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[transcription gap] parking stalls and I scaled this out I mean even though they're not delineated there's more than enough parking here for I think 40 cars so I mean if you if you would be able to add handicapped stole I guess proximate to where the farm stand would be a problem I can give you the information on that yeah that'd be great thank you yeah it really do T has to be the one to decide on whether you have it in and out or right oh yeah so I mean it's it's something that I just picked up on you know I'm familiar with the area and even if we were to require or do T requires a write-in only we sort of know that people don't always adhere to sign restrictions so I just wanted to bring it up so that everybody is aware and if do T wants them to do that or make modifications plan it's really it's up to them so that's why the resolution is subject to both Suffolk County farmland and also do T the town engineer wanted some specifications on the gravel and you you have already worked on providing that so I don't expect any other hiccups it's really you know it's seasonal it's not going to be a huge farm stand again it's a movable truck so you're gonna keep are you gonna keep the trailer in the back yeah yeah I use that for straw storage is that is that stone on pallets is that your property or next door that's next to next door okay yeah we're right to the west of that okay when they're in senior talking so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so Suffolk County for and probably subsequently come back to us as well but this is really sort of I'd say accessory to your main farm stand that's on Middle Country Road and that's where the bulk of the sort of like ag tours and stuff happened. The reason for my question was it going to be an extension of what was on the 25th. Right well actually I'll give you a quick back story. My daughter is 16 so she's really taking a liking to the farm and for us we don't want to push her away so we're giving her the option she's actually going to run this stand this summer and then she can carry on. Give her something that she can correct. That's the main drive behind this. Got it. Well I think you answered my question. As far as snow fences go up don't they usually have snow fences in these areas would that interrupt? The state puts it up but they come in the gate they put it up and then they take it down. Okay yeah there's no issues there. Yeah so they're just. They're just proposing they're going to move there's an existing deer fence that they're going to move back and then they'll throw up a split rail fence I guess you know sort of as a just a delineate. Yeah and then when the state comes in they put the snow fencing up just like I think the town roads the highway department does the snow fence. Right. I've seen all your other I live not far away and everything you guys touch it looks beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. We've been blessed. Work hard but you get blessed you know. So if the board's amenable you know the resolution is subject to both DOT and Suffolk County farmland but. Quick question Dave were you guys going to do strawberry picking or pumpkin picking? That's not an option right now not not as of now I'm not going to say that's not going to change in the future at some point but right now we have a lot of irons in the forest so we're just trying to. Yeah and he's got strawberry picking next door. Anything else gentlemen? No. Okay we'll have a vote later good luck. Thank you guys. Thank you. You have to run into Suffolk County now? Five o'clock. You have to go there. We're going to go out to dinner Dave. Thank you guys. Thank you. Okay discussion item number two with Greg Bergman points east LLC minus subdivision. What do you got going on Greg? Give me one sec. So I did inform the applicant of this meeting he was supposed to attend. I mean I can present it quickly you know I do have my report. If there's any outstanding questions from the board we can wait to have them. Okay. We can wait to have them answered until the applicant is present. Greg I just noticed it. Let's talk about that later. Oh okay. I just noticed it. Can we just zoom out a little bit on the. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. I think we have a motion. Okay. We have received a minor subdivision application seeking approval to subdivide an existing 2.05 acre parcel of land and create a four lot minor subdivision utilizing town of Riverhead transfer of development rights to achieve the desired development yield. We have received an existing condition survey and as of right yield map and a TDR yield map, which is currently on the table right now that the board is looking at. In terms of SICRA, the proposed minor subdivision is a type 2 action under our town code as the proposed subdivision meets all the dimensional requirements and would be precluded from further subdivision based on our dimensional requirements. I do note that although it's a type 2 action and requires no further environmental review, the subject property is located within a potentially archaeologically sensitive area. So I did refer that application to SHPO. We received comments back from them, which I'll get to shortly. In terms of the site location, zoning and surrounding area, Suffolk County tax map is Suffolk County 600-84-1-6. Again, it's 2.05 acres. It's located on the south side of Middle Road within the residence A40 zoning use district. It's approximately 1,300 feet east of the intersection of Middle Road and Ostrander Avenue. The property is presently approved with a two-story single family residence, which there are no records currently maintained. The property is maintained by the Riverhead Building Department on that house. It likely predates the establishment of zoning in the town, meaning it was built prior to 1965. I do recommend that the property owner make an application to the building department for a letter of pre-existing use just to memorialize that fact. That house is going to stay then? I believe that house is intended to stay. I don't want to speak on behalf of the applicant. But again, we'll get him before the board to clarify any questions you may have. So access to the site. The site is currently taken by a dirt and stone driveway, which is located to the west of the existing residence, which is shown in Figure 3 on page 3 of my staff report. The surrounding area is surrounded by residential and agricultural uses. There's a number of retirement communities on the north side of Middle Road, as well as assorted single family residences. Regarding the use of transfer of development rights to increase the development yield of the property, it's permitted to essentially double the as-of-right development density within the RA40. The area is a RA40 zoning district pursuant to Town Code 301-208B. The residence, A40, has a minimum lot size of 40,000 square feet. With the use of TDRs, you can increase the density down to, no instance shall lot yield exceed one lot per 20,000 square feet. So again, you can essentially double the density. I did note, and it's sort of a little bit of an anomaly, there's no specified dimensional regulations within our code. An applicant is proposing to utilize TDRs to do an increased density subdivision. But I did clip out the dimensional regulations for our residential zoning districts. The code does contain what's called a workforce housing option, which gets you down to a 20,000 square foot lot size, and that contains its own specific dimensional regulations. For the purpose of this application, I'm recommending that the board apply those dimensional regulations to the subdivision. That's something we're going to work on separately, with the town board, just to sort of codify those different dimensional regulations. So how many TDRs are they purchasing? It would require two. Two, okay. Two TDRs. And they have begun discussions. There's an applicant who has TDR credits. They're going to negotiate with that applicant for the use of those TDRs. The signature and the filing of the map, they'll have to make a separate application for the use of those TDRs. So that will have to take place before, the signature and the filing of the map. The board has seen that recently. We've done TDRs in the Villas at Roanoke subdivision, which is now known as Seacrest Estates. And we also did a TDR map up on Pier Road, up on the west, Pier Avenue on the west side of the road within the last year or so.
In terms of development yield, the lots on the TDR yield map, lot one is 20,118 square feet. Lot two is 20,650 square feet. Lot four is 20,650 square feet. Lot five is 20,650 square feet. Lot six is 20,650 square feet. Lot seven is 21,611 square feet. Lot three is 22,486 square feet. And lot four is 26,270 square feet. So the property is located within the Riverhead Water District. And there is currently an easement, which encumbers a 15-foot-wide stretch of land on the west side of the property, which is to the benefit of the town of Riverhead for the purposes of laying, maintaining, operating, repairing, and removing water lines, trunks, trunk mains, hydrants, and necessary water district appurtenances under and through the property. That easement was established as a result of an eminent domain proceeding initiated by the town in 1990. The easement does reserve to the owner of the property the rights to pave at the owner's cost and expense the surface of that easement area for ingress and egress purposes. However, it requires that any pavement shall be done with bituminous or like material and not with concrete. So basically asphalt or some type of stone. Stone blend material. In the event that the town is required to disturb those paved areas, the town would be then required to repave those areas. Is that an active water main? I believe it's a transmission line. The plans were referred to... I mean there's water in it. Yes. That's right. Yes. So I did speak to the Riverhead Water District. They did receive a copy of the plans. They are working with the applicant. They're trying to determine the feasibility of the applicant being able to tap off individual service mains to the houses off of that transmission line as well as the feasibility. I'll get to it a little bit later, but they will be required to put a fire hydrant along that common driveway just based on fire code requirements and the distance to the nearest hydrant. So the Riverhead Water District is currently investigating the feasibility of all those requirements. The water main, does it extend down to Middle Road? Yes. And we did speak earlier. I can't speak to why the map sort of shows the water line terminating about right there, but our GIS records do indicate, yes, that there is a 16-inch transmission line coming from the tank on Route 58 that connects all the way to Middle Road. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. So again, just touching on the potentially archeologically sensitive area, I did refer the application to SHPO through their cultural resource information system. Okay. Thank you. I received correspondence back from SHPO on March 7th indicating that no archeological and or historic resources would be impacted by the project. I got comments back from the Riverhead Highway Department. They're going to look for a standard road opening permit. We got comments back from the fire marshal. They deal with turnaround. So when driveway is in excess of 500 feet in length, they'll need a required turnaround. That'll be fire code. Driveways in excess of 500 feet in length, they'll need a fire code. Okay. So the fire hydrant must be provided within 600 feet in length and less than 20 feet in width, need to provide turnouts along the length of that driveway. And again, the fire hydrant must be provided within 600 feet as measured along that apparatus access road. So I did note this is just a subdivision plat for the purposes of review. I did note that the map would need to be amended to include a common driveway easement, which would need meets and bounds descriptions, and we're going to need an engineered grading drainage plan for that common driveway. The grade of the property typically does slope down towards middle road, so we want to make sure that any surfaces, they capture their runoff and they're adequately maintained and they're not putting . It could impact, since you have to have a turnaround, it could impact lot number four. So it wouldn't necessarily affect the lot size. That common driveway would just be an easement, so the area of the driveway and the turnaround wouldn't subtract from the lot size. It would just be encumbered by an access easement. But it wouldn't shrink the size of the property because again, we're not- Well, you have, if they had to give it up, that has property and they can give up if they have to give it up and still meet 20,000. Correct. But for a minor subdivision, they're not constructing a town roadway, so this would be a common driveway. There would be a note on the plans that it would not be for dedication to the town, so they would never be dedicating anything. It would just be part of their property that would be encumbered by the- Yeah. Common driveway easement. I did refer the application to the Suffolk County Planning Commission. We're waiting on a response for the Planning Commission. I did also refer the map to the Suffolk County Department of Health Services. So I do have a resolution on for the board to consider to schedule a public hearing for this application, which would be the second meeting in April. Again, I do apologize for the applicant not being here. He was aware, but if there's any questions that the board has, I can just- Yeah. I can just jot them down and relay them to the applicant to make sure that the board is comfortable and satisfied with moving forward to the public hearing. I'd like to see the map amended, certainly to show the turnaround and extend the water main and some drainage. Also, there's nothing there on elevations. I don't think the elevations are bad, but I don't know whether it's back to front, left to right. Hopefully, we could have that before the public hearing. Okay. Thank you. All right. If not, if they can't, then I would say we're going to have to hold the public hearing open. All right. So just to clarify, you want to amend the map to show the driveway, turnarounds, drainage, elevations, and the continuation of the water main and middle road. Yeah. Thank you. The same concerns I had, too, Greg. Now, they don't need to do any curbing at all on a-because it's minor. No. So again, it would be a common driveway. It's not something that was designed. It's not designed to town standards. Obviously, they need to maintain the point of stormwater. Right. But it's not something that would be designed to the town of Riverhead Road and drainage standards. Will they pave this? I'm assuming they would pave it. According to the town requirements. So again, there's no real town requirements for the common driveway. It's really relying on the State Fire Code. In terms of minimum width. Minimum. It needs to be able to hold 82,000 pounds. the weight of local fire apparatus and it needs to be in all weather conditions so it would likely need to be paid by some surface but that's why i requested in the report we need to see you know paving special paving specifications a lot of the town engineers look at that and confirm that it does meet those requirements any any lighting uh that has to be required i there's no street lighting there's no you know there's no municipal lighting that would be installed any lighting would be on the single family residence do we have to approve a yield map for this um that is that is a step we've done so we will we'll we have a yield map we'll do a yield approval and then a tdr approval okay we're good all good yeah all righty thank you greg uh let's go to discussion item number three 940 through 940. 6 west main street redevelopment
with you again greg
hey board how we doing doing good how are you and he gets more handsome every day flattery will get you everywhere if you guys joke around town as we look like each other uh just state your names to the record please frank fisher raise your cup and martin sandlesky i did it for you buddy thank you all right this morning
all right so this is just a follow-up discussion on the site plan for the redevelopment of the old blackman site uh 940 to 946 west main street uh this is for a site plan application that's going to demolish the existing structures construct a new three-story approximately 153 000 square foot self-storage building as well as a one-story approximately 47 000 square foot non-nuisance tenant rental building along with related improvements including parking paving drainage access and landscaping project site is six continuous parcels of the land low totaling approximately 5.92 acres identified as suffolk county tax map numbers 600-124-3-1 and 2 3 4 and 5 as well as tax map number 600-125-2-5.2 and they're all located within the platonic river community zoning district uh we did initiate a secret coordination on november 12th of 2024 it is a type 1 action we distributed secret coordination materials to all the involved agencies we received responses from the suffolk county planning commission as well as the new york state department of transportation and the fire marshal's office so what i have is a resolution to assume lead agency and issue a negative declaration i did fill out the eaf parts two and three again which is just a determination you know a evaluation of the magnitude of significance of the proposed development as well as the determination of significance uh finishing secret will allow the applicant they do have a pending zoning board of appeals application and i believe marty is probably going to speak a little bit about how the plan has been modified as a result of that what's wrong different wait first where is the blackman building on this? It's not shown on here. No, I know that. Where is it? Right about, it's just about in line with where the driveway is located. Oh, okay. It's pretty much in the middle there. The building from the left side is where the open area is, the paved area, and then there's the copy place, and then the black one, and as you get further east, it's the smaller part. So, basically, I actually got one of those getting old moments because I was writing my notes, and actually, last time we were here was March 21st of 24, so tomorrow's going to be a year since we were before you. Happy International Week. Since that time, there have been a number of changes that will certainly affect this board that you're aware of. One is you can no longer consider pervious pavers as pervious surface, now considered impervious. We have, at that meeting, gotten an initial approval from the board to proceed with that, so that was changed, and also the definition of floor area, you're no longer able to eliminate certain areas when you do your parking calculations. So, that's happened during the interim period. We went to the zoning board for a couple of for three variances. One was the impervious surface, FAR, and landscaped area. It was a very, actually, a very good review because one of the things that we did was we did a lot of work on the zoning board. One of the things that's different in this zone from other zones, with impervious surface, which is very important here, is that this zone actually has, under the site development, it has compliance with the dimensional table, which all of them do, but there's an additional note in this section of the code that says you need 50% landscaped area. And, as it turns out in our discussions with the zoning board, zoning board attorney, etc., it was really brought to our attention that, you know, that was really a legislative intent of the whole corridor coming from the west into Riverhead. So, with that, we had to really go to work and we did a big revision of the site plan based on that. The first plan that you have on the first page, this one here, is basically the plan we looked at the last time. It has, you know, they have the two driveways, the storage building, the building here. You notice that each building has a driveway wrapping all the way around. It on the original plan. And the red line is a reference line. And you'll see why that's there when we go to the next plan. So, this was the plan we had looked at originally. When you go to the next plan, the reference line is still there. There's that red reference line. But all of the green is now area that's no longer paved. That is, we reduced the project substantially in terms of all of its impervious surface. And the orange was certain areas that we were adjusting the plan where pervious surfaces were added. But what happened is now, based on the review with the zoning board and with Greg, we eliminated totally that need for the variance for the 50% landscaping area. And it's really important because we really brought the project to compliance with the intent of that corridor. It was really a very good couple of minutes. We had a lot of meetings. We got a lot of assistance from planning. And it worked out really well. And then the last copy here is just the same plan that has the color on it, but it's a little bit clearer. And I just want to note the changes. On this plan, you still have two driveways, okay, that enter into the site. On the storage building, that basically stayed the same. It didn't change really much at all. The storage building loops around, all the way around. We did flip the driveway and the parking in the front of the building. But generally, that stayed the same. The building number two to the west, you come in and as you come in, you're going to come in and there will be like a directory sign there because they have a shared cross access between the two properties. So you'll come in. That will be a nice landscaped area with a directory. You go left. There's parking for the public that's going to come in to the front of the building. And then a loop around the back with parking along the back and access to the overhead doors of the building. And then the doors in the back were bringing material in. And then we added a cross access back here that would be controlled with a gate that would be tied into the Knox box that the storage facility already had. The fire marshal wanted a Knox box, so they turned the key. All of these gates open, so they have full access around the site. They basically have a figure eight around both buildings. So those were the major changes there. The first change was on the building to the left. We no longer have the drive all the way around. We eliminated some footage. We now have the ramp down to the basement on the other side. And we also defined better what the use is. The use in the code was non-nuisance industry. Really the way that this is set up is to have a shop in the front, not a shop, but a location in the front with this merchandise. So let's say whatever the product is that people are involved with. An example would be, let's say, prefab fireplaces. And they'd have a little showroom. The upper area, the mezzanine, they'd have their office area where they would do administrative. And the back area would all be the warehousing of all the stuff. So with that, we eliminated any of the areas that we were looking to take out of the parking schedule. We were parking for the entire building. But before, we were using the 1 to 300 for that area. And then we were using the 1 to 300 for the other areas. We didn't have a full head room. [transcription gap] still require a relief from the zoning board of appeals we no longer require the landscaping area we do require the impervious that's really a direct result of that the change in the code though after we submitted if we if it was still allowed those pavers to be considered pervious we wouldn't have required that variance and so it changed but we did go from originally when we were here the overall development of the site this is where uh greg really explained well how they went through the change on the code because it really is you know courteous impervious like greg said it's really it's development whether it's you're parking on pavers you're parking on asphalt it still appears as development so that's really where the code change came from we really would i i told my client that i we really had to go to work because we couldn't exceed that 50 because that again is a legislative intent for the aesthetics of of uh you know west main street as you're approaching riverhead um so we completely eliminated that now we're just at 50 on the impervious originally the impervious is allowed at 40 we were going seeking 60 we've reduced the request for the variance in half to uh it's now 50 which is only a uh which is only a 25 percent increase and uh the far uh is the same as it was before but all of the additional floor area uh that increases the far is totally below grade what's from the grade level up is actually less than what the allowable far would be above grade we have most of that down below and the zoning board we had a couple of meetings and they reviewed it we had a very good review and they said they just wanted to reserve a decision until this board as the lead agency had it time how many feet to groundwater do you have there uh the groundwater was ice uh 17 oh yes it's high it's it's it's excuse me yeah you have a test hole on here and we are above the groundwater with the with the my my question is you got 11 foot ceilings down there you got ways to get down there what are you going to do with 56 000 plus feet in the basement which no one can see what's what's that that's warehousing that's warehouse yeah four uh well actually in building one which is the uh the storage building the this you know the strictly storage building yeah that building is that building is um there's a total of i'm looking at building two building two is a total of twenty six thousand two hundred fifty feet uh yes plus the uh and you've got and that's the best uh you got almost twenty thousand square feet of cello yeah that's correct so the the building two again they have uh that's for additional product and warehousing in the lower level. And building one, which is a storage, strictly a storage building, it's a self-storage building, there was a need established by my client for one of the things that you really don't have access to with the self-storage buildings, and that is there's a lot of people that have cars that they store. And actually there are a lot of clients, especially on the East End, who store cars seasonally because they, you know, we're talking, we're not talking about the family car, we're talking about $400,000, $500,000 vehicles that they use when they're out here in the summer. So there's a real need for vehicle storage out on the East End. Is that what that ramp is for? That lower level accommodates that. That's really, you can't put that into a storage building the way that they're built. They're more, you know, storage for household stuff, which the upper levels remain. And then the other building, having that being more clients or tenants, I should say, with, you know, showrooms and administrative and product, it's just for them to have the ability to have bulk product. What's the grade on that ramp going down? I know like some of these exotic cars have low front ends and everything. Yeah, well, what happens is there's actually, I would refer back to 48 Kroen. And this has the same exact geometry. What happens is with the approach ramps, you have to start with, I don't have the percentages in my head, but you have to come in and start at a lower slope and then go to a heavier slope, then to a lower slope, then to level. So it's not just a ramp. Yeah, I understand. It takes into account clearances and bumpers and all of that as you're going. So thank you. A quick question. On the other prints, you had an elevator in one of the buildings. Is that correct? Well, a storage building will have multiple elevators because the storage, the self-storage building, the way that they work, is people pull in. You'll see there's like a covered area on the east side where there's overhead doors. And they go in and they have carts inside. And they'll go in and they'll go up the elevator and they'll go around to where their storage unit is. Some of these units are only five by five. They just want to store files or whatever. So they go up and they get it and they wheel it back out to their car. So that's the bulk of the storage on the storage buildings. It's typical to most of the other self-storages. I know the one was just done over in Polish Town. Very similar. They go in and they go up and grab their stuff. Again, the cars you couldn't have in that model. The cars are strictly downstairs. And the elevator doesn't go downstairs because it doesn't need to because it's only for the vehicles. The other building is not an elevator. That, again, is a lower level that's accessible through the ramp and is, again, for storage. So we didn't need the elevators in there. But we do have an additional fire egress on that side that's required as well as the access to get through. So the elevator. The elevators won't be servicing the sellers at all? They'll just be servicing? Not on either building. The elevators will not service the base. Just for the first, second floors. Correct. Well, yeah, actually on the building two, the smaller building, there are no elevators. They only have a mezzanine, which is just like for a small office area. And per code, you don't require the elevator to those smaller areas. And in the storage building, again, that is strictly for the automobiles down below. Plus, the lower level is accessible through the use of the ramp. So with the elevator, then, is it going to be in a pit, like a hydraulic piston type of elevator? Or it's going to have a mechanical room on top with like a pulley? What we've been using now, we've been using ones with the mechanical room on top. They're actually much more efficient. We're reusing the piston elevators a lot. But the ones with the mechanical room on top is much better. Okay. Marty, what are the questions I have since we're here for the CEQA, any environmental problems? Yes. Okay. I'm going to ask you a question. Before you even start with the project, what I'm looking for, have you guys done any soil samples on the areas of where you're storing the cars and the whatever you're storing on east and west of the building? Only for any type of soil contamination from gas or oil? We did a phase two. When we bought the property, we did a phase two. It came back clean. Yeah, Miller Environmental did it. So can we request anything else? The results from the project? The results from those? So we can have them? Because you guys, you know, once you start tearing down, you're going to have to remove a lot of that soil. You know, where does that go if it is any type of contamination to it? No, there's no contamination. We had it all tested already. So you can have results, sure. Well, just to be clear, I think members of NICCI's concern is, you know, when you purchased the property, there were no vehicles or any kind of storage of equipment. I mean, since then, there's been vehicles that the board does not know what condition they're in. Oh, yeah. But they're not. There's no leaking vehicles, nothing like that. No, there's no, because we didn't bring contamination. No, I would never do that. No, no, but that's not my point. The point is those are not newer vehicles. They are on pervious surfaces on both sides of the building. What I'm saying is you can do very easy soil samples from where the vehicles are. Yeah, no problem. And if it's clear, it's fine and we can move forward. But, you know, I don't want somebody to ask that question later and stop the project while you guys are moving. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. I would imagine they could do a supplemental because they already did the phase, you know, they did the . Right, right, to do it in the areas where the vehicles are. But that's all. No, not a problem. The building two in the back, those are parking spaces? Correct. But you also said you're getting deliveries back there. Is that right? Correct. Mm-hmm. Okay. So there's room enough for trucks to turn around or whatever? Yeah, all of the back of the building, each of the tenant spaces has an overhead door. So you'd be able to actually pull right into the unit. Oh, okay. And that's... Each unit has an overhead door. And then your cross-axis easement is right there? Correct. And why do you need that? I just, we put it in there really for firefighting. So... When the people are there, they're not going to utilize that cross-axis. Right. It's, you know, the storage unit's pretty much secured. You want to make them separate. But it's really for the firemen. They come down, they turn that, the Knoxbox key, it'll open all of the gates, vehicular gates on site so they have full maneuverability in the event of a fire. Okay. Well, just for my own clarification, is the intent to merge all six parcels? So when we say cross-axis, we're typically talking about between properties. Is the plan, I'm assuming, to, as a function of the site plan, you'd merge the six properties? So it's not necessarily we'd have to file a cross-axis easement, it's just an access gate between the two sort of separate functioning sites, even though... So the plan is to merge the properties, correct? Yeah. Is the plan to make the six parcels one tax map? Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. Well, because they are six different tax maps right now. Right, yeah. We want to make it, yeah, one line. Yeah. I just used the cross-axis. Yeah, no, I don't think so. It's the word we always use. So in other words, that has to be done before anything else can be done. Is that correct? Yeah, we've done that before. We've had applications where parcels need to be merged. Okay. We just require proof of merger prior to the signature of any... I believe if they all end up in the same name, it happens automatically through Suffolk County. If they're undersized for the zoning, there's a section of our code that talks about merged by operation of law. Okay. That deals for parcels that are undersized within the zoning district. So for example, if you had two lots in a one-acre zone that were each 20,000 square feet that had a common property line that were held in the same ownership name, those would get merged by operation if they were... But if they're not undersized for the zoning district, they would not necessarily be merged by a property law. One of the things that I always do, though, also, is I really wouldn't allow my client to merge those properties until he has the approval. Because realistically, going through this process, we're looking to get an approval. And if for some reason there was issues that were brought up that either made the project not feasible or whatever, then what's there... You don't want to give up the lot. ...the code would stay, rightfully, and then the other lots, we could then develop all of them individually. So we'll keep that right until we have the approval. Yeah. And that's the reason I like to get soil samples, just in case those have a problem and then the middle doesn't. Anything else? Yep. Are you in the Sewer District? We are considering an extension of the Sewer District to the property. It is not in the Sewer District now. Well, part of the property is in the Sewer District. It's not served by sewer currently. It's across the street. We're looking at the extension of the sewer. There are two options. One is the extension of the sewer, and the other is on-site sewage. But the on-site sewage... ...requires, and you'd be familiar with this more than likely, the project that was done up on Past Dairyland there. Yeah. They actually, the county, will give you a much lesser flow on that big storage building because nobody ever... I've rented storage space. I've never used the bathroom there once. But you still use... Exactly. You still have to do the AI. Yeah, exactly. And we have that into the... We have that question into the county right now to see what that flow requirement would be because that could change the dynamic of whether we extend the sewer or not. Where is the sewer there? Right across the street? It's just to the west. I did go over this with Michael Reichel prior to this application. There was an extension of the Sewer District to incorporate, I believe, a portion of the Blackman site. I don't recall exactly when it was done. But they do have a petition to further extend the district. I mean, I think that's going to be a question for the health department. Based on the proximity to the sewer, they may just require it. It is also in the DEC WSRR zone. You know, when I spoke with Michael Reichel, he was sort of indicating that, yeah, they're likely going to have to cancel. Okay. Not too many... So just to Member Zelnicki's point, I just want to see where the board's at. So before we have a resolution on to assume lead agency, issue a negative declaration, would the board like to see any... sort of additional soil sampling before we adopt a negative declaration? There's no leak. I mean, there's no leak. I mean, we could have just tried to save some more time. It's been a while. Well, we could do a concurrent. Can we do it that way? Yeah. Yeah? I have no problem doing it. If you guys are going to bring your samples in, we'll get this going so it's concurrent. No problem. You okay with that, Kenny? Right. I'd just like to table it until we get results on the soil sample. Well, we can pass it. We can pass it. Potential contaminant... And again, there may not be... Right, there may not be. There may not be any leaks from these vehicles. We don't know. We don't know that for sure. But, I mean, it is an environmental factor. It is something the board should consider. So, I mean, if the board's leaning towards requiring that, I would recommend that we can... I would table the resolution so that way we can... I mean, they're not old cars. They're in two, three years. But I'm just saying, to Marty's point, if there is a problem, right, because I've been in areas on the farm and everything else. We are directed by Board of Health on everything else. We have soil samples, locked things up, but everything else. And we're just asking the same thing here. There may not be a problem. And if there's no problem, everything moves forward, you know, without any problem. But if there is a problem... But you say you have a Phase 1? Phase 2. [transcription gap] That property's been checked up, right, and down. What? By Millern at that? Before I bought it, I would have never bought it. You know, like I said... It came back clear. So, just those couple cars, there's no way that there's any type of... I'm not sure delaying it, because it might be a problem as well. If there is a spill of contamination, you're going to pay a remediation company... 100%. We're not going to stop the project. I don't know if it's... I'd imagine not delaying it. You know, like I had indicated when I started, I was sitting here and I looked back at my notes and I was like, wow, like tomorrow's a year since we were here. And the zoning board, they went through it and we had a really good back and forth with them. And, you know, they're holding it in abeyance for this review and other things. And so, again, a point very well noted, but it's something that certainly will be a requirement, you know, going through. And if there is an issue, we're happy to pay to clean it up. Like, we're not going to stop the project. Well, that's the whole thing. Yeah, no, 100%. So, we would ask that it be allowed to proceed, but that could be a note that's added to the... You know, that has a condition. Because then it lets us keep... So, with the... Just amend the resolution. Greg, can we amend the resolution, you know, to findings of... I mean, so that's sort of verging on a condition negative declaration, which is not allowed under SECRA for a Type 1 action. I mean, you can't really put a condition like that in for a Type 1. Well, why don't we look at the Phase 2 report? They haven't submitted it, have they? No, they haven't. But, I mean, again, the question is not what happened prior to the owner purchasing the property. The question is, what's happened on that property since then? I mean, again, I've... There's been no mechanic work. There's been no oil changes. There's been no... Like, nothing like that at all. The other point is that this is just... This is just one of the early hurdles. You still have to approve this. Right. You know, so all of these things have to be confirmed and mediated in order for you to give an approval. So, I would really encourage the board to allow the resolution to go as is. Keep it moving. And, again, we're going to... We require your preliminary site plan approval. We're going to require your final site plan approval. And you're not going to give us that unless we have those testing samples in there, right? All right. We'll get on it right away. We'll move on. If anybody wants to make a motion to table it, they can make the motion. We'll see if it carries. If not, we'll go with the resolution presented in the packet. But, are we all good with discussion on this? Yep. You guys good? Yeah. Kenny? Yep. Thank you. All right. All right. Any other comments on any resolution? I don't see any takers. At this time, we're going to go into executive session with our legal counsel to discuss summer wind farms. So, gentlemen, you have to step out for a brief period and we'll get you and resume. Can I get a motion to go into executive, please? So, move. Make a motion. Move to second. All in favor? Aye. All right. All opposed? Okay. We're going into executive.
Any other comments? Second. Move to second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Okay. Welcome back to open session. We just had legal advice on summer wind farms from our attorney. And now we're going to go to resolutions. I'll move resolution 2025-022 for 1107 Old Country Road. Carrying preliminary approval for the site plan application. So, moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote yes. The motion carries. I'll move resolution 2025-023, classifying action pursuant to SACRA and grants farm stand approval for Freeboard 23 LLC. Second. Second. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote yes. The motion carries. I'll move resolution 2025-024, Points East, LLC, Minor Subdivision. Resolution to schedule a public hearing in the minor subdivision application seeking to subdivide the existing 2.05 acre parcel. So, moved. Second. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Resolution number 2025-025, Leesam Associates, LLC, Minor Subdivision, resulting, assuming lead agency, and issue negligent declaration pursuant to secret. Second. Moved and seconded. Discussion item. Greg, I know you explained it to me before, but I forgot the reasoning that the subdivision and the zoning map are a little different. The zoning... So, the subdivision is essentially being carried out along the zoning district boundary line between rural corridor and the agricultural protection zone, except the proposed... The subdivision boundary line is 30 feet north of that zoning district line because there is a provision in the code which essentially allows you to use the... extend the less restrictive zone into the more restrictive zone. Okay. So, just from a... If I was a property owner from a land use point of view, it would make sense to sort of maximize the less restrictive portion of the property. Okay. Thank you for clarification. We have... It's been moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNiro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. An aye vote aye. The motion carries. On this resolution, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to table this resolution for 940... 946 West Main Street redevelopment. If anybody else agrees. I'll second the motion. I can do that, Mr. Chairman. Moved and seconded by...
occasion because there might be a problem. But we will get the answer. We will find out, Kenny, and I understand your reasoning for it. I have no problem with that. Okay. I'll move Resolution 202526. Assume lead agency status and issue a negative declaration pursuant to CEQA for 940 and 946 West Main. Second. Move to second, Mr. Zernicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nadero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. I vote yes. The motion carries. I'll move Resolution 2025027, Summerwind Farm Major Subdivision. Resolution rejecting sketch plan submitted in connection with the major subdivision application. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded discussion. I have a message here from the planning board as a whole. We were disappointed to learn that the applicant's representation was not the representative submitted documents to the planning board perpetrating to have been prepared by a licensed design professional when in fact they were not. We were asked by the design professional to remove the documents from the record so accordingly we have prepared a resolution to effect that in today's meeting. It's not clear whether and how the matter will progress after today and other information contained in the resolution the planning board will have no additional comments and refer all matters to the town attorney's office. I move. Second. Move to second. Second. Moved by Mr. Zernicki. Second. Moved by Mr. Baer? Aye. With that said, it's been moved and seconded. Mr. Zernicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Denaro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. And I vote yes. The motion carries. Public comments on any matter. Okay. Greg, no secret actions tonight. Oh, sir. Minutes of the meeting. February 20. I'm sorry. We have February 20. Yeah. Okay. I move the minutes of February 20 and 21. Okay. And I vote no. Okay. All in favor. Aye. All opposed. Okay. That carries. Other business. I don't know. Justin, can you zoom in on the center camera. Okay. This is other business. Can you move that a little bit. The question is, is the grass always greener on the other side of the fence. And it might be. If it's a grass-free grass. Okay. So, I'm going to ask you. I'm going to ask you. I'm going to ask you. I'll just head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I'll head over to you. I know Heather's opposed, so we'll discuss it further. But I brought those samples in and some literature for staff. That was it. We have two letters of correspondence on LISM, minor subdivision. Our next meeting date will be Thursday, April 3, 2025, at 6 p.m. Anybody else? Any issues? Everybody's good? Yeah. Okay, well done, everybody. Can we get a motion to close? Motion to close. So moved. Second. Moved and seconded. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, everybody.