have, you know, the board, as well as I like to
30:09think, like, you know, we're going to have a lot of people on the board, and we're going to have
30:09a lot of people on the board. So I was sort of told the answer, well, my guys were there on the
30:21weekend, and they just went nuts. To me, that doesn't really fly, you know, like, you're the
30:26boss, you're the boss, the buck stops with you. If your guys go and sort of overclear, really,
30:32that's on you. So that's what this sketch is all about. Yeah, so and again, so in in short
30:39order, very quickly after it was brought to my attention, I went out and for Mr. Stark,
30:47he provided me with a proposed landscaping plan for that northeastern corner, which would cover
30:54that buffer area, as well as a portion of the northern property line, which is shared with
30:59Mr. Terry's processing yard to the north. The plan that he provided is very substantial,
31:08calls for a significant amount of
31:09plantings. They're substantial size substantial species. I mean, there's probably nearing 100
31:16plants in this area. I did have Heather, who's our resident green thumb, she reviewed it.
31:24And that. So I support this plan. A couple of recommendations. So basically, I would like this
31:36plan to be shown on the revised young and young site plan. And I'm going to be showing you a lot of
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32:09sure that these trees don't accidentally come down again no one gets a tray both those are happy so
32:15identify and flag the existing trees on a landscaping plan they are proposing cornus
32:21kusa those should be replaced with cornus florida as that's a native vegetation um i'd recommend a
32:28two foot burn be shown on that and on that landscape buffer area just to help raise those
32:33plants up provide better screening and that these plans are in addition to they still have to
32:39provide the proposed street trees that were shown on the previously approved site plan
32:45and that any additional landscaping throughout the site this is just supplementing that so it's not
32:50replacing anything um so i would i'll transmit these recommendations to mr stark before we have
32:57an approval at the next meeting i would like to see that revised plan i noticed he's bringing
33:02a bringing in i think
33:03suppose the boulders yeah so uh yeah i believe they're native native boulders um which is
33:10interesting uh native or non-native but yeah so they are just again just just landscaping
33:15elements you know i mean i don't have a problem with the boulders and the landscaped areas um
33:22so that's that just we're here to just the board has any objections i mean again in an optimal
33:27world i will acknowledge as i said before from the start the existing buffer was not particularly
33:33attractive
33:33but if this plan had come in from the start that's how it should have happened not i'm just going to
33:39come in as you recall the plan origin the note on the original plan just said selective removal and
33:46augmentation which is really very vague in my opinion if this plan would have come in from the
33:52start we would have had no problems with it this would have been approved along with the landscaping
33:57it's just really not the way the the process should happen right
34:01yeah i think that's a good point
34:03greg i gotta agree with you because when i drove past it the next day i had called brian
34:10and i said brian what did you do and one of the things that and it's not just brian but
34:18any application that comes in front of the planning department and us we all have rules
34:24and regulations codes that we have to follow our vote goes according to code and everything else
34:29not our opinion uh it makes it very difficult to make decisions in an ideal way and we're going to
34:33and puts people in tough places when he goes out
34:38or anyone goes out and does whatever they want.
34:40And it's not just this situation,
34:42but other applications that they do the same thing.
34:46What he's got to realize is that you guys work real hard
34:49to get things done the right way.
34:51You may not agree with all the codes,
34:53because I don't agree with all of them 100%,
34:56but work with us, you know,
34:58because don't blame people for things that you did, you know.
35:03And he's going to do a beautiful job.
35:04That's not the question.
35:06But just work with us.
35:08That's all we ask for.
35:10I agree.
35:11I appreciate those sentiments, and I absolutely agree.
35:13It's like asking for forgiveness.
35:15Correct.
35:16And again, if this came in,
35:18this will be a beautiful landscaping plan.
35:21It'll be vibrant.
35:22It'll provide effective screening.
35:24Just it should have happened in the process.
35:26And you know what?
35:27I'm sure there was more than enough work
35:29that still needs to be done on the site
35:31where those trees didn't,
35:33need to be immediately removed.
35:35You know, I'm sure he's still working right now,
35:37so there's no question that,
35:39okay, let me stay out of the buffer for now,
35:42and I'll address the 50 other things
35:45that I've got to do on the site, so.
35:47Right.
35:48I think it's a good idea to take the assessment,
35:50make the assessment now of what's there,
35:52and then we know.
35:55Again, I'm sure at the end of the day,
35:58it's all going to look beautiful.
35:59Yeah.
35:59The boldness he can pick up from, you know,
36:02from his neighbors,
36:03I'm sure he's got a million of them.
36:05Yeah.
36:06Got a couple of native boulders.
36:06It'll be beautiful.
36:08And just, you know,
36:09speaking to the inventory of existing trees,
36:12this is something that we're really going to press,
36:15press more for when we get site plan applications
36:17that have existing vegetation.
36:20It's something not that this board
36:21is necessarily under their purview,
36:23but I review a lot of applications
36:25when I take in applications
36:27for the Conservation Advisory Council,
36:29which deal with applications
36:31for development along the waterway,
36:33the riverfront.
36:33And we've had several applications recently
36:36where we've had them do detailed inventories
36:39of trees within non-disturbance buffers.
36:42A lot of times what we'll see is we'll get an application
36:46or, you know, done after the fact where it sort
36:49of puts us behind the eight fall
36:50where we don't know what was there, what the quality,
36:53what the condition of it was.
36:54But when we get these applications
36:56and we have a verified tree inventory,
36:59now we have a baseline to establish where if several years
37:02down the road, we're going to have a tree inventory,
37:03we're going to have a baseline to establish
37:03where if several years down the road we go and see
37:04that it's completely cleared, we have something
37:06that we can verify and say, well, on this date,
37:08at this time, you had 45 trees of, you know,
37:13this caliper throughout the buffer area.
37:14So it gives us a lot more inventory and a lot more,
37:18I don't want to say ammunition, but it gives us a baseline
37:21to establish what was there if we need to, you know,
37:24pursue measures to have them revegetate.
37:26Just to work together, Greg.
37:28You know, that's the biggest thing.
37:30Yeah.
37:31You know.
37:32So, again, I'm going to go back to the question.
37:32Again, I will transmit the recommendations I would anticipate
37:36at the next meeting, the first meeting in June,
37:39that these plans would be translated over
37:41to a formal landscaping plan and we could have an approval
37:44on to a resolution on to approve.
37:49Okay.
37:53Good job, Greg.
38:00Now we move on to public comments on the resolution.
38:02Is anybody on Zoom?
38:05No Zoom.
38:06No Zoom today?
38:07Anybody in the public?
38:12Okay.
38:13So we'll move up to the resolutions.
38:15I'll move resolution 2024-036 for the no fee resident to Chapter 219.
38:21So moved.
38:22Second.
38:23Mr. Zelnicki?
38:25Yes.
38:26Mr. Baird?
38:27Yes.
38:28Mr. Nenari?
38:29Aye.
38:30And I'm yes.
38:32Resolution approved.
38:34I'll move resolution number 2437,
38:38granting Chapter 219 approval.
38:42Second.
38:42And has its waste in Lewin Hills Association.
38:46Mr. Zelnicki?
38:48Yes.
38:48Aye.
38:50Mr. Nenari?
38:51Aye.
38:51Yes.
38:53I'm a yes.
38:54Resolution approved.
38:56Resolution 20-24038, 1124 Old Country Road,
39:00the facade improvements,
39:01result clearing administration approval for a site plan application
39:05which proposes exterior alterations to an existing multi-unit retail building.
39:12Second.
39:13As amended.
39:14As amended.
39:15As amended.
39:16Sorry.
39:17As amended.
39:18I'll second.
39:19Can we get a second?
39:20Mr. Zelnicki?
39:21Yes.
39:22Mr. Baird?
39:23Yes.
39:24Mr. Nenari?
39:25Aye.
39:26And I'm yes.
39:27Resolution approved.
39:28Just clarifying.
39:29Resolution 39, there was an error in the agenda.
39:30This is to assume lead agency and issue a negative contract.
39:31There was a, just a little holdover from a prior application, prior information.
39:37So this is an application to assume lead agency and issue a negative declaration.
39:41I'll move resolution number 39, which assumes lead agency status and issues a negative declaration
39:47pursues the sequel for the plan on 2nd Street townhouses.
39:52Second.
39:53Okay.
39:54Mr. Zelnicki?
39:55Yes.
39:56Mr. Baird?
39:57Yes.
39:58Mr. Nenari?
39:59Aye.
40:00Ms. Baird?
40:02Aye.
40:03Ms. Bamboli?
40:05Aye.
40:06Ms. Bamboli?
40:07Aye.
40:08Ms. Bamboli?
40:09Aye.
40:10Ms. Bamboli?
40:11Aye.
40:12Ms. Bamboli?
40:13Aye.
40:14Ms. Bamboli?
40:15Aye.
40:16Ms. Bamboli?
40:17Aye.
40:18Ms. Bamboli?
40:19Aye.
40:20Ms. Bamboli?
40:21Aye.
40:22Ms. Bamboli?
40:23Aye.
40:24Ms. Bamboli?
40:25Aye.
40:26Ms. Bamboli?
40:27Aye.
40:28Ms. Bamboli?
40:30June 6th at 6 p.m. 6 p.m. motion to adjourn so moved

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Thank you. Oh, so maybe that's what's going on top, and they're using the steel beams to... It appeared to me that they were going to drive steel I-beams into the ground. Yeah, they're using like a low-pressure excavator to do that. Right, and then it looked like they were going to put some groove in between the two steel I-beams, in between the webbing of the beams. That's what it looked like on the drawing. It didn't look like it was going to be a total steel bulkhead. It looked like it was going to be steel I-beams tied back. Yeah, so I guess it's a combination of steel and wood, but I think the biggest thing is they're taking whatever wood beams are existing out and replacing it with steel. Right, okay. And they're going to go down 20... Yeah, they're going down fairly deep in order to... Put the steel beams in. Yeah, and that's why they need the low-pressure excavator. But again, the DEC reviewed and approved all of this. Again, I'm sorry. Jeff Zahn isn't here to answer any specific questions about the actual construction of the wall, but in terms of like town code and Chapter 219 guidelines, it complies, and they, you know, receive their dues. So at this point, if the Board has any other conditions they want to add, I do have a resolution on to approve it so they can move forward with the building department. Any other questions on that one? Nope. No. All right, so if you want to dovetail into the next one... Yeah. So the next application is actually for the property directly west of this parcel. So this parcel, all of the parcels along Lewin Drive within Lewin Hills, they're part of the Lewin Hills Property Owners Association. And the property next door, so that it's not numbered, but the tax net number is 600-27-1-3. It's owned by the Lewin Hills Property Owners Association. And what they're doing, they're basically doing the same thing that the Nofee residence, which is the property contiguous to this one, is doing, where they're removing the wooden retaining wall and they're replacing with those steel I-beams. They're tying into the Nofee retaining wall. And then they're also tying into an existing retaining wall on private property to the west. Yeah, and again, they're all part of the Lewin Hills Property Owners Association. So I did, you know, I was able to go out and make a site inspection. Rich Ostrowski sort of heads the Property Owners Association. He allowed me access because it is gated and locked. They have sort of like a courtyard, grassy area with a path. And there is an existing small deck that they're going to remove in order to facilitate the construction of the new retaining wall. They're going to replace it in kind. They're doing the same thing with the stairs that are at the top of the bluff. And I went down the staircase to the beach. That was replaced, I think, in 2012 according to building department records. So that's in fairly good condition. And again, this section of bluff is all terraced just like the property to the east. Well, in this application, it's clear that they are using steel and not wood. If you read, if you read submitted plans, both improvements replaced with a 50 linear foot steel retaining wall. With dead man supports and vertical steel beams. Yeah, but then in, to Joe's point on the last, the last application on SB2, the plan view of wall, which is towards the top of the page, it says three inch pressure treated tongue and groove wood lagging. Alright, I think that, I think that is, it kind of is, it's a little confusing there, isn't it? Yeah, because the, the application describes it as, the description spoke to a steel retaining wall. Oh, good. Jack, if you could come up just because the board has a couple questions. Just introduce yourself for the record. Sure. How you guys doing? My name is Jeff Stone. I'm the architect. Address is 215 Roanoke Avenue. Yeah, so we already discussed the no fee application. We're on the Llewyn Hills Property Owners Association. We just had a question because both applications reference the replacement of the wood retaining wall with a steel retaining wall. Okay. So we just had a question about the tongue and groove wood lagging in the plan detail. Okay. What was the question? What's it going to be? Is it going to be 50 linear feet of steel or is it going to be the tongue and groove dropped in between the . . . It's the tongue and groove dropped in between the steel. What's the dimensions on the tongue and groove? It says three inches in six foot sections on the plan. Yeah, I'm just looking at the depth. It usually goes down like two feet below. No, no. What's the size of the wood, Jeff? Is it three by eight? You know, three by eight . . . It's usually probably three by eight. Okay. All right. What's the three inch thickness? Right, right, right. It's like a dock. It's like building a dock. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, so this will be constructed basically the same as the no fee residence where it has the dead man supports going into the block. And again, they're using the low pressure excavator to get those steel beams down. And then, you know, we're going to be using the steel beams to build the block. And then, you know, we're going to be using the steel beams to build the block. And then, you know, we're going to be using the steel beams to build the block. And they'll be using the property owners association for all of the construction material and staging. So it'll be solely on that property. Both projects are going to be done at the same time? I spoke . . . so Rich Otrowski said that no fee's probably going to start his first, and then it'll tie into the Lewin Hills property. Separate contractors? Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm just wondering if you can talk about that. I mean, I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. Same contract. Same contract. I spoke, so Rich Otrowski said that NOFI's probably going to start his first, and then it'll tie into the Lewin Hills property. Separate contractors? Same contractor. Same contractor, I'm assuming because they both used you as the design professional. So it just makes sense to start probably from the easterly property, move west, and then they'll tie into the new retaining wall on the Lewin Hills Association property. That is the plan. Yeah. It's a work-west story. So all the building material and all the work will actually go through that easement area? That little courtyard, yeah. And as far as DEC is concerned, it's sort of the same thing. They received a title wetlands permit pursuant to Article 25. It's good through April 22nd of 2029. And as with the other applications, DEC is requiring that vegetated berm on the top just to prevent the stormwater from running down the bluff. The town engineer found the documents acceptable for construction, and they approved this as well. And as with the other application, they're bringing in about 50 cubic yards of clean fill, which is exempt from Chapter 229 because it says the material imported shall not exceed 1,000 cubic yards per year, and this is only 50 cubic yards. What about drainage? Self-contained on the drainage? Well, we have to do, DEC requires you to do the berm. The top of the bluff? Okay. To retain any runoff? Correct. Yeah, and then the no-fee property, like that's residential, so they're required any sort of stormwater runoff, like from the house, they're required to contain it on site. That's town code. Okay. Now, who's responsible for any of the cleanup of the construction or any damage, you know, that could occur? Who's responsible for that? That would be, I'm assuming the home, no-fee, the homeowner would be responsible for anything that happens on their property. The looming? Okay. Okay. The Looming Hills Association of Properties. What kind of damage should you report? Well, I'm just saying you're bringing in equipment and everything else. You're going to have tracks and, you know, dump truck dumping the dirt off. Yeah, the contractor will, you know, regrade that to, you know, buy it to the loan. Okay, and he'll bring it back to, you know, natural whatever? Yeah, I mean, a requirement of a building permit, the contractor, the GC, has to provide their insurances, so liability, workers' comp, and disability. So the liability, I would think they would assume anything if the Looming Hills Property Association, if there's damage to their property, but that's something that would be worked out between the contractor and the Looming Hills Property Owners Association. Okay, all right. So as with the other application, I have a resolution on to approve this, just so they can move forward and get their building permits. Do you have any other questions? Heather, does the building permit require them to regrade to close it out? I mean, I'd have to speak to Andreas. So they're bound by whatever DEC. Really, the DEC is the fist thing that the DEC approves. Really, the DEC is the fist thing that the DEC approves. Really, the DEC is the fist thing that the DEC approves. Really, the DEC approves. and then they go and they get their building permits but really the biggest thing for us I think is that berm that the EC is requiring so the 219 approvals make them subject to any and all conditions and requirements of the DC permits okay so if I put in those berms in it's not going to divert water and and cause erosion in other areas like on other people's property and I don't want to be yourself contain I don't think they're large enough to make that much of an impact they're only about I think 10 to 12 inches high and I did refer this to drew and engineering so I think that if there were any concerns he would have brought them up in his review

next up they have mad charters 1125 old country road yes so now I'll have the applicant come up Paul Velasque Paul you can come up

yeah yes so 1125 old country road if the board's familiar this is the old blockbuster building on the west side of the city of New York and it's a lot of building on the west side of the city of New York and it's a lot of building on building on the west side of the city of New York and it's a lot of space space green and some staples. So this is an administrative site plan for basically facade improvements. They're going to be replacing all the windows on site in kind. There's going to be a new exterior stucco facade and then that wood, if you're familiar, there's like some wood trim that's in poor condition. That's going to be replaced with pretty plank. So really just a nice cleanup for this site that needs a little help. They're also going to be repaving the parking lot, doing some plantings in there as well, repaving the sidewalks that are on site. And as you can see here, doing some cross access, which for this site is really good because there isn't any right now. There's some informal in the back, but no real cross access. In terms of secret, this is a type two. You know, just as I described, this is up on 58 and 1125 Old Country Road, shopping center zoning use district. There's an AT&T now and an Ale Salon and I think the Blockbuster's been vacant since Blockbuster left. Yes. Yeah, which is a long time now. It had some pop-up Halloween things. Oh yeah, Halloween. Yeah. I think there's some stuff going on there. Customs. I see. The access strips on your site? Yep. They're not built yet? Not built yet. They will be? They will be. I'm going to go in my report. I got to go through it a little bit. So we did get a cross-access plan, building elevations, a copy of a survey and a narrative, as well as some renderings of what the building's going to look like. That should all have been in your packet. I think it's a nice improvement to what's there. It's a nice improvement. cleanup so if you looked at the pictures that are in my staff report you can kind of see the 58 side of the building has one style brick and then the back has a different style brick so this is going to really help everything mesh together well in terms of cross-axis they show two 24 foot wide cross-access on the plan here and here we got a nice title reports about this thick on the property the good thing is that back in 1989 and 1990 when the site plan was approved for this it was a requirement that they file cross-access to all adjacent parcels um i don't it doesn't appear that that ever got filed um weren't it required as part of this application but they are legal one on the east one on the west yeah so it said so a condition of approval was to file it to all adjacent uh parcels it didn't get filed but we can enforce that now but he does file that and then in 2006 which i think is when they were doing work on the larger piece they actually did file across cross-axis easement and you can see I did a snippet of it in our in your in the staff report which shows it here it also shows it back here which is where the informal cross-axis is now you can see there's like a dirt driveway right there that people drive through when I was taking pictures and actually drove through there it's kind of hopping off the curb I don't know that we really need it in the back as long as it functions across the side I'd like to see something at least a future cross-axis to this parcel is you what you can't see in this plan is this fronts on 58 and then there's a flag lot here that comes down so really to get the full connection so I think this would be fine for future future here and then to open this one which would really help the situation Matt who owns the the lot to the south to this set that dirt you know with so that's all part of the shopping center the shop okay I'm like a now the dirt is part of nothing so it's part of our okay all right are you going to improve that are you gonna leave that to me that more parking it's gonna stay the way it is I've in as a condition approval of us for a re-veg obviously put the lawn back in maybe some plantings back there but yeah we're gonna have to do a little bit of cleanup so people aren't driving on it anymore which the opening here will help them from doing that hasn't been to ARB yet but it's gonna go to ARB next Wednesday that's a condition of approval so is there gonna be a curbing there so people can't drive through there's there's curb now I think so what's interesting right now we're going to re-vegetate I'm sorry Paul Klosky owner of 111 it's actually 1105 that's for a blockbuster so but the entire parcel is 1125 1125 old country road thanks for your time so to discuss anything on cross-access we're willing to do whatever you guys require and file it I do believe these were file I'll try and get that and whether it's two on the side or however you want to do it this back area for now we will re-vegetate and if needed we'll re-vegetate and if needed we'll re-vegetate you know put up a fence along the back if you want to put that as we would like that just so just kind of a heads up McLean will be submitting something down the road potentially for a phase two there to do more parking in a smaller building if we could meet do it without a variance but right now our goal is just to clean up the existing building in sight but yes this is being you literally today I was parked there and there's a dumpster there and the lady came up and said can you relocate the dumpster so we could cross access in a Honda Accord yeah it was a little car when I was there and I felt bad because she's a creature of habit because we've only owned it three weeks right and she actually lives in the Honda Accord sleeps there and every single day at the same exact time she pulls into the blockbuster and stays there all day reading the paper I felt bad but I did give her the heads up that our goal is to revegetate that soon because it is it's a disaster I mean you know I'm not sure if I'm gonna be able to get it out of the way but I'm just gonna try to times a day minimum yeah from what i've just seen it looks like it's been driven over quite a bit so yeah our goal is definitely to immediately improve it and then you know we could do a you know four foot code compliant fence along the back for now and then eventually it will be parking and potentially regardless it will be something successful well let me just say it's tnc i'm just going to ask you if they could be worth it to have a curb cut there for somebody in a wheelchair or somebody uh we're pushing a baby carriage or something would be able to access one parking lot to the other so it's so those drive in this easement it says it's for vehicular and pedestrian cross access so it would have to be at a grade that i guess meets ada so a little bit of a grade change that's another big thing so the reason why we're gonna redo the parking lot is because i've i dated back to like the 40s um this this building was like the first building around yes it was and i think it had some sort of farm aspect to it because they're the only ones that dug out the rear point every elevation behind it is higher than there and i believe it was for a loading dock an inexpensive way to create a loading dock because of that back ramp on blockbuster but we will raise the grade so it's level without affecting anything it should have been natural there's already a ton of drainage there and everything to accept it but we're taking all the water from everywhere around so instead of just redilling the asphalt we would bring it up roughly um six to eight inches depending on to to fix that so that's 88 compliant cross-axis okay didn't zambo was amber well drilling didn't he build that i'm not sure i think yeah yeah here's your oh he built that yeah yeah the front part was the first building which was the original brick and the red brick in the back was what they added on so the front is wood the back is steel and the whole thing is actually a cinder block brick-based building so that's one of the ways that we can make it better without demoing the building with the stock up the only question i have is that the frame decking in the back on the west side are you keeping that no because we're going to regrade this so you don't need that so the sidewalks would remain and that deck would become a sidewalk so in terms of the grading we would like to see a grading and drainage plan no problem uh if you can bring it in we can we can approve this and have you come back to approve that so just wait so the town you know what um right now the goal is we're going to make the facade McLean's literally going to submit next week everything else whether two weeks from now because our goal number one right now you can see we replaced the roof because it was leaking I can't believe this tenants in there and the only work we're doing in the front where you see the blue skin is all the flashing came down to the secondary awning we're not touching the siding until the ARB approves whatever they approve but right now we did the roof the the windows and the flashing only but I could do a full yes so what I'll say you know with McLean immediately I'm just going to recommend a condition that prior to any grading or deal like that will be included as a conditional approval prior to I'm issuing to the building that's great I have one more question what type of signage were you going to put out is it going to be like one side in front of building or each building or each building or each building or each building or each building or each building is just what is this so what's there now is each store gets their own there's two signs currently and then and then we'd like to get rid of the road sign so it's ugly we've already cut it cut the wood top oh I just need to just fold transparency I need to just make sure the leases with the two tenants that are there are okay with it we as owners want it on it's ugly and I don't think it's needed that people know where they're going right now Matt what you did that the gentleman takes it down does he need a new permit to put up another one yes yep so that you just remember that oh yeah absolutely I didn't take it down right they had like so that would all over it but we're happy to and if it's preferred I would then send that letter to the tenants saying you know let's get rid of this it's AT&T they're a little difficult with science okay in terms of landscaping they do show some boxwoods in the front create myrtle in the back parking lot there were street trees in front I know they weren't in great shape shape but all of them with that and we'll put we'll look for some new street street trees subject to planning staff we won't be guys okay with that I think there were four or five in the front just to replace them in kind with stuff that's in better shape so I do have a resolution on to approve this it is going to be amended as we discussed to take out the reference for my large we don't reference my large anymore and we will add a condition that prior to any I would say regrading of the property import or export of material will need to approve a great dream edge plan okay the only just so you drive by the back we're going to see this weekend the sandy area but to see that tractor we're not taking fill away that's okay I just there's two reasons the excavator is there to crush the dumpsters because the and also to just regrade the property and then we'll be able to get it back to the great that without removal or anything in the back yeah that's fine that's good thank you for your time any questions thank you so just when you vote remember as amended hey next we have sandy pond mini golf with Greg Bergen and I'm going to go ahead and give you a little bit of a quick update on the status of the sandy pond mini golf course as the board will recall you recently granted approval for the construction of the 18-hole mini golf course with the associated parking lot related improvements during the review of that application as you recall there was an existing application that was not approved and we're going to be able to review that application and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll go ahead and review it and then we'll that area was required as a 20-foot wide non disturbance buffer however I did and it was recorded in the minutes of the meeting when we discussed it that I acknowledge that some selective cleaning up of the area you know removal of like dead brush and scrub stuff would be acceptable as long as it was done in close concert with the planning staff to make sure that the area just didn't get clear-cut so on April 24th I received a call I met mr. star who's the project sponsor out of the site I went through that buffer we probably spent about a half hour on site discussing the status of the buffer of the vegetation at that time you know I had informed him that as we had discussed I wouldn't be opposed to some selective removal of dead vegetation so I had instructed him to one mark out where that 20-foot non-disturbance and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site and I would go to the site fist fist ! could actually identify what's in the buffer, what's outside the buffer. And then he was told and he agreed that he was going to go flag, you know, specific, you know, significant vegetation, significant trees, what was going to remain and what was going to stay. He was then supposed to call me for a follow-up to essentially verify what he had flagged, if I saw anything else that stuck out that we wanted to keep. Long story short, that call never happened. Member Zilnicki actually brought to my attention that following week. So I went out to the site on May 2nd, and as you can see on the second page of the staff report, you can really see the before and after. Probably saved about a dozen trees in that buffer area, which to the extent that I'm thankful that he retained those trees, I am. But again, it was just sort of very frustrating that we had an understanding of the process that we were going to have, you know, the board, as well as I like to think, like, you know, we're going to have a lot of people on the board, and we're going to have a lot of people on the board. So I was sort of told the answer, well, my guys were there on the weekend, and they just went nuts. To me, that doesn't really fly, you know, like, you're the boss, you're the boss, the buck stops with you. If your guys go and sort of overclear, really, that's on you. So that's what this sketch is all about. Yeah, so and again, so in in short order, very quickly after it was brought to my attention, I went out and for Mr. Stark, he provided me with a proposed landscaping plan for that northeastern corner, which would cover that buffer area, as well as a portion of the northern property line, which is shared with Mr. Terry's processing yard to the north. The plan that he provided is very substantial, calls for a significant amount of plantings. They're substantial size substantial species. I mean, there's probably nearing 100 plants in this area. I did have Heather, who's our resident green thumb, she reviewed it. And that. So I support this plan. A couple of recommendations. So basically, I would like this plan to be shown on the revised young and young site plan. And I'm going to be showing you a lot of the changes in the space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space space sure that these trees don't accidentally come down again no one gets a tray both those are happy so identify and flag the existing trees on a landscaping plan they are proposing cornus kusa those should be replaced with cornus florida as that's a native vegetation um i'd recommend a two foot burn be shown on that and on that landscape buffer area just to help raise those plants up provide better screening and that these plans are in addition to they still have to provide the proposed street trees that were shown on the previously approved site plan and that any additional landscaping throughout the site this is just supplementing that so it's not replacing anything um so i would i'll transmit these recommendations to mr stark before we have an approval at the next meeting i would like to see that revised plan i noticed he's bringing a bringing in i think suppose the boulders yeah so uh yeah i believe they're native native boulders um which is interesting uh native or non-native but yeah so they are just again just just landscaping elements you know i mean i don't have a problem with the boulders and the landscaped areas um so that's that just we're here to just the board has any objections i mean again in an optimal world i will acknowledge as i said before from the start the existing buffer was not particularly attractive but if this plan had come in from the start that's how it should have happened not i'm just going to come in as you recall the plan origin the note on the original plan just said selective removal and augmentation which is really very vague in my opinion if this plan would have come in from the start we would have had no problems with it this would have been approved along with the landscaping it's just really not the way the the process should happen right yeah i think that's a good point greg i gotta agree with you because when i drove past it the next day i had called brian and i said brian what did you do and one of the things that and it's not just brian but any application that comes in front of the planning department and us we all have rules and regulations codes that we have to follow our vote goes according to code and everything else not our opinion uh it makes it very difficult to make decisions in an ideal way and we're going to and puts people in tough places when he goes out or anyone goes out and does whatever they want. And it's not just this situation, but other applications that they do the same thing. What he's got to realize is that you guys work real hard to get things done the right way. You may not agree with all the codes, because I don't agree with all of them 100%, but work with us, you know, because don't blame people for things that you did, you know. And he's going to do a beautiful job. That's not the question. But just work with us. That's all we ask for. I agree. I appreciate those sentiments, and I absolutely agree. It's like asking for forgiveness. Correct. And again, if this came in, this will be a beautiful landscaping plan. It'll be vibrant. It'll provide effective screening. Just it should have happened in the process. And you know what? I'm sure there was more than enough work that still needs to be done on the site where those trees didn't, need to be immediately removed. You know, I'm sure he's still working right now, so there's no question that, okay, let me stay out of the buffer for now, and I'll address the 50 other things that I've got to do on the site, so. Right. I think it's a good idea to take the assessment, make the assessment now of what's there, and then we know. Again, I'm sure at the end of the day, it's all going to look beautiful. Yeah. The boldness he can pick up from, you know, from his neighbors, I'm sure he's got a million of them. Yeah. So. Got a couple of native boulders. It'll be beautiful. And just, you know, speaking to the inventory of existing trees, this is something that we're really going to press, press more for when we get site plan applications that have existing vegetation. It's something not that this board is necessarily under their purview, but I review a lot of applications when I take in applications for the Conservation Advisory Council, which deal with applications for development along the waterway, the riverfront. And we've had several applications recently where we've had them do detailed inventories of trees within non-disturbance buffers. A lot of times what we'll see is we'll get an application or, you know, done after the fact where it sort of puts us behind the eight fall where we don't know what was there, what the quality, what the condition of it was. But when we get these applications and we have a verified tree inventory, now we have a baseline to establish where if several years down the road, we're going to have a tree inventory, we're going to have a baseline to establish where if several years down the road we go and see that it's completely cleared, we have something that we can verify and say, well, on this date, at this time, you had 45 trees of, you know, this caliper throughout the buffer area. So it gives us a lot more inventory and a lot more, I don't want to say ammunition, but it gives us a baseline to establish what was there if we need to, you know, pursue measures to have them revegetate. Just to work together, Greg. You know, that's the biggest thing. Yeah. You know. So, again, I'm going to go back to the question. Again, I will transmit the recommendations I would anticipate at the next meeting, the first meeting in June, that these plans would be translated over to a formal landscaping plan and we could have an approval on to a resolution on to approve. Okay.

Good job, Greg.

Now we move on to public comments on the resolution. Is anybody on Zoom? No Zoom. No Zoom today? Anybody in the public? No.

Okay. So we'll move up to the resolutions. I'll move resolution 2024-036 for the no fee resident to Chapter 219. So moved. Second. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Baird? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Aye. And I'm yes. Resolution approved. I'll move resolution number 2437, granting Chapter 219 approval. Second. And has its waste in Lewin Hills Association. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Aye. Mr. Nenari? Aye. Yes. I'm a yes. Resolution approved. Resolution 20-24038, 1124 Old Country Road, the facade improvements, result clearing administration approval for a site plan application which proposes exterior alterations to an existing multi-unit retail building. Second. As amended. As amended. As amended. Sorry. As amended. I'll second. Can we get a second? Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Baird? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Aye. And I'm yes. Resolution approved. Just clarifying. Resolution 39, there was an error in the agenda. This is to assume lead agency and issue a negative contract. There was a, just a little holdover from a prior application, prior information. So this is an application to assume lead agency and issue a negative declaration. I'll move resolution number 39, which assumes lead agency status and issues a negative declaration pursues the sequel for the plan on 2nd Street townhouses. Second. Okay. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Baird? Yes. Mr. Nenari? Aye. Ms. Baird? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? Aye. Ms. Bamboli? June 6th at 6 p.m. 6 p.m. motion to adjourn so moved

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