September 19, 2024 — Planning Board

Planning Board Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
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10:31splash sneeze guards just a couple of things but that was about it really the
10:38restaurant yeah well like camera you know sneeze guards what if you could see
10:42the food yeah I listed all of that in my stair report actually yeah
10:47additionally you know final connection letter from the sewer district splash
10:50cards menu advisory allergen statement and sneeze guards those are that's
10:54what's listed on the certificate as approvals there is a dumpster that's
11:00going to be relocated from the southerly parking lot to the I guess I'll call it
11:04the central parking area they show it being fenced in I just made a note my
11:10staff report that they'll have to include a detail just to show that it
11:13complies with the screening requirements Town Code Chapter 245 dash 8 so a
11:20stockade fence no less than 5 feet but no more than 6 feet in height just to
11:26appropriately screen it wild about the wooden stockade
11:30there there's a lot of wood there there there there there there there there
11:30a chain link with the privacy or equivalent um would be fine so either wouldn't or chain link
11:36with the privacy slides yes usually we do we have so that detail will just need to be shown on
11:41revised plans um obviously the resolution that i have on for today is subject to uh quite a few
11:49conditions including approval from the arb again they're going next week um so the design
11:55professional will provide any material samples that the arab requires and if they do ask for
12:01changes they'll those will have to be shown on revised plans prior to signature of the plans
12:06is there any uh improved drainage in the new stalls um so they are showing two um air drainage
12:12areas in that new parking area um drew the town engineer did review that um i provided him with
12:20those details the only thing that he asked for was a soil boring or a test pit just
12:25groundwater just to check the depth um to groundwater to ensure two foot separation
12:30from the bottom of those drainage areas to groundwater and i think your test was just
12:34done yesterday okay so they're working on that um yeah other than that uh you know the water
12:41district i referred it over to them obviously uh key money will have to be assessed for the change
12:46of use um that will be taken care of you know prior to the issuance of uh you know approvals um
12:54they got that
12:55to hydraulic test that's been sent yeah so any correspondence that i received throughout this
12:59review i forwarded to mr asta and his team um the design professionals so they can get it taken care
13:05of uh concurrently other than that the fire marshal didn't have any comments on the proposed
13:11plan at this time obviously the interior alterations to fit out the restaurant are
13:16going to be subject to not only building permits but also fire marshal construction permits if
13:20you're doing fixed extinguishing anything like that will go through the fire marshal's office
13:25dark sky complaint yeah the lighting that they are proposing is all dark sky compliant um as far
13:30as the mounting height um temperature no light trespass onto adjacent properties so that'll be
13:36a nice upgrade to the site other than that does the board have any questions heather i just have
13:41a couple of questions uh your plan is there's seven new parking spots to the south part of
13:48the property and then you would still continue to use on the north side of the first masonry the all
13:55office building now that you'd so that would be shared parking with the restaurant how do you
14:00designate who parks where only because when you drive there now there was uh 19 cars parked back
14:11there in that area from the office building oh you mean from the school from the school um
14:18look it was like a first come first serve kind of thing i mean they have only two signs it says for
14:25they would need a total of six because you would be 19 and then 20 you need six of those spots
14:31designated just for that office i would put signs up for saying designated for the school right
14:38okay because you could put no you're going to be open for lunch yes so you will you know they'll
14:44be split yeah yeah and they're gone by like usually 4 30 they're always pretty much gone
14:49yeah so i don't think it'll be an issue at night um i know it isn't yeah it's one it is one parcel
14:55that just like with a shopping center or another parcel with multiple buildings on it you're
14:59looking at the site cumulatively in terms of the number of parking stalls but i do understand you
15:04know that the riverhead central school district office everybody parks in the central park as
15:11you can so you know even though someone let's say there was no parking here and they didn't
15:16want to park up front for the restaurant they could realistically park in that southern portion
15:20but it's not you know ideal for people who don't want to walk down right and if you don't want to
15:25designate what happens when every the office people park there all of them like like they
15:32will discuss with um there's one guy john there he's like kind of in charge right right i said
15:37once we we do the extended parking um but that's kind of what designate those areas specifically
15:46you know like the superintendent is there and so on right right so they'll always be in those spots
15:51um he says that's fine you know he so just the other side you're going to have kind of
15:55i'm i'm just afraid you're going to end up with hopefully people may be parking on the sidewalk
16:02or whatever it just i don't know it just you're running two businesses with just the amount of
16:08parking that you need also one other question is a is that a fire exit on the exit door on the south
16:17east corner there's a door there is that a fire exit heather you see that right here on the back
16:23of the building yes
16:25that i i we don't have um i think they provided floor plans but they weren't detailed construction
16:30plans so i'm i'm not just fire fire exits need a a right-of-way out to a clearing area you can't
16:38open up a fire exit to a stall yeah i mean i i don't know the distance requirements so on the
16:43top of my head it's typically based on occupancy i think that would be um hashed out through the
16:49building and fire marshal permitting processes you know you have your front entry which is the main
16:54entry and then you also have the that side door that leads directly to a
16:58concrete side that's your second means of egress that's fine yeah so I'm not
17:03I mean again I'm off the top my head I don't know how many would be required
17:06based on the size distance and occupancy look like that that area will be like
17:13that back door not I see we're talking about that's what a kitchen well we get
17:16you know just some stuff coming in and out so this will be the second egress
17:20for people sitting down in the restaurant part and if you get delivery
17:27you know if you have a parking area there and somebody's parking there and
17:31I you know do you get deliveries in that way somebody's got to move or are you
17:35more well the kid always just roll it around from the side either way use that
17:39side door if that was an issue and how far that would it concrete you know the
17:44bumpers be away from the building other they didn't show that measurement on
17:50the site you know like you're just saying that they you're gonna need them
17:52yes yeah that or bollards again something some sort of vehicle impact
17:57protection I'm actually surprised that there was nothing there when mattress
18:03firm was open but I guess they just were very busy so yeah in terms of the the
18:10site plan itself again it's a lot of them are existing conditions it's an
18:13existing site improved with two buildings it's sort of an anomaly
18:16because they're different uses but you know
18:20lighting is getting upgraded he's in excess of one parking stall the board
18:27doesn't have any other questions there are a lot of things that will you know I
18:30didn't speak to you about the possibility of a public hearing and I
18:33saw that F in thinking with afterwards I sort of think that we should have a
18:38public hearing I don't know how the rest of the board feels and I think it
18:42should be done
18:46it's like a short poll sure I'm opposed
18:50to have a public area you know if if Joe thinks but it's not a bad idea to
19:01have a public hearing but you know whatever mr. Hogan I have a public
19:08hearing okay so I have what the substance of public hearing what's that
19:20what is the substance of the public hearing gonna be it's it's essentially
19:29the reuse of an existing commercial building with constructing seven
19:33additional parking stalls I will note like we had the public hearing for Q
19:37Dover for the front lease building because they were making significant
19:40site changes including that drive-through and that was also
19:43classified as an unlisted action this is a type 2 action you know I'll note that
19:48we didn't have public hearings and I think it's a good thing that we have a
19:49public hearing for the riverhead Plaza application that came in I think the
19:55issue here is parking correct isn't that the biggest issue well my issue is that
19:59you had a mattress store which you might have you know five people at a time now
20:06you have a restaurant you're gonna have a lot more people yeah 50 you know 56
20:11seats I don't see how a public hearing will change the amount of yeah no it's a
20:18reuse of a public area and I think it's a good thing that we have a public hearing
20:19and to me the public hearing is delay for the sake of delay what will change if we
20:26have a public hearing we can't add anything else we can't really subtract
20:30anything I just don't see the wisdom in but if you have three votes yeah yeah
20:38parking right what's that the parking is actually an access once all of the code
20:45required
20:49so I didn't have a public hearing so I didn't have a public hearing
21:02hearing resolution prepared so that would have to get voted on at the
21:06following meeting and I'd be willing to take it off the floor tonight if you
21:10want to stress something up possibility if someone wants to move a resolution
21:17off the floor to schedule a public hearing we can do that yeah yes if we
21:22were to schedule it I just have to figure out in terms of calendaring and
21:27getting legal notices submitted because for site plans it's a 10-day requirement
21:32out the Riverview's review only runs on Thursdays we have to have notices in the
21:37week prior it would have to it would have to be the October 17 that's what I
21:43thought because you're scheduling a public hearing today as well so yeah
21:49which would be an it would be an afternoon three o'clock meeting I mean
21:55it would afford the applicant the opportunity to get to the ARB and if
21:59they do have changes substantial changes that need to be made
22:02you can get it done and it would be a good opportunity to get it done and if you
22:02can get that taken care of prior to the public hearing and then all of the
22:06other things that I had noted in the resolution that was on for today can be
22:11taken care of as well pretty much most of them already have
22:14addressed I got stuff for the I'm ready chopped off to my class in your sewer
22:18district already got hydraulic test where they got the whole board test done
22:23no just one other question you have a large tree stump on the on the fence
22:29right on the east side yes can be removed but that's that's
22:32that's no you're gonna mention a reef fence well whole thing once we do the
22:36grease trap that whole area is gonna be brand new blacktop okay and I mean
22:40there's also a barbed wire along that fence line along the fence I don't know
22:44who has the authority to take that off but it's not very family friendly in
22:50terms of a restaurant but you want people going to so yeah it's right on the property line and it literally goes down the whole thing.
23:02yes yeah I don't know I don't imagine that the planning board ever would have
23:07required barbed wire along the fence that divides two commercial properties
23:11but all right so when we get to it I guess we could table resolution 2024 I
23:18think it's 72 on the agenda and then we could take off the floor the public hearing
23:26I'll move the table to resolution
23:27second
23:29well we'll do it when we get to that resolution
23:31what's the um
23:32next the new resolution number then it would be 73 73 okay so resolution 2024
23:40zero seven three will be the resolution taken off the floor to schedule the
23:44public hearing for October 7 okay
23:50Heather one other question on a proposed cross easement there but you're still
23:59counting those two parking areas
24:01so that
24:02that was sort of a question and Greg Matt and I were talking about this you
24:06know we're requiring people to do cross access obviously where it makes sense
24:11the question is is it's not being improved right now it's a wooded area in
24:17the back but do we automatically deduct those stalls do they get deducted at the
24:22time the cross access is improved we're considered we're considering working in
24:28some kind of amendment to allow like a credit for stalls where they're being deducted.
24:30we're considering working in some kind of amendment to allow like a credit for stalls where they're being deducted.
24:31we're considering working in some kind of amendment to allow like a credit for stalls where they're being deducted.
24:32cross access is required you know if we're requiring the cross access and they
24:36are already providing that parking I mean there's no other feasible site for
24:40the cross access that area makes the most sense it's not really fair to push
24:44them into a variant situation when it's not being improved at this time so right
24:49okay same thing with you know it's poured over there's the same thing yeah
24:56okay anybody have anything else
25:01okay anybody have anything else
25:04all right you two moving on to agenda item number two 27 waves LLC with Greg
25:13all right you two moving on to agenda item number two 27 waves LLC with Greg
25:31Richard if you could state your name for the record please
25:34Justin can we just zoom out on the camera please a little more bring the whole the whole page into focus there you go good good
25:43good good afternoon Richard Israel Richmond Realty thank you all right
25:49good afternoon everybody so this is a site plan application seeking to develop
25:55the last remaining vacant property on Commerce Drive with a one-story
26:018,775 square foot medical office with related site improvements including
26:05parking drainage lighting and landscaping this is a type one action
26:10under our town code as it involves parking stalls in excess of the
26:1350 this is actually with first application that's going to benefit from
26:17our recently adopted policy of allowing staff to enable an active secret
26:22coordination process so I enable I sent out secret coordination to all involved
26:27agencies so coordination is done we've received comments from all those
26:31agencies back so we now are in a position to I do recommend assuming lead
26:38agency is doing a negative declaration as there's no significant negative
26:42environmental impact
26:43from development the for the board's knowledge the project site is identified
26:49as Suffolk County tax number 600-101-1-10.6 is a vacant 1.09 acre parcel
26:58located on the west side of Commerce Drive approximately 250 feet north of the
27:02intersection of 58 and Commerce Drive it's low it's identified also as lot
27:08number two of the Warsaw Park major subdivision which was approved by the
27:11Planning Board and filed with the Suffolk County Tax Department.
27:13clerk in 1990 surrounding areas all commercial uses including Panera medical
27:18offices to the north and the harley-davidson dealer to the east across
27:22Commerce Drive. So the proposed development will take access off of a
27:28new curb cut on the west side of Commerce Drive during peak period. I did
27:32note in my staff report on page three obviously figure two. My only
27:37recommendation while the 8-700 square foot medical office is not in another
27:43area is to have a significant traffic generator. I did notice that there's no
27:47real striping or identified lanes of travel as you come off of Commerce Drive
27:52onto 58. So you can see in figure two you've got a lot of cars queuing up. I did
27:58refer this to the DPW just as an interested agency we did get some
28:01comments back I know Mr. Israel has had conversations with the DPW. It's my
28:06understanding that they're going to do some restriping at that intersection
28:09coming off of Commerce.
28:10We've agreed to do the restriping.
28:13They came out they want to have a turning lane so that a person can just
28:18turn and go west and we'll have a queuing lane for people who want to go
28:22east. So they measured it up it has a correct width we don't have to move
28:27curbs or anything else and they were going to design it we said we would
28:31implement.
28:32You're in the sewer district there correct?
28:34What?
28:34You're in the sewer district there?
28:36Where I put in the sewers when they were gone.
28:38Yes that is correct and they do have a letter of the plan was accepted by the DPW.
28:43The district by email dated September 10th.
28:47So they will be connected.
28:49Is the building on spec or do you have a tenant?
28:51It's currently on spec because until we can build it the tenants don't want to sign it.
28:57And it may not it may be a non-medical building but we just don't know yet. We
29:03have some medical line for the first time in a long time some non-medical
29:07tenants all office.
29:09I saw where the sewer connection is made but where is the water coming from?
29:11I don't know.
29:11[transcription gap]
29:13So the plan here shows a sewer connection right here.
29:22And it shows a water connection.
29:25What about on top of that?
29:27Proposed water service is towards the northern property line on the north side.
29:31So to the point if it was.
29:38So there's a.
29:41It's along the northern property boundary.
29:43If you look on the screen I'm pointing to it.
29:46It goes.
29:47I can't see it.
29:48All right.
29:49So water connection would be along the north side.
29:52Okay.
29:53Got it.
29:53The building has a utility building attached to it.
29:58That's what the little thing is out.
30:00That's where the RPZ valves will go.
30:02The electric meters things.
30:04So to Mr.
30:08Azriel's point they are planning the site for the highest and best use medical office is.
30:12One per 150.
30:15If they had a non-medical office.
30:17You know if it was an accountant architect something like that.
30:19It only requires one for 200.
30:22So they're planning for the highest and best use.
30:24If it's a other type of office aside from medical professional medical office requires less parking.
30:33Right now the site does provide 60 parking stalls where the code only requires 59.
30:38So they're parking compliant.
30:41I just didn't know.
30:42That if it's a our town code has outpatient medical facilities.
30:47Required 10% of the total number of parking spaces to be handicapped based on the existing parking.
30:53They could would be precluded from an outpatient medical facility.
30:58I could take my one spot turn it into patchwork and then I have my six.
31:03There you go.
31:05So again similarly with cross access here.
31:09This is the last vacant property in Commerce Drive.
31:11So it does sort of present the last opportunity to connect to the Warner's Plaza just to the west.
31:18There would be space to connect up in the northwest corner.
31:22That would really only benefit the people visiting Warner's Plaza.
31:26They could get through the site and go out to the light at Commerce and 58 rather than try to make a left directly under 58.
31:33So recommend putting that in a revised plan just because it presents the last opportunity to do so.
31:39Okay.
31:40All the lighting complies with town code.
31:43Pole mounted lights are 14 feet above grade.
31:46Exterior facade lighting is 10 feet above grade and they're all 3000 degree Kelvin.
31:51Dark sky compliant.
31:53I do note that the plan does not provide sidewalks.
31:57I would recommend sidewalks be installed.
31:59Although I do note that this entire subdivision with the exception of the Harley dealership does not have sidewalks.
32:05But again create sidewalks.
32:08And if other sites come in from the west.
32:09If other sites come in from redevelopment we can connect at that point.
32:12We did get comments back from the Riverhead Water District including a water availability letter dated August 20th, 2024.
32:21Subject of some conditions prior to installation and activation.
32:25We did get comments back from the town engineer.
32:28I referred them to the fire marshal.
32:30They had no comments on the plan.
32:32They were referred to the Riverhead Fire District as well as the highway superintendent.
32:37I sent them to the planning commission on August 16th.
32:40I got no response.
32:41So their 30 day time period has expired.
32:44Again Mr. Israel had conversations with DPW.
32:48And the plans were referred to the ARB and they reviewed them at their August 28th meeting.
32:54Just for the board's knowledge we can see the elevations.
32:59Pretty standard for what's in that medical park to begin with and a lot of the other medical offices that we've seen along 58.
33:05I noticed that the
33:03[transcription gap]
33:10You're going to have an irrigation well.
33:13That's to be determined.
33:16All the other buildings in here do not have irrigation wells.
33:20They have separate irrigation meters through public water.
33:24So they're turned off during the winter.
33:27They have RPZ valves on them and the like.
33:30There isn't a lot of landscaping involved with here.
33:33We just find that with public water
33:35it's a lot easier because things don't turn brown.
33:40So for us we gladly pay the additional money.
33:45I know that water is precious here but it just keeps everything cleaner and neater because we do irrigate and try to keep our owners.
33:53You know what you just said about the other sites having
33:57All our other sites have separate meters because we're sewered.
34:01We don't want to pay the sewer fee on the irrigation water.
34:04We actually have meters in the street,
34:08RPZ valves in the street for each building.
34:11Would that satisfy the water district?
34:18The water district did include that in their water availability letter.
34:23Prior to the installation they need hydraulic load calculations including irrigation.
34:29They noted at that time that if no irrigation is going to be proposed off public water,
34:32they would have to pay the water fee.
34:33They do provide a well.
34:35But if Mr. Israel is going to provide a separate meter,
34:38the water district could already review and comment on that.
34:42On small properties it just gets,
34:44you know wells by the time we're done they're $12,000 to $15,000.
34:49So for the little amount of green that we have here, it's nominal.
34:54Is the depth of water a problem here?
34:58I see the huge amount of rainwater.
35:01We showed that but this park in general has always had,
35:08I want to say our groundwater is at 10 or 8?
35:13Groundwater is about 7 feet, 7.1 feet below grade.
35:22You can only use 4 footers.
35:24This property used to be a wetland back in the early 50s, 60s.
35:30This side was the drier side of it.
35:32But Mr. Finkelstein is my understanding for the lake that was on the Harley Davidson deal.
35:38Yeah, I discovered that as I was going through the Warsaw Park subdivision
35:42and seeing some comments from the old highway superintendent.
35:45Advantage pools that you need to make.
35:47Right, that's all been calculated by Young and Young.
35:50This was the last piece in this subdivision.
35:53It took me 25 years to buy it and now it is.
35:57So we're trying to make it blend in with the park.
35:59And finish the park up.
36:01Great.
36:02Anything else gentlemen?
36:03Nope.
36:04All good?
36:05All good.
36:06Okay, very good.
36:07The only comment I have is I prefer not to put in sidewalks because most of the people
36:12do drive there and we've never had an issue with people walking down the street.
36:16They don't exist.
36:17So we'll leave that up to staff.
36:18Okay, comments and resolutions?
36:19I'll take two main papers.
36:20Gentlemen, let's go to resolutions please.
36:21Okay, I'll take two resolutions.
36:22I'll take two resolutions.
36:23[transcription gap]
36:30All right.
36:31I'll move resolution 2024-067.
36:32Zorovich-McKenzie Lot Line Modification Extension.
36:33So moved.
36:34Second.
36:35Moved and seconded.
36:36Mr. Zelnicki.
36:37Yes.
36:38Mr. Hogan.
36:39Yes.
36:40Mr. Nonero.
36:41Aye.
36:42Mr. Behr.
36:43Yes.
36:44And I vote aye.
36:45The motion carries.
36:46I'll move resolution number 68.
36:47Grants approval of lot line modification for Juan Diaz and Lakeside Trail of Court.
36:48So moved.
36:49Second.
36:50All right.
36:51I'll take two.
36:52All right.
36:53I'll take two.
36:54Mr. Zelnicki.
36:55Yes.
36:56Mr. Behr.
36:57Yes.
36:58All right.
36:59I'll take two.
37:00Mr. Zelnicki.
37:01Yes.
37:02Mr. Hogan.
37:03Yes.
37:04Mr. Nonero.
37:05Aye.
37:06Mr. Behr.
37:07Yes.
37:08And I vote aye.
37:09The motion carries.
37:10I move resolution number 69.
37:11Riverhead Town Home Site Plan Extension.
37:13Resolution granting a 12-month extension on the final site plan approval.
37:16Second.
37:17Moved and seconded.
37:18Mr. Zelnicki.
37:19Yes.
37:20Mr. Hogan.
37:21Yes.
37:22Mr. Nonero.
37:23Aye.
37:24Mr. Behr.
37:25Yes.
37:26And I vote aye.
37:27Motion carries.
37:28I'll move resolution 2024-070 for 2017.
37:29I'll take two.
37:30Mr. Behr.
37:31Yes.
37:32Mr. Zelnicki.
37:33Yes.
37:34Mr. Behr.
37:35Yes.
37:36Mr. Nonero.
37:37Aye.
37:38Mr. Behr.
37:39Yes.
37:40And I vote aye.
37:41The motion carries.
37:42Resolution 071.
37:4327 LLC Site Plan Public Hearing.
37:44Resolution to schedule a public hearing on a preliminary site plan application seeking
37:45approval to construct a one-story, 87-75 square feet, two-story, two-story, two-story
37:46site plan.
37:47I'll take two.
37:48Mr. Behr.
37:49Yes.
37:50Mr. Zelnicki.
37:51Yes.
37:52Mr. Behr.
37:53Yes.
37:54Mr. Behr.
37:55Yes.
37:56Mr. Behr.
37:57Yes.
37:58Resolution 075-075-75-square-feet, medical office building.
37:59Second.
38:00Move it in second.
38:01Mr. Zelnicki.
38:02Yes.
38:03Mr. Hogan.
38:04Yes.
38:05Mr. Nonero.
38:06Aye.
38:07Mr. Behr.
38:08Yes.
38:09And I vote aye.
38:10The motion carries.
38:11Okay.
38:12Thank you.
38:13Good luck.
38:14Joe, do you want the tables?
38:15I think we did, didn't we?
38:18We didn't do it?
38:19You would have to make a motion.
38:20Hold the resolution.
38:21Okay.
38:22Okay.
38:23I'll move the table to resolution number 72.
38:24Second.
38:25I move it in second.
38:26Mr. Behr.
38:27Yes.
38:28Mr. Zelnicki.
38:29Yes.
38:30Mr. Hogan.
38:31Yes.
38:32Mr. Nonero.
38:33Aye.
38:34Mr. Behr.
38:35Yes.
38:36And I'll abstain.
38:374-1, 4-0-1.
38:38Motion carries.
38:39Comments on all matters?
38:40So we're going to do resolution 2024-073, which will be project 58, restaurant conversion.
38:53Resolution to schedule a public hearing for the site plan application of project 58.
38:58Restaurant conversion located at 1199 Old Country Road, Riverhead, within the Business Center,
39:05B.C.
39:06Zoning Use District.
39:08That public hearing will be October 17th at 3 o'clock p.m.
39:13Second.
39:14He can't move it.
39:16Oh, I'm just stating what the resolution is.
39:17He's stating the resolution.
39:18I mean, it sounded really good, though.
39:19Thank you.
39:20I've been practicing.
39:21You want to move it, Ken?
39:22I moved to the table.
39:23Okay.
39:24I'll second.
39:25Moved and seconded.
39:26Okay.
39:27Seconded.
39:28Mr. Zelnicki?
39:29Yes.
39:30Mr. Hogan?
39:31Yes.
39:32Mr. Nannero?
39:33Aye.
39:34Mr. Baer?
39:35Yes.
39:36And I vote aye.
39:37The motion carries.
39:38Before we close, I just want to take this minute to thank the Terry Brothers Construction
39:43Company.
39:44They moved their driveway from the southern portion of their property to the northern
39:48part.
39:49It's going to make a huge difference to the residents around there.
39:52It's on Roanoke Avenue, right by the new golf course.
39:55I think it's going to make a big difference.
39:56And they did a great job.
39:57Kenny, I think you kind of helped spearhead that.
39:58So I want to thank everybody involved for that.
39:59Any correspondence, staff?
40:00Also, one other word on that.
40:01There was a lot of help, a lot of people involved.
40:02You know, the Stark family did a great job with the miniature golf.
40:03And just getting information with Dawn and Mike Zelnicki and the Terry Brothers for moving
40:04this, they didn't have to do it.
40:05But, you know, in this town, when people were having trouble moving their cars, they were
40:06able to get information.
40:07And I think that's a great thing.
40:08[transcription gap]
40:14There you go.
40:15Well appreciated.
40:16Very good.
40:17Anybody want to move the minutes?
40:18I'll move the minutes of August 15.
40:19I'll second.
40:20All in favor?
40:21Aye.
40:22[transcription gap]
40:44Have a great day everybody.
40:46Thank you.
40:47Thank you, staff.

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Thank you. [transcription gap] splash sneeze guards just a couple of things but that was about it really the restaurant yeah well like camera you know sneeze guards what if you could see the food yeah I listed all of that in my stair report actually yeah additionally you know final connection letter from the sewer district splash cards menu advisory allergen statement and sneeze guards those are that's what's listed on the certificate as approvals there is a dumpster that's going to be relocated from the southerly parking lot to the I guess I'll call it the central parking area they show it being fenced in I just made a note my staff report that they'll have to include a detail just to show that it complies with the screening requirements Town Code Chapter 245 dash 8 so a stockade fence no less than 5 feet but no more than 6 feet in height just to appropriately screen it wild about the wooden stockade there there's a lot of wood there there there there there there there there a chain link with the privacy or equivalent um would be fine so either wouldn't or chain link with the privacy slides yes usually we do we have so that detail will just need to be shown on revised plans um obviously the resolution that i have on for today is subject to uh quite a few conditions including approval from the arb again they're going next week um so the design professional will provide any material samples that the arab requires and if they do ask for changes they'll those will have to be shown on revised plans prior to signature of the plans is there any uh improved drainage in the new stalls um so they are showing two um air drainage areas in that new parking area um drew the town engineer did review that um i provided him with those details the only thing that he asked for was a soil boring or a test pit just groundwater just to check the depth um to groundwater to ensure two foot separation from the bottom of those drainage areas to groundwater and i think your test was just done yesterday okay so they're working on that um yeah other than that uh you know the water district i referred it over to them obviously uh key money will have to be assessed for the change of use um that will be taken care of you know prior to the issuance of uh you know approvals um they got that to hydraulic test that's been sent yeah so any correspondence that i received throughout this review i forwarded to mr asta and his team um the design professionals so they can get it taken care of uh concurrently other than that the fire marshal didn't have any comments on the proposed plan at this time obviously the interior alterations to fit out the restaurant are going to be subject to not only building permits but also fire marshal construction permits if you're doing fixed extinguishing anything like that will go through the fire marshal's office dark sky complaint yeah the lighting that they are proposing is all dark sky compliant um as far as the mounting height um temperature no light trespass onto adjacent properties so that'll be a nice upgrade to the site other than that does the board have any questions heather i just have a couple of questions uh your plan is there's seven new parking spots to the south part of the property and then you would still continue to use on the north side of the first masonry the all office building now that you'd so that would be shared parking with the restaurant how do you designate who parks where only because when you drive there now there was uh 19 cars parked back there in that area from the office building oh you mean from the school from the school um look it was like a first come first serve kind of thing i mean they have only two signs it says for they would need a total of six because you would be 19 and then 20 you need six of those spots designated just for that office i would put signs up for saying designated for the school right okay because you could put no you're going to be open for lunch yes so you will you know they'll be split yeah yeah and they're gone by like usually 4 30 they're always pretty much gone yeah so i don't think it'll be an issue at night um i know it isn't yeah it's one it is one parcel that just like with a shopping center or another parcel with multiple buildings on it you're looking at the site cumulatively in terms of the number of parking stalls but i do understand you know that the riverhead central school district office everybody parks in the central park as you can so you know even though someone let's say there was no parking here and they didn't want to park up front for the restaurant they could realistically park in that southern portion but it's not you know ideal for people who don't want to walk down right and if you don't want to designate what happens when every the office people park there all of them like like they will discuss with um there's one guy john there he's like kind of in charge right right i said once we we do the extended parking um but that's kind of what designate those areas specifically you know like the superintendent is there and so on right right so they'll always be in those spots um he says that's fine you know he so just the other side you're going to have kind of i'm i'm just afraid you're going to end up with hopefully people may be parking on the sidewalk or whatever it just i don't know it just you're running two businesses with just the amount of parking that you need also one other question is a is that a fire exit on the exit door on the south east corner there's a door there is that a fire exit heather you see that right here on the back of the building yes that i i we don't have um i think they provided floor plans but they weren't detailed construction plans so i'm i'm not just fire fire exits need a a right-of-way out to a clearing area you can't open up a fire exit to a stall yeah i mean i i don't know the distance requirements so on the top of my head it's typically based on occupancy i think that would be um hashed out through the building and fire marshal permitting processes you know you have your front entry which is the main entry and then you also have the that side door that leads directly to a concrete side that's your second means of egress that's fine yeah so I'm not I mean again I'm off the top my head I don't know how many would be required based on the size distance and occupancy look like that that area will be like that back door not I see we're talking about that's what a kitchen well we get you know just some stuff coming in and out so this will be the second egress for people sitting down in the restaurant part and if you get delivery you know if you have a parking area there and somebody's parking there and I you know do you get deliveries in that way somebody's got to move or are you more well the kid always just roll it around from the side either way use that side door if that was an issue and how far that would it concrete you know the bumpers be away from the building other they didn't show that measurement on the site you know like you're just saying that they you're gonna need them yes yeah that or bollards again something some sort of vehicle impact protection I'm actually surprised that there was nothing there when mattress firm was open but I guess they just were very busy so yeah in terms of the the site plan itself again it's a lot of them are existing conditions it's an existing site improved with two buildings it's sort of an anomaly because they're different uses but you know lighting is getting upgraded he's in excess of one parking stall the board doesn't have any other questions there are a lot of things that will you know I didn't speak to you about the possibility of a public hearing and I saw that F in thinking with afterwards I sort of think that we should have a public hearing I don't know how the rest of the board feels and I think it should be done it's like a short poll sure I'm opposed to have a public area you know if if Joe thinks but it's not a bad idea to have a public hearing but you know whatever mr. Hogan I have a public hearing okay so I have what the substance of public hearing what's that what is the substance of the public hearing gonna be it's it's essentially the reuse of an existing commercial building with constructing seven additional parking stalls I will note like we had the public hearing for Q Dover for the front lease building because they were making significant site changes including that drive-through and that was also classified as an unlisted action this is a type 2 action you know I'll note that we didn't have public hearings and I think it's a good thing that we have a public hearing for the riverhead Plaza application that came in I think the issue here is parking correct isn't that the biggest issue well my issue is that you had a mattress store which you might have you know five people at a time now you have a restaurant you're gonna have a lot more people yeah 50 you know 56 seats I don't see how a public hearing will change the amount of yeah no it's a reuse of a public area and I think it's a good thing that we have a public hearing and to me the public hearing is delay for the sake of delay what will change if we have a public hearing we can't add anything else we can't really subtract anything I just don't see the wisdom in but if you have three votes yeah yeah parking right what's that the parking is actually an access once all of the code required so I didn't have a public hearing so I didn't have a public hearing hearing resolution prepared so that would have to get voted on at the following meeting and I'd be willing to take it off the floor tonight if you want to stress something up possibility if someone wants to move a resolution off the floor to schedule a public hearing we can do that yeah yes if we were to schedule it I just have to figure out in terms of calendaring and getting legal notices submitted because for site plans it's a 10-day requirement out the Riverview's review only runs on Thursdays we have to have notices in the week prior it would have to it would have to be the October 17 that's what I thought because you're scheduling a public hearing today as well so yeah which would be an it would be an afternoon three o'clock meeting I mean it would afford the applicant the opportunity to get to the ARB and if they do have changes substantial changes that need to be made you can get it done and it would be a good opportunity to get it done and if you can get that taken care of prior to the public hearing and then all of the other things that I had noted in the resolution that was on for today can be taken care of as well pretty much most of them already have addressed I got stuff for the I'm ready chopped off to my class in your sewer district already got hydraulic test where they got the whole board test done no just one other question you have a large tree stump on the on the fence right on the east side yes can be removed but that's that's that's no you're gonna mention a reef fence well whole thing once we do the grease trap that whole area is gonna be brand new blacktop okay and I mean there's also a barbed wire along that fence line along the fence I don't know who has the authority to take that off but it's not very family friendly in terms of a restaurant but you want people going to so yeah it's right on the property line and it literally goes down the whole thing. yes yeah I don't know I don't imagine that the planning board ever would have required barbed wire along the fence that divides two commercial properties but all right so when we get to it I guess we could table resolution 2024 I think it's 72 on the agenda and then we could take off the floor the public hearing I'll move the table to resolution second well we'll do it when we get to that resolution what's the um next the new resolution number then it would be 73 73 okay so resolution 2024 zero seven three will be the resolution taken off the floor to schedule the public hearing for October 7 okay Heather one other question on a proposed cross easement there but you're still counting those two parking areas so that that was sort of a question and Greg Matt and I were talking about this you know we're requiring people to do cross access obviously where it makes sense the question is is it's not being improved right now it's a wooded area in the back but do we automatically deduct those stalls do they get deducted at the time the cross access is improved we're considered we're considering working in some kind of amendment to allow like a credit for stalls where they're being deducted. we're considering working in some kind of amendment to allow like a credit for stalls where they're being deducted. we're considering working in some kind of amendment to allow like a credit for stalls where they're being deducted. cross access is required you know if we're requiring the cross access and they are already providing that parking I mean there's no other feasible site for the cross access that area makes the most sense it's not really fair to push them into a variant situation when it's not being improved at this time so right okay same thing with you know it's poured over there's the same thing yeah okay anybody have anything else okay anybody have anything else all right you two moving on to agenda item number two 27 waves LLC with Greg all right you two moving on to agenda item number two 27 waves LLC with Greg

Richard if you could state your name for the record please Justin can we just zoom out on the camera please a little more bring the whole the whole page into focus there you go good good good good afternoon Richard Israel Richmond Realty thank you all right good afternoon everybody so this is a site plan application seeking to develop the last remaining vacant property on Commerce Drive with a one-story 8,775 square foot medical office with related site improvements including parking drainage lighting and landscaping this is a type one action under our town code as it involves parking stalls in excess of the 50 this is actually with first application that's going to benefit from our recently adopted policy of allowing staff to enable an active secret coordination process so I enable I sent out secret coordination to all involved agencies so coordination is done we've received comments from all those agencies back so we now are in a position to I do recommend assuming lead agency is doing a negative declaration as there's no significant negative environmental impact from development the for the board's knowledge the project site is identified as Suffolk County tax number 600-101-1-10.6 is a vacant 1.09 acre parcel located on the west side of Commerce Drive approximately 250 feet north of the intersection of 58 and Commerce Drive it's low it's identified also as lot number two of the Warsaw Park major subdivision which was approved by the Planning Board and filed with the Suffolk County Tax Department. clerk in 1990 surrounding areas all commercial uses including Panera medical offices to the north and the harley-davidson dealer to the east across Commerce Drive. So the proposed development will take access off of a new curb cut on the west side of Commerce Drive during peak period. I did note in my staff report on page three obviously figure two. My only recommendation while the 8-700 square foot medical office is not in another area is to have a significant traffic generator. I did notice that there's no real striping or identified lanes of travel as you come off of Commerce Drive onto 58. So you can see in figure two you've got a lot of cars queuing up. I did refer this to the DPW just as an interested agency we did get some comments back I know Mr. Israel has had conversations with the DPW. It's my understanding that they're going to do some restriping at that intersection coming off of Commerce. We've agreed to do the restriping. They came out they want to have a turning lane so that a person can just turn and go west and we'll have a queuing lane for people who want to go east. So they measured it up it has a correct width we don't have to move curbs or anything else and they were going to design it we said we would implement. You're in the sewer district there correct? What? You're in the sewer district there? Where I put in the sewers when they were gone. Yes that is correct and they do have a letter of the plan was accepted by the DPW. The district by email dated September 10th. So they will be connected. Is the building on spec or do you have a tenant? It's currently on spec because until we can build it the tenants don't want to sign it. And it may not it may be a non-medical building but we just don't know yet. We have some medical line for the first time in a long time some non-medical tenants all office. I saw where the sewer connection is made but where is the water coming from? I don't know. [transcription gap] So the plan here shows a sewer connection right here. And it shows a water connection. What about on top of that? Proposed water service is towards the northern property line on the north side. So to the point if it was. So there's a. It's along the northern property boundary. If you look on the screen I'm pointing to it. It goes. I can't see it. All right. So water connection would be along the north side. Okay. Got it. The building has a utility building attached to it. That's what the little thing is out. That's where the RPZ valves will go. The electric meters things. So to Mr. Azriel's point they are planning the site for the highest and best use medical office is. One per 150. If they had a non-medical office. You know if it was an accountant architect something like that. It only requires one for 200. So they're planning for the highest and best use. If it's a other type of office aside from medical professional medical office requires less parking. Right now the site does provide 60 parking stalls where the code only requires 59. So they're parking compliant. I just didn't know. That if it's a our town code has outpatient medical facilities. Required 10% of the total number of parking spaces to be handicapped based on the existing parking. They could would be precluded from an outpatient medical facility. I could take my one spot turn it into patchwork and then I have my six. There you go. So again similarly with cross access here. This is the last vacant property in Commerce Drive. So it does sort of present the last opportunity to connect to the Warner's Plaza just to the west. There would be space to connect up in the northwest corner. That would really only benefit the people visiting Warner's Plaza. They could get through the site and go out to the light at Commerce and 58 rather than try to make a left directly under 58. So recommend putting that in a revised plan just because it presents the last opportunity to do so. Okay. All the lighting complies with town code. Pole mounted lights are 14 feet above grade. Exterior facade lighting is 10 feet above grade and they're all 3000 degree Kelvin. Dark sky compliant. I do note that the plan does not provide sidewalks. I would recommend sidewalks be installed. Although I do note that this entire subdivision with the exception of the Harley dealership does not have sidewalks. But again create sidewalks. And if other sites come in from the west. If other sites come in from redevelopment we can connect at that point. We did get comments back from the Riverhead Water District including a water availability letter dated August 20th, 2024. Subject of some conditions prior to installation and activation. We did get comments back from the town engineer. I referred them to the fire marshal. They had no comments on the plan. They were referred to the Riverhead Fire District as well as the highway superintendent. I sent them to the planning commission on August 16th. I got no response. So their 30 day time period has expired. Again Mr. Israel had conversations with DPW. And the plans were referred to the ARB and they reviewed them at their August 28th meeting. Just for the board's knowledge we can see the elevations. Pretty standard for what's in that medical park to begin with and a lot of the other medical offices that we've seen along 58. I noticed that the [transcription gap] You're going to have an irrigation well. That's to be determined. All the other buildings in here do not have irrigation wells. They have separate irrigation meters through public water. So they're turned off during the winter. They have RPZ valves on them and the like. There isn't a lot of landscaping involved with here. We just find that with public water it's a lot easier because things don't turn brown. So for us we gladly pay the additional money. I know that water is precious here but it just keeps everything cleaner and neater because we do irrigate and try to keep our owners. You know what you just said about the other sites having All our other sites have separate meters because we're sewered. We don't want to pay the sewer fee on the irrigation water. We actually have meters in the street, RPZ valves in the street for each building. Would that satisfy the water district? The water district did include that in their water availability letter. Prior to the installation they need hydraulic load calculations including irrigation. They noted at that time that if no irrigation is going to be proposed off public water, they would have to pay the water fee. They do provide a well. But if Mr. Israel is going to provide a separate meter, the water district could already review and comment on that. On small properties it just gets, you know wells by the time we're done they're $12,000 to $15,000. So for the little amount of green that we have here, it's nominal. Is the depth of water a problem here? I see the huge amount of rainwater. We showed that but this park in general has always had, I want to say our groundwater is at 10 or 8? Groundwater is about 7 feet, 7.1 feet below grade. You can only use 4 footers. This property used to be a wetland back in the early 50s, 60s. This side was the drier side of it. But Mr. Finkelstein is my understanding for the lake that was on the Harley Davidson deal. Yeah, I discovered that as I was going through the Warsaw Park subdivision and seeing some comments from the old highway superintendent. Advantage pools that you need to make. Right, that's all been calculated by Young and Young. This was the last piece in this subdivision. It took me 25 years to buy it and now it is. So we're trying to make it blend in with the park. And finish the park up. Great. Anything else gentlemen? Nope. All good? All good. Okay, very good. The only comment I have is I prefer not to put in sidewalks because most of the people do drive there and we've never had an issue with people walking down the street. They don't exist. So we'll leave that up to staff. Okay, comments and resolutions? I'll take two main papers. Gentlemen, let's go to resolutions please. Okay, I'll take two resolutions. I'll take two resolutions. [transcription gap] All right. I'll move resolution 2024-067. Zorovich-McKenzie Lot Line Modification Extension. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Nonero. Aye. Mr. Behr. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. I'll move resolution number 68. Grants approval of lot line modification for Juan Diaz and Lakeside Trail of Court. So moved. Second. All right. I'll take two. All right. I'll take two. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Behr. Yes. All right. I'll take two. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Nonero. Aye. Mr. Behr. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. I move resolution number 69. Riverhead Town Home Site Plan Extension. Resolution granting a 12-month extension on the final site plan approval. Second. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Nonero. Aye. Mr. Behr. Yes. And I vote aye. Motion carries. I'll move resolution 2024-070 for 2017. I'll take two. Mr. Behr. Yes. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Behr. Yes. Mr. Nonero. Aye. Mr. Behr. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Resolution 071. 27 LLC Site Plan Public Hearing. Resolution to schedule a public hearing on a preliminary site plan application seeking approval to construct a one-story, 87-75 square feet, two-story, two-story, two-story site plan. I'll take two. Mr. Behr. Yes. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Behr. Yes. Mr. Behr. Yes. Mr. Behr. Yes. Resolution 075-075-75-square-feet, medical office building. Second. Move it in second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Nonero. Aye. Mr. Behr. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Okay. Thank you. Good luck. Joe, do you want the tables? I think we did, didn't we? No. No? We didn't do it? You would have to make a motion. Hold the resolution. Okay. Okay. I'll move the table to resolution number 72. Second. I move it in second. Mr. Behr. Yes. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Nonero. Aye. Mr. Behr. Yes. And I'll abstain. 4-1, 4-0-1. Motion carries. Comments on all matters? So we're going to do resolution 2024-073, which will be project 58, restaurant conversion. Resolution to schedule a public hearing for the site plan application of project 58. Restaurant conversion located at 1199 Old Country Road, Riverhead, within the Business Center, B.C. Zoning Use District. That public hearing will be October 17th at 3 o'clock p.m. Second. He can't move it. Oh. Oh, I'm just stating what the resolution is. He's stating the resolution. I mean, it sounded really good, though. Thank you. I've been practicing. You want to move it, Ken? I moved to the table. Okay. I'll second. Moved and seconded. Okay. Seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nannero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Before we close, I just want to take this minute to thank the Terry Brothers Construction Company. They moved their driveway from the southern portion of their property to the northern part. It's going to make a huge difference to the residents around there. It's on Roanoke Avenue, right by the new golf course. I think it's going to make a big difference. And they did a great job. Kenny, I think you kind of helped spearhead that. So I want to thank everybody involved for that. Any correspondence, staff? Also, one other word on that. There was a lot of help, a lot of people involved. You know, the Stark family did a great job with the miniature golf. And just getting information with Dawn and Mike Zelnicki and the Terry Brothers for moving this, they didn't have to do it. But, you know, in this town, when people were having trouble moving their cars, they were able to get information. And I think that's a great thing. [transcription gap] There you go. Well appreciated. Very good. Anybody want to move the minutes? I'll move the minutes of August 15. I'll second. All in favor? Aye. [transcription gap] Have a great day everybody. Thank you. Thank you, staff.