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Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you, Justice Raul.

Okay. We have no public hearings today, and first up on our discussion items is Carson Woods, Major Subdivision, with Greg Bergen. Good afternoon, Greg. Good afternoon. All right. So this will be a pretty quick follow-up on an application that the Planning Board has made. We're reviewing. As you'll recall, back in November of 2023, this Board approved two maps. One was an as-of-right yield map, which was a nine-lot yield map. The second was an eight-lot Long Island Workforce Housing Act-compliant sketch plan. And this is a proposed major subdivision of a vacant wooded 20-acre parcel located in Jamesport. It's located at the... It's located at the terminus of Fox Lane and Zamaki Lane. It shares its property boundaries to the east with a preserved farmland. To the west, there is a town of Riverhead flood control parcel, as well as several single-family residents to the west and along Fox Lane. So the applicant, in the furtherance of the eight major subdivision applications, submitted the preliminary plat, along with the grading and engineering, the road and drainage profiles, and an amended full... environmental assessment form. So at this point, the application is an unlisted action pursuant to SECRA. We are recommending that the Planning Board request lead agency and commence coordinated SECRA review. Now that we have the layout of the subdivision and the proposed water mains, we can analyze the impacts of it. I did note that there were two things that stuck at that will require... need to be addressed and looked at through the SECRA review. One of them on page 12 of the EAF, it is noted that the subject property is a... potential habitat or within the vicinity of the northern long-eared bat habitat. So this would have impacts on potential clearing restrictions, which are restricted to between December 1st and February 28th of any calendar year. And the full EAF also indicates that the project site is located in or adjacent to a potentially archaeologically sensitive area. So during the coordination process, we will refer the plans to the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation, and Historic Preservation. As the Board may recall, when we were reviewing the sketch plan of this application, I believe it was Chairman Danzeski, he recommended, in addition to the northern portion of the lot being clustered, he recommended the retention of a 50-foot buffer along the eastern property line, which will be incorporated into that open space. As you can see on the bottom of page 4, what that will accomplish is that will sort of keep that existing tree line along that preserved farm field. So it'll keep that vista. You'll be looking at the backs of residential properties. What was the reason then for keeping the buffer? The buffer? Because of the trees? So one of the original sketch plans that we reviewed just had the northern portion. Justin, can we zoom out a little bit on the map? A little bit more? So you may recall when we originally... One of the first sketch plans we looked at just had this northern portion of the property as preserved. Chairman Danzeski recommended incorporating a 50-foot buffer along this eastern boundary. So like I said, on page 4, on the bottom of the staff report of page 4, you can see a screenshot of the vista. That is taken looking in the northwesterly direction across that preserved farm field. So Ed, when he recommended that, the thought was, the retention of that tree line across that farm field, so that way it doesn't just get cleared and you're looking at the backs of residential properties. Sorry. Really just good design criteria and consideration. It is one of the things that the Town Code cluster requirement has the Board consider. One of them is specifically Town Code Section 301.296 .4. Cluster requirement. One of them is specifically Town Code Section 301.296 .4. 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That's something that we have done on other subdivisions because a lot of times what happens is people just sort of encroach into buffer areas and all of a sudden the trees are gone. So that was one thing I did ask the board to consider. For the Villas of Roanoke up on Soundshore Road, we did require a split rail fence. Again, just to provide some type of physical delineation to identify to somebody, like here's where your property ends. So, I mean, does the board agree that there should be some type of fencing along that buffer? It's either that or you run those lines right up to the property line. Yeah. Because the encroachment obviously will take place. Yeah. Greg, just to the east of it is the sod farm. Correct. Right, right. What I like about the 50-foot buffer is that when they do do the plowing and the disking, it does get dusty and it does help with the residential space. On the west of that buffer, you may lose sight of the beautiful sod farm, but you can't have everything. Yeah. I mean, I think it just, again, one of the criteria for clustering does consider to reduce to the maximum extent practicable any nuisance or conflict between residential and agricultural uses. Right. So, I mean, again, the board in its approval of the sketch plan, the preliminary plot just really formalizes the sketch plan and lays out the engineering of it. Right. In its approval of the sketch plan, I really think the board took into consideration all of these factors and considering the size of the property and its unique features, being that it's vacant and wooded, really presented and approved the optimal sketch plan for this property. They will be coming. They will propose an extension of Fox Lane, which will extend the right-of-way. And there they are going to install the water mains and hydrants. Just a couple of things. Did you say that fencing will be included? Well, I mean, again, that's a question for the board to consider. I think we should. We had brought that up before, and I believe that during that last go-around with this and the approval with it, we also had a neighbor who was farming right next door, and one of his concerns was the fact that he didn't want to be told that, well, you can't go, you can't do your thing early in the morning. Because I'm a farm. I've been there. Now you're a house. You know, and so it's very well stated in here that they outline what farming is and when it takes place and whatever. Correct. And that's in our right-to-farm code. So, I mean, there will have to be a note on the map, and there will have to be CNRs that are filed on the property. Basically, like you said, too, when you buy this property, you're acknowledging and you're aware that you're next to an agricultural operation and that there are noise, odors, dust, et cetera. Right. Right. [transcription gap] Mr. Finnegan about is the open space area. So the open space on this subdivision is going to be about 12.8 acres One of the considerations in our subdivision code says that it needs to indicate whether the subdivision will be dedicated to the town governmental body or an approved private conservation corporation or to a property owners association That's just something I mean, we don't need to know that at this point But as before we get towards any approvals that is something we'll need to address The applicant should really just consider what the ultimate intention is. So I mean again Just regarding the state of the property Our town code it is located in the agricultural protection zone Which states that the purpose is to preserve prime agricultural soils now This property is unique in that it does contain essentially a hundred percent of prime agricultural soils, but it is not farmed and it is wooded So when you go back and you look at figure one in the staff report That's a really high level overview Of the area this is one of the last wooded tracts of land in that area so, I mean I would consider that a unique feature so I would recommend that the area be Required to be remain in this natural state Now do they get a reduction in taxes since it's open space How does that work right? I have been instructed by our assessor not to comment on taxes We can have her come in Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to put my foot in my mouth mouth with something. I mean, you're living in its open space. I mean, somebody has to pick up the taxes. Are the homeowners there? If it's going to be in a property owners association, I mean, somebody would be paying a tax bill on it. I mean, again, what it's assessed at and what the tax, the actual value of it is, that I can't comment on. But there would be no development potential, so I'm sure that would affect its taxable value. Would the town be interested in looking at it? I have raised that question, and I was told no, that we would not be taking it. It creates a liability issue, a maintenance issue. Again, not that there's really any maintenance of open space. Because you're considering it as lot 9 of the sub- Lots need to be labeled and numbered on a map, so it is considered lot 9, but it is the result of clustering. There would be no development potential there. One question around the recharge basin. Are they going to be trees somewhat set up? I know you have to dig your base and everything else, but when you're pulling into a development like that, and then you see the recharge basin right to the right, is there any way to tree that area before? So there are landscaping requirements and tree planting requirements in our road and drainage standards. So that recharge basin would have to be designed to town standards, which would include fencing and landscaping. So that way you don't just see an open recharge pit.

And one other note regarding the recharge basin. The map right now shows a proposed gas main easement running through the eastern side of that recharge basin. I would just recommend that any recharge basin that would be owned by the town should not be in the house. So I think that would be pretty easy to sort of just flip that gas main to the western part of the open space and encumber that portion with the easement. That's a pretty simple fix. So the next steps in the application. I have a resolution on it to classify the action and circulating lead agency requests to involved agencies. I'll be able to get out the coordination materials this afternoon. We would wait. There's a 30-day required question. So I think that's pretty simple. So I think that's pretty simple. There's a 30-day required coordination period after which we can make a determination of significance. I would advise the applicant, I would anticipate some comments coming back from SHPO about a phase one archaeological assessment because it is in a potentially archaeologically sensitive area. So I'd probably advise the applicant to begin that so we can reduce any time after that coordination period. Okay. Anybody have anything? No. We're good. We're good? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. [transcription gap] Okay, next up we have BP Gas Station Facade and Site Works with Matt Charters. Good afternoon, Matt. How are you doing? Big Big? How are you doing? Yeah, from High Point Engineering. Sure, from High Point? Just introduce yourself for the record, please. Sure. Good afternoon. My name is Andrew Stewart, S-T-U-A-R-T, from High Point Engineering. We're here as the engineer of record on behalf of our applicant BP Products N.A. for the application in front of you. All right, pretty straightforward on this one. We have an administrative site plan application. This is to redo the facade. If the board recalls back in 2021, there was an administrative site plan to do it. Put it upside down? Yeah. Sorry. Got your thing. Yeah, all right. To do. I do have the same thing. I have the same thing. In Atlanta, it's convenience store with the 16-seat Dunkin' Donuts and some site work on the site. During a final inspection, as the planning staff did, they went up to the site. Obviously, it's not Atlanta anymore. It looks like it's marked BP, so we didn't require them to come in to modify the elevations. All the other site work looks like it's been done according to the original approval. This would just be to approve the BP facade. So they're replacing the fascia on both the building and the... The building. The building. And the canopy. And doing a little milling. Right. The maintenance. Paving. Just some maintenance. Paving. That's pretty much it. Nothing's going to be changing with the tanks or anything like that. It's just strictly facade. Facade. Facade. And pavement maintenance, basically. Yeah. So condition of approval. They'll have to go to ARB next week to get their sign off. Other than that, all the conditions of their original approval will still apply. So this is just for the facade. Matt, all the parking. I see they did striping already. Yep. There's enough hardwood. Yeah. All the hardwood. [transcription gap] There's enough parking for the Dunkin' Donuts. No Dunkin' Donuts anymore. Just a convenience store. Oh. That was the old application. Sorry. Same number of spaces. Yep. Thank you. Appreciate it. Is this going to be a 24-hour operation or is it. To be honest, I'm not familiar with the hours of. Whatever was previously approved. It's staying the same as it was. There's nothing changed from the previous approvals. I don't think it was specified actually. Okay. actually. Do you remember what it was? I don't think so. I don't recall. Did it specify, Greg? I mean, I don't think Industrial B has any restriction on hours of operation. It's Industrial B. One would assume, but it's not. There's no restrictions on 24-hour business. Alright. Anybody have anything? No. That's it. Thank you very much, gentlemen. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Have a great day.

Next up is Venezia Square with Matt Travis.

Okay, good.

I'm Ben Corrado. I'm with McLean Associates. We are a traffic consultant to the town of Riverhead. Good afternoon. Chick Voorhees of Nelson Pope Voorhees, environmental planning consultants to the applicant. Thank you. Sure. And Dale Koch with Bowler Engineering, civil engineer for the applicant. Okay. A little bit of an oldie but a goodie to kind of sum everything up so members of NICU know what we're talking about here. This is Venetia Square. It is a site plan application on 25A at 6435 Route 25A in Wading River just to the east of the Rothwell Funeral Home opposite Dogwood Drive. They are coming in for 27,000 square feet of retail with two 10,000 square foot buildings and one 7,000 square foot building, one 4,000 square foot bank with a drive-thru, one 6,000 square foot building containing a 3,000 square foot 76 seat restaurant. And two 1,500 square foot takeout restaurants with 16 feet each, 16 seats each. I'm sorry. If the board recalls back in June of last year, June 8th, 2023, we retained LKMA to review the traffic report that was supplied by the applicant on this. Obviously, review's been going on for quite some time, but we're in a good place at this point to review and talk about next steps. They are proposing a light at the Dogwood Drive intersection as well as some changes to the signal time. We're also looking at Wading River, Manor Road and Route 25A. I can turn it over to Vin to kind of summarize where they're at and then we'll move forward. Thanks. The application with the traffic impact study was written by Schneider Engineering and it was reviewed fairly extensively by my former boss, Ray Tobias, who retired in January. There was a number of rounds of comments, all of which were resolved. They successfully mitigated. They're traffic, they're actually the driveway that they're proposing opposite Dogwood wouldn't function without the traffic signal. So, and the applicant has agreed to install it. Obviously, that's a function of permitting from New York State DOT. There's a letter from State DOT from May of this year saying that they conceptually agree with the installation of the signal pending a whole bunch of conditions being met. One of which is the installation of left turn lanes on. 25A, one for Dogwood and one for turns into the site. The applicant has also offered to provide a dedication to put sidewalk along the frontage on 25A. DOT usually requires that as a function of development on their right of way. So, as far as we're concerned, we've been waiting to see the traffic signal plans that meet the requirements of the DOT. But we have not seen them. Yet. I understand they're under development, but it would be installation. The signal, I think, would be beneficial in general for that area because it would also allow safer left in and out of Dogwood and also create gaps on 25A to for other driveways locally to make left on and off 25A, which is difficult. But, you know, all that being said, the change of zone or the approval, in my opinion, should be conditioned on the ultimate goal. The ultimate approval and installation of that traffic signal. I have an objection with the traffic light and actually where the driveway is opposite Dogwood Drive like that. Out of all the roads in the Wading River leading to 25A, Dogwood Drive is on a steep incline. And in the past two years, they just put this rails to trails and they call it. It's a bicycle, jogging, pedestrian path that people exercise on. Okay. Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you. [transcription gap] just to come across the dogwood drive without looking okay a couple weeks ago a kid was hit it wasn't reported my neighbor saw it cost stopped and knocked the kid to the ground or the skateboard he got up said I'm okay and we're you off okay another time a school bus was coming down the street and a car stopped for a pedestrian and the school bus had a zip around the car going into oncoming traffic to avoid rear-ending the car my concern with a traffic light there is when you get to 25 a you know you have to stop at a stop sign if there's a green light on 25 a and people they'd say I want to make this light now they juice it a little bit in order to make the light whether they're gonna make a left turn or a right turn or go straight across into the new shopping center I think it can cause a problem there's a little church on the east side of the street where they have functions especially this time of year they have basketball at night for kids and stuff this kids running back across the street they usually Sunday morning for their services they put people out on the street with cones to try to slow people down but they're not always successful people will do what people do you know they're in a hurry to go somewhere they're not slowing down for anybody and I think what would happen with this driveway being right across from Dogwood if if traffic is slow on 25 a anybody who lives north of 25 a up near the fire house behind st. John's Church or going over off North Waiting River Road people will be taken to up with drivers a shortcut going up to Gali I have I live on Dogwood and I have people from North Country Road and from those streets up in that area they drive by always saw you cutting your grass we see you washing your hands and you're washing your hands. you know everybody let you know what so I know people are going out of their way to avoid the intersection on Waiting River Manor Road and 25 25 a and using Dogwood as a shortcut and if there's gonna be a restaurants in there like food deliveries and stuff people get new reach you're gonna get these people running up and down the street also I just think it's a poor mix with that rails to the trails would because you get people coming off the thing they have their rail buds in there on their bicycles there's a lot of people coming up so you have to clear yourself so you have to clear yourself so you have to clear yourself so you have to clear yourself so you have to clear yourself so stop signs, but they don't. And I think these are raw functions of the notion that the development would go there. It doesn't change the fact that the signal would make the operation of their driveway better. I completely understand your concerns, legitimate concerns. But we look at it from the aspect of access to this particular drive. Those are considerations for the board to take into account as to whether or not you're approving it. I'd much rather see the exit be further to the east. And no other store in Waiting River has a traffic light in front of it. A lot of them, they have signs up that says, exit to the right only. If the capacity analysis shows that the driveway won't function, won't provide acceptable levels of service, so there have to be significant turn restrictions there, I would believe that I would think that the applicant, the reason why they're willing to foot the bill for a pretty expensive traffic signal would be to allow the left in and out. Without the traffic signal, turn restrictions would have to be imposed on the operation of the driveway. That's entirely, like I said, approval of it the way it is right now I think should be conditioned on installation of the traffic signal. If you object to the traffic signal, then change the traffic signal. You just have to be made the way that the property gets access. That's all for you guys to consider. Yeah, it's gonna make, I mean, we're gonna rely on LKMA here. They are traffic experts. I mean, Vin's a traffic engineer. He knows, I understand your concerns, John. Generally, a signalized infrastructure's always gonna be more safer than an unsignalized infrastructure or an intersection that only has a stop sign. I would say this could be leaning on someone with an enforcement issue. If people are speeding in the area, we could talk to the chief about that, but I'm gonna rely that a signal is, you know, based on the data and the traffic study that was presented and reviewed, is gonna improve the situation there. I'd be willing to bet that there are more traffic accidents at 25A and Waiting River Mountain Road than there are at Thorpewood Drive and 25A. Yeah, but this is gonna make that- Now you're gonna add more to it. It's gonna make the other intersection function better as well, because it's gonna, like as Vin said, it's gonna provide gaps. They're gonna change the timing on that light as well, so. There's better yellow times that are longer. I don't really have much more to add than based on the level of improvement they need to do the signal to mitigate their development. And it's gonna improve that stretch of road. Matt, do you, turning signal, I mean the light itself is more appropriate than turning lanes? It's gonna have to have both. If you, the DOT comments that I sent out in the packet, they have to have, I believe, right in, left turn lanes. I think DOT just said left turn, yeah, both directions. Yeah, I have it here. Signal left, both directions. Post traffic signal design shall include eastbound and westbound left turn lanes, crosswalks across New York State at 25A. The existing bike lanes shall be preserved at the intersection. So this was included in the previous review from 2018, but they're recommending that you still do that.

Yeah. And I think that's the way, and something should be done at that spot where the pedestrian crossing is on Dogwood Drive. Either make people stop there or something, or speed bump there. Something needs to be done. Push button? Yeah, it'd be a push button. That's for PED crossing on 25A. I think he's referring to the PED, the trail, right? I'm talking about the trail. The trail is stop sign controlled, right? Yeah. The trail has stop sign control, not on Dogwood. It's stop signs for pedestrians. That's right. It's not stop signs for the vehicles. Right, exactly. Dogwood is not controlled. The trail is controlled. It has stop signs on it, right? With that being said, the stop signs are about eight feet up in the air. Yeah, so you don't hit your head on them when you're on the bicycle. Well, you're all kid. No, so you don't hit your head on them when you're on the bicycle. Might be, yeah. I know further west on the trail that they do have sensor-based crossings, so it'll actually light the crosswalk. I mean, they're expensive, but that's something for the town to consider, obviously. Yeah, you could put PED actuated, a rectangular rapid flashing beacon there that would stop traffic. I mean, again, you're right. They are expensive. I'm not sure how many people on bicycles would stop to push the button. You know what I'm talking about, the flashing lights on the crosswalk? Yeah. They have ones that are actuated that you push a button and you activate it to cross. You know, PEDs would probably use it, but I don't know how many bicyclists would stop to use it. There is one to the west. To the west? Yeah, to the west. Yeah. It has a light on the speed of the tunnel. Okay. You know, John, I understand your concern, and when I take a look at the way it's laid out, there is quite a distance between the intersection of 25A to the entrance to the actual shopping center. I mean, that's a fair amount of space there. I'm not sure if it's 507 feet, is that what it is, but that's a fair amount of... That's the other driveway. There's two driveways. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That would be coming into the center. Because you're not coming directly into it. You've got to come in and then go into the center. The eastern driveway is just for right south, right? Right south. The eastern driveway is for right south. It's channelized. Yep. And then to enter the site, you have to go to the western entrance at the light. Is there a cross-easement? Yep, on both properties. Yeah, both are actually potential there, yeah. Which is nice for those properties. No, I know the owner of the funeral home wanted a headrest. Yep, and that's how you can use it. Yeah, to make left off. Yeah, that's shown here. So he can come out and then it goes to... The property to the east is not developed, but they're showing a... Years ago, they had told him that he would be on the corner. It was supposed to be... Yeah. I thought it was supposed to continue across, you know, 25A, which they've... They decided not to do it. Yeah, and at one point in time, the town was recommending a frontage road, so you can come off, but that recommendation went away when this code came in, recommending the cross-access between sites. So yeah, we're just out for discussion today, obviously to iron out some of these issues. Some out, you know, things that we still need to tie up with the water district. They still need to do their map and plan, which is in the works. I'm told it's high on the pile with H2M, which is a good thing. And then, you know, once we get to the... Once we get to that and cross that bridge, we can bring it back to consider a secret determination and schedule a public hearing. Any other questions? Just the easement to the Mays Farm. Yep. That would go directly to... Now, is it up further north or further south? So it's right at the parking lot south of the retail building. So you see the 10,000-square-foot retail building? Right. That's the easternmost building, just sort of south in that parking lot. That's where it would connect. Okay. And it's pretty much a straight line with the western. So it's going to cross-access. Okay. So no action for that. Any other questions, guys? No. No? No. No, I just want to thank you. I think this is very helpful. This hasn't been in front of the planning board for quite a while. We've been working with staff. As Matt said, the map and plan is in preparation. And Dale Koch from Bowler has submitted the revised DOT plan. We're going to submit that to Matt's office. We'll have that on record. We did have a hearing with the Pine Barrens Commission. This was a question going back over a year. And they are poised to make a decision. We presume it will be an approval because there were no outstanding questions with Pine Barrens. Based on the configuration of the development, we meet the requirements for development of regional significance. Pine Barrens won't make that determination until they get the negative declaration of regional significance. So we're going to have to wait and see. Okay. Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you. [transcription gap] I'll get you a copy of that.

Heather is the last one. No discussion. Oh, no discussion? No. Okay, next up we have public comments on resolutions. All right, I'll move resolution 2024-043, granting administrative approval for the site plan application of BP gas. Second. Vote, please. Aye. Aye. Yes. Yes. Okay, I vote yes. Great. Resolution 2024-044, Carson Woods Major Subdivision. Resolution clarifying a preliminary lot submitted in furtherance of eight lot major residential subdivision. Vote, please. Mr. Panera. Second. I'll second. Mr. Baird. Yes. Panera. Aye. Second. Aye. Resolution approved. Okay, we have resolution, the third one ended here. 2024-45. Recommendation to the town board. Authorizing the transmission of a letter to the town board recommending changes to traffic patterns on East 2nd Street. So moved. Second. Before we get into it, I'd like to have a second consideration. And that is, this is just for one block. I think the whole second, third, second avenue should be all the way. Just one little block. Okay. Just one little block. The way. Yeah. The way we drafted the letter, it's open-ended to look at that basically however the Traffic Safety Committee would like to look at it. So it could be the whole length on each side, correct? Heather wrote it. Well, so when Ed first brought this to the board, he presented us with a map and it looked like the one way was ending. So I can revise the text and letter to make it more vague. Yeah. You know, just say one way on East 2nd Street rather than ending it at East Avenue. But the way that the map that he presented to us with the one way was from on East 2nd Street from East Avenue to Roanoke. And I think that's where we left off on discussion-wise at the last meeting. Yeah. But I can, you know, revise that language. It wasn't at the last meeting. Oh, okay. Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. [transcription gap] there's only two blocks there right there's only two no second East second Street goes pretty long yeah second Street goes all the way down oh I'm concerned about what happens to the parking lot where Social Security is that's just a lot it's a cut there yeah I've got that yeah well I mean a lot of people utilize East Second Street to get to the light on Ostrander as well where the aquarium is where it dumps out onto Main Street so um and you know we can revise this again to make the language a little less pointed and just say you know recommends consideration of one way on East Second Street rather than ending it but I I remember when Ed originally brought this to the board I think it was like a month and a half ago the May 2nd meeting he brought this to the board and he said you know I'm not sure if it's going to be a good idea to have that sort of snapshot from GIS showing where he thought maybe one way would work except to the board yeah it's up to you how you want to leave it I mean do we really need all that extra parking going all the way down Second Street if it's all one way uh most alleviate the issues there in the in those two places that are there you know the beer places problems and they need to really redo that their own parking the town parking area there they really need to redo that yeah just clean it up a bit yeah you know redefine it you can pick up three spots there yeah well that's something 15 to 18 spots two as well you know Greg did sort of a a quick uh drawing of the town parking lot um you know if it were to be reconfigured and the curb cuts on Third Street cleaned up we could probably pick up a lot more parking there um but this letter was just you know the last meeting Ed wanted us to draft a letter to send to the town board um so again if you want I can just revise that one sentence I I'd like to see revised but if the rest of the board wants to go the other way so it's either the whole length or just the target areas that question well Matt I I and Joe I I I agree with you but I think if if we did just and not even if we're going to do or if they think it's a good idea I think you'll get much more push back if you went the whole way because people are so used to going that way

just do you just do you're only going around I mean we don't even have to specify the block I can omit the language it says between East Ave and Roanoke Ave we could just say consider making a portion of East Second Street right-of-way so I'll offer that as a recommendation that's going to go to traffic to the traffic and Safety Committee I mean we can leave it as open as well as we want so they can look at the in an so they can look at in an so they can look at in an so they can look at in an so they can look at in an we want so they can look at it in its entirety and mitigate as needed if they're going to. Yeah, I think the more important thing is that the planning board is recognizing that this is an issue and they want to make a transmission to the town hall to take a look at it. Because it did count from East to Roanoke, East Avenue, you couldn't actually pick up 15 parking spots. Just in that area. I would hate to limit it just to one block and then if there's something 200 feet away that we're not aware of, let them decide. Yeah, so do you want me to just omit the language between East Avenue and Roanoke Avenue and we'll leave the rest of it alone? I think that should be fine. Sure. Is there a recommendation as to the direction that this would go? I'm sorry? Is there a recommendation as to the direction that this would go? I don't know. I know Ed had originally said going westbound, but Greg had brought up maybe going eastbound, so I don't think the board decided on which direction. I think we would probably... I think we would probably leave that to the Traffic Safety Committee and the town board, chief of police, people who are well-versed in traffic flow. Okay. All right. George, is that better? Yeah. Joe, better? All right. Yep. As amended. As amended. Yep. Vote. So, can we have a vote, please? Yes. Mrs. Zanicki? Yes. Mr. Baird? Yes. Mr. Harrell? Aye. Aye vote yes. Resolution adopted. Okay. Okay. See you in a bit. All right. All right. See you in a bit. Do you have any public comments on what matters?

Sid, if you could just use the phone. Oh. Okay.

Hi. Sid Bale, president of Wading River Civic Association. How should I say this diplomatically? Okay. I think there's going to be a high degree of skepticism on the traffic issue with Benicia. I would hope that I'm wrong and everything's going to flow along. Everything is going to move the way Matt hopes that it's going to move. But being on 25A. Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. Not fun, not fun at all. And I hadn't even thought about the issue of the rails, trails, you know, nearby. It's not an easy problem. I'm just concerned that it's going to make things worse. Now here's another thing I'm going to say. It's actually diplomatic and maybe it's my problem. It is very difficult to hear you gentlemen. Yeah, even with the mics. Really? Sitting in the first row, my hearing isn't perfect and I have a lot of respect for Matt. But you are a soft spoken son of a gun. Okay? And, you know, I can't wait to go home now and go to channel 22 and see what. See what he says. I might have missed. I'll come back in the next future meeting and apologize to everyone. But seriously, I am still concerned about the traffic issue and the timing of the two lights and the two intersections. And I know people have certain property rights and I'm aware of what the zoning is and the history of this particular parcel. But I really am concerned about it. But thank you. Thank you. [transcription gap] Oh, we can get back up. Even beyond. Oh. Going west. Going east. I'll move the minutes of May 16th, 2024. So moved. Second. Second please. Second. I'm sorry. Mr. Zicky. Yes. Yes. Hi. Sitting there. I approve. Okay. Any other business? Yeah. What are we doing about July 4th? Okay. July 4th. I am told that. That's because it's a holiday. It's a holiday. Yeah. I'm off from the canceling. So it. Yeah. No meeting. There'll be no meeting. I'm here. [transcription gap] All right. I just didn't know whether it went out on the 5th or the 3rd or something like that. It's out. Wait. Wait. It's good? Yeah. So the next meeting will be what? July 20th or something. Okay. It has here the next meeting. No meeting on the 4th. Thursday, July 18th will be the next meeting. Okay. Cool. Good? Good. Good. Yep. Meeting to adjourn. Meeting adjourned. So moved. Second. Second. Third. Aye. [transcription gap] Aye. [transcription gap] Aye. [transcription gap]

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