April 17, 2025 — Planning Board

Planning Board Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
0:30Thank you.
1:00Thank you, Justin.
1:26Good afternoon, everybody.
1:28It's Thursday, April.
1:30It's April 17th at 3 o'clock,
1:32and that's the advertised time and place for the planning board meeting.
1:34Please join the board in standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.
1:39I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
1:43and to the republic for which it stands,
1:46one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
1:54Good afternoon, everybody.
1:55Good afternoon, everybody.
1:58We do have one public hearing today.
2:00We have one public hearing today.
2:01Points East, LLC, minor subdivision.
2:04Greg, can you bring us up to speed, please?
2:06Yes, sir.
2:07Good afternoon, Chairman, members of the planning board.
2:09For the record, Greg Bergman, senior planner with the Riverhead Planning Department.
2:13And I do want to acknowledge I received for this public hearing
2:16the affidavit of posting and mailing, the required mailing notices,
2:19and the photographs showing the proof of posting.
2:22What we have is a public hearing for a four-lot minor subdivision of land.
2:27The subject property is located at 455.
2:30Middle Road, Riverhead, New York.
2:31More particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Map number 600-84-1-6.
2:38Subject property is 2.05 acres in size.
2:41It's located on the south side of Middle Road.
2:43It is presently improved with an existing single-family residence.
2:47The proposed subdivision seeks to create a four-lot minor subdivision
2:50utilizing transfer of development rights through the town of Riverhead,
2:54which is authorized by the town code.
2:56The proposed action is a type 2 action pursuant to SECRA,
3:00which is a section of the
3:30I have spoken with the applicant.
3:39He is working on preparing a grading and drainage plan for that proposed driveway.
3:42We did get comments back from the Riverhead Fire Marshal.
3:45There are certain requirements that need to be met in terms of the width of the driveway,
3:49construction of the driveway, ability to sustain weight of an emergency vehicle in the event of a fire.
3:54The applicant is currently working with the Riverhead Water District.
3:57There is an easement that runs to the north and south through the property along the western property boundary.
3:59And we have spoken with the applicant.
3:59We have clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear
4:29NEED TO BE COMPLETED AND REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THERE WILL NEED TO BE RESTRICTIONS
4:34AND COVENANTS THAT WOULD BE FILED ON THIS PROPERTY TO RECORD THOSE RECEIVING OF THOSE
4:40TDRS.
4:41DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TDRS THERE ARE?
4:43TWO TDRS.
4:44IT'S ESSENTIALLY ONE TDR PER ADDITIONAL LOT.
4:47THEY GO DOWN TO THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO GO DOWN TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET EVEN THOUGH IT'S
4:52WITHIN THE 40,000 SQUARE FEET ZONE.
4:54YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE DENSITY WITH THE USE OF TDRS.
4:58BEYOND THAT, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
5:00THE APPEALGON IS HERE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
5:02THANK YOU, GREG.
5:04WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK?
5:06I WILL.
5:08I DO.
5:09I JUST REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE THE LAST TIME IT CAME IN, WE WERE WORRYING
5:15ABOUT THE WATER MAIN.
5:18YEAH.
5:19SO THE WATER MAIN.
5:20IT'S ACTIVE?
5:21SO THE WATER MAIN IS ACTIVE.
5:23IT IS PART OF THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK FOR THE RIVERHEAD WATER DISTRICT.
5:26AGAIN, THEY'RE WORKING ON.
5:28THEY NEED TO DETERMINE THE CONDITION OF THE PIPE, DETERMINE IF IT'S SUITABLE TO ACTUALLY
5:33TAP OFF OF.
5:34BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPEALGON IS WORKING ON WITH THE WATER DISTRICT.
5:37WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT GRANT ANY APPROVALS BEFORE WE GET FORMAL COMMENTS FROM THE RIVERHEAD
5:41WATER DISTRICT.
5:43BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON IDENTIFYING THAT ISSUE.
5:47IS THERE ALSO A MAIN IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY?
5:51YES.
5:52I BELIEVE THERE IS A 12-INCH MAIN IN MIDDLE ROAD.
5:54OKAY.
5:55I BELIEVE IT'S A DISTRIBUTION LINE.
5:57I THINK IT'S.
5:58IT'S NOT A DEAD END.
5:59THAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS WORKING ON.
6:00I CAN HANDLE A LITTLE BIT.
6:01YEAH.
6:02OKAY.
6:03SO I WENT DOWN TO THE.
6:04EXCUSE ME, SIR.
6:05THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
6:06SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
6:07SHAW MORRISON, 38 MILL POND LANE, EAST MERCHES, NEW YORK.
6:11I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
6:13SO I HAD A MEETING AT RIVERHEAD WATER AUTHORITY.
6:16I MET WITH WHO WAS IN CHARGE THERE.
6:17AND I THINK THEY BROUGHT IN THE PRE-EXISTING PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE.
6:22IS IT CORWIN?
6:23I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.
6:24SO THEY BROUGHT HIM IN BECAUSE HE UNDERSTOOD THE PREVIOUS AND THE OLD LINES OF PIPES THAT
6:28GO THROUGH THE TOWN.
6:30SO THAT IS, I THINK, AN 18-INCH MAIN THAT'S SURROUNDED BY A 24-INCH.
6:34AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO EXPAND SOME OF THE WAY THE TOWN WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED.
6:41WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM, HE'S LIKE, YOU CAN LIKELY TAP A FIRE HYDRATE OFF IF NEEDED.
6:46YOU CAN ALSO TAP WATER LINES IF NEEDED.
6:48HE'S LIKE, AND IF WE DECIDED NOT THAT, THERE'S A WATER MAIN ON MIDDLE ROAD AND WE CAN BRING
6:52WATER LINES UP FROM THAT WAY.
6:54BUT HE WAS ABLE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION AND THERE'S WATER FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES.
6:59THAT WATER LINE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
7:03WE ARE ALLOWED TO PUT A DRIVEWAY OVER THE TOP OF IT.
7:05WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BLOCK IT.
7:07WE JUST HAVE TO ALLOW THEM USAGE OF THE DRIVEWAY IF THEY EVER HAVE TO SERVICE.
7:12THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE, DO YOU PLAN TO TAKE IT DOWN OR?
7:16SO WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE STILL NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING
7:22TO DO.
7:23SO IT'S POSSIBLE.
7:24WE MIGHT REHAB IT AND THERE'S AN OPEN PERMIT TO DO SO.
7:29THE HOUSE IS IN PRETTY POOR SHAPE.
7:31HOWEVER, ACROSS THE STREET IS AN IDENTICAL HOME THAT PREEXISTS AND LOOKS REALLY NICE
7:36AND WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO REUSE IT AS MUCH OF THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE TO MAKE IT LOOK
7:41LIKE IT WAS ORIGINAL USAGE.
7:44AND THEN BEHIND THERE, THREE LOTS WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
7:49PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THE PREVIOUS BUILDER TO THE WEST DID.
7:52THERE'S A SIMILAR FLAG LOT WITH THREE LOTS UP.
7:54WE WOULD PROBABLY BE PROPOSING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
7:57NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU.
7:58NEW SPEAKER DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE?
8:00NEW SPEAKER NOT AT ALL.
8:01NEW SPEAKER OKAY.
8:02NEW SPEAKER YEAH.
8:03THANK YOU.
8:04NEW SPEAKER ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CARE TO COMMENT?
8:05NEW SPEAKER NO.
8:06NEW SPEAKER THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO ZOOM FOLKS HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY THEM IN IF THEY
8:11LIKE.
8:12NEW SPEAKER WE HAVE NO ONE ON ZOOM.
8:13NEW SPEAKER NO ONE ON ZOOM.
8:14NEW SPEAKER BOARD MEMBERS?
8:15ANY OTHER?
8:16NEW SPEAKER MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
8:19NEW SPEAKER SECOND.
8:20NEW SPEAKER MOVED AND SECOND.
8:21MR. ZELNICKI?
8:22NEW SPEAKER YES.
8:24NEW SPEAKER MR. HOGAN?
8:25NEW SPEAKER YES.
8:26NEW SPEAKER MR. DINERO?
8:27NEW SPEAKER AYE.
8:28NEW SPEAKER MR. BEAR?
8:29NEW SPEAKER YES.
8:30NEW SPEAKER AND I VOTE AYE.
8:31MOTION CARRIES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
8:32GOOD LUCK.
8:33NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU.
8:34NEW SPEAKER WE HAVE FOUR DISCUSSION ITEMS.
8:35I WANT TO SEE WHO STANDS UP FOR THIS ONE.
8:36THE HENPECKED HUSBAND FARM STANDS.
8:38NEW SPEAKER UNFORTUNATELY THE OWNER COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.
8:43NEW SPEAKER TOO EMBARRASSED TO SHOW?
8:45NEW SPEAKER NO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S NAME IS STERLING SHURGEN.
8:49I THINK IT'S UNDER NORTHWOOD REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS BUT IT'S CALLED HENPECKED HUSBAND FARM FOR
8:53ANYONE WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY.
8:56SO WE RECEIVED A FARM STAND APPLICATION TO LEGALIZE A PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED FARM STAND
9:02BUILDING AT 1254 NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE IN RIVERHEAD.
9:06SOUTHWOOD COUNTY TAX RATE NUMBER 665-5-10.
9:12THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS A 15.9 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE.
9:18IT'S ABOUT 950 FEET NORTH FROM THE INTERSECTION OF NORTHVILLE AND DOCTOR'S PATH.
9:24THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ENGAGED IN BONIFIED AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS
9:29HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD TO THE TOWN OF RIVERHEAD ON THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY.
9:33THE OWNER DID RETAIN A 2.59 ACRE AREA ALONG NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE.
9:39THAT'S WHERE THE FARM STAND IS LOCATED.
9:42AND UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE THE FARM STAND WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT PERMITS HE IS A LITTLE
9:46TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
9:48SO NOT WITHIN THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY BUT HE'S 13.3 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
9:54AND OUR CODE DOESN'T DEFINE A SETBACK FOR A FARM STAND.
9:58SO WE GO BY THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS WHICH WOULD BE 60 FEET IN APZ ZONING.
10:05SO HE DOES NEED RELIEF FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
10:08AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN MADE AND HE'S SET TO BE HEARD NEXT WEEK AT THE BOARD'S MEETING.
10:12BUT I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD JUST TO SEE IF ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS.
10:18UM. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE FARM STAND IS
10:20GOING TO BE UNATTENDED.
10:21THEY DO WANT TO SELL, THEY GROW NUMEROUS KINDS OF FLOWERS ON THE PROPERTY.
10:26THEY WERE DOING WHOLESALE.
10:27THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO MORE OF A RETAIL WHICH AGAIN IS PERMITTED.
10:31THEY HAVE A BONIFIED ARTICULTURAL OPERATION THERE.
10:34THEY'LL BE USING WELL WATER TO PROVIDE WATER FOR THE FLOWERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, THEY'LL
10:40DO BOQUETS AND I GUESS CUT FLOWERS THERE.
10:42THERE WILL BE ELECTRIC FOR THE FARM STAND BUILDING.
10:45SO OBVIOUSLY IF THEY RECEIVE THE APPROPRIATE RELIEF FROM THE ZONING BOARD THEY'LL COME
10:49BACK FOR FARM STAND APPROVAL AND THEN FOLLOW UP WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH THE APPROPRIATE
10:54PERMITS.
10:55I REFERRED IT OVER TO OUR TOWN ENGINEER JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE INSTALLING A DRY WELL IN
10:59ORDER TO CONTAIN ANY SORT OF STORM WATER RUNOFF.
11:03THE TOWN ENGINEER REQUESTED THAT THE APPECTS PROVIDE A DETAIL AND PLAN VIEW OF THE PROPOSED
11:08DRY WELL WHICH HE DID.
11:09SO THERE'S AN UPDATED SURVEY SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE DRY WELL AND THE APPECENT ALSO PROVIDE
11:15A NARRATIVE LIKE HOW DEEP IT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW BIG AND DREW WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT.
11:21SO THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION.
11:22DID THEY RECEIVE A STOP WORK ORDER?
11:24YES.
11:25CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER.
11:27HE MADE AN APPLICATION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUT HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS
11:31OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET THE FARM STAND APPROVAL.
11:33SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO INTRODUCE IT TO THE BOARD FIRST THEN GO TO ZONING BOARD AND
11:38IF HE IS GRANTED THE SETBACK RELIEF HE CAN COME BACK FOR APPROVAL AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE
11:43TO FINISH HIS FARM STAND BEFORE THE NEXT TIME.
11:45I NOTICED THERE WERE ONLY THREE PARKING SPOTS.
11:50AS DISCUSSED NUMEROUS TIMES, THERE IS NO PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR FARM STANDS IN OUR TOWN CODE.
11:57IF YOU WERE TO GO BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE AND GO ONE PER 300 WHICH I THINK
12:02IS OUR PARKING SCHEDULE, IT'S ANY USE NOT SPECIFICALLY DEFINED.
12:07HE HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING THERE.
12:10MOST FARM STANDS AS WE HAVE SEEN THERE IS A GRAVEL AREA.
12:14THE SIDE OF THE PARKING STAND IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
12:15STALLS AREN'T TYPICALLY DEMARCATED.
12:17THEY CAN ALSO USE THE GRASS AREA.
12:19IN THIS CASE, I WOULD WANT THEM TO AT LEAST SHOW AN ACCESSIBLE STALL, NOT JUST ONE.
12:24BECAUSE THIS IS UNATTENDED, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT MUCH PARKING.
12:28I REFERRED IT TO THE COUNTY, BUT THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CURB CUTS OR IMPROVEMENTS
12:32WITHIN THE COUNTY RIDEAWAY.
12:34SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH.
12:37HOW DO THEY TAKE ORDERS?
12:40IF IT'S UNMANNED AND PEOPLE JUST DRIVE IN, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT CAN COMMUNICATE.
12:44I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH ANDREW'S FARM STANDS.
12:48IT'S CALLED AN HONOR TRAILER WHERE THEY HAVE THINGS OUT DURING THE WINTER OR THE OFF-SEASON
12:52AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE MAILBOX THAT PEOPLE WILL PUT MONEY IN.
12:56IT'S PRETTY COMMON AMONG A LOT OF THE SMALLER FARM STANDS TOO.
13:00MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY THERE FOR MOTHER'S DAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE OPEN
13:05TO SORT OF HELP PEOPLE, EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THE FLOWERS ARE.
13:08BUT AGAIN, I DON'T IMAGINE IT BEING A HUGE PARKING DEMAND.
13:13SO WEATHER IS A BIG ISSUE.
13:14WHETHER IT'S ATTENDED OR UNATTENDED, I DON'T THINK, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE,
13:18I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LARGE SCALE OPERATION.
13:22WHAT ABOUT SIGNAGE?
13:24THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY SIGNAGE.
13:26OBVIOUSLY IF THEY WANTED TO DO A SIGN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS
13:30WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
13:31THAT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE APPLICATION AND I IMAGINE IT WOULD BE REFERRED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.
13:37I JUST WANTED TO GET A FEEL FOR IF YOU GUYS HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS.
13:41I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A BOARD OF STANDS.
13:44THEY SHOULD HAVE A PORTA SAND ON THE PROPERTY.
13:46OH, A PORTA POTTY?
13:47YES.
13:48OKAY, THAT'S SOMETHING.
13:51I THINK THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT MOST FARM STANDS DO THAT DON'T HAVE ON-SITE BATHROOM FACILITIES,
13:55BUT I'LL BRING THAT UP.
13:56THIS IS ALL STUFF THAT I WANT TO BRING BACK TO THE APPLICANT THAT WAY THEY CAN WORK ON IT
14:01IN THE INTERIM WHILE THEY'RE GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
14:04WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO THE CBA?
14:05NEXT WEEK.
14:06HEATHER, REAL QUICK, BEFORE HE PUT THE FRAME STAND UP, THE FARM STAND,
14:13DID HE INQUIRE TO ANYONE ABOUT THE FOOTAGE AWAY FROM THE ROAD OR HE JUST?
14:17NO, NOT THAT.
14:18I MEAN, THEY HAD, I THINK THEY HAD LIKE A LITTLE, LIKE A HOTCH ON WHEELS THERE,
14:22WHICH WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD COME IN FOR A FARM STAND
14:26APPLICATION FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING IT IN EVERY NIGHT.
14:28SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE JUST ASSUMED.
14:31I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
14:34IT WAS REFERRED TO AG ADVISORY.
14:36I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH PHIL SCHMIDT.
14:38THEY HAD THEIR MEETING ON MONDAY JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY SAID.
14:42OKAY.
14:43AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF FARM STANDS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE ROAD,
14:47BUT THIS IS PRETTY WELL BUILT TO BE THAT CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
14:52YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY UNDER THE ZONING BOARD'S PERVIEW TO, YOU KNOW,
14:56WEIGH THE, YOU KNOW, DO THE BALANCING TEST FOR THE AREA VARIANCE.
15:00I KNOW A LOT OF LIKE SMALLER FARM STANDS ARE CLOSER, FATHER AWAY.
15:03AGAIN, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE I THINK FOR FARM STANDS THEY WANT THE VISIBILITY,
15:07BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC SETBACK FOR FARM STANDS IN THE CODE.
15:11THEY DON'T FALL UNDER ACCESSORY STANDS.
15:12OKAY.
15:13AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRUCTURE SETBACKS BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY IN THE FRONT YARD.
15:16SO WE JUST DEFER TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS AND APZ AT 60 FEET.
15:20I SUSPECT THAT GIVEN THE NAME HEN-PECKED HUSBAND, HIS WIFE MADE HIM DO IT.
15:24JUST GUESSING.
15:26AND HEATHER, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE RAIL FENCE, THE IRON FENCE?
15:31YEAH, SO I INCLUDED BECAUSE THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO THE TOWN,
15:36THE FARM LAND COMMITTEE, ALL THE STRUCTURES BACK THERE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THEM.
15:42SO THEY APPROVED AN EIGHT FOOT POST AND WIRE DEER FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY,
15:47EVEN WITHIN THE RETAINED AREA.
15:49AND IT WAS UP THERE.
15:50AND AT SOME POINT HE SWITCHED THE FRONTAGE ALONG NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE TO THAT BLACK ESTATE FENCE.
15:55IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT MATERIAL.
15:58AND I KNOW HE DID GO TO FARMLAND, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY APPROVED OF IT OR NOT.
16:03THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO DO SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON BECAUSE IF IT'S IN THE RETAINED PORTION,
16:09TECHNICALLY HE DOESN'T NEED FARMLAND APPROVAL.
16:11BUT EIGHT FEET EXCEEDS THE ALLOWABLE FENCE HEIGHT.
16:14IT SHOULD BE FOUR FEET, RIGHT?
16:15FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT.
16:16BUT WE ALLOW FARMS TO HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT DEER FENCE.
16:20BUT I THINK LIKE IN MOST CASES IT'S...
16:22WE LOOKED IT UP BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THERE'S REALLY NO CRITERIA, SADLY, THAT SAYS DEER FENCING.
16:27YEAH.
16:28SO THAT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK ON MY END.
16:32BUT I INCLUDE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT JUST SO YOU'RE ALL AWARE.
16:35THANK YOU.
16:36AND THAT FENCE THAT HE JUST PUT IN, HEATHER, IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE ROAD?
16:39YEAH.
16:40IT'S WHOLLY WITHIN HIS PROPERTY.
16:41AND I MEAN TECHNICALLY YOU CAN PUT FENCES RIGHT UP TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
16:44YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT ENCROACHING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
16:51ANYTHING ELSE, GENERAL?
16:52ANYTHING ELSE?
16:53THAT WAY I CAN GIVE THEM A LAUNDRY LIST TO LOOK OVER.
16:55ALL RIGHT.
16:56SO IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE ZONING BOARD, WE'LL BE BACK.
16:59OKAY.
17:00THANK YOU.
17:01STAY RIGHT UP THERE, HEATHER, BECAUSE WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, 47 PELLETREU LLC FARMSTAND.
17:08I THINK KEN JEN IS HERE.
17:10WE'RE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ONE.
17:12DO YOU WANT TO COME UP, KEN?
17:17HELLO, KEN.
17:18GOOD EVENING.
17:26DO YOU HAVE ALL THE SURVEYS?
17:28OKAY.
17:29I THINK I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN THIS EBA FILE.
17:33ALL RIGHT.
17:34SO THIS APPLICATION IS ALSO FOR FARMSTAND.
17:39IT'S WITHIN AN APPLICANT.
17:40IT'S AN EXISTING FARM.
17:42IT'S LOCATED AT 2241 ROADOAK AVENUE, SEPA COUNTY TAXA NUMBER 600-42-1-24.2.
17:52SO THIS IS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS RELIEF.
17:55IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT CASE.
17:57SO THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ONLY .91 ACRES.
18:01SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE ACRES REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A FARMSTAND OTHER THAN THE ALLEGIABILITY CRITERIA.
18:09SO FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF A FARMING FAMILY, SHE HAS GROUND LEASES WHERE
18:14SHE HAS ACRES WHERE SHE'S GROWN AND WILL BE GROWING HER FLOWERS, WHICH WILL BE FOR SALE
18:19AT THE FARMSTAND.
18:21UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THAT THE ALLEGIABILITY CRITERIA IS WORDED, BECAUSE THE AG PRODUCTION
18:26ISN'T HAPPENING ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL WHERE THE FARMSTAND IS, SHE NEEDS TO GET RELIEF
18:31FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THAT.
18:33SO AGAIN, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN MADE, AND THE ZBA WILL BE HEARING THIS CASE AT THEIR
18:38MEETING NEXT WEEK.
18:41SO THE EXISTING BARN HAS BEEN THERE.
18:43IT HAS A LETTER OF PREEXISTING USE, AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY PART OF A LARGER PARCEL OF LAND
18:49THAT UNDERWENT A SUBDIVISION YEARS AGO.
18:52SO AT ONE POINT, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SURVEY HERE, THERE'S LOT TWO, LOT THREE, AND LOT
18:58ONE.
18:59IT WAS SPLIT INTO THREE SEPARATE PARCELS.
19:01LOT ONE IS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT'S OWN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
19:05LOT TWO HAS THE BARN.
19:08AND THEN LOT THREE IS STILL FULLY ENGAGED IN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION.
19:12OH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
19:14SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIZE IN TOTALITY.
19:21LOT THREE, WHICH IS I THINK STILL UNDER OWNERSHIP OF THE FAMILY.
19:25WHERE IS LOT THREE?
19:27IS THAT THE NORTHERN MOST?
19:29IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROANOKE.
19:31SO ROANOKE AVENUE IS HERE.
19:33THIS IS GOING NORTH.
19:35LOT TWO IS WHERE THE BARN IS.
19:37OKAY.
19:38AND TO THE WEST, LIKE BEHIND EVERYTHING, IS THAT 50-ACRE PARCEL.
19:42OH, THAT'S LOT THREE.
19:43THAT'S LOT THREE.
19:44SO THIS AT ONE POINT WAS ALL ONE PROPERTY, BUT IT GOT SUBDIVIDED.
19:48SO THAT SORT OF CREATES THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, SHE WANTS TO USE THE EXISTING BARN AS A FARM STAND,
19:54BUT BECAUSE OF THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA AND THE WORDING IN TOWN CODE,
19:57SHE NEEDS SOWNING BOARD OF APPEALS RELIEF BECAUSE IT'S NOT.
19:59WHERE'S THE ACCESS TO LOT NUMBER THREE?
20:02SO IF YOU LOOK HERE, THIS IS PART OF LOT THREE.
20:06AND THEN THERE'S ALSO HERE TOO.
20:08SO IT'S NOT CREATING A LANDLOCK?
20:10NO, NO, NO.
20:11OKAY.
20:12AND THE PARCEL WHERE THE BARN IS HAS FRONTAGE ALONG THE RENDER GIVING YOU.
20:16THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT AND A STONE DRIVEWAY.
20:23SO LET'S JUST SKIP FORWARD.
20:25I REFERRED THIS TO ENGINEERING.
20:26DREW HAD NO COMMENTS.
20:27IT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
20:29THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY SORT OF ADDITIONS TO IT.
20:34SHE DID PROVIDE GROUND LEASES FOR HER.
20:37THE LEASE FARM PARCEL IS JUST TO SHOW THAT SHE NEEDS THE AVERAGE REQUIREMENTS AND WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE AG EXCEPTION.
20:45DOES THE FACILITY HAVE A RESTROOM OR ARE YOU GOING TO USE A PORT?
20:48IT DOES, RIGHT?
20:49YEAH, THE LPEU IS FOR THE BARN AND THE BATHROOM.
20:52SO THE BATHROOM IS THERE ALREADY.
20:54I DID INQUIRE AS TO THE LOCATION OF THE SANITARY SYSTEM.
20:59AND THE SURVEYOR WAS ABLE TO SHOW THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SANITARY SYSTEM.
21:03I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW OLD IT IS.
21:05BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BENEFIT THE AG.
21:07SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THE AG TO KNOW THOSE DETAILS IF THERE'S EVER AN ISSUE IN THE FUTURE.
21:12I DID REFER IT OVER TO HIGHWAY JUST TO SEE IF MIKE HAD ANY INPUT.
21:16I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK.
21:18BUT, AGAIN, THE CURB CUT THAT'S THERE IS EXISTING.
21:20THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW PARKING AREAS.
21:23BUT IN THE APPLICATION, IT WAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING FOR VEHICLES.
21:31THEY HAVE THIS AREA, THE LITTLE TURNAROUND HERE, AND THEN THE GRASS AREAS.
21:35BUT WITH THE OTHER FARMING AREAS, THEY HAVE A LITTLE TURNAROUND HERE.
21:37SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE APPLICATION, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE AN ACCESSIBLE STALL DELINEATED ON THERE.
21:43YOU KNOW, AND IMPROVED APPROPRIATELY.
21:45THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF GRAVEL THAT CAN BE USED.
21:49AND THEN THIS WAS REFERRED TO AG ADVISORY AS WELL.
21:52AND THEY MET ON MONDAY.
21:54WERE YOU THERE, KEN?
21:56I WAS NOT, BUT MY CLIENT WAS, AND SHE SAID THEY WERE SUPPORTING.
21:58OKAY.
21:59SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH BILL SCHMIDT AND THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE TO CONFIRM.
22:04I'M STILL CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THIS IS.
22:07I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THE INTERSECTION OF THE STAND.
22:09NO, NO, NO, JUST LISTEN FOR A MINUTE.
22:10OKAY.
22:11I HAVE A MAP HERE THAT SAYS YOUNG AND YOUNG.
22:14AND IT'S LOT TWO AND LOT THREE.
22:17AND THEN THERE'S A MAP, THERE'S A STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE.
22:26THAT'S THE RESIDENT HOUSE.
22:28SO THAT'S ACTUALLY LOT ONE ON THE SUBDIVISION MAP.
22:31I THINK THEY INCLUDED THAT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.
22:34LIKE, THEY LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE CLOSED FARM STANDS.
22:37OKAY.
22:38AND THEN THIS THEN BECOMES THE FARM LOT.
22:43THIS IS THE FARM LOT, RIGHT?
22:45DOES THAT SAY FRAME BARN ON IT?
22:48YES, THAT'S THE FARM.
22:49THAT'S WHERE THE FARM STAND IS GOING TO BE WITHIN THE FARM.
22:51OKAY.
22:52I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS BECAUSE I HAD ANOTHER MAP.
22:55WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE?
22:56ON YOUR WAY HOME TODAY, GO NORTH ON ROANOAK AND YOU'LL SEE IT.
22:59I KNOW WHERE IT IS.
23:03BUT IT'S AN OLD BARN AND SHE RESTORED IT.
23:05THEY RECEIVED A MAP.
23:07I THINK IT'S FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DO NEW ELECTRIC IN THE BATHROOM AND THROUGHOUT
23:11THE BARN.
23:12I BELIEVE THERE WERE SOME OTHER CHANGES MADE THAT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED UP WITH THE BUILDING
23:18DEPARTMENT.
23:19BUT IF FARM STAND APPROVAL IS GRANTED, THEY'LL NEED A CORRESPONDING PERMIT AND CO FOR THAT.
23:23SO I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD ALL BE HANDLED UNDER ONE PERMIT.
23:28I HAVE A QUESTION.
23:30IT SAYS ON HERE PROPOSED USES.
23:32IT SAYS FLOWER FARM, BARM STAND CLASSES AND BARN EVENTS.
23:37WHAT ARE BARN EVENTS?
23:39I SPOKE WITH PEGGY THE OTHER DAY AND I GUESS THE QUILTING ASSOCIATION OR I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY
23:45WHAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SORT OF A QUILTING FESTIVAL.
23:49I INFORMED HER THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HANDLED THROUGH A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT THROUGH THE
23:53TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE IF IT'S PUBLIC.
23:55IF SHE WANTED TO DO PRIVATE FLOWER CLASSES AS ACCESSORY USED TO THE FARM STAND, AS LONG
24:01AS THE FIRE MARSHAL AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT ARE SATISFIED WITH THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING
24:06AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
24:07IF THEY DON'T EXCEED WHATEVER OCCUPANCY THEY'RE LIMITED TO, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
24:14THAT WAS MY CONCERN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING AND IT IS A BIG
24:18BARN.
24:19I WAS THINKING WEDDINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
24:22HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU EXPECT TO HAVE AT A QUILTING?
24:25SHE'S GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE TOWN CODE.
24:27SO WHATEVER THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES OF HER.
24:30SHE'S VERY SAVVY.
24:32SHE DOES READ IT A LOT.
24:34SO SHE'S AWARE OF WHAT THE TOWN CODE AND WHAT SPECIAL EVENTS ARE.
24:36WHAT TRIGGERS A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION.
24:39SHE DOES LIVE NEXT DOOR.
24:41SO SHE'S NOT LOOKING TO HAVE A 300 PERSON WEDDING WITH ONE BATHROOM AND HER AND HER HUSBAND AND HER FAMILY
24:48LIVING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY.
24:50BUT SHE IS AWARE OF CODE REQUIREMENTS AND OCCUPANCY.
24:55THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL PUT AN OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT AND SHE WILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE TOWN CODE.
25:01SO THEY'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRE MARSHALS AND EVERYTHING AS FAR AS THAT?
25:04THEY'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW.
25:05I HAVE NOT.
25:06SHE MAY HAVE BEEN.
25:07I KNOW I HAVE NOT BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL.
25:10BUT DEFINITELY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, THAT'S GOING TO BE, I BELIEVE THEY ALREADY REFERRED THE APPLICATION.
25:17OKAY.
25:18AND THEN WE GO TO THE ZONING BOARD NEXT WEEK.
25:20SO IT'S ALL PREDICATED ON THE ZONING BOARD IF THEY GRANT THE RELIEF OR NOT.
25:24AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK AND IF FARM STAND APPROVAL IS GRANTED SUBJECT TO WHATEVER POSITIONS,
25:29THEY WOULD ALSO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPER BUILDING AND FIRE MARSHAL PERMITS.
25:35VERY GOOD.
25:36THANK YOU.
25:37ANYBODY ELSE?
25:40THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
25:42HAPPY EASTER, EVERYBODY.
25:44SAME TO YOU.
25:45SAME TO YOU.
25:46THANK YOU.
25:47LET'S MOVE TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, EC BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT WITH MATT
25:53CHARTERS.
25:55YOU CAN COME.
25:57YEAH, YOU GUYS COME HERE.
25:59COME ON.
26:00YOU WANT TO HOLD IT UP AGAIN?
26:02YEAH.
26:03OKAY.
26:04THANK YOU.
26:05CAN YOU SHOW US THAT DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP
26:06DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP
26:07DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP
26:08You have that plan right in the middle.
26:24That'll be very helpful.
26:27Just watch the money.
26:28I don't want to get you in trouble.
26:34Steven, while we're setting up, if you can introduce everybody.
26:37Sure.
26:37Good afternoon.
26:41Thank you for having us.
26:43Steven LaSquadra on behalf of DC Battery Storage,
26:48a project on Edwards Avenue in Calverton,
26:51immediately adjacent to the railroad tracks.
26:55The developer on the project is Rhineland Energy.
26:59A principal of Rhineland Energy is here.
27:01He's immediately to my right.
27:02That's Gus Hadidi.
27:04We have Walter Sieber.
27:07He's from IMEC, our engineers and architects on the project.
27:12Should there be any questions that you might have
27:14regarding site layout or any particulars
27:17beyond what Matt is going to describe,
27:19Walter would be very happy to answer those.
27:22And, of course, we have to my left Paul Rogers from ESRG.
27:28Paul's a veteran at FDNY.
27:32Surely, by anyone's measure, the leading fire safety expert,
27:37and consultant regarding battery energy storage projects in the country,
27:43works very closely with Andrew Smith, your fire marshal.
27:47And Paul and I have also worked closely with Andrew
27:50and the fire commissioners of the Riverhead Fire District
27:53to explain the nature of the project
27:56and also training that will come to be provided by the applicant in the future.
28:01Should you like any detail on that, again, beyond what Matt's going to say,
28:04Paul can address that with you.
28:07And I'll certainly supplement that as needed.
28:10So that's who we are here now.
28:13And, again, based on what Matt has to say,
28:16we'll certainly add to that.
28:18Good.
28:18All right.
28:19I distributed a staff report to you guys all in the packet.
28:22I know it's a little bit long,
28:23but I think it was a good exercise to get everybody familiar
28:26with Tier 2 battery energy storage systems.
28:28The board is not aware.
28:30In 2023, the town did adopt a code,
28:33largely based on the Max Erdogan model code,
28:35with some added...
28:37restrictions that are a little bit more Riverhead-specific
28:40to sort of beef it up to allow these uses within the town.
28:43This application in particular has been in for a little while.
28:46It did get caught in the industrial moratorium that was in Calverton
28:49while we did the update.
28:50That's lifted.
28:51So they've done some revisions to make sure everything is compliant.
28:54It's been working sort of in the background.
28:57And not before you.
28:58This application was discussed before the town board this morning at work session
29:03because it does require a site plan and a special permit.
29:05The town board obviously...
29:07Half of the operation, you have the site plan due to its location.
29:11So what's the procedure?
29:13Who goes first?
29:14You can really review concurrently.
29:16Obviously, you guys can't make a decision
29:17until the town board grants special permit approval.
29:20I mean, it's really at the applicant's risk to proceed with both.
29:23However, you know, from what you saw in the staff report,
29:27I want to say probably 90% of the code provisions
29:30that we have in place are met or exceeded.
29:33There's some tweaking that we need,
29:34but it largely complies to the supplementary...
29:38...the supplementary code that we have.
29:39Just to familiarize everybody with the site and what they're seeking,
29:42this is a 60 megawatt or 120 megawatt battery energy storage system.
29:46So how that works is, you know, to my, you know, basic understandings,
29:51they purchase power from the grid usually when production is high,
29:55demand is low, and then it gets put back into the grid when demand is high.
29:59Lithium ion technology, which are batteries everyone should be familiar
30:04with at this point in time, they're in consumer production.
30:07They're in electric cars, hybrid cars, pretty much all aspects of your daily life.
30:12The site itself is a 1.6 acre parcel on Edwards Avenue, as Steven mentioned.
30:18Currently it has the headquarters for Long Island Farm Bureau,
30:21and there's a service garage behind it.
30:24Everything is proposed to be removed.
30:27The point of interconnection is right behind this site, so they'll be connecting to the grid,
30:31the underground conduit to that substation that's right there.
30:35To the north there's a fuel... .
30:37I want to say like a fuel depot across the street.
30:39There's a cabinet maker and the Hampton Jitney bus depot's further up the road.
30:45Railroad tracks right to the south.
30:46Just beyond the railroad tracks there are some residential parcels.
30:50So in the staff report it's pretty explicit as to what they need to do.
30:55In terms of secret, this is an unlisted action where this board is named as an involved agency.
31:00The town board has requested lead agency.
31:02It's staff's recommendation that the town board assumes lead agency unless the planning board,
31:07which is the district that feels like they need to be, which I don't think that's the case.
31:12Situated...this is in the CI zoning use district, which is battery energy storage.
31:16It's a permitted use in that zone.
31:18So going through the code compliance, which starts on page four,
31:21most things are pretty much complied with.
31:25Starting on page five, we'll just need an accurate quantification for lot coverage,
31:30which is an engineering thing.
31:31Just because we changed our definition of impervious coverage, this use does allow up to 75% of the load.
31:35This is a very good thing.
31:35[transcription gap]
31:50that to be just a little bit more dense probably 10 feet a little bit better they'll have to maybe
31:54condense a little bit on site to meet that standard but in terms of screening it looks good
32:00there's also a nice buffer on the road which will help screen the facility similar to what we do for
32:05our solar installations where there's a nice dense evergreen buffer so you won't be able to see the
32:10property moving on to page six is where we talk about accessory versus principal uses a tier two
32:17system could be either in this case it's a principal use letter d of the code is avoidance
32:22area so this is one of the things we added to the to our code areas where these uses wouldn't be
32:27wouldn't be appropriate so flood hazard zones open space areas uh parcels containing primax soil
32:34historically or culturally significant resource areas designated conservation areas scenic
32:38corridors or within jurisdiction of any wetlands this site is in not within any proximity to any
32:45of those avoidance areas so that's
32:47that's a good thing in terms of submission we do have a site plan application and the special
32:51permit which you will be as i said earlier reviewing the site plan application so in that
32:58application we have requirements that are specific to battery energy storage one is a commissioning
33:03plan this is a requirement of the uniform code so they have to get commissioned before their final
33:08inspection for building before they can essentially go live that will be a requirement of any approval
33:14this board or the town board makes on to the next
33:17page we have a fire safety compliance plan that will need to be you know in a final form before
33:22an approval is issued the fire marshal has started reviewing that operation and maintenance manual we
33:27have and uh an erosion and sediment control plan this project will need to slip because it's over
33:31an equal of disturbance so he'll need to we'll need approval from that for the town engineer
33:37in terms of fencing they need the fencing requirements um it's going to be fully enclosed
33:41with a security fence to keep people at which is a good thing keep the site secure
33:48there's uh safety requirements in terms of signage uh those are ansi standards to let everyone know
33:54this is like a high voltage uh installation and to warn anyone's there that's there lighting is
34:00really i think for safety and emergency only on sites dark skies compliant uh noise is one thing
34:06i've asked for more information on which i've since received from the applicant because the so
34:10there's noise associated with fans that are in all these units but also the switch gear and the
34:14transformer do make a significant and a
34:17an amount of noise which i'm sure the board's aware from this from the solar uh installations
34:22that we have uh the preliminary sound study that we have indicates that with the residents that are
34:27to the south the sound levels will be just about as the same as the normal everyday sound levels
34:35vegetation to tree cutting again just more discussion about the buffer
34:39and then what's combustible or not i have that reference in here and then let's see
34:47so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so
35:17professional engineer is it like a is there a normal life to this site I
35:22believe 25 to 30 years is the estimate if I understand correctly 20 years 20
35:27years yeah I had a couple questions to Matt yeah you're Walter you're from a
35:36call a KRF no I am NOT I make oh I make oh okay no I read this cover to cover
35:44yeah pretty pretty comprehensive yes that's the enhanced environmental
35:48analysis yeah that was done by actually took the time to read it in this
35:52document probably a hundred times says tier two what's the criteria for
35:58children so tier two that's a code requirement for us that's over a certain
36:01kilowatt hour Oh kilowatt okay yeah so understand what that was it was in a
36:06numerous times yeah which are these grid scale ones that are considered or I
36:11guess for Walter Paul right yes
36:14yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
36:14yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
36:15the proximity to the fuel farm just to the north of it is that an issue to be
36:21concerned with or yeah the fire marshal I said also he wants us to conduct a
36:26heat flux analysis based on a ul95 48 testing on skill fire testing where they
36:31actually put a worst-case scenario there and they grab a lot of data one of them
36:37happens to be heat release rates and then that's something that we have to
36:40prepare okay that's coming yeah that that's coming yeah it's
36:44something that Andrew requested my next section I have all of my referral
36:48comments so what Andrew basically asked for is a fire fire safety analysis for
36:53this site in relation to the fuel storage are there any kind of waves
36:58emitted like microwaves or any other kind of waves emitted nothing that comes
37:04out of the EMF studies that we've done in the past and the it says the boxes
37:11have a two-hour burn rate
37:14did I read that correctly that's our energy right energy rate energy rate
37:20okay the other thing how is I guess Vinnie
37:27Gordiello is going to determine how is it going to determine something that's
37:31going to be torn down 20 or 30 so they're engineers this is a typical thing
37:35that we do this with solar too there's a percentage you can assign in terms of
37:39cost on how much it would do now and then a future cost okay it's not a
37:43typical so it's an easy question yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
37:44I'm sure we'll have plenty of questions but that's all I have right
37:47now in terms of referrals so this has been under review for a little bit of
37:52time so we did get comments back from SHPO in January saying that there's no
37:59effect on any archaeological historic resources in the area by this
38:02application the town engineer did need some revisions to the plan and also
38:08noted that this requires a swift DEC noted that this is not within the wild
38:14and scenic rivers area and there's no freshwater wetlands within you know
38:18jurisdictional area but there are northern long-eared bats within three
38:22miles so we'll have the trees clearing requirements that you can't cut down
38:25trees between March 1st and November 30th this went before the Suffolk County
38:30Planning Commission in February in which they voted to approve with conditions
38:34number one was Suffolk County Planning Commission finds that first responder
38:38training is essential for any new best system so they want hazmat training so
38:42this is something that was in the
39:14so this is something that's clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear
39:15clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear
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39:18clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear
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39:27[transcription gap]
39:32And one of the things that the town board requested, which we're happy to agree to,
39:36is that in addition to the specific training, that by the way will be ongoing, that Matt just referred to,
39:42we'll also bring in, as they wish, other neighboring jurisdictions.
39:49So, Wading River, Manorville, Jamesport.
39:53They'll all be invited as well.
39:55This training is done on site, or do you guys have a facility somewhere where firemen go to train?
40:02Yeah, and what we'd like to do is a mixture of both, right, where we may have some indoor training
40:07and then eventually go out and do a walkthrough of the actual site so they can see.
40:10So once the site's complete, or is it like ongoing training as you're building it?
40:14These guys are being trained if something were to happen.
40:16Through the construction phase, is that what you're saying?
40:18Yes.
40:18Yeah, well, it becomes a little bit more precarious during the construction site,
40:21so we don't like to bring people on during the construction phase of it.
40:24But we could possibly give them an update on when the batteries become live,
40:31when they're going to be on the site.
40:32Yeah.
40:32When they're actually brought to the location, they're usually about 30% state of charge
40:36as per the U.S. DOT shipping regulations.
40:39Right.
40:39But they're not being charged back and forth to the grid yet.
40:42They're just dormant at the time.
40:44But there's still a lot of state of charge.
40:45Even a construction accident while this is being built.
40:48Sure.
40:48And these guys, they're not particularly going to a fire, but they're...
40:51Right.
40:52And that is something that we, you know, I'll make that recommendation that New York City does
40:59where they have, in the event of a construction accident,
41:02there's an 800 number they call the subject matter expert,
41:04which was something that was included already in the 15 recommendations that was mentioned before,
41:10where they'll have someone that can just testify to the department
41:12that has to be there within a certain amount of time.
41:15Yeah.
41:15You can provide somebody there that fast?
41:18The code says four hours.
41:21The code says a four-hour time.
41:22You can be there within four hours, but they said the maximum amount.
41:26Fifteen minutes on the phone, that's considered immediate in the code world.
41:30So immediate could be...
41:31You know, pretty quick.
41:34But they give up to 15 minutes as considered immediate.
41:37These are all part of the recommendations that came out of what Matt referred to as the New York State Working Group.
41:44The state fire code now is being enhanced.
41:47Paul was one of the critical people involved in helping write this new proposed code.
41:51The code is now actually set, so we're just waiting for adoption.
41:54But when it's enacted, which should be relatively soon, it'll be the strictest in the country.
42:00So that will apply here.
42:02Another thing I'd mention, too, with respect to getting ready and getting people familiar,
42:08yesterday Paul and I were in Staten Island with Andrew,
42:12and that was a two-hour site visit at a functioning facility.
42:17So it's a battery energy storage facility in Staten Island that's operational,
42:21and we had a very detailed walkthrough yesterday
42:24so that he could see firsthand how this works in a situation that's actual and not theoretical.
42:31So we're going to be working on that.
42:33[transcription gap]
42:35Okay.
42:35All right.
42:36So second condition from the Planning Commission was just they'd, rather than, I think,
42:40seeing the water permeate through the site because they have gravel now,
42:43they wanted catch basins just in terms of this is in a special groundwater protection area
42:49in case of an emergency and there's heavy metals or something from the batteries that are going into the groundwater.
42:55I'm actually going to reach out to them for more specifics in that regard.
42:59They'd also like to see a demolition and recycling.
43:01Okay.
43:01So that's the plan.
43:01These are in the comments now.
43:04Incorporation of all the draft fire code language,
43:06which the applicant has already told you that they're complying with.
43:11Moving on to our consulting engineer.
43:17Still same thing, more revisions.
43:18They just need all existing utilities shown on the plan.
43:23And then more specifics in terms of the decommissioning plan,
43:28a detail of the sound wall.
43:31They need to include the cost construction estimate in the decommissioning plan.
43:35And Vinny also noted the requirement for a SWIP.
43:38Riverhead Fire District, we got comments back in February
43:41expressing their concerns of the proximity to the site to the fuel storage facility
43:47and the need for a vehicle, which the applicant can speak more to that.
43:51And then Fire Marshal, again, just that they're asking for a fire apparatus staging area,
44:01outside the fence so they can essentially establish a command post
44:04if there is an issue at the property that's safe, at a safe distance.
44:08And then hazmat training as well.
44:13That's really it at this point in time.
44:15Like I said, this is our very first step.
44:17I have no action before this board today.
44:20The applicant's here to answer any questions.
44:22They're moving through the special permit site plan process.
44:25We just have an acknowledgment that you guys don't want lead agency for secret.
44:29We can do that via a memo to the town board.
44:31And I think that's it for me.
44:34Before we get started, Matt, I just have three quick questions.
44:37You had a, who owns the property just to the east of the proposed site?
44:43To the...
44:44Now, I know there's a substation there.
44:45You were saying it's going to be an underground conduit?
44:47Yeah, so I think it's LIPA that's right to the back.
44:50That is correct.
44:51So they own that piece in between the substation and the proposed?
44:55Yeah.
44:56You don't need an easement then?
44:57They'll need an easement, for sure, from LIPA.
45:00We'll work with LIPA on that.
45:01Yeah, to underground conduit.
45:03Okay.
45:04On the, in case something happens and you have to have a removal,
45:09or if the company goes out of business, is there a bond?
45:13Yes, that's the decommissioning fund.
45:14So they establish, that's like the future fund we were talking about earlier,
45:18so they'll establish the cost now of what it would be to decommission the entire site.
45:22Right.
45:22And then there's a cost factor that's applied for, you know,
45:26to establish what the future cost would be.
45:28And it establishes who would be responsible for doing the decommissioning.
45:31Right.
45:31And my last question is, gentlemen, these are volunteer firemen.
45:37And in case of an emergency, they're supposed to have hazmat, you know, training.
45:44Yeah.
45:44And you guys will pay for that?
45:46Are there any salaries going to be paid out for an emergency, something like this?
45:51I don't know.
45:52Not to my knowledge.
45:53I mean, it's just that it's a little.
45:55Do you know where I'm getting?
45:56They're volunteers, and then you're asking them to go into a situation.
46:00Okay.
46:00It could be.
46:00Okay.
46:01[transcription gap]
46:01Extremely.
46:01That you don't deal with every day.
46:03Yeah.
46:03I think it should.
46:04Well, I should say this.
46:08Andrew arranged for us to meet with all the commissions of the fire district.
46:12I would never presume to speak for them, because obviously they'll speak to you, I'm sure, as well.
46:17And I know you folks know most, if not all, of them.
46:20But I would offer that they were very satisfied with the meeting.
46:27Their principal interest was training.
46:29They're very comfortable with the fact that Paul and his team will provide it.
46:35Paul's with ESRG.
46:36That's the Energy Safety Response Group.
46:39And they are the leaders nationally.
46:41And they're former very high ranking FDNY officials.
46:46So that training will be, as we said, provided and ongoing will be given.
46:53Another request that they had as well, which was important, was their principal concern,
46:59was that they wanted to invest in a particular vehicle, equipment, that they earmarked at a certain price point.
47:08And they said they thought it would come in at about $80,000, $90,000.
47:14So what the applicant committed was that the applicant would provide $100,000,
47:21just to take into account that prices could fluctuate.
47:25And this way then they'll be able to purchase the exact vehicle
47:29that they want to buy.
47:29So that commitment has already been established.
47:33And Andrew was present when that was done with the commissioners.
47:37So there'd be a designated vehicle just to respond to an incident at this site.
47:41I imagine they could use it for other purposes as well.
47:44And that would be good if they could do that.
47:46Because the better they could use it, better for them.
47:49But certainly the vehicle that they want is what they'll now be able to purchase.
47:53Okay.
47:54I think my question was, there's no other compensation for the town in case of this
47:58type of.
47:59I think it's just the nature of fire districts online.
48:02They're all volunteer.
48:03There's not really much we can do in that regard.
48:05It's just a function of how they're established.
48:07I'm just asking because I don't think anybody has an idea out here in case something
48:12like that happens.
48:13Understood.
48:14I can add to that if you'd like.
48:17We addressed this in the codes.
48:19Two of the three incidents, one in Warwick, New York, and the other one up in Jefferson
48:25County, which is Schmunt, New York upstate by the Canada border.
48:29I responded to both of those and they were all volunteer fire service people.
48:32They took a defensive action and actually did the right thing during that particular
48:37time.
48:38We talked afterwards and we knew that we were going to actually fortify the codes at that
48:42particular time.
48:43We sat down and we asked them what they would need.
48:47They understood that they would still be there running the incident.
48:51They're the incident commander.
48:53But they didn't want to have that.
48:55They didn't want to wait there later on.
48:59Sometimes when they do fail, if there is a fire that takes place, it may go dormant for
49:05a while but it could come back to life.
49:07So they didn't want to sit on there for watching this thing.
49:10This is exactly why we put this SME hazard support group together to take over on that
49:17handoff so this way they wouldn't be tied up watching this thing wondering if it's going
49:21to go back on fire.
49:22Thank you.
49:23[transcription gap]
49:25One more quick question.
49:26Has any one of these ever been built so close to the railroad tracks where vibration would
49:34be an issue?
49:35It has?
49:37That's a great question.
49:38There is one in Corona, Queens.
49:39It's right next to the subway.
49:40It's a small facility.
49:41I think it's about five megawatts.
49:42Sometimes buildings as they age, with the vibration from the trains.
49:43I mean, we've got trains.
49:44We've got trains.
49:45[transcription gap]
49:57I mean, we don't have that much train traffic out here, but still.
49:58They do have to abide by the, in the fire code, the seismic.
50:02So they do have to abide by that.
50:04And the battery energy source systems are tested to seismic.
50:08So that's all taken into consideration?
50:09It is taken into consideration as per the fire code.
50:12And like Gus said, there's one literally 10 feet away from a train on Loyola Railroad
50:19in Queens.
50:20Corona?
50:21That's right.
50:22Okay.
50:23So these store these?
50:24These are the batteries that are stored in the battery packs.
50:25So it sits strictly on concrete, not on any type of spring system?
50:29It's on concrete slabs.
50:30Strictly on concrete slabs.
50:31You can have them on grade as well.
50:32That really depends on the geotech.
50:33Okay.
50:34On your drawing, what is that box that's in the corner?
50:39That's a transformer.
50:44That's how you step up the voltage from the site's voltage, from the power conversion.
50:52To about 34.5.
50:5334.5.
50:54[transcription gap]
51:0534.5.
51:06[transcription gap]
51:21to about 34.5 kV, and then it goes through the main transformer that stuffs up the voltage
51:26up to 138 kV to match the voltage within the substation.
51:32And so is this a gradual thing, or is everything going to be—do you have to gradually get
51:47all of the power, or is it instantaneous?
51:53I see that there's a number of sight drawings, or what do we call them?
51:58The battery blocks.
51:59Yeah.
52:00This all will be built at once, and then when it operates, you're essentially storing
52:05energy on a duration basis.
52:07So it takes two hours to charge and two hours to discharge the system.
52:11But each one of them, each one will be manned—not manned, charged?
52:15That's right.
52:16That's right.
52:17At the same time?
52:18That's right.
52:19Oh, okay.
52:20So you can think of this whole system as being a water tank or a water tower.
52:25Fill it up when there's excess energy or excess water, when there's a drought.
52:29Well, I'm just thinking that you've got to fill it first, all right?
52:33That's right.
52:34That's right.
52:35Do you guys plan to take any of the electric from the solar panels across the street?
52:43We operate on a transmission level.
52:45So we buy and sell our energy.
52:47We have a lot of energy on a transmission level, and that's on a different level.
52:51So we work with the New York ISO on buying and selling of power.
52:56Okay.
52:57But in the future, you don't know?
52:59Ultimately, this becomes a complementary system for wind and solar.
53:05So the idea behind, or the notion behind battery storage right now, the focus is resiliency
53:11and transmission fortification by installing these systems to boost the transmission system
53:15on Long Island.
53:16But as wind and solar becomes more prevalent, then what you do is you're essentially levelizing
53:22that non-baseload production of energy.
53:24You don't know when the sun's going to shine, when the wind's going to blow.
53:27There's a lot of volatility in production.
53:30You come in and you levelize that using battery storage.
53:33Okay.
53:34All right.
53:35Anything else, gentlemen?
53:37Okay.
53:38Thank you for watching.
53:39Thank you very much.
53:40Thank you.
53:41[transcription gap]
53:59Thanks again.
54:07Happy Easter.
54:08Same to you.
54:08Thank you.
54:10Thank you.
54:11Thank you, Matt.
54:18Losing my memory.
54:20Happy Easter, everyone.
54:22Same to you.
54:29Okay, discussion item number four, 1080-1120, Old Country Road facade renovations with Marissa.
54:41Marissa, don't be nervous.
54:43Nice to meet you.
54:47If everyone who's here can introduce themselves.
54:52Jacqueline Peranto, principal owner of Key Civil Engineering.
54:56I'm the site engineer for the project.
54:58I'm TJ McKeever.
54:59I'm a project manager for Bricksmore Property Group in honor of this property.
55:03I'm a construction project manager.
55:06Frankie Campione, principal with the architects.
55:09What's your first name?
55:10I'm sorry.
55:11Frankie Campione.
55:12Thank you.
55:14Introduce yourself.
55:17Marissa.
55:18Marissa Donowski.
55:20Site plan reviewer.
55:23Yeah.
55:24All right, what do you got, Marissa?
55:26So, the planning for it.
55:29We received a site plan application entitled 1080-1120 Old Country Road facade changes.
55:37It's for the property located at 1080 Old Country Road, also known as Suffolk County Tax
55:46Act number 600-108-3-18.
55:53The site plan application is seeking approval to perform the exterior modification of the site plan.
55:58So, we're going to be doing a lot of work on that.
55:58So, we're going to be doing a lot of work on that.
55:58We're going to be doing a lot of work on that.
56:00that includes facade improvements to an existing multi-tenant commercial building
56:06within the ronal plaza shopping center some of you also might know it as the old tj max space
56:15the proposed alterations will utilize the existing entry doors curbing and walkways and it's to
56:25provide an additional two uh two front door entrances with a new um ada curving to the
56:33existing retail space um and then also there is a side exit door they are looking to replace that
56:42um with a metal staircase uh metal staircase and railing and redo the door um
56:55the a little bit information about the site um it is a approximately 75 000 um square feet um all
57:05multi-tenant retail uh building there's also a approximate 12 000 square foot building um where
57:13the chase bank is and then there is another approximate 12 000 square foot detached building
57:20and that is currently where cvs is um um route 50
57:25um and it is in within the shop uh shopping center zoning
57:37is the facility going to be paved yes so it's currently in it's currently improved uh paved
57:46um and then the exterior facade of like the curbing i mean like the actual asphalt surface
57:54are they repaving
57:55this site oh no that is not being proposed currently um
58:03so the proposed uh concrete walkways and curvings um are to be ada compliant
58:12modifications for this facade improvements entail uh new paint stucco and concrete finishes
58:19um to the existing sore front and then additional um two
58:25proposed storefronts as well um the new doors and windows are to replace like and kind of the
58:32existing storefront and create the additional spaces um
58:40and then like i said before um the existing um exterior
58:47exit on located on the northwest side of the building is to be uh removed and replaced with
58:54the metal stairs and railings
58:55so you'll have clear head lights so you'll have clear head lights so you'll have clear head lights
58:58[transcription gap]
59:18are currently too high than the maximum permitted.
59:23So we noticed that while doing the review,
59:27we looked over the whole site and noticed that they are way above,
59:34and we were looking to make the parcel into the...
59:40Dark sky compliant?
59:41Yes, correct. Thank you.
59:43Which the height is usually 16 feet from level ground,
59:50is the highest point is 16 feet.
59:52Also as well, the property currently shows areas of landscape islands
59:59and locations throughout the site,
1:00:02but it was noted throughout the site that some of the landscape locations,
1:00:06some plantings and other places were bare.
1:00:09So we are asking just for a little bit of like a,
1:00:13a facelift, so to speak, an update,
1:00:17just adding a little bit more plants to the landscape areas.
1:00:29How about some of these curved areas that look like they need repair?
1:00:37Are you going to be fixing those?
1:00:41So...
1:00:41I'm going to be happy with it.
1:00:42Yeah.
1:00:43Okay.
1:00:44You're more than welcome to,
1:00:47if you wanted to answer his question regarding the curving.
1:00:51Sure.
1:00:51So generally the project is just consisting of taking the one large TJ Maxx tenant
1:00:56and breaking it into three separate retail tenants.
1:00:58So no change in use retail to retail.
1:01:00And in doing so, adding in the new doors and storefront
1:01:04and providing ADA ramps in front of those doors.
1:01:07So we are look...
1:01:07We did look at all the handicap parking that's in front and make sure that the,
1:01:11you know, there's some new signage to bring them back.
1:01:13So we're looking at the current code compliance for the parking stalls
1:01:16that front the tenant space.
1:01:18And then the ramps and sidewalk.
1:01:20So within that area, there'll be some new curving.
1:01:24But throughout the entire shopping center, our intent was not to, you know,
1:01:29go through the entire shopping center and repair various, you know...
1:01:33We didn't walk the entire center.
1:01:35We're focusing strictly on this end cap.
1:01:38Well, I just noticed that in the project report.
1:01:42Okay.
1:01:43So...
1:01:43Okay.
1:01:43[transcription gap]
1:01:44Okay.
1:02:01Okay.
1:02:01that would be able to survive there.
1:02:03So we can send our landscape architect out to the site
1:02:06and take a look at all these areas
1:02:08and then propose some plant material to fill in some of the gaps.
1:02:12Potentially, it's also the timing year
1:02:14where a lot of the perennials are not yet blooming,
1:02:16so it's possible that within a couple of weeks
1:02:18we'll start to see a little bit more plant material pop up.
1:02:22Let's hope so.
1:02:24The one clarification that I wanted to make on the landscaping
1:02:27is that I don't want to as-built every plant and shrub
1:02:30that exists in the shopping center.
1:02:31That's quite an arduous task,
1:02:33but we are happy to do an inventory
1:02:36and then identify additional plant material to be added.
1:02:40That would be acceptable.
1:02:41Yeah, further in this effort report,
1:02:44I did note something of that nature.
1:02:47I also just wanted to state
1:02:49that we did bring this to the Architectural Review Board
1:02:53in regards to the facade improvements,
1:02:57and it was at the March 12th,
1:03:00March 26th meeting.
1:03:01The board requested additional information
1:03:03as the proposed project is currently the one,
1:03:09I would say, the northwest section of the building,
1:03:13and I believe the ARB requested
1:03:17to see what it would look like overall
1:03:19for the whole building itself
1:03:23as they were just mainly focusing on one section,
1:03:25but they wanted to see how it would work with everything.
1:03:29The architect's here with us,
1:03:30and they did email me this morning
1:03:32an updated set of elevations,
1:03:34so we will formally resubmit that back
1:03:36so ARB can look at it.
1:03:37Would you be able to put it up on the camera
1:03:39just so everyone can see?
1:03:40Oh, look at that.
1:03:42It's across two pages.
1:03:50There we go.
1:03:52All right.
1:03:55So you're just handling the left portion.
1:03:59Yeah, TJ Maxx.
1:04:00So we just wanted to figure out a way
1:04:03to bring new businesses in,
1:04:05and that's by breaking it up into three new tenant spaces.
1:04:09It doesn't look like you're changing
1:04:10the front elevations very much at all,
1:04:13and that shopping center was renovated not too long ago,
1:04:18if I remember correctly.
1:04:19Yep, yeah, TJ Maxx expanded recently.
1:04:21We changed the roof a number of years ago.
1:04:26The facade changes here are really just giving increased,
1:04:30more of a presence to the two tenants we're adding,
1:04:34and then the tenant fashion deals to the left,
1:04:37that's actually work that's proposed and performed
1:04:40by the tenant that's going to be taking that space,
1:04:42which I think the building department
1:04:44just recently submitted an application for.
1:04:47The other thing that, in my opinion,
1:04:49is drastically needed,
1:04:50because I go to this plaza quite a bit,
1:04:52is trash receptacles in front of both buildings,
1:04:55permanent trash receptacles
1:04:57with some kind of plan to maintain them,
1:04:59because it's very...
1:05:00It's really bad after this.
1:05:01Garbage and paper is blowing around constantly there,
1:05:04if you could look into that.
1:05:06And if you bring it up to, you know,
1:05:07bring the plaza into dark sky lighting,
1:05:10I'm happy.
1:05:11I just wanted to mention about the lighting,
1:05:13because when I brought it up to TJ,
1:05:16he was surprised.
1:05:17There's, back in 2019,
1:05:18they had hired a consultant to do a lighting upgrade,
1:05:22I guess, in being aware of the coaching back then.
1:05:27Unfortunately, the consultant had just replaced
1:05:30all of it.
1:05:30So, we're going to have to go back
1:05:31and put in the proper LED 3000K color lights,
1:05:34but maintain them at the existing full height.
1:05:37So, height is really the issue here.
1:05:40We are going to look at a lighting plan
1:05:42to bring those down,
1:05:43but we're dropping it significantly to 16 feet.
1:05:46And in a large shopping center like this,
1:05:48you know, we don't have residences around us or nearby.
1:05:51There's a apartment complex back,
1:05:53and those lights between the complex and you
1:05:55are out of control.
1:05:56Long and rough.
1:05:57Walmart did it.
1:05:57In the back of the center.
1:05:58Yeah, off the building.
1:06:00It's really bad.
1:06:01Take a look at it at night.
1:06:03Walmart did it.
1:06:04They have no light, you know,
1:06:06no up lighting off their lights.
1:06:08It can be done.
1:06:09And some of those big lights in the back,
1:06:11if you don't want to change them out,
1:06:12you can turn them off.
1:06:13But that parking area that you guys have is one
1:06:16of the biggest abusers in town.
1:06:18And the law has been codified many years ago.
1:06:22I know because I helped draft it.
1:06:23Yeah, they were trying to go back through the history
1:06:24to understand what happened because it sounds
1:06:26like they were trying to do the right thing back then.
1:06:28Yeah, and it was sunset for,
1:06:3015 years.
1:06:31And you're still not in compliance.
1:06:34So we have to have to work on that.
1:06:36And just so I know and can report this back
1:06:39to my higher ups.
1:06:40So it's mostly that you've noticed the light poles
1:06:44along the property line or the building?
1:06:45The lighting.
1:06:46The lighting.
1:06:46Both.
1:06:47In the entirety.
1:06:48If you go by there at night,
1:06:49you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
1:06:50Okay.
1:06:50The lighting is, and if you go out on Sound Avenue,
1:06:54you can see the glow, you know, from your parking field.
1:06:59So the fixtures that you do, you know,
1:07:00that have the LED lights that they were switched out,
1:07:04the poles themselves I think are almost 30 feet,
1:07:07which is well in excess of the maximum 16 foot.
1:07:10And then the other lights that are in compliance are,
1:07:13they're not downward facing.
1:07:14They don't meet, like Ed said,
1:07:16the building mounted fixtures are way too bright.
1:07:19So we understand, you know, you were coming in for facade work,
1:07:23but you know, Marissa correctly noted in her staff report
1:07:28that this is an issue that needs to be fixed.
1:07:29Okay.
1:07:29So we're going to have to work on that.
1:07:29Okay.
1:07:29So we're going to have to work on that.
1:07:29Okay.
1:07:30So we're going to have to work on that.
1:07:31[transcription gap]
1:07:32And we try to do that as applications come in.
1:07:35Yeah, yeah.
1:07:36Understood.
1:07:37And I think TJ was asking if there's, so if the plans are,
1:07:41you know, if we submit the drawings for the approval
1:07:43of the board to show all of that lighting, is there any way
1:07:48that the planning department can work with them in terms
1:07:51of the installation of it and performing the work?
1:07:54Or will like the CO, can the site CO be pulled a little separately
1:07:58from the tenant interior?
1:07:59And then the tenant interior renovation work so they can,
1:08:01so that the tenants can continue with filing applications
1:08:04to building and doing it?
1:08:05We've had applications like this before.
1:08:07And we tend to want to keep them all together in one project,
1:08:10not separate them out like that.
1:08:12Well, I mean it is one project from the eyes of my company,
1:08:17being that it's the three tenant spaces
1:08:19that we're breaking it up into.
1:08:21And, you know, I want to give the town whatever leverage it needs
1:08:26to enforce and I will echo the sentiment
1:08:29that you guys are giving me here today to the people
1:08:31who can make these things happen in my company.
1:08:36So we want to comply.
1:08:38We want to get there and have it comply.
1:08:40I can tell you that currently my mandate
1:08:43and my project budget can't support finishing it right
1:08:46at this moment, but I want to be able to, I want it to happen.
1:08:52My thought, and Jackie was kind of alluding to this,
1:08:54is that maybe a CO for the middle tenant space or, you know,
1:08:59one of the tenant spaces being tied to complying
1:09:02to that dark sky compliance regulation.
1:09:06Yeah, unfortunately the law for dark skies I think was passed
1:09:10in 2005.
1:09:11Yeah, and it sunsetted in 2017.
1:09:14Until 2017.
1:09:16So it's, the board usually takes the strong position
1:09:18that it's a condition of approval that has to be met prior to CO.
1:09:24It's not our opinion that we want it to happen.
1:09:26CO being the sign off of the facade.
1:09:29Yeah.
1:09:29I mean, we've gone so far on other applications we've done prior
1:09:35to the signature of like, prior to the signature of the plans,
1:09:38because otherwise we're just kicking this can down the road.
1:09:41Yeah, down the road.
1:09:42To the chairman's point, when the code was adopted,
1:09:45they gave applicants and commercial property owners 10 years
1:09:48to comply, saying that it could be done in 10% increments
1:09:52so that you're not going to have a huge up and up cost,
1:09:55but now we're nearly 20 years down the road.
1:09:58Yeah.
1:09:59We're so clear about that.
1:10:00We're clear about that.
1:10:01[transcription gap]
1:10:28the front doesn't if those heads that are in the front if the heads comply
1:10:33with dark skies does the front have to be changed as well even though the height
1:10:37doesn't meet your current ordinance yeah that's right so it's 16 feet to the
1:10:41lowest light admitting portion of the fixture that's the maximum height and
1:10:45then 3,000 kilometers so it's not necessarily a dark skies
1:10:49it's a dark it's it's really the way to say it it's the code I mean the option
1:10:56would be to go to the Board of Zoning Appeals for a height which I presume
1:10:59would not be looked favorite I mean if Home Depot is looking to do the same
1:11:03thing yeah they are gonna be coming in with compliant lighting yeah so just so
1:11:07you were we've had other applicants that have changed the heads and just cut the
1:11:11poles yes staple shopping center you know I we under it's what's gonna happen
1:11:14is when that happens you're gonna get dark spots you're gonna have to add
1:11:17additional poles and lights to fill in the
1:11:19blanks and it's not always so easy as just you know because of the spacing of
1:11:2360-foot drive I you know bays between parking it's not gonna be so easy to just
1:11:27pluck one where you want it and it might end up being a whole new thing but
1:11:32there's some lease commitments with raw you know you've received the application
1:11:36already from Ross so you're aware that they're moving quickly and they need to
1:11:39get in there and it's a new presence for them on Long Island so there's a lease
1:11:43commitment which is TJ's concern of being able to meet with that one tenant
1:11:49you know again that's why we're just trying to think of a way to you know can
1:11:53that one tenant you know be able to continue to move forward and you know
1:11:56the other tenants and facade work be held you know because we understand we
1:12:02understand where and you have done you know neither of us were part of the
1:12:06decision made by the company and we want to comply and you know yeah yeah you
1:12:12know we want to comply I just would love to figure out a way that it doesn't hold
1:12:17up really just really just a little bit of time and I think that's a really good way to do it.
1:12:19so you're clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so
1:12:20Because they're eager to open this year.
1:12:23Unfortunately, it leaves us in a position where we lose the ability to enforce.
1:12:28This is the hook, essentially.
1:12:31I also have a lease commitment with the dark lettering on the right side, which is a boot farm,
1:12:36which I also hope to open this year.
1:12:41And I have a lease commitment with them.
1:12:43I mean, if we get tied to that in some way,
1:12:47I believe that will light a fire under the people of Brixmore that can make these decisions to allow this to happen.
1:12:52Just for a consistency standpoint, that's what we're going to do.
1:12:57Unfortunately.
1:13:00I mean, I don't want to speak for the board, the board can opine otherwise, but we like to be consistent.
1:13:05We really haven't done it for anybody else.
1:13:06We're trying to get everybody to comply.
1:13:09It's been 20 years that people could have bought their properties under compliance.
1:13:14But we want to help you.
1:13:15We're not going to hold you up or anything.
1:13:17Like that.
1:13:17But you have to comply to the town code.
1:13:20Maybe you should submit a schedule.
1:13:22Yeah.
1:13:23A schedule for the lighting.
1:13:25With the lighting.
1:13:26I'm going to submit a lighting plan that would show lights, photometrics, you know, call out the make and model.
1:13:33All of that.
1:13:34And then also my only comment, just because I liaise with the ARB, I know they had asked for a full elevation of the facade with color.
1:13:41Just so we can see the context of the changes to what the existing is.
1:13:47That's what the right side is now.
1:13:48So we're not changing anything else.
1:13:50So it's going to remain the different color?
1:13:52The left side with the three new tenants are currently the currently the design ends at the edge of the TJ Maxx and the former TJ Maxx.
1:14:02Right.
1:14:03We're accommodating the new fashion tenant that's coming on the left side as well as the right and worked with them on colors that both associate with their branding because they're new to Long Island.
1:14:16As you know, they're new to Long Island.
1:14:16You know, but then not too much contrast with the rest of the shopping center.
1:14:22As opposed to them being white or something like that.
1:14:30So if we were to if we were to take the existing poles that we have at the center, lower them down to comply to the height restriction, make sure the heads are compliant.
1:14:45Then until I can get those new.
1:14:46Poles at the new locations, then we're we're noncompliant in terms of the amount of lighting required at the site.
1:14:53So and and for the Ross on the end, I know I have a lighting requirement.
1:15:00We sent them our our existing photometric plan, which will no longer be accurate.
1:15:04Do you live locally or no?
1:15:06I would say I grew up in Stony Brook.
1:15:08I live in Mignola now.
1:15:09You really should do a site visit.
1:15:12Yeah.
1:15:14It's different in the daytime.
1:15:15I can do that.
1:15:16Yeah.
1:15:16I think you're asking the opposite.
1:15:19Right.
1:15:19If you if you were to if we were to lower the heads now to make everything that's existing compliant, would that allow us to even though he has a requirement with this?
1:15:30What's that?
1:15:30Go on.
1:15:31Yeah.
1:15:31I'll talk with you.
1:15:32Yeah.
1:15:33Because we're going to create we're going to create a different issue.
1:15:35Right.
1:15:36We're going to cut the lights down.
1:15:39So we bring the lights down.
1:15:41We're going to be too dark.
1:15:43But if it's a timing issue, we get the lights cut down.
1:15:46Before the end of the day, you know, it's going to be too dark.
1:15:50There's maybe it's a good point.
1:15:52We'll run the photo metrics first.
1:15:55Our assumption is if they're 30 feet high now and we're yeah, and I have a whole lot of half that will have dark spots.
1:16:02We may maybe maybe in general might meet the requirement.
1:16:06We'll run the photo metrics and see if we're going to help.
1:16:09If you guys have creative ideas, let us know.
1:16:12But my my creative idea was just more of a phasing question.
1:16:16If we were to get those lights cut down.
1:16:20I don't say as soon as we can because we don't want it to be too dark too long while we then engineer the additional lighting that's required.
1:16:27Would we at least meet the requirement of the town?
1:16:31I don't think that I'm sorry.
1:16:32I don't I don't think the concern is engineering it.
1:16:34I think the concern is constructing it.
1:16:35Right.
1:16:36So I think I think the time that it's going to take to hear back from the other departments that we're waiting on my office will be putting together the lighting plan and the landscape plan and addressing these comments.
1:16:45And we'll make a decision.
1:16:46Another reason.
1:16:47There you go.
1:16:47And hopefully be back before the board for a final approval very shortly.
1:16:51I think once we have that final approval, it's enacting it in the field and constructing it is what the challenge that TJ has.
1:16:59Yeah.
1:17:00From a budget standpoint.
1:17:00That's right.
1:17:01And making that happen in a timely fashion.
1:17:03I think.
1:17:04That sounds like the fastest way to get to John.
1:17:06You know, there used to be a lot of lead time with electrical equipment, but I think we're I think they're fairly.
1:17:12Yeah.
1:17:13I think these lights are fairly accessible.
1:17:16And I think that's a good thing.
1:17:18[transcription gap]
1:17:20Yeah.
1:17:20I just have one more ask on this project.
1:17:23If you look at this picture here, one of them's up there.
1:17:27If you look at the doors with the numbers that are the occupancies on there for each one, it's they're attached to the door and it really should be either fixed to the transom above it or on a solid wall.
1:17:39Because if a door is open and say the police had to respond to in a certain address, they may not see that address.
1:17:45So at least if it's if it's fixed attached, you know, right above the doorway or on a wall alongside the doorway, it's always out.
1:17:53It's always there.
1:17:54And doors have a tendency to break and get replaced.
1:17:57And then the numbers always don't go back up on them.
1:18:00There's a lot of stores throughout the town where there are no numbers.
1:18:04And like you say, it's a team.
1:18:06It's the old T.J.
1:18:08Yeah.
1:18:08You have people going to the other T.J.
1:18:10Max without an address.
1:18:11Yeah.
1:18:12So with the new doors that you put in, if you can make that a point to.
1:18:15Yeah.
1:18:15Yeah.
1:18:15I don't see that being a problem.
1:18:16Okay.
1:18:17Yeah.
1:18:17Okay.
1:18:18Yeah.
1:18:18You're good?
1:18:19Good, guys?
1:18:19I'm good.
1:18:20So I just have for following for the project that we wanted to get some revised plans showing the obviously the planning board certification box to so that we can have them once it's good to go.
1:18:39We can get everything signed off.
1:18:43And then to another.
1:18:45Another one is to amend the plans to show the COVID-19 lighting and including the mounting heights and the fixtures just to get everything up to code as we just all talked about.
1:18:58And then as well, we were at the planning department was asking for a landscape plan of the parcel showing the landscaped areas and the calculations that include the existing and proposed planning locations with a planning schedule.
1:19:15Yeah.
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1:19:45okay anything else folks hey thank you yeah great thank you good day typically
1:19:53like 30 days to hear back from the other departments is there prescribed time
1:19:59for you to action so I mean it's really they were referred just for informational
1:20:05purposes actually just so the boards of where we did make an application to the
1:20:10sewer district yesterday for so we're separating the tenants connections to
1:20:15an onsite manhole so we didn't file with the sewer district yeah that'll be more
1:20:19of a function when you get to the building department but you know
1:20:23Marissa wanted the board to be aware no I spoke with Frank Mancini about the
1:20:27water service we've had other applicants come in to separate into different
1:20:31tendencies and then they're surprised when they get you know a sewer district
1:20:35connection letter that they owe money at the end yeah
1:20:40thank you thank you okay at this point we have public comment on the
1:20:49resolutions okay not seen any gentleman we run the resolutions please I'll move
1:20:57resolution 20 25 0 31 HK ventures LLC granting a second and final six-month
1:21:05extension of the preliminary site plan approval
1:21:07I'll move second moved and seconded by the board of directors and by the board of
1:21:10district head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
1:21:11Mr. Hogan. Yes, mr. DeNiro. Mr. Bear. Yes, and I vote yes to motion carries
1:21:17Well, I'll move resolution
1:21:21Well, 032 grant second and final
1:21:25Extension for the preliminary site plan of Long Island cauliflower Association second
1:21:30Moving in second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes, mr. DeNiro. Hi, mr. Bear. Yes, and I vote aye the motion carries
1:21:36I'll move resolution number 2025 033 dry spec out spec yo
1:21:44Manufacturers outlet Senate resolution granting a second and final six-month extension for a preliminary site plan approval
1:21:51Second move in second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes, mr. DeNiro. Hi, mr. Bear
1:21:57Yes, and I vote aye the motion carries. I just want to make
1:22:02You want to that we table the resolution number?
1:22:06middle country road polar
1:22:09They're putting a roof canopy on the over the gas pumps there and their other gas station has
1:22:15On the canopy is a peaked roof and that whole corridor around 25
1:22:21every building has a peaked roof on it and I would just think it would
1:22:26Match the rest of the buildings going along that that rural corridor there by having some type of a peaked roof
1:22:33So it matches the other existing Boulder State
1:22:36so head head head
1:22:38and all the other commercial buildings that are on 25?
1:22:41I would be opposed to tabling it, but I'm not opposed to adding it to the resolution.
1:22:48Okay.
1:22:48If Greg feels that's...
1:22:50So I did speak with Member Hogan about this,
1:22:54and we did look at the BOLA further east on Middle Country Road over by the charter school out there.
1:23:01It's not a full peaked roof.
1:23:03It's kind of like a hip roof on it.
1:23:04But, now, I mean, the structure is a lot closer to the roadway than the one at BOLA Edwards is.
1:23:11I'm not opposed to it.
1:23:12This has not been something that's been discussed with the applicant.
1:23:16So, I mean, we can put it as a condition.
1:23:18I don't know if you'd rather have a discussion with the applicant and inform them.
1:23:21No, I don't want to hold them up.
1:23:24We can include it, and if they're that much opposed to it, then we can, you know, rediscuss it.
1:23:29But John has a good idea, and I want to congratulate BOLA.
1:23:33Their projects, their trucks, everything.
1:23:34A number one.
1:23:36So we want everything that's going to be in Riverhead to be A number one.
1:23:40So thank you, John.
1:23:42So if that's the case, then I would recommend...
1:23:44Amend it?
1:23:45I don't know if we want to table.
1:23:47I don't know how we want to correct that.
1:23:48I wouldn't recommend tabling it.
1:23:50I would recommend amending condition number one.
1:23:54It says prior to the issuance of a building permit, the site plan shall be signed by the planning board chairman.
1:23:59Prior to the signature of the plans, the plan shall be revised as follows.
1:24:02I would recommend adding letter D.
1:24:04The plans shall be revised to show a hip roof on the canopy structures in a form approved by the planning board.
1:24:13That way, before you sign a plan, we'll just have a quick follow-up resolution.
1:24:19This way we get them going, but we still get a better looking project.
1:24:24Good.
1:24:25All right, so I'll read the resolution with the amendment.
1:24:28All right.
1:24:292025-034.
1:24:314129 Middle Country Road.
1:24:33BOLA Market.
1:24:34Canopy.
1:24:34Canopy and site improvement.
1:24:37Result of granting administrative site approval of the site plan application seeking to construct a canopy with amendments.
1:24:46Is that okay?
1:24:48All right, so moved.
1:24:48Second.
1:24:49Moved and second.
1:24:50Mr. Zelnicki.
1:24:51Mr. Hogan.
1:24:52Mr. DeNiro.
1:24:53Mr. Baer.
1:24:54An aye vote, aye.
1:24:55The motion carries.
1:24:57I move resolution 2025-035.
1:25:02Cresta State.
1:25:03Slot number three.
1:25:04Resolution approving a grading and drainage plan for a single-fam residence proposed on lot number three.
1:25:12Second.
1:25:12Cresta State.
1:25:13Second.
1:25:14Moved and second.
1:25:15Mr. Zelnicki.
1:25:16Mr. Hogan.
1:25:17Mr. DeNiro.
1:25:18Mr. Baer.
1:25:20An aye vote, aye.
1:25:20The motion carries.
1:25:24Resolution number 2025-036.
1:25:27Cresta State.
1:25:28Slot number four.
1:25:29Resolution approving the grading and drainage plan for a single-fam residence proposed on lot number three.
1:25:35Cresta State.
1:25:35Slot number four.
1:25:36So moved.
1:25:37Second.
1:25:37Moved and second.
1:25:38Mr. Zelnicki.
1:25:39Mr. Hogan.
1:25:40Mr. DeNiro.
1:25:41Mr. Baer.
1:25:42An aye vote, aye.
1:25:43The motion carries.
1:25:44Okay.
1:25:44Public comments on all matters?
1:25:45Any takers?
1:25:45Nothing important to say?
1:25:46Okay.
1:25:46Greg, we have a secret action?
1:25:46Yeah, I believe that's the E.C. Battery application.
1:25:47Just commenced the secret coordination.
1:25:48All right.
1:25:48Do we have to move that or is it?
1:25:49[transcription gap]
1:25:51Okay.
1:25:52Town board, yes.
1:25:52On meeting minutes.
1:25:53Second.
1:25:53Moved and second.
1:25:53Mr. Zelnicki.
1:25:54Mr. Hogan.
1:25:54Mr. Baer.
1:25:55Second.
1:25:55Moved and second.
1:25:55Second.
1:25:55Moved by head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
1:25:59just commence the secret coordination.
1:26:02All right. Do we have to move that?
1:26:05Okay. So I'll be putting the town
1:26:07as lead agency.
1:26:09Okay.
1:26:11Meeting minutes.
1:26:13I'll move the minutes of March 20th,
1:26:152025. Second.
1:26:18Moved and seconded, Mr. Zelnicki? Yes.
1:26:20Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nero? Aye.
1:26:21Mr. Baer? Yes.
1:26:22I vote aye. Minutes carry.
1:26:27Any other business staff?
1:26:29No. Correspondents? Everything's good?
1:26:32Earth Day is next Friday, if anybody cares.
1:26:34What is it? Earth Day is next Friday.
1:26:37So we're not going to talk
1:26:37about AstroTurf.
1:26:40Our next meeting
1:26:42is Thursday, May 1st
1:26:44at 6 p.m.
1:26:47Motion to close?
1:26:49Motion to close.
1:26:51Second.
1:26:52All in favor? Aye.
1:26:54All opposed?
1:26:56Have a nice weekend, everybody.
1:26:57Good job. Happy Easter.
1:26:59Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Justin. Good afternoon, everybody. It's Thursday, April. It's April 17th at 3 o'clock, and that's the advertised time and place for the planning board meeting. Please join the board in standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon, everybody. We do have one public hearing today. We have one public hearing today. Points East, LLC, minor subdivision. Greg, can you bring us up to speed, please? Yes, sir. Good afternoon, Chairman, members of the planning board. For the record, Greg Bergman, senior planner with the Riverhead Planning Department. And I do want to acknowledge I received for this public hearing the affidavit of posting and mailing, the required mailing notices, and the photographs showing the proof of posting. What we have is a public hearing for a four-lot minor subdivision of land. The subject property is located at 455. Middle Road, Riverhead, New York. More particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Map number 600-84-1-6. Subject property is 2.05 acres in size. It's located on the south side of Middle Road. It is presently improved with an existing single-family residence. The proposed subdivision seeks to create a four-lot minor subdivision utilizing transfer of development rights through the town of Riverhead, which is authorized by the town code. The proposed action is a type 2 action pursuant to SECRA, which is a section of the

! I have spoken with the applicant. He is working on preparing a grading and drainage plan for that proposed driveway. We did get comments back from the Riverhead Fire Marshal. There are certain requirements that need to be met in terms of the width of the driveway, construction of the driveway, ability to sustain weight of an emergency vehicle in the event of a fire. The applicant is currently working with the Riverhead Water District. There is an easement that runs to the north and south through the property along the western property boundary. And we have spoken with the applicant. We have clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear NEED TO BE COMPLETED AND REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THERE WILL NEED TO BE RESTRICTIONS AND COVENANTS THAT WOULD BE FILED ON THIS PROPERTY TO RECORD THOSE RECEIVING OF THOSE TDRS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TDRS THERE ARE? TWO TDRS. IT'S ESSENTIALLY ONE TDR PER ADDITIONAL LOT. THEY GO DOWN TO THE CODE ALLOWS YOU TO GO DOWN TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET EVEN THOUGH IT'S WITHIN THE 40,000 SQUARE FEET ZONE. YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE DENSITY WITH THE USE OF TDRS. BEYOND THAT, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE APPEALGON IS HERE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM. THANK YOU, GREG. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK? I WILL. I DO. I JUST REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE THE LAST TIME IT CAME IN, WE WERE WORRYING ABOUT THE WATER MAIN. YEAH. SO THE WATER MAIN. IT'S ACTIVE? SO THE WATER MAIN IS ACTIVE. IT IS PART OF THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK FOR THE RIVERHEAD WATER DISTRICT. AGAIN, THEY'RE WORKING ON. THEY NEED TO DETERMINE THE CONDITION OF THE PIPE, DETERMINE IF IT'S SUITABLE TO ACTUALLY TAP OFF OF. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THE APPEALGON IS WORKING ON WITH THE WATER DISTRICT. WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT GRANT ANY APPROVALS BEFORE WE GET FORMAL COMMENTS FROM THE RIVERHEAD WATER DISTRICT. BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON IDENTIFYING THAT ISSUE. IS THERE ALSO A MAIN IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? YES. I BELIEVE THERE IS A 12-INCH MAIN IN MIDDLE ROAD. OKAY. I BELIEVE IT'S A DISTRIBUTION LINE. I THINK IT'S. IT'S NOT A DEAD END. THAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS WORKING ON. I CAN HANDLE A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I WENT DOWN TO THE. EXCUSE ME, SIR. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SHAW MORRISON, 38 MILL POND LANE, EAST MERCHES, NEW YORK. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. SO I HAD A MEETING AT RIVERHEAD WATER AUTHORITY. I MET WITH WHO WAS IN CHARGE THERE. AND I THINK THEY BROUGHT IN THE PRE-EXISTING PERSON WHO WAS IN CHARGE. IS IT CORWIN? I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME. SO THEY BROUGHT HIM IN BECAUSE HE UNDERSTOOD THE PREVIOUS AND THE OLD LINES OF PIPES THAT GO THROUGH THE TOWN. SO THAT IS, I THINK, AN 18-INCH MAIN THAT'S SURROUNDED BY A 24-INCH. AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO EXPAND SOME OF THE WAY THE TOWN WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED. WHEN I SPOKE WITH HIM, HE'S LIKE, YOU CAN LIKELY TAP A FIRE HYDRATE OFF IF NEEDED. YOU CAN ALSO TAP WATER LINES IF NEEDED. HE'S LIKE, AND IF WE DECIDED NOT THAT, THERE'S A WATER MAIN ON MIDDLE ROAD AND WE CAN BRING WATER LINES UP FROM THAT WAY. BUT HE WAS ABLE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION AND THERE'S WATER FROM MULTIPLE SOURCES. THAT WATER LINE IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. WE ARE ALLOWED TO PUT A DRIVEWAY OVER THE TOP OF IT. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BLOCK IT. WE JUST HAVE TO ALLOW THEM USAGE OF THE DRIVEWAY IF THEY EVER HAVE TO SERVICE. THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE, DO YOU PLAN TO TAKE IT DOWN OR? SO WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE STILL NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO IT'S POSSIBLE. WE MIGHT REHAB IT AND THERE'S AN OPEN PERMIT TO DO SO. THE HOUSE IS IN PRETTY POOR SHAPE. HOWEVER, ACROSS THE STREET IS AN IDENTICAL HOME THAT PREEXISTS AND LOOKS REALLY NICE AND WE WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO REUSE IT AS MUCH OF THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS ORIGINAL USAGE. AND THEN BEHIND THERE, THREE LOTS WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THE PREVIOUS BUILDER TO THE WEST DID. THERE'S A SIMILAR FLAG LOT WITH THREE LOTS UP. WE WOULD PROBABLY BE PROPOSING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT. NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU. NEW SPEAKER DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? NEW SPEAKER NOT AT ALL. NEW SPEAKER OKAY. NEW SPEAKER YEAH. THANK YOU. NEW SPEAKER ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CARE TO COMMENT? NEW SPEAKER NO. NEW SPEAKER THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SO ZOOM FOLKS HAVE THE RIGHT TO TRY THEM IN IF THEY LIKE. NEW SPEAKER WE HAVE NO ONE ON ZOOM. NEW SPEAKER NO ONE ON ZOOM. NEW SPEAKER BOARD MEMBERS? ANY OTHER? NEW SPEAKER MOVE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NEW SPEAKER SECOND. NEW SPEAKER MOVED AND SECOND. MR. ZELNICKI? NEW SPEAKER YES. NEW SPEAKER MR. HOGAN? NEW SPEAKER YES. NEW SPEAKER MR. DINERO? NEW SPEAKER AYE. NEW SPEAKER MR. BEAR? NEW SPEAKER YES. NEW SPEAKER AND I VOTE AYE. MOTION CARRIES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. GOOD LUCK. NEW SPEAKER THANK YOU. NEW SPEAKER WE HAVE FOUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. I WANT TO SEE WHO STANDS UP FOR THIS ONE. THE HENPECKED HUSBAND FARM STANDS. NEW SPEAKER UNFORTUNATELY THE OWNER COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. NEW SPEAKER TOO EMBARRASSED TO SHOW? NEW SPEAKER NO THE PROPERTY OWNER'S NAME IS STERLING SHURGEN. I THINK IT'S UNDER NORTHWOOD REAL ESTATE HOLDINGS BUT IT'S CALLED HENPECKED HUSBAND FARM FOR ANYONE WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. SO WE RECEIVED A FARM STAND APPLICATION TO LEGALIZE A PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED FARM STAND BUILDING AT 1254 NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE IN RIVERHEAD. SOUTHWOOD COUNTY TAX RATE NUMBER 665-5-10. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS A 15.9 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE. IT'S ABOUT 950 FEET NORTH FROM THE INTERSECTION OF NORTHVILLE AND DOCTOR'S PATH. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ENGAGED IN BONIFIED AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN SOLD TO THE TOWN OF RIVERHEAD ON THE BACK HALF OF THE PROPERTY. THE OWNER DID RETAIN A 2.59 ACRE AREA ALONG NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE. THAT'S WHERE THE FARM STAND IS LOCATED. AND UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE THE FARM STAND WAS CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT PERMITS HE IS A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. SO NOT WITHIN THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY BUT HE'S 13.3 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. AND OUR CODE DOESN'T DEFINE A SETBACK FOR A FARM STAND. SO WE GO BY THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS WHICH WOULD BE 60 FEET IN APZ ZONING. SO HE DOES NEED RELIEF FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN MADE AND HE'S SET TO BE HEARD NEXT WEEK AT THE BOARD'S MEETING. BUT I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD JUST TO SEE IF ANYONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS. UM. UM. UM. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE FARM STAND IS GOING TO BE UNATTENDED. THEY DO WANT TO SELL, THEY GROW NUMEROUS KINDS OF FLOWERS ON THE PROPERTY. THEY WERE DOING WHOLESALE. THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO MORE OF A RETAIL WHICH AGAIN IS PERMITTED. THEY HAVE A BONIFIED ARTICULTURAL OPERATION THERE. THEY'LL BE USING WELL WATER TO PROVIDE WATER FOR THE FLOWERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE, THEY'LL DO BOQUETS AND I GUESS CUT FLOWERS THERE. THERE WILL BE ELECTRIC FOR THE FARM STAND BUILDING. SO OBVIOUSLY IF THEY RECEIVE THE APPROPRIATE RELIEF FROM THE ZONING BOARD THEY'LL COME BACK FOR FARM STAND APPROVAL AND THEN FOLLOW UP WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS. I REFERRED IT OVER TO OUR TOWN ENGINEER JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE INSTALLING A DRY WELL IN ORDER TO CONTAIN ANY SORT OF STORM WATER RUNOFF. THE TOWN ENGINEER REQUESTED THAT THE APPECTS PROVIDE A DETAIL AND PLAN VIEW OF THE PROPOSED DRY WELL WHICH HE DID. SO THERE'S AN UPDATED SURVEY SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE DRY WELL AND THE APPECENT ALSO PROVIDE A NARRATIVE LIKE HOW DEEP IT'S GOING TO BE AND HOW BIG AND DREW WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT. SO THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION. DID THEY RECEIVE A STOP WORK ORDER? YES. CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER. HE MADE AN APPLICATION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUT HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET THE FARM STAND APPROVAL. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO INTRODUCE IT TO THE BOARD FIRST THEN GO TO ZONING BOARD AND IF HE IS GRANTED THE SETBACK RELIEF HE CAN COME BACK FOR APPROVAL AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO FINISH HIS FARM STAND BEFORE THE NEXT TIME. I NOTICED THERE WERE ONLY THREE PARKING SPOTS. AS DISCUSSED NUMEROUS TIMES, THERE IS NO PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR FARM STANDS IN OUR TOWN CODE. IF YOU WERE TO GO BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE AND GO ONE PER 300 WHICH I THINK IS OUR PARKING SCHEDULE, IT'S ANY USE NOT SPECIFICALLY DEFINED. HE HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING THERE. MOST FARM STANDS AS WE HAVE SEEN THERE IS A GRAVEL AREA. THE SIDE OF THE PARKING STAND IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. STALLS AREN'T TYPICALLY DEMARCATED. THEY CAN ALSO USE THE GRASS AREA. IN THIS CASE, I WOULD WANT THEM TO AT LEAST SHOW AN ACCESSIBLE STALL, NOT JUST ONE. BECAUSE THIS IS UNATTENDED, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT MUCH PARKING. I REFERRED IT TO THE COUNTY, BUT THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CURB CUTS OR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE COUNTY RIDEAWAY. SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH. HOW DO THEY TAKE ORDERS? IF IT'S UNMANNED AND PEOPLE JUST DRIVE IN, THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT CAN COMMUNICATE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH ANDREW'S FARM STANDS. IT'S CALLED AN HONOR TRAILER WHERE THEY HAVE THINGS OUT DURING THE WINTER OR THE OFF-SEASON AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE MAILBOX THAT PEOPLE WILL PUT MONEY IN. IT'S PRETTY COMMON AMONG A LOT OF THE SMALLER FARM STANDS TOO. MAYBE THEY WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY THERE FOR MOTHER'S DAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE OPEN TO SORT OF HELP PEOPLE, EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THE FLOWERS ARE. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T IMAGINE IT BEING A HUGE PARKING DEMAND. SO WEATHER IS A BIG ISSUE. WHETHER IT'S ATTENDED OR UNATTENDED, I DON'T THINK, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LARGE SCALE OPERATION. WHAT ABOUT SIGNAGE? THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY SIGNAGE. OBVIOUSLY IF THEY WANTED TO DO A SIGN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE APPLICATION AND I IMAGINE IT WOULD BE REFERRED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO GET A FEEL FOR IF YOU GUYS HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS. I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A BOARD OF STANDS. THEY SHOULD HAVE A PORTA SAND ON THE PROPERTY. OH, A PORTA POTTY? YES. OKAY, THAT'S SOMETHING. I THINK THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT MOST FARM STANDS DO THAT DON'T HAVE ON-SITE BATHROOM FACILITIES, BUT I'LL BRING THAT UP. THIS IS ALL STUFF THAT I WANT TO BRING BACK TO THE APPLICANT THAT WAY THEY CAN WORK ON IT IN THE INTERIM WHILE THEY'RE GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO THE CBA? NEXT WEEK. HEATHER, REAL QUICK, BEFORE HE PUT THE FRAME STAND UP, THE FARM STAND, DID HE INQUIRE TO ANYONE ABOUT THE FOOTAGE AWAY FROM THE ROAD OR HE JUST? NO, NOT THAT. I MEAN, THEY HAD, I THINK THEY HAD LIKE A LITTLE, LIKE A HOTCH ON WHEELS THERE, WHICH WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD COME IN FOR A FARM STAND APPLICATION FOR BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING IT IN EVERY NIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE JUST ASSUMED. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. IT WAS REFERRED TO AG ADVISORY. I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH PHIL SCHMIDT. THEY HAD THEIR MEETING ON MONDAY JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY SAID. OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF FARM STANDS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THE ROAD, BUT THIS IS PRETTY WELL BUILT TO BE THAT CLOSE TO THE ROAD. YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY UNDER THE ZONING BOARD'S PERVIEW TO, YOU KNOW, WEIGH THE, YOU KNOW, DO THE BALANCING TEST FOR THE AREA VARIANCE. I KNOW A LOT OF LIKE SMALLER FARM STANDS ARE CLOSER, FATHER AWAY. AGAIN, IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE I THINK FOR FARM STANDS THEY WANT THE VISIBILITY, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC SETBACK FOR FARM STANDS IN THE CODE. THEY DON'T FALL UNDER ACCESSORY STANDS. OKAY. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRUCTURE SETBACKS BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY IN THE FRONT YARD. SO WE JUST DEFER TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS AND APZ AT 60 FEET. I SUSPECT THAT GIVEN THE NAME HEN-PECKED HUSBAND, HIS WIFE MADE HIM DO IT. JUST GUESSING. AND HEATHER, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE RAIL FENCE, THE IRON FENCE? YEAH, SO I INCLUDED BECAUSE THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO THE TOWN, THE FARM LAND COMMITTEE, ALL THE STRUCTURES BACK THERE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THEM. SO THEY APPROVED AN EIGHT FOOT POST AND WIRE DEER FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY, EVEN WITHIN THE RETAINED AREA. AND IT WAS UP THERE. AND AT SOME POINT HE SWITCHED THE FRONTAGE ALONG NORTHVILLE TURNPIKE TO THAT BLACK ESTATE FENCE. IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT MATERIAL. AND I KNOW HE DID GO TO FARMLAND, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY APPROVED OF IT OR NOT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO DO SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION ON BECAUSE IF IT'S IN THE RETAINED PORTION, TECHNICALLY HE DOESN'T NEED FARMLAND APPROVAL. BUT EIGHT FEET EXCEEDS THE ALLOWABLE FENCE HEIGHT. IT SHOULD BE FOUR FEET, RIGHT? FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT. BUT WE ALLOW FARMS TO HAVE THE EIGHT FOOT DEER FENCE. BUT I THINK LIKE IN MOST CASES IT'S... WE LOOKED IT UP BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THERE'S REALLY NO CRITERIA, SADLY, THAT SAYS DEER FENCING. YEAH. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK ON MY END. BUT I INCLUDE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT JUST SO YOU'RE ALL AWARE. THANK YOU. AND THAT FENCE THAT HE JUST PUT IN, HEATHER, IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE ROAD? YEAH. IT'S WHOLLY WITHIN HIS PROPERTY. AND I MEAN TECHNICALLY YOU CAN PUT FENCES RIGHT UP TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE. YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT ENCROACHING INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY. ANYTHING ELSE, GENERAL? ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAY I CAN GIVE THEM A LAUNDRY LIST TO LOOK OVER. ALL RIGHT. SO IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE ZONING BOARD, WE'LL BE BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU. STAY RIGHT UP THERE, HEATHER, BECAUSE WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, 47 PELLETREU LLC FARMSTAND. I THINK KEN JEN IS HERE. WE'RE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ONE. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP, KEN? HELLO, KEN. GOOD EVENING.

DO YOU HAVE ALL THE SURVEYS? OKAY. I THINK I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN THIS EBA FILE. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS APPLICATION IS ALSO FOR FARMSTAND. IT'S WITHIN AN APPLICANT. IT'S AN EXISTING FARM. IT'S LOCATED AT 2241 ROADOAK AVENUE, SEPA COUNTY TAXA NUMBER 600-42-1-24.2. SO THIS IS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS RELIEF. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT CASE. SO THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ONLY .91 ACRES. SO IT DOESN'T MEET THE ACRES REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A FARMSTAND OTHER THAN THE ALLEGIABILITY CRITERIA. SO FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF A FARMING FAMILY, SHE HAS GROUND LEASES WHERE SHE HAS ACRES WHERE SHE'S GROWN AND WILL BE GROWING HER FLOWERS, WHICH WILL BE FOR SALE AT THE FARMSTAND. UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THAT THE ALLEGIABILITY CRITERIA IS WORDED, BECAUSE THE AG PRODUCTION ISN'T HAPPENING ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL WHERE THE FARMSTAND IS, SHE NEEDS TO GET RELIEF FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THAT. SO AGAIN, AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN MADE, AND THE ZBA WILL BE HEARING THIS CASE AT THEIR MEETING NEXT WEEK. SO THE EXISTING BARN HAS BEEN THERE. IT HAS A LETTER OF PREEXISTING USE, AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY PART OF A LARGER PARCEL OF LAND THAT UNDERWENT A SUBDIVISION YEARS AGO. SO AT ONE POINT, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SURVEY HERE, THERE'S LOT TWO, LOT THREE, AND LOT ONE. IT WAS SPLIT INTO THREE SEPARATE PARCELS. LOT ONE IS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT'S OWN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. LOT TWO HAS THE BARN. AND THEN LOT THREE IS STILL FULLY ENGAGED IN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION. OH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE SIZE IN TOTALITY. LOT THREE, WHICH IS I THINK STILL UNDER OWNERSHIP OF THE FAMILY. WHERE IS LOT THREE? IS THAT THE NORTHERN MOST? IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF ROANOKE. SO ROANOKE AVENUE IS HERE. THIS IS GOING NORTH. LOT TWO IS WHERE THE BARN IS. OKAY. AND TO THE WEST, LIKE BEHIND EVERYTHING, IS THAT 50-ACRE PARCEL. OH, THAT'S LOT THREE. THAT'S LOT THREE. SO THIS AT ONE POINT WAS ALL ONE PROPERTY, BUT IT GOT SUBDIVIDED. SO THAT SORT OF CREATES THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, SHE WANTS TO USE THE EXISTING BARN AS A FARM STAND, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA AND THE WORDING IN TOWN CODE, SHE NEEDS SOWNING BOARD OF APPEALS RELIEF BECAUSE IT'S NOT. WHERE'S THE ACCESS TO LOT NUMBER THREE? SO IF YOU LOOK HERE, THIS IS PART OF LOT THREE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO HERE TOO. SO IT'S NOT CREATING A LANDLOCK? NO, NO, NO. OKAY. AND THE PARCEL WHERE THE BARN IS HAS FRONTAGE ALONG THE RENDER GIVING YOU. THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT AND A STONE DRIVEWAY. SO LET'S JUST SKIP FORWARD. I REFERRED THIS TO ENGINEERING. DREW HAD NO COMMENTS. IT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY SORT OF ADDITIONS TO IT. SHE DID PROVIDE GROUND LEASES FOR HER. THE LEASE FARM PARCEL IS JUST TO SHOW THAT SHE NEEDS THE AVERAGE REQUIREMENTS AND WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE AG EXCEPTION. DOES THE FACILITY HAVE A RESTROOM OR ARE YOU GOING TO USE A PORT? IT DOES, RIGHT? YEAH, THE LPEU IS FOR THE BARN AND THE BATHROOM. SO THE BATHROOM IS THERE ALREADY. I DID INQUIRE AS TO THE LOCATION OF THE SANITARY SYSTEM. AND THE SURVEYOR WAS ABLE TO SHOW THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE SANITARY SYSTEM. I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW OLD IT IS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BENEFIT THE AG. SO I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THE AG TO KNOW THOSE DETAILS IF THERE'S EVER AN ISSUE IN THE FUTURE. I DID REFER IT OVER TO HIGHWAY JUST TO SEE IF MIKE HAD ANY INPUT. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK. BUT, AGAIN, THE CURB CUT THAT'S THERE IS EXISTING. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW PARKING AREAS. BUT IN THE APPLICATION, IT WAS DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE THAN ENOUGH PARKING FOR VEHICLES. THEY HAVE THIS AREA, THE LITTLE TURNAROUND HERE, AND THEN THE GRASS AREAS. BUT WITH THE OTHER FARMING AREAS, THEY HAVE A LITTLE TURNAROUND HERE. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE APPLICATION, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE AN ACCESSIBLE STALL DELINEATED ON THERE. YOU KNOW, AND IMPROVED APPROPRIATELY. THERE ARE CERTAIN TYPES OF GRAVEL THAT CAN BE USED. AND THEN THIS WAS REFERRED TO AG ADVISORY AS WELL. AND THEY MET ON MONDAY. WERE YOU THERE, KEN? I WAS NOT, BUT MY CLIENT WAS, AND SHE SAID THEY WERE SUPPORTING. OKAY. SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH BILL SCHMIDT AND THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE TO CONFIRM. I'M STILL CONFUSED AS TO WHERE THIS IS. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THE INTERSECTION OF THE STAND. NO, NO, NO, JUST LISTEN FOR A MINUTE. OKAY. I HAVE A MAP HERE THAT SAYS YOUNG AND YOUNG. AND IT'S LOT TWO AND LOT THREE. AND THEN THERE'S A MAP, THERE'S A STRUCTURE IN THE MIDDLE. THAT'S THE RESIDENT HOUSE. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY LOT ONE ON THE SUBDIVISION MAP. I THINK THEY INCLUDED THAT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. LIKE, THEY LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE CLOSED FARM STANDS. OKAY. AND THEN THIS THEN BECOMES THE FARM LOT. THIS IS THE FARM LOT, RIGHT? DOES THAT SAY FRAME BARN ON IT? YES, THAT'S THE FARM. THAT'S WHERE THE FARM STAND IS GOING TO BE WITHIN THE FARM. OKAY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS BECAUSE I HAD ANOTHER MAP. WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE? ON YOUR WAY HOME TODAY, GO NORTH ON ROANOAK AND YOU'LL SEE IT. I KNOW WHERE IT IS. BUT IT'S AN OLD BARN AND SHE RESTORED IT. THEY RECEIVED A MAP. I THINK IT'S FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DO NEW ELECTRIC IN THE BATHROOM AND THROUGHOUT THE BARN. I BELIEVE THERE WERE SOME OTHER CHANGES MADE THAT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED UP WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. BUT IF FARM STAND APPROVAL IS GRANTED, THEY'LL NEED A CORRESPONDING PERMIT AND CO FOR THAT. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD ALL BE HANDLED UNDER ONE PERMIT. I HAVE A QUESTION. IT SAYS ON HERE PROPOSED USES. IT SAYS FLOWER FARM, BARM STAND CLASSES AND BARN EVENTS. WHAT ARE BARN EVENTS? I SPOKE WITH PEGGY THE OTHER DAY AND I GUESS THE QUILTING ASSOCIATION OR I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE REACHED OUT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO SORT OF A QUILTING FESTIVAL. I INFORMED HER THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HANDLED THROUGH A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT THROUGH THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE IF IT'S PUBLIC. IF SHE WANTED TO DO PRIVATE FLOWER CLASSES AS ACCESSORY USED TO THE FARM STAND, AS LONG AS THE FIRE MARSHAL AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT ARE SATISFIED WITH THE SAFETY OF THE BUILDING AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO THAT. IF THEY DON'T EXCEED WHATEVER OCCUPANCY THEY'RE LIMITED TO, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. THAT WAS MY CONCERN BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING AND IT IS A BIG BARN. I WAS THINKING WEDDINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD YOU EXPECT TO HAVE AT A QUILTING? SHE'S GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE TOWN CODE. SO WHATEVER THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES OF HER. SHE'S VERY SAVVY. SHE DOES READ IT A LOT. SO SHE'S AWARE OF WHAT THE TOWN CODE AND WHAT SPECIAL EVENTS ARE. WHAT TRIGGERS A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION. SHE DOES LIVE NEXT DOOR. SO SHE'S NOT LOOKING TO HAVE A 300 PERSON WEDDING WITH ONE BATHROOM AND HER AND HER HUSBAND AND HER FAMILY LIVING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY. BUT SHE IS AWARE OF CODE REQUIREMENTS AND OCCUPANCY. THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL PUT AN OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT AND SHE WILL COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE TOWN CODE. SO THEY'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRE MARSHALS AND EVERYTHING AS FAR AS THAT? THEY'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW. I HAVE NOT. SHE MAY HAVE BEEN. I KNOW I HAVE NOT BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. BUT DEFINITELY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, THAT'S GOING TO BE, I BELIEVE THEY ALREADY REFERRED THE APPLICATION. OKAY. AND THEN WE GO TO THE ZONING BOARD NEXT WEEK. SO IT'S ALL PREDICATED ON THE ZONING BOARD IF THEY GRANT THE RELIEF OR NOT. AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK AND IF FARM STAND APPROVAL IS GRANTED SUBJECT TO WHATEVER POSITIONS, THEY WOULD ALSO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPER BUILDING AND FIRE MARSHAL PERMITS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAPPY EASTER, EVERYBODY. SAME TO YOU. SAME TO YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER THREE, EC BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE PROJECT WITH MATT CHARTERS. YOU CAN COME. YEAH, YOU GUYS COME HERE. COME ON. YOU WANT TO HOLD IT UP AGAIN? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU SHOW US THAT DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP DROPUMP You have that plan right in the middle. That'll be very helpful. Just watch the money. I don't want to get you in trouble.

Steven, while we're setting up, if you can introduce everybody. Sure. Good afternoon. Thank you for having us. Steven LaSquadra on behalf of DC Battery Storage, a project on Edwards Avenue in Calverton, immediately adjacent to the railroad tracks. The developer on the project is Rhineland Energy. A principal of Rhineland Energy is here. He's immediately to my right. That's Gus Hadidi. We have Walter Sieber. He's from IMEC, our engineers and architects on the project. Should there be any questions that you might have regarding site layout or any particulars beyond what Matt is going to describe, Walter would be very happy to answer those. And, of course, we have to my left Paul Rogers from ESRG. Paul's a veteran at FDNY. Hi. Surely, by anyone's measure, the leading fire safety expert, and consultant regarding battery energy storage projects in the country, works very closely with Andrew Smith, your fire marshal. And Paul and I have also worked closely with Andrew and the fire commissioners of the Riverhead Fire District to explain the nature of the project and also training that will come to be provided by the applicant in the future. Should you like any detail on that, again, beyond what Matt's going to say, Paul can address that with you. And I'll certainly supplement that as needed. So that's who we are here now. And, again, based on what Matt has to say, we'll certainly add to that. Good. All right. I distributed a staff report to you guys all in the packet. I know it's a little bit long, but I think it was a good exercise to get everybody familiar with Tier 2 battery energy storage systems. The board is not aware. In 2023, the town did adopt a code, largely based on the Max Erdogan model code, with some added... restrictions that are a little bit more Riverhead-specific to sort of beef it up to allow these uses within the town. This application in particular has been in for a little while. It did get caught in the industrial moratorium that was in Calverton while we did the update. That's lifted. So they've done some revisions to make sure everything is compliant. It's been working sort of in the background. And not before you. This application was discussed before the town board this morning at work session because it does require a site plan and a special permit. The town board obviously... Half of the operation, you have the site plan due to its location. So what's the procedure? Who goes first? You can really review concurrently. Obviously, you guys can't make a decision until the town board grants special permit approval. I mean, it's really at the applicant's risk to proceed with both. However, you know, from what you saw in the staff report, I want to say probably 90% of the code provisions that we have in place are met or exceeded. There's some tweaking that we need, but it largely complies to the supplementary... ...the supplementary code that we have. Just to familiarize everybody with the site and what they're seeking, this is a 60 megawatt or 120 megawatt battery energy storage system. So how that works is, you know, to my, you know, basic understandings, they purchase power from the grid usually when production is high, demand is low, and then it gets put back into the grid when demand is high. Lithium ion technology, which are batteries everyone should be familiar with at this point in time, they're in consumer production. They're in electric cars, hybrid cars, pretty much all aspects of your daily life. The site itself is a 1.6 acre parcel on Edwards Avenue, as Steven mentioned. Currently it has the headquarters for Long Island Farm Bureau, and there's a service garage behind it. Everything is proposed to be removed. The point of interconnection is right behind this site, so they'll be connecting to the grid, the underground conduit to that substation that's right there. To the north there's a fuel... . I want to say like a fuel depot across the street. There's a cabinet maker and the Hampton Jitney bus depot's further up the road. Railroad tracks right to the south. Just beyond the railroad tracks there are some residential parcels. So in the staff report it's pretty explicit as to what they need to do. In terms of secret, this is an unlisted action where this board is named as an involved agency. The town board has requested lead agency. It's staff's recommendation that the town board assumes lead agency unless the planning board, which is the district that feels like they need to be, which I don't think that's the case. No. Situated...this is in the CI zoning use district, which is battery energy storage. It's a permitted use in that zone. So going through the code compliance, which starts on page four, most things are pretty much complied with. Starting on page five, we'll just need an accurate quantification for lot coverage, which is an engineering thing. Just because we changed our definition of impervious coverage, this use does allow up to 75% of the load. This is a very good thing. [transcription gap] that to be just a little bit more dense probably 10 feet a little bit better they'll have to maybe condense a little bit on site to meet that standard but in terms of screening it looks good there's also a nice buffer on the road which will help screen the facility similar to what we do for our solar installations where there's a nice dense evergreen buffer so you won't be able to see the property moving on to page six is where we talk about accessory versus principal uses a tier two system could be either in this case it's a principal use letter d of the code is avoidance area so this is one of the things we added to the to our code areas where these uses wouldn't be wouldn't be appropriate so flood hazard zones open space areas uh parcels containing primax soil historically or culturally significant resource areas designated conservation areas scenic corridors or within jurisdiction of any wetlands this site is in not within any proximity to any of those avoidance areas so that's that's a good thing in terms of submission we do have a site plan application and the special permit which you will be as i said earlier reviewing the site plan application so in that application we have requirements that are specific to battery energy storage one is a commissioning plan this is a requirement of the uniform code so they have to get commissioned before their final inspection for building before they can essentially go live that will be a requirement of any approval this board or the town board makes on to the next page we have a fire safety compliance plan that will need to be you know in a final form before an approval is issued the fire marshal has started reviewing that operation and maintenance manual we have and uh an erosion and sediment control plan this project will need to slip because it's over an equal of disturbance so he'll need to we'll need approval from that for the town engineer in terms of fencing they need the fencing requirements um it's going to be fully enclosed with a security fence to keep people at which is a good thing keep the site secure there's uh safety requirements in terms of signage uh those are ansi standards to let everyone know this is like a high voltage uh installation and to warn anyone's there that's there lighting is really i think for safety and emergency only on sites dark skies compliant uh noise is one thing i've asked for more information on which i've since received from the applicant because the so there's noise associated with fans that are in all these units but also the switch gear and the transformer do make a significant and a an amount of noise which i'm sure the board's aware from this from the solar uh installations that we have uh the preliminary sound study that we have indicates that with the residents that are to the south the sound levels will be just about as the same as the normal everyday sound levels vegetation to tree cutting again just more discussion about the buffer and then what's combustible or not i have that reference in here and then let's see so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so professional engineer is it like a is there a normal life to this site I believe 25 to 30 years is the estimate if I understand correctly 20 years 20 years yeah I had a couple questions to Matt yeah you're Walter you're from a call a KRF no I am NOT I make oh I make oh okay no I read this cover to cover yeah pretty pretty comprehensive yes that's the enhanced environmental analysis yeah that was done by actually took the time to read it in this document probably a hundred times says tier two what's the criteria for children so tier two that's a code requirement for us that's over a certain kilowatt hour Oh kilowatt okay yeah so understand what that was it was in a numerous times yeah which are these grid scale ones that are considered or I guess for Walter Paul right yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the proximity to the fuel farm just to the north of it is that an issue to be concerned with or yeah the fire marshal I said also he wants us to conduct a heat flux analysis based on a ul95 48 testing on skill fire testing where they actually put a worst-case scenario there and they grab a lot of data one of them happens to be heat release rates and then that's something that we have to prepare okay that's coming yeah that that's coming yeah it's something that Andrew requested my next section I have all of my referral comments so what Andrew basically asked for is a fire fire safety analysis for this site in relation to the fuel storage are there any kind of waves emitted like microwaves or any other kind of waves emitted nothing that comes out of the EMF studies that we've done in the past and the it says the boxes have a two-hour burn rate did I read that correctly that's our energy right energy rate energy rate okay the other thing how is I guess Vinnie Gordiello is going to determine how is it going to determine something that's going to be torn down 20 or 30 so they're engineers this is a typical thing that we do this with solar too there's a percentage you can assign in terms of cost on how much it would do now and then a future cost okay it's not a typical so it's an easy question yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm sure we'll have plenty of questions but that's all I have right now in terms of referrals so this has been under review for a little bit of time so we did get comments back from SHPO in January saying that there's no effect on any archaeological historic resources in the area by this application the town engineer did need some revisions to the plan and also noted that this requires a swift DEC noted that this is not within the wild and scenic rivers area and there's no freshwater wetlands within you know jurisdictional area but there are northern long-eared bats within three miles so we'll have the trees clearing requirements that you can't cut down trees between March 1st and November 30th this went before the Suffolk County Planning Commission in February in which they voted to approve with conditions number one was Suffolk County Planning Commission finds that first responder training is essential for any new best system so they want hazmat training so this is something that was in the !

so this is something that's clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear [transcription gap] clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear clear [transcription gap] And one of the things that the town board requested, which we're happy to agree to, is that in addition to the specific training, that by the way will be ongoing, that Matt just referred to, we'll also bring in, as they wish, other neighboring jurisdictions. So, Wading River, Manorville, Jamesport. They'll all be invited as well. This training is done on site, or do you guys have a facility somewhere where firemen go to train? Yeah, and what we'd like to do is a mixture of both, right, where we may have some indoor training and then eventually go out and do a walkthrough of the actual site so they can see. So once the site's complete, or is it like ongoing training as you're building it? These guys are being trained if something were to happen. Through the construction phase, is that what you're saying? Yes. Yeah, well, it becomes a little bit more precarious during the construction site, so we don't like to bring people on during the construction phase of it. But we could possibly give them an update on when the batteries become live, when they're going to be on the site. Yeah. When they're actually brought to the location, they're usually about 30% state of charge as per the U.S. DOT shipping regulations. Right. But they're not being charged back and forth to the grid yet. They're just dormant at the time. But there's still a lot of state of charge. Even a construction accident while this is being built. Sure. And these guys, they're not particularly going to a fire, but they're... Right. And that is something that we, you know, I'll make that recommendation that New York City does where they have, in the event of a construction accident, there's an 800 number they call the subject matter expert, which was something that was included already in the 15 recommendations that was mentioned before, where they'll have someone that can just testify to the department that has to be there within a certain amount of time. Yeah. You can provide somebody there that fast? The code says four hours. The code says a four-hour time. You can be there within four hours, but they said the maximum amount. Fifteen minutes on the phone, that's considered immediate in the code world. So immediate could be... You know, pretty quick. But they give up to 15 minutes as considered immediate. These are all part of the recommendations that came out of what Matt referred to as the New York State Working Group. The state fire code now is being enhanced. Paul was one of the critical people involved in helping write this new proposed code. The code is now actually set, so we're just waiting for adoption. But when it's enacted, which should be relatively soon, it'll be the strictest in the country. So that will apply here. Another thing I'd mention, too, with respect to getting ready and getting people familiar, yesterday Paul and I were in Staten Island with Andrew, and that was a two-hour site visit at a functioning facility. So it's a battery energy storage facility in Staten Island that's operational, and we had a very detailed walkthrough yesterday so that he could see firsthand how this works in a situation that's actual and not theoretical. So we're going to be working on that. [transcription gap] Okay. All right. So second condition from the Planning Commission was just they'd, rather than, I think, seeing the water permeate through the site because they have gravel now, they wanted catch basins just in terms of this is in a special groundwater protection area in case of an emergency and there's heavy metals or something from the batteries that are going into the groundwater. I'm actually going to reach out to them for more specifics in that regard. They'd also like to see a demolition and recycling. Okay. So that's the plan. These are in the comments now. Incorporation of all the draft fire code language, which the applicant has already told you that they're complying with. Moving on to our consulting engineer. Still same thing, more revisions. They just need all existing utilities shown on the plan. And then more specifics in terms of the decommissioning plan, a detail of the sound wall. They need to include the cost construction estimate in the decommissioning plan. And Vinny also noted the requirement for a SWIP. Riverhead Fire District, we got comments back in February expressing their concerns of the proximity to the site to the fuel storage facility and the need for a vehicle, which the applicant can speak more to that. And then Fire Marshal, again, just that they're asking for a fire apparatus staging area, outside the fence so they can essentially establish a command post if there is an issue at the property that's safe, at a safe distance. And then hazmat training as well. That's really it at this point in time. Like I said, this is our very first step. I have no action before this board today. The applicant's here to answer any questions. They're moving through the special permit site plan process. We just have an acknowledgment that you guys don't want lead agency for secret. We can do that via a memo to the town board. And I think that's it for me. Before we get started, Matt, I just have three quick questions. You had a, who owns the property just to the east of the proposed site? To the... Now, I know there's a substation there. You were saying it's going to be an underground conduit? Yeah, so I think it's LIPA that's right to the back. That is correct. So they own that piece in between the substation and the proposed? Yeah. You don't need an easement then? They'll need an easement, for sure, from LIPA. We'll work with LIPA on that. Yeah, to underground conduit. Okay. On the, in case something happens and you have to have a removal, or if the company goes out of business, is there a bond? Yes, that's the decommissioning fund. So they establish, that's like the future fund we were talking about earlier, so they'll establish the cost now of what it would be to decommission the entire site. Right. And then there's a cost factor that's applied for, you know, to establish what the future cost would be. And it establishes who would be responsible for doing the decommissioning. Right. And my last question is, gentlemen, these are volunteer firemen. And in case of an emergency, they're supposed to have hazmat, you know, training. Yeah. And you guys will pay for that? Are there any salaries going to be paid out for an emergency, something like this? I don't know. Not to my knowledge. I mean, it's just that it's a little. Do you know where I'm getting? They're volunteers, and then you're asking them to go into a situation. Okay. It could be. Okay. [transcription gap] Extremely. That you don't deal with every day. Yeah. I think it should. Well, I should say this. Andrew arranged for us to meet with all the commissions of the fire district. I would never presume to speak for them, because obviously they'll speak to you, I'm sure, as well. And I know you folks know most, if not all, of them. But I would offer that they were very satisfied with the meeting. Their principal interest was training. They're very comfortable with the fact that Paul and his team will provide it. Paul's with ESRG. That's the Energy Safety Response Group. And they are the leaders nationally. And they're former very high ranking FDNY officials. So that training will be, as we said, provided and ongoing will be given. Another request that they had as well, which was important, was their principal concern, was that they wanted to invest in a particular vehicle, equipment, that they earmarked at a certain price point. And they said they thought it would come in at about $80,000, $90,000. So what the applicant committed was that the applicant would provide $100,000, just to take into account that prices could fluctuate. And this way then they'll be able to purchase the exact vehicle that they want to buy. So that commitment has already been established. And Andrew was present when that was done with the commissioners. So there'd be a designated vehicle just to respond to an incident at this site. I imagine they could use it for other purposes as well. And that would be good if they could do that. Because the better they could use it, better for them. But certainly the vehicle that they want is what they'll now be able to purchase. Okay. I think my question was, there's no other compensation for the town in case of this type of. I think it's just the nature of fire districts online. They're all volunteer. There's not really much we can do in that regard. It's just a function of how they're established. I'm just asking because I don't think anybody has an idea out here in case something like that happens. Understood. I can add to that if you'd like. We addressed this in the codes. Two of the three incidents, one in Warwick, New York, and the other one up in Jefferson County, which is Schmunt, New York upstate by the Canada border. I responded to both of those and they were all volunteer fire service people. They took a defensive action and actually did the right thing during that particular time. We talked afterwards and we knew that we were going to actually fortify the codes at that particular time. We sat down and we asked them what they would need. They understood that they would still be there running the incident. They're the incident commander. But they didn't want to have that. They didn't want to wait there later on. Sometimes when they do fail, if there is a fire that takes place, it may go dormant for a while but it could come back to life. So they didn't want to sit on there for watching this thing. This is exactly why we put this SME hazard support group together to take over on that handoff so this way they wouldn't be tied up watching this thing wondering if it's going to go back on fire. Thank you. [transcription gap] One more quick question. Has any one of these ever been built so close to the railroad tracks where vibration would be an issue? It has? No. That's a great question. There is one in Corona, Queens. It's right next to the subway. It's a small facility. I think it's about five megawatts. Sometimes buildings as they age, with the vibration from the trains. I mean, we've got trains. We've got trains. [transcription gap] I mean, we don't have that much train traffic out here, but still. They do have to abide by the, in the fire code, the seismic. So they do have to abide by that. And the battery energy source systems are tested to seismic. So that's all taken into consideration? It is taken into consideration as per the fire code. And like Gus said, there's one literally 10 feet away from a train on Loyola Railroad in Queens. Corona? That's right. Okay. So these store these? These are the batteries that are stored in the battery packs. So it sits strictly on concrete, not on any type of spring system? No. It's on concrete slabs. Strictly on concrete slabs. You can have them on grade as well. That really depends on the geotech. Okay. On your drawing, what is that box that's in the corner? That's a transformer. That's how you step up the voltage from the site's voltage, from the power conversion. To about 34.5. 34.5. [transcription gap] 34.5. [transcription gap] to about 34.5 kV, and then it goes through the main transformer that stuffs up the voltage up to 138 kV to match the voltage within the substation. And so is this a gradual thing, or is everything going to be—do you have to gradually get all of the power, or is it instantaneous? I see that there's a number of sight drawings, or what do we call them? The battery blocks. Yeah. This all will be built at once, and then when it operates, you're essentially storing energy on a duration basis. So it takes two hours to charge and two hours to discharge the system. But each one of them, each one will be manned—not manned, charged? That's right. That's right. At the same time? That's right. Oh, okay. So you can think of this whole system as being a water tank or a water tower. Fill it up when there's excess energy or excess water, when there's a drought. Well, I'm just thinking that you've got to fill it first, all right? That's right. That's right. Do you guys plan to take any of the electric from the solar panels across the street? We operate on a transmission level. So we buy and sell our energy. We have a lot of energy on a transmission level, and that's on a different level. So we work with the New York ISO on buying and selling of power. Okay. But in the future, you don't know? Ultimately, this becomes a complementary system for wind and solar. So the idea behind, or the notion behind battery storage right now, the focus is resiliency and transmission fortification by installing these systems to boost the transmission system on Long Island. But as wind and solar becomes more prevalent, then what you do is you're essentially levelizing that non-baseload production of energy. You don't know when the sun's going to shine, when the wind's going to blow. There's a lot of volatility in production. You come in and you levelize that using battery storage. Okay. All right. Anything else, gentlemen? Okay. Thank you for watching. Thank you very much. Thank you. [transcription gap] Thanks again. Happy Easter. Same to you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Matt.

Losing my memory. Happy Easter, everyone. Same to you.

Okay, discussion item number four, 1080-1120, Old Country Road facade renovations with Marissa.

Marissa, don't be nervous. Nice to meet you.

If everyone who's here can introduce themselves. Jacqueline Peranto, principal owner of Key Civil Engineering. I'm the site engineer for the project. I'm TJ McKeever. I'm a project manager for Bricksmore Property Group in honor of this property. I'm a construction project manager. Frankie Campione, principal with the architects. What's your first name? I'm sorry. Frankie Campione. Thank you. Introduce yourself. Marissa. Marissa Donowski. Site plan reviewer. Yeah. All right, what do you got, Marissa? So, the planning for it. We received a site plan application entitled 1080-1120 Old Country Road facade changes. It's for the property located at 1080 Old Country Road, also known as Suffolk County Tax Act number 600-108-3-18. The site plan application is seeking approval to perform the exterior modification of the site plan. So, we're going to be doing a lot of work on that. So, we're going to be doing a lot of work on that. We're going to be doing a lot of work on that. that includes facade improvements to an existing multi-tenant commercial building within the ronal plaza shopping center some of you also might know it as the old tj max space the proposed alterations will utilize the existing entry doors curbing and walkways and it's to provide an additional two uh two front door entrances with a new um ada curving to the existing retail space um and then also there is a side exit door they are looking to replace that um with a metal staircase uh metal staircase and railing and redo the door um

the a little bit information about the site um it is a approximately 75 000 um square feet um all multi-tenant retail uh building there's also a approximate 12 000 square foot building um where the chase bank is and then there is another approximate 12 000 square foot detached building and that is currently where cvs is um um route 50 um and it is in within the shop uh shopping center zoning

is the facility going to be paved yes so it's currently in it's currently improved uh paved um and then the exterior facade of like the curbing i mean like the actual asphalt surface are they repaving this site oh no that is not being proposed currently um

so the proposed uh concrete walkways and curvings um are to be ada compliant modifications for this facade improvements entail uh new paint stucco and concrete finishes um to the existing sore front and then additional um two proposed storefronts as well um the new doors and windows are to replace like and kind of the existing storefront and create the additional spaces um

and then like i said before um the existing um exterior exit on located on the northwest side of the building is to be uh removed and replaced with the metal stairs and railings so you'll have clear head lights so you'll have clear head lights so you'll have clear head lights [transcription gap] are currently too high than the maximum permitted. So we noticed that while doing the review, we looked over the whole site and noticed that they are way above, and we were looking to make the parcel into the... Dark sky compliant? Yes, correct. Thank you. Which the height is usually 16 feet from level ground, is the highest point is 16 feet. Also as well, the property currently shows areas of landscape islands and locations throughout the site, but it was noted throughout the site that some of the landscape locations, some plantings and other places were bare. So we are asking just for a little bit of like a, a facelift, so to speak, an update, just adding a little bit more plants to the landscape areas.

How about some of these curved areas that look like they need repair? Are you going to be fixing those? So... I'm going to be happy with it. Yeah. Okay. You're more than welcome to, if you wanted to answer his question regarding the curving. Sure. So generally the project is just consisting of taking the one large TJ Maxx tenant and breaking it into three separate retail tenants. So no change in use retail to retail. And in doing so, adding in the new doors and storefront and providing ADA ramps in front of those doors. So we are look... We did look at all the handicap parking that's in front and make sure that the, you know, there's some new signage to bring them back. So we're looking at the current code compliance for the parking stalls that front the tenant space. And then the ramps and sidewalk. So within that area, there'll be some new curving. But throughout the entire shopping center, our intent was not to, you know, go through the entire shopping center and repair various, you know... We didn't walk the entire center. We're focusing strictly on this end cap. Well, I just noticed that in the project report. Okay. So... Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. Okay. that would be able to survive there. So we can send our landscape architect out to the site and take a look at all these areas and then propose some plant material to fill in some of the gaps. Potentially, it's also the timing year where a lot of the perennials are not yet blooming, so it's possible that within a couple of weeks we'll start to see a little bit more plant material pop up. Let's hope so. The one clarification that I wanted to make on the landscaping is that I don't want to as-built every plant and shrub that exists in the shopping center. That's quite an arduous task, but we are happy to do an inventory and then identify additional plant material to be added. That would be acceptable. Yeah, further in this effort report, I did note something of that nature. I also just wanted to state that we did bring this to the Architectural Review Board in regards to the facade improvements, and it was at the March 12th, March 26th meeting. The board requested additional information as the proposed project is currently the one, I would say, the northwest section of the building, and I believe the ARB requested to see what it would look like overall for the whole building itself as they were just mainly focusing on one section, but they wanted to see how it would work with everything. The architect's here with us, and they did email me this morning an updated set of elevations, so we will formally resubmit that back so ARB can look at it. Would you be able to put it up on the camera just so everyone can see? Oh, look at that. It's across two pages.

There we go. All right. So you're just handling the left portion. Yeah, TJ Maxx. So we just wanted to figure out a way to bring new businesses in, and that's by breaking it up into three new tenant spaces. It doesn't look like you're changing the front elevations very much at all, and that shopping center was renovated not too long ago, if I remember correctly. Yep, yeah, TJ Maxx expanded recently. We changed the roof a number of years ago. The facade changes here are really just giving increased, more of a presence to the two tenants we're adding, and then the tenant fashion deals to the left, that's actually work that's proposed and performed by the tenant that's going to be taking that space, which I think the building department just recently submitted an application for. Yep. The other thing that, in my opinion, is drastically needed, because I go to this plaza quite a bit, is trash receptacles in front of both buildings, permanent trash receptacles with some kind of plan to maintain them, because it's very... It's really bad after this. Garbage and paper is blowing around constantly there, if you could look into that. And if you bring it up to, you know, bring the plaza into dark sky lighting, I'm happy. I just wanted to mention about the lighting, because when I brought it up to TJ, he was surprised. There's, back in 2019, they had hired a consultant to do a lighting upgrade, I guess, in being aware of the coaching back then. Unfortunately, the consultant had just replaced all of it. So, we're going to have to go back and put in the proper LED 3000K color lights, but maintain them at the existing full height. So, height is really the issue here. We are going to look at a lighting plan to bring those down, but we're dropping it significantly to 16 feet. And in a large shopping center like this, you know, we don't have residences around us or nearby. There's a apartment complex back, and those lights between the complex and you are out of control. Long and rough. Walmart did it. In the back of the center. Yeah, off the building. It's really bad. Take a look at it at night. Walmart did it. They have no light, you know, no up lighting off their lights. It can be done. And some of those big lights in the back, if you don't want to change them out, you can turn them off. But that parking area that you guys have is one of the biggest abusers in town. And the law has been codified many years ago. I know because I helped draft it. Yeah, they were trying to go back through the history to understand what happened because it sounds like they were trying to do the right thing back then. Yeah, and it was sunset for, 15 years. And you're still not in compliance. So we have to have to work on that. And just so I know and can report this back to my higher ups. So it's mostly that you've noticed the light poles along the property line or the building? The lighting. The lighting. Both. In the entirety. If you go by there at night, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Okay. The lighting is, and if you go out on Sound Avenue, you can see the glow, you know, from your parking field. So the fixtures that you do, you know, that have the LED lights that they were switched out, the poles themselves I think are almost 30 feet, which is well in excess of the maximum 16 foot. And then the other lights that are in compliance are, they're not downward facing. They don't meet, like Ed said, the building mounted fixtures are way too bright. So we understand, you know, you were coming in for facade work, but you know, Marissa correctly noted in her staff report that this is an issue that needs to be fixed. Okay. So we're going to have to work on that. Okay. So we're going to have to work on that. Okay. So we're going to have to work on that. [transcription gap] And we try to do that as applications come in. Yeah, yeah. Understood. And I think TJ was asking if there's, so if the plans are, you know, if we submit the drawings for the approval of the board to show all of that lighting, is there any way that the planning department can work with them in terms of the installation of it and performing the work? Or will like the CO, can the site CO be pulled a little separately from the tenant interior? And then the tenant interior renovation work so they can, so that the tenants can continue with filing applications to building and doing it? We've had applications like this before. And we tend to want to keep them all together in one project, not separate them out like that. Well, I mean it is one project from the eyes of my company, being that it's the three tenant spaces that we're breaking it up into. And, you know, I want to give the town whatever leverage it needs to enforce and I will echo the sentiment that you guys are giving me here today to the people who can make these things happen in my company. So we want to comply. We want to get there and have it comply. I can tell you that currently my mandate and my project budget can't support finishing it right at this moment, but I want to be able to, I want it to happen. My thought, and Jackie was kind of alluding to this, is that maybe a CO for the middle tenant space or, you know, one of the tenant spaces being tied to complying to that dark sky compliance regulation. Yeah, unfortunately the law for dark skies I think was passed in 2005. Yeah, and it sunsetted in 2017. Until 2017. So it's, the board usually takes the strong position that it's a condition of approval that has to be met prior to CO. It's not our opinion that we want it to happen. CO being the sign off of the facade. Yeah. I mean, we've gone so far on other applications we've done prior to the signature of like, prior to the signature of the plans, because otherwise we're just kicking this can down the road. Yeah, down the road. To the chairman's point, when the code was adopted, they gave applicants and commercial property owners 10 years to comply, saying that it could be done in 10% increments so that you're not going to have a huge up and up cost, but now we're nearly 20 years down the road. Yeah. We're so clear about that. We're clear about that. [transcription gap] the front doesn't if those heads that are in the front if the heads comply with dark skies does the front have to be changed as well even though the height doesn't meet your current ordinance yeah that's right so it's 16 feet to the lowest light admitting portion of the fixture that's the maximum height and then 3,000 kilometers so it's not necessarily a dark skies it's a dark it's it's really the way to say it it's the code I mean the option would be to go to the Board of Zoning Appeals for a height which I presume would not be looked favorite I mean if Home Depot is looking to do the same thing yeah they are gonna be coming in with compliant lighting yeah so just so you were we've had other applicants that have changed the heads and just cut the poles yes staple shopping center you know I we under it's what's gonna happen is when that happens you're gonna get dark spots you're gonna have to add additional poles and lights to fill in the blanks and it's not always so easy as just you know because of the spacing of 60-foot drive I you know bays between parking it's not gonna be so easy to just pluck one where you want it and it might end up being a whole new thing but there's some lease commitments with raw you know you've received the application already from Ross so you're aware that they're moving quickly and they need to get in there and it's a new presence for them on Long Island so there's a lease commitment which is TJ's concern of being able to meet with that one tenant so you know again that's why we're just trying to think of a way to you know can that one tenant you know be able to continue to move forward and you know the other tenants and facade work be held you know because we understand we understand where and you have done you know neither of us were part of the decision made by the company and we want to comply and you know yeah yeah you know we want to comply I just would love to figure out a way that it doesn't hold up really just really just a little bit of time and I think that's a really good way to do it. so you're clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so clear so Because they're eager to open this year. Unfortunately, it leaves us in a position where we lose the ability to enforce. This is the hook, essentially. I also have a lease commitment with the dark lettering on the right side, which is a boot farm, which I also hope to open this year. And I have a lease commitment with them. I mean, if we get tied to that in some way, I believe that will light a fire under the people of Brixmore that can make these decisions to allow this to happen. Just for a consistency standpoint, that's what we're going to do. Unfortunately. I mean, I don't want to speak for the board, the board can opine otherwise, but we like to be consistent. We really haven't done it for anybody else. We're trying to get everybody to comply. It's been 20 years that people could have bought their properties under compliance. But we want to help you. We're not going to hold you up or anything. Like that. But you have to comply to the town code. Maybe you should submit a schedule. Yeah. A schedule for the lighting. With the lighting. I'm going to submit a lighting plan that would show lights, photometrics, you know, call out the make and model. All of that. Yep. And then also my only comment, just because I liaise with the ARB, I know they had asked for a full elevation of the facade with color. Just so we can see the context of the changes to what the existing is. That's what the right side is now. So we're not changing anything else. So it's going to remain the different color? The left side with the three new tenants are currently the currently the design ends at the edge of the TJ Maxx and the former TJ Maxx. Right. We're accommodating the new fashion tenant that's coming on the left side as well as the right and worked with them on colors that both associate with their branding because they're new to Long Island. As you know, they're new to Long Island. You know, but then not too much contrast with the rest of the shopping center. As opposed to them being white or something like that.

So if we were to if we were to take the existing poles that we have at the center, lower them down to comply to the height restriction, make sure the heads are compliant. Then until I can get those new. Poles at the new locations, then we're we're noncompliant in terms of the amount of lighting required at the site. So and and for the Ross on the end, I know I have a lighting requirement. We sent them our our existing photometric plan, which will no longer be accurate. Do you live locally or no? I would say I grew up in Stony Brook. I live in Mignola now. You really should do a site visit. Yeah. It's different in the daytime. I can do that. Yeah. I think you're asking the opposite. Right. If you if you were to if we were to lower the heads now to make everything that's existing compliant, would that allow us to even though he has a requirement with this? What's that? Go on. Yeah. I'll talk with you. Yeah. Because we're going to create we're going to create a different issue. Right. We're going to cut the lights down. So we bring the lights down. We're going to be too dark. But if it's a timing issue, we get the lights cut down. Before the end of the day, you know, it's going to be too dark. There's maybe it's a good point. We'll run the photo metrics first. Our assumption is if they're 30 feet high now and we're yeah, and I have a whole lot of half that will have dark spots. We may maybe maybe in general might meet the requirement. We'll run the photo metrics and see if we're going to help. If you guys have creative ideas, let us know. But my my creative idea was just more of a phasing question. If we were to get those lights cut down. I don't say as soon as we can because we don't want it to be too dark too long while we then engineer the additional lighting that's required. Would we at least meet the requirement of the town? I don't think that I'm sorry. I don't I don't think the concern is engineering it. I think the concern is constructing it. Right. So I think I think the time that it's going to take to hear back from the other departments that we're waiting on my office will be putting together the lighting plan and the landscape plan and addressing these comments. And we'll make a decision. Another reason. There you go. And hopefully be back before the board for a final approval very shortly. OK. I think once we have that final approval, it's enacting it in the field and constructing it is what the challenge that TJ has. Yeah. From a budget standpoint. That's right. And making that happen in a timely fashion. I think. That sounds like the fastest way to get to John. You know, there used to be a lot of lead time with electrical equipment, but I think we're I think they're fairly. Yeah. I think these lights are fairly accessible. And I think that's a good thing. [transcription gap] Yeah. I just have one more ask on this project. If you look at this picture here, one of them's up there. If you look at the doors with the numbers that are the occupancies on there for each one, it's they're attached to the door and it really should be either fixed to the transom above it or on a solid wall. Because if a door is open and say the police had to respond to in a certain address, they may not see that address. So at least if it's if it's fixed attached, you know, right above the doorway or on a wall alongside the doorway, it's always out. It's always there. And doors have a tendency to break and get replaced. And then the numbers always don't go back up on them. There's a lot of stores throughout the town where there are no numbers. And like you say, it's a team. It's the old T.J. Max. Yeah. You have people going to the other T.J. Max without an address. Yeah. So with the new doors that you put in, if you can make that a point to. Yeah. Yeah. I don't see that being a problem. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You're good? Good, guys? I'm good. So I just have for following for the project that we wanted to get some revised plans showing the obviously the planning board certification box to so that we can have them once it's good to go. We can get everything signed off. And then to another. Another one is to amend the plans to show the COVID-19 lighting and including the mounting heights and the fixtures just to get everything up to code as we just all talked about. And then as well, we were at the planning department was asking for a landscape plan of the parcel showing the landscaped areas and the calculations that include the existing and proposed planning locations with a planning schedule. Yeah. 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Yes, mr. DeNiro. Mr. Bear. Yes, and I vote yes to motion carries Well, I'll move resolution 2025 Well, 032 grant second and final Extension for the preliminary site plan of Long Island cauliflower Association second Moving in second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes, mr. DeNiro. Hi, mr. Bear. Yes, and I vote aye the motion carries I'll move resolution number 2025 033 dry spec out spec yo Manufacturers outlet Senate resolution granting a second and final six-month extension for a preliminary site plan approval Second move in second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes, mr. DeNiro. Hi, mr. Bear Yes, and I vote aye the motion carries. I just want to make You want to that we table the resolution number? 034 middle country road polar They're putting a roof canopy on the over the gas pumps there and their other gas station has On the canopy is a peaked roof and that whole corridor around 25 every building has a peaked roof on it and I would just think it would Match the rest of the buildings going along that that rural corridor there by having some type of a peaked roof So it matches the other existing Boulder State so head head head head head and all the other commercial buildings that are on 25? I would be opposed to tabling it, but I'm not opposed to adding it to the resolution. Okay. If Greg feels that's... So I did speak with Member Hogan about this, and we did look at the BOLA further east on Middle Country Road over by the charter school out there. It's not a full peaked roof. It's kind of like a hip roof on it. But, now, I mean, the structure is a lot closer to the roadway than the one at BOLA Edwards is. I'm not opposed to it. This has not been something that's been discussed with the applicant. So, I mean, we can put it as a condition. I don't know if you'd rather have a discussion with the applicant and inform them. No, I don't want to hold them up. We can include it, and if they're that much opposed to it, then we can, you know, rediscuss it. But John has a good idea, and I want to congratulate BOLA. Their projects, their trucks, everything. A number one. So we want everything that's going to be in Riverhead to be A number one. So thank you, John. So if that's the case, then I would recommend... Amend it? I don't know if we want to table. I don't know how we want to correct that. I wouldn't recommend tabling it. I would recommend amending condition number one. It says prior to the issuance of a building permit, the site plan shall be signed by the planning board chairman. Prior to the signature of the plans, the plan shall be revised as follows. I would recommend adding letter D. The plans shall be revised to show a hip roof on the canopy structures in a form approved by the planning board. That way, before you sign a plan, we'll just have a quick follow-up resolution. This way we get them going, but we still get a better looking project. Yep. Good. All right, so I'll read the resolution with the amendment. All right. 2025-034. 4129 Middle Country Road. BOLA Market. Canopy. Canopy and site improvement. Result of granting administrative site approval of the site plan application seeking to construct a canopy with amendments. Is that okay? Yes. All right, so moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. An aye vote, aye. The motion carries. I move resolution 2025-035. B.C. Cresta State. Slot number three. Resolution approving a grading and drainage plan for a single-fam residence proposed on lot number three. Second. Cresta State. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. An aye vote, aye. The motion carries.

Resolution number 2025-036. Cresta State. Slot number four. Resolution approving the grading and drainage plan for a single-fam residence proposed on lot number three. B.C. Cresta State. Slot number four. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. An aye vote, aye. The motion carries. Okay. Public comments on all matters? Any takers? Nothing important to say? Okay. Greg, we have a secret action? Yeah, I believe that's the E.C. Battery application. Just commenced the secret coordination. All right. Do we have to move that or is it? No. [transcription gap] No. No. No. Okay. Town board, yes. On meeting minutes. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Baer. Aye. Second. Moved and second. Second. Moved by head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head just commence the secret coordination. All right. Do we have to move that? No. Okay. So I'll be putting the town as lead agency. Okay. Meeting minutes. I'll move the minutes of March 20th, 2025. Second. Moved and seconded, Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. Nero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. I vote aye. Minutes carry. Any other business staff? No. Correspondents? Everything's good? Earth Day is next Friday, if anybody cares. What is it? Earth Day is next Friday. So we're not going to talk about AstroTurf. Our next meeting is Thursday, May 1st at 6 p.m. Motion to close? Motion to close. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Have a nice weekend, everybody. Good job. Happy Easter. Thank you.