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Thank you. [transcription gap] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, thank you. We have no public hearings tonight, so we're going to go right into our four discussion items. Number one with Matt Charters, 840 Old Country Road site plan. Tell us what you got, Matt. Sure. I'll invite the applicant representatives to come up to the table. Wherever you are. I can get you more chairs. We don't have contact with this.
Last slide. Thanks. Yep. All right. So we have a site plan. Application. It's 840 Old Country Road. This seeks approval for a 6060 square foot addition to an existing commercial building. Its current use is a used car dealership. This also involves a change of use to an adult retail cannabis dispensary. It's the first one that's requiring site plan review in the town. They do have location approval from the town pursuant to the cannabis code. Okay. Matt, before we go on, can we get everybody's names? Yeah. Sorry. Jump on ahead. Can you top us? Great. I'm Grace Bamack, Law Office of Vincent Tremarco Sr. for the applicant. Michael Rubenstein, architect. Thank you. Okay. Back to the report. So it's a 6060 square foot addition to an existing about 8,388 square foot commercial building. In terms of SICRA, this is an unlisted action. I did note that we do have a provision in our code for more than 50 parking spaces, making it a type 1. So in this case, there's 75. So there's 75 spaces already on site. So he's actually reducing his required parking. So we're not exceeding that threshold. He's just reconfiguring to the required parking, which is 58. In terms of location, this is largely a commercial area. Across the street there's a gas station on two corners. And then an existing multi-tenant retail and medical com park, I would say, to the east. In terms of plans, I have a copy of the site plan on the page. Okay. Pretty straightforward. Page 2 of the report gives us a nice aerial. So we're seeing a good amount of cleanup to the site. On to page 3, this fully complies with the BC's Union Use District in terms of setbacks and lock coverage. And as I mentioned before, this complies with Article LTZ of the Town Code, which is the cannabis regulations. Just so this board understands how it works, an applicant submits what's called a notice to a municipality. That's a state form that they file in the town clerk's office that's required by the MRT Act. So that's the state-level cannabis law. The town then has 30 days to respond to that notice to say, to provide an opinion to OCM, which is the Office of Cannabis Management, to give an opinion on how it does or does not conform to the Town Code, since we've opted into this. The applicant has done that, and then we issued an opinion letter on March 17th with a clarification on March 24th, just for the license number. So we're very happy to say that this does fully conform to the cannabis code in terms of all the distance requirements that are listed in our code. Stalls 10x20s? All of them are 10x20 except for the handicap stalls, which I called out in the plan that need to be revised. So those need to be 10x20 with the required van adjacent width area. In terms of landscaping, we're getting a lot of landscaping back on this site. If you're familiar, it currently has car display areas in the front yard. Those are all coming out. So if you see on this plan, which is up on the screen, we're getting street trees all across 58 and up Ostrander. The applicant's going to utilize the existing curb cut that's on County Route 58, and then the curb cut that's on Ostrander Avenue is actually going to go get pushed further to the north, which is further away from the light, so it'll probably function better than the existing condition, which is closer. It actually has 34.9% landscaping, where only 5% for the total parcel is required. And then they have also revised their plan during the process of review to include a 35-foot buffer, which is required in this zone within the front yard. So that's here. So if you know now, this is just sort of cut out, and there's parking here, so all the parking is coming out of the front, and this is going to be nice and planned. And then we're going to have a lot of stuff along the roadway. In terms of revisions that we need to the landscaping plan, just that the trees should be 3.5 inches caliper. They're a little small, so we just want a more substantial tree that'll last longer, but the species are good. He's doing sweet gum, red cedar, inkberry, and dogwood. Those are all native plants, which is always better. As far as the trees go, I see you have on either side of the exits and entrances, you just maintain it so there's visibility for people, you know, exiting. Yeah, so this is subject to DPW's review, so anything that's within their right-of-way, they get to review. We haven't got comments back yet. It takes them usually a little while to get back, but if they need to move stuff around, typically on something like this, where there's existing access, they'll say, you know, revise your curb cuts to have the correct handicapped slope. Maybe put warning strips where you're crossing the sidewalks, improve the sidewalk, and there may or may not be an impact fee. But these are the typical comments we're seeing on stuff that has an existing curb cut. But they may say, you know, move the tree further away, but I don't really see an impact the way it is now. In terms of ADA parking stalls, they comply with the code, and they have three indicated. As I said before, they have to revise to show them in the correct size. In terms of access, I kind of went through that already. Two-way onto Route 58, same thing on Ostrander. We're also going to ask for cross-access to the parcel to the east, which will allow people to get to the east. And then, you know, to that site or then to the light on Ostrander. I noticed that there's off-street parking, or on-street parking allowed. Is that, was that the fee with the... On-street parking is where? Ostrander. It's been there for years. Not on 58. Ostrander, right, you know where the second curb cut is? Yeah. And that curb cut down... Oh, you can park on the street? Yeah. Believe it or not, before that as well. Nobody ever parked there because it's an accident waiting to happen. Yeah, I'd say so. Yeah, well, I would think so. It shouldn't be necessary because they have a button to park it. Yeah, there's a button to park it. There would be no reason to park on the side street. Yeah, it's gotten referred to the Highway Department because it's a town road. Haven't heard back from Mike, but we can bring that up and maybe if he has a concern or not, whether there should be parking or not, but the town board would have to change that. After lighting, looks mostly good. They do need to revise the color temperature of their bulbs. They're at 4,000 degrees Kelvin. They need to be 3,000. Dumpster location complies with the code. So the addition to this building is it's metal and gray with a standing seam metal roof. It hasn't gone to the ARB. It'll go to the ARB on the 28th. That's the next meeting. So ahead of the public hearing, if it gets scheduled today, we should have comments from the ARB if they want any changes. Water district advised the building serve via one-inch service. It'll need an RVZ. In terms of the sewer district, this is not within the sewer district. All the parcels around it are. If you recall, there's a sewer easement now that goes across the front of this property to serve the shopping and medical center that's here. The applicant will have to do a map and plan. I have spoken to the sewer district superintendent. Doesn't really see an issue. They just have to work with each one to get that done. There's sewer in front. There's sewer in front. They just have to access it. Access it. And then I believe there's actually pipe in Ostrander as well. So when the hospital came in, they said, when the hospital came in for all their improvements, I believe it loops around. Not knowing exactly that, but they'll need to connect and petition to get within the sewer district. Is there any product use indoors? Not allowed to be. Not allowed to be. That's a state law. So if you sell, it has to be prepackaged and cannot consume on site if you're a dispensary. And that's within our code as well. So the way the state works, you can either be an adult use dispensary or, sorry, an adult use dispensary. Okay. Sorry. An adult use on site consumption lounge or an adult use dispensary. You cannot be both. So either you're buying product to consume on site or you're selling, which everything has to be prepackaged. To my knowledge, there's not even a mechanism within the state law to get an on site consumption lounge at this point in time. It seems like it's a difficult process and the state really hasn't arrived on how to do that. Okay. Matt, what would be the hours of operation? Is there a standard? It's limited in the code. I don't remember off the top of my head, but it's different for weeknights and weekdays, but it's called out specifically. I just don't recall. I think on weekends it's not past midnight and I think weekdays it's 10. But I can clarify. Town engineer, we did get revised comments. They're largely the same. He did pull out the color temperature for the lights. The only thing that did come off originally he had that this required a SWPPP. That was based on the information he had. So that's a standard. Okay. So that was based on the information that the applicant gave us. The level of disturbance is below one acre, so they won't need a SWPPP. Fire marshal, official comments are pending, but I did review this with the chief fire marshal this afternoon. They're a little understaffed. They're down a fire marshal right now, but he looked. They have a fire marshal plan that shows conformance with the fire code. He meets with the fire district once a month to review site plans that are within the Riverhead Fire District, and that meeting is happening Tuesday. But he doesn't see anything offhand that draws any attention to it. It's been referred to the Planning Commission. We're awaiting comments. And it's also gone to DPW as discussed, and we're awaiting comments from them as well. I have two resolutions prepared, one for NEDEC and a second to schedule a public hearing for the first meeting in June. Knowing that it's understood that we're waiting for more comments. We have a three-week period between meetings instead of two. And then we do not have a second meeting in June because of the Juneteenth holiday. Yeah, so we want to, you know, the application's complete from staff's perspective, so I think it's important to continue to process it and let the public be heard. What are the proposed hours of operation in this? I honestly don't know. Well, it's our understanding that the hours are, as Matt said, specific in the code. You will go strictly by the code. Yeah. I believe it can't be past 10. But I can clarify. I'll send you the section. It calls it out based on what type of use is happening and the day of the week also. Is there anything that can be considered like hazardous waste? Because I look there, you have a dumpster back there. I'm assuming it's for cartons and things like that. When they come in for their building permit application, they have to submit a waste control plan. And they have the order management control plan and the security plan. That's all part of the code that they have to meet before they get to the building permit application. But I mean, is there things that you dispose of that would be considered hazardous? Not to my knowledge. No? No. What about cross-easement? Yeah. As mentioned before, we're going to ask for it in the back here to line up right in this area so they... With dumpsters? Yeah. If we need to move the dumpster location, we could probably do that and shift some parking around this way. It'll connect and get to the light. Have you spoken to the neighbor? We have an easement on the neighboring property. Oh, okay. And we're going to find out exactly where it is. So we know where it is. Yeah. It's on this property line. I just want to make sure it's in the right place. Yeah. Because we're going to use it for the sewer thrush. Yeah. You'll lose one or two parking stations. Yeah. And that is... Yeah. We can move some stuff around. Any other questions? Gentlemen? No. Not at this time. No. It's new for this board. It's not that new for the town. I guess it's a new use. You know, we might get some extra use. Yeah. So, I mean, it's a new use. It's a new use. [transcription gap] But there's a lot of extra, you know, people coming out. But retail, I'm permitted. All right. We're going to move on to our next discussion item. You have two resolutions on. If you want to wait and hear them voting, you're welcome. Thank you. You're welcome. Mr. Chairman, I can give the hours of operation real quick. Sure. Thanks. So Monday through Thursday is 9 to 8 p.m. Friday-Saturday is 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. and Sunday is 12 noon to 9 p.m. Okay. Thank you. Clarify? Thank you. [transcription gap] Alright moving on to item number two BJ's gas station with Marissa Donowski. What do you got Marissa? Hello, how are you guys? Doing good.
This is one I'm happy to see up here. Waiting for this for a while.
Hello. Um. Hello. For the record Marissa Donowski site plan reviewer. Today we are talking about the planning department has received a review to site plan application for the BJ's gas station. Which is located at 841 Old Country Road. Also known as Suffolk County tax map number 600-104-2-3.3. The site plan application is. Seeking approval to perform some minor site modifications. They include the removal and reconstruction of curbing. Modify the paving markings. Just to modify the traffic circulation patterns. In for that current existing gas station parcel. The current. The site is currently. Point 66 acres. So it's a pretty small parcel. And it's in within the business center. Zoning use district. It's currently improved. And it's minor exterior. Maintenance. To help the traffic circulation wise. Everything else wise. Like the use is going to stay the same. So. With that. We are going to move on to the next item. Which is the ! The [transcription gap] The Zones. Zones. They're looking to eliminate part of the landscaped area. It's to help the traffic pattern just to get everybody, usually right now what the problem is is that that's kind of like a choke hold point so to speak. So the cars don't really know where to go. With that, they're proposing to remove that area so that it can help the functionality a little bit more and push the cars in to know that they can go towards the north area to use those gas pump stations. With that also, they are looking to eliminate the landscaped area. Same on Ostranders Avenue side, just more towards the north. Again, for the traffic purposes. They believe that that will help also with drivers. Also, there are proposed traffic drums. They are both the north and south side of the property. The ones on the south side are to eliminate the confusion with the drivers. As some people decide, once they're done pumping their gas, they like to go out. and try to Exactly they tried you turn around to go head south on Ostrander Avenue With that it is causing a lot of traffic congestion. So they're looking to eliminate that by Making the point of egress either be the north or the west side and Then there's also the traffic drums that are on the north side of the property. They're looking to Close that entrance from Route 58 Again due to the congestion with the traffic patterns to help Mitigate the risk we just get everybody's names at the table, please. Oh, sir Christopher Kent from Farrell Fritz. I represent BJ's also club Jeff Black site development manager with BJ's Chris does I know are no mention
That was pretty much it in regards. There's no there's no entrance of 58 Correct. We're gonna propose the drums to close the entrance right of 58 and we're gonna bring everyone on to Ostrander to use this south entrance So that now it's going to create a more free-flowing Traffic circulation so that you can only go one way into the station You enter the pumps and you leave that one way also, but no longer going to create differing traffic traffic circulation so people will get jumbled but you'll still be able to exit Yeah, you'll still be able to exit up here and you could exit up here So I do I just kind of want to jump in real quick You know, this was one of the first projects I worked on it was like back in 2016 when I was a young whippersnapper Obviously, so there what happens at the site like like Marissa said that southern entrance on Ostrander becomes a choke point That's where I get my gas. I see it all the time People pull in they sort of sit there with their mouth open and wait for the first two pumps when they're you know The six pumps to the north are free So the intention here is to one eliminate the conflicting traffic movements between people trying to exit through there provide a wider opening to allow more room for people to enter the site without creating that choke point and just sort of One direction traffic flow now the there will take it there will be a little learning curve that I think the public will need to sort of accept I Think this could be done probably they can put some informational signage on the gas pumps The thought is if you're looking to head east on 58 you're gonna Continue through the site utilize that exit on 58 and eastbound onto 58 if you're looking to head westbound You'll utilize the northern egress on Ostrander to hit the light and go left onto 58 the biggest change that will need to kind of be learned by the members using the gas station will be if you're looking to head southbound on Ostrander, you're gonna have to go out on exit 58 there is a Kind of a driveway behind the Firestone parking lot So you'll go out on the 58 make a right behind Firestone, and then you can exit out to Ostrander Again, it'll take a little bit of learning curve But I think once people get the hang of it it will really free up that congestion that happens on Ostrander We did also referred the application to the highway department one of the recommendations from the highway superintendent was to install some striping on the northbound lane on Ostrander at that egg at the entrance to the BJ's gas station kind of like a do not block the box the thought is that again when that traffic is backed up northbound on Ostrander leave that as a gap so that people heading southbound can enter the gas station and allow traffic to move freely that's a good idea are they just gonna stripe it or they're actually gonna make the box because the box works a little bit better sometimes than striping does I mean it'll it'll it'll it'll have to be painted I mean there there's municipal you know traffic control device standards for that striping so that'll be striped to the you know to the accepted engineering standards and we did also look at I would recommend and it's in the rest of staff report requiring a future cross-access on that southeast leg of the property there's the ability to facilitate I would I would only recommend it being a one-way egress out to go behind the Firestone and back out to Ostrander we wouldn't want people coming in that way but doing a future cross-access obviously we can't compel that neighboring property owner to the east to construct the cross-access at this point but if they come in down the road for any type of site plan we would capture that at that point and then that would just eliminate people going on to 58 to come back to Ostrander. What about on Ostrander Avenue going south that's that's seems to be where the line will where people will have to actually queue up to get in? Well so the the real the real choke point happens it's I've never so so it's essentially when by pulling this curb back you free up this opening and then especially by getting rid of the conflicting traffic movements and making it an entrance only it's even more free so now instead of somebody coming in and being tight to the south curb line and going right to the east it's a little bit more free. Right to the first or second pump it it really gives them more of an incentive to move into the site clear off of the roadway feed the pumps higher up and then I know it says six pumps we could add it and then by creating the painting don't block the box it will stop vehicles back here and then all these vehicles that are heading south on Ostrander have the freedom to come in instead of stacking up towards the light. So truly what we're doing is we're trying to get people to come in and get in and get out of the way. So it's really gonna free up everything open it up and increase the traffic flow through the station. Especially with this area being removed it's gonna help the vehicles go up further north so that less people are on the road causing that traffic block line. It creates a little more queue area and space to stack the cars. So there'll be a lot more room for stacking. Yeah a lot more room for stacking. The ease of that curb angle now. Will help encourage people to go further north. And they usually have an attendant or two that helps circulate. So I'm sure after a while they can probably eliminate those people but you know when people get used to it. Yeah. As Matt pointed out. Yeah it'll be a little bit of a learning curve. This has been needed for some time. It's a mess over there sometimes. There will be some directional signs added on site. Yeah. So I think we might also put one right there when you're entering that something to the effect of use two lanes to wait for pump. Yeah. We'll come up with something. That way you'll come in and we could probably propose some good directional signs that'll help traffic circulate. Quick question Marisa. After you fill up everything exits to the north is that correct? No more to the south? Correct. Yep. Everybody would head. It would be north either onto 58 or you can head west. You still would head north but then you could head west to go out. To the traffic circle. Yes. So no more entrance off of 58. Correct. That's only right turn only then? Yes. Yes. Okay. Both of them are right turn only. Yep. And like Chris said we can work on signage. You know it can be clear on that eastern property line when people are getting in their car to leave the pumps. It can be made clear you know one way pointing to the left. Again it may take a little learning curve but I feel like addressing that choke point at the south end of the property will really that's where the problem is. Yeah. The signage I had as in the staff report as one of the recommendations from the staff. It was including it says signage throughout the property to help the drivers understand traffic patterns on the parcel. Specifically on the east side of the property a sign indicating exit to Ostrander through Firestone. So on this side. When they're leaving so that they understand if they want to go to Ostrander that they would have to exit onto 58 and go near the Firestone building to come around. Okay. And then another one notifying drivers to not block the entryway for with the proper signage. So the same for right here. But also any other signage that would help with the problems of the new directional pattern that we're trying to create. Also other recommendations were the directional pavement arrows pointing towards the south to be removed from the pavement areas to help with the traffic. Okay. And then the other one was the directional pavement areas to mitigate the confusion of drivers. Yep. So that they understand that that is now a only entrance and that they cannot use that as a exit. The we also noted that the landscaped area near the North Ostrander Avenue curb cut. So this one. We were recommending. To. This area may be encouraged to. Yeah. To try to keep that. Because the removal of this may encourage drivers to try to come in. So we were trying to maintain that area to let them know that that is a one way egress only and to head back onto Route 58. The straight box which we've already talked about in front of Ostrander Avenue. And just to show the 12 foot feature cross access on the property. To serve as egress only. Have you thought about how this is going to impact deliveries as far as the tractor trailer is coming in. Do they deliver during business hours or after hours? They could deliver it at any time of the day. It's always a scheduled delivery but it could be during the day. So now they're going to have to come down Ostrander or up Ostrander to gain access to the, to make a delivery. They won't be able to come in off of 58. I don't think you can't. I mean the traffic drums on the 58 entrance are there. It's likely that the vehicles are already coming in from the Ostrander entrance. But those traffic drums on the south side of the property. They're movable. So if they get a delivery. The parking lot, the parking attendant can move those. They can fill up on the east side of the property and head out to 58. So you don't think it's going to. I don't think that would affect the delivery schedule. Is there a space for the attendant? Yeah. There's three parking stalls right down here. Okay. And there's a kiosk in the middle. Yeah, the kiosk is in the middle. Anything else guys? I'm good. Good. You guys good? Yep. Alrighty. Good luck. Thank you. Thanks guys. Moving right along. Thanks Marissa. Item number three, Pendleston's Harvest Moon, LLC Farm Stand. With Greg. Thank you. 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no far the proposed farm stand is before for it figure two in this one or two of these look like I don't know they're gonna get a little TLC yeah the boards yeah you said that the parking between the two farm buildings yeah so essentially this gravel driveway area there's no real formal parking delineated but again based on you know like Jocelyn said this is not like a destination it's not like you know Bayview Market where it's a large farm stand where people are going and perusing you know the all the products I mean it's pretty straightforward selling meat and eggs I would envision you know. Are there going to be signs on the road? Probably one eventually. yeah because it's it's far back so yes people really have to look right you need signs yeah so you need a sign but again I would imagine it's something you know like she said kind of low intensity where people are coming up buying some meat and eggs. Oh yeah. and leaving there's not really not really like a shopping experience or a you know significant destination but the event I mean if the farm stand or the farm operation sort of expand there's plenty of area if they needed to expand and create additional parking but you know based on the little 10 by 14 shed for frozen meat and some eggs I don't really right now at this point picture the need to sort of expand any parking areas. But a driveway is going to be directional one way in one the other way out so cars aren't going to be able to get in and out of the parking area. So you're saying that the parking area is going to be a little bit more of a little bit more of a ! common nose to nose like the East driveway and West driveway to exit or? I think we had our you know sort of anticipated use of the gravel driveway we do because we we own the farmland in conjunction with it we do have this is our roadway as well which goes out to Sound Avenue so that could be an option if this became. So you're saying it would be a two-way street? Two-way access? You mean in the gravel driveway? Yeah. I mean it's. Because if that's the case then you know in the worst case scenario you have two excursions one going in and one going out there's not enough room for them to pass each other so we either you designate one road in and one road out or widen the one road if you're going to make that one. Just yes. Main way in and out. This is basically just a little dispensary building I'm sure you have. Yeah. In one of your other buildings you have a lot more you can as you sell you go and replace and it's open the door come in and. Right. Take what you want and then. And then head out. Is it going to be staff? By me. When I'm not working. Yeah. We have no other employees it's just the two of us and our kids are going to be working on the parking area. So I think you know when we're home it'll be available for people to come in maybe by appointment if necessary and then when we're you know it's not going to be open full time. We don't anticipate at this point. I assume you have you have clients already that use. We do we sell at the Riverhead Farmers Market and the area markets around. Are you allowed to butcher your own meat? No. Where do you have to go for that? We go to a USDA facility in Massachusetts. Oh God. I know. Wow. Yeah. It's about an hour from the ferry so. What kind of meat do you sell? We raise pasture raised lamb. We do all of the breeding and the lambing. We do everything everything that we can there to you know produce local meat for the community but we can't do the butchering. Yeah. On the land. That's ridiculous. Do you have to bring the animals to the. Yes. Live? Yes. Yep. That's something that Farm Bureau should be working on. Get a facility on Long Island. So beyond that I did refer to the Ag Advisory Committee. I believe they're meeting this week to discuss it. I do have a resolution to approve it subject to the Ag Advisory Committee's review. I just don't know if the board wants to address the based on the sort of low impact nature of the Ag Advisory Committee. I don't know. 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Thank you. Now, this one strangely has no staff member's name under it. Hmm. Item number four, National Grid Facility Upgrades.
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Can you just zoom out a little bit, Justin? Thank you. Yep. Nope. Thank you. All right. So, the planning board has before it a site plan application seeking to perform improvements at an existing national grid facility located at 8 Mill Road. It's east side of Mill Road, just north of West Main Street. It's an existing national grid facility. They have a special permit also pending with the town board. They are looking to demolish existing buildings on the site. They're going to construct a new access driveway on Mill Road and create parking spaces for a total of 24 compressed natural gas trucks as well as installing related natural gas distribution and collection equipment. They're going to demolish two major buildings on the site and a couple of other smaller little utility sheds. The purpose of this site is during the coldest days of the winter months. They will bring in natural gas. [transcription gap] They will bring in natural gas from out of state. And essentially what this site is going to do is they supplement the existing natural gas system to ensure that customers in the area have natural gas. This site's only anticipated to be used, again, on the coldest days when it gets like below 20 where there's a real peak demand for natural gas. They will not be trucks there parked all the time. Because it says there could be room for 24 trucks. So, again, during the cold days, you know, national grid, there were issues several years ago. They were looking to get additional pipeline and additional capacity out to, you know, Suffolk County. Obviously, just the politics of the natural gas business didn't allow that. There was a moratorium. So this is a sort of stopgap measure during the peak periods. There will not be trucks parked there all the time. They will only be used during the peak periods. So for deliveries to the site, there will be a large truck, I guess? Well, sorry. So there will be. There could be up to 24 trucks. It's not necessarily, we don't want to think of it in terms of deliveries. These are trucks that are brought in. They'll look at the weather forecast. If they see that it's going to drop below a certain temperature, they will bring trucks, I believe they said, from Pennsylvania. They're sort of staged temporarily. And it's just used to supplement the system on those cold days. So it's not a delivery, so to speak. It's really like temporary on demand. To supplement. So it's not a transfer station. They're not transferring natural gas from in the ground into the trucks and then bringing it to where they have to go. No. These trucks come with gas, supplement. They basically inject additional supply into the existing national grid supply system. And they'll go out wherever it's needed. Then they'll all go to the system. Yeah. Once it's in the system, it's in the system. But again, this is just used to, when there's demand, they want to make sure that their customers have heat. They can cook. They can heat their homes. Have hot water. Sure. The town board did review this. We spoke about it at the work session a couple of weeks last week. They did issue for the special permit, they issued a negative declaration. There's no significant negative environmental impacts anticipated. We do have a public hearing for the town board special permit scheduled for May 21st. There's a couple of issues that I brought up with the town board. The southern end of this property, the southern 30 feet, there's actually a right of way, which serves as access to the eastern property here, which is a landlocked parcel. I did make the recommendation that we should explore relocating that right of way. I had sort of envisioned it maybe tying into their existing driveway. Just because if you look at figure two in the staff report, the location of that right of way. It's kind of like right in the middle of the Mill Road, West Main Street intersection. It's sort of not controlled by any of the signals or any of the traffic control devices at that intersection. At this time, National Grid can't facilitate that. They have existing infrastructure and regulatory equipment that's located in their front yard. But they did say that within the next several years, they're going to be coming in to upgrade this facility. I guess this facility is from like the 40s or the 50s. A lot of old anti-tank equipment. I don't know. [transcription gap] I don't know. [transcription gap] So while it's not a feasible request for them to entertain at this time, they did leave the option open that we can revisit that down the road. Again, that would only really come into play if at any time this property to the east is developed. I could just see that being sort of a... That's your figure two? Figure two, yeah. That red box on figure two is the location of the right of way. So you can see their existing driveway and how that right of way is directly... Yeah. Yeah. You know, adjacent to it. Again, if there was ever any type of development, that property behind it is zoned light industrial, so there could be some type of use there. Yeah. I could just picture that being a little bit tricky with the traffic. So National Grid did say that they can revisit that at a later date, but due to the existing regulatory equipment up there, it's not really feasible. So Greg, that right of way is actually owned by National Grid? So that right... Yes. That right of way is on the National Grid property. I saw that. And it serves the... It's in the title report. It's to the benefit of the lands to the east. Beyond that, pretty straightforward with the site plan. They do propose exterior lighting. Right now, it does not comply. They're showing 20-foot mounting height and 5,000-degree Kelvin. They do need to revise that. I did speak with them. They have no problems addressing the lighting. We spoke with the fire marshal, referred the plans to the fire marshal. They just had comments regarding... There's an existing... Access card-controlled gate. Fire marshal just needs basically access to that in the event of an emergency. There is an existing hydrant on Mill Road. Right now, they're going to relocate that fire hydrant because right now, it's right in the middle of their proposed driveway. They're talking to the River and Water District. They're likely just going to move it just north of that existing driveway. It is a town fire hydrant, so the Water District will have to perform that work. It will remain a town hydrant. Highway Department Superintendent reviewed the plans. He actually just repaved Mill Road, so he's looking for... And the road opening permit, repaving curb-to-curb on Mill Road and that section in connection with any highway work permits. The application does not require review of the Planning Commission. And although it is located in the New York State DEC Wild Scenic Recreational Rivers area, there is no permit required for this proposed.
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like shacks, but the one building on Figure 4 looks like it might have a problem in demolition. Oh, they're aware of that. I mean, they're going to need, if there's any, you know, again, these buildings are probably from the 40s or 50s, so any type of asbestos abatement will be reviewed. You know, they'll have a licensed professional design abatement plan. There is water to one of the existing buildings. There likely is an existing septic system. I did note that they're going to have to abandon that in accordance with Suffolk County Department of Health Services. They'll need approval for that. But yeah, there's definitely electric and there's definitely water on the site. Is there going to be any kind of landscaping done, like to dress it up a little bit or make it so the visibility is good? So there's no landscaping, again, because they've got regulatory equipment. You know, there's pipes and all sorts of stuff in this area. You know, I mean, the site's pretty set back when you drive past it. It's kind of tough to notice the most of the yard is obscured. I think it's Nine Brothers Building Supplies located right there. So there's really not much to screen there. No, and they maintain it. Yeah, I mean, I think like if we wanted them to throw up a couple of trees here, I don't think they'd have an issue as long as it doesn't interfere with any of their regulatory equipment. Yeah, exactly. So if we had 24 trucks, how many gallons of compressed gas might we have? How many gallons in each one of those trucks? I'm thinking. What was the number? The fire department's comments. So the fire department, they were doing this type of, they had much smaller scale infrastructure here that was temporarily used. This goes back several years. One of the prior fire marshals was aware of it. They had consulted with the fire district and the fire department. They didn't seem to have any concern of that. Again, I don't know the, again, assuming there was a full 24 trucks. I can get that information. But again, the fire marshals comments. While there is. Again, and because it's not a compressed natural gas storage facility. He didn't really seem to have much of an issue with the temporary nature of it. And again, the fire department is aware of it. So is there going to be some sort of emergency on site if there were a problem? So these. Okay. So. Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. [transcription gap] a Knox box that would give them access. Emergency access for the fire department can be achieved in a number of ways. And the site actually has a gate, of course. Correct. Yeah, I mean, right now it's obviously only accessible to National Grid employees. They have an RFID card. But again, there could be a keypad with pre-programmed codes for any type of first responder or emergency access. So I'm assuming there's going to be a pipe and there's going to be 24 connections, so if we back one of the trucks in, we hook up, we empty, and we go. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, again, strictly the temporary nature of the business. They've stated that they've only anticipated this thing to be used maybe a handful of times during the winter. I thought I saw in here where they were going to there's two buildings that they're tearing down. That is correct. But I thought there was something in here that's doing something to another building. Did I? So forgive, these are the redacted plans for the public. There are energy and infrastructure requirements of federal regulations that they don't want to show critical energy infrastructure. But there's one building on this plan which is identified as the compressor building. Right. And this building, which is the office building. Those two buildings. Those two buildings are going to come down. There's an existing, it's basically like a steel utility shed. That building is shown in figure six. So those are going to be removed. Site will be regraded. Put down some crushed stone. Okay. So right now, no action needed by the board on this application. The applicant does have, like I said, a public hearing scheduled before the town board for the special permit. That'll happen. That'll happen next week. Upon approval of the special permit by the town board, this board could grant an administrative approval. I mean, again, there's not really much to it. Will they need to provide a hot box for the cross-connection control? You mean an RPZ? The water service. RPZ? Yeah.
I will inquire that question with the water district. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that's going to happen. It's going to come up during the health department review of the abandonment of the existing septic. If they need a hot box, usually commercial applications. Inquire it. I will inquire and get more information on that from the water district. Okay. Everybody good? Yep. Okay. All right. Thank you. Good job. Let's move right into resolutions. I'll move resolutions. No, we're going to get comments. Comments. Comments. Anybody on resolutions? Oh, I'm sorry. Thanks, Joe. Public comments on any resolution? Don't all get up at once. Okay. Now we're going to call for resolutions. Okay. I'll move resolution 2025, day show 43, Dries Spicio Manufacturers Outlet Center, granting final site plan approval. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. Aye. Mr. Baer? Aye. [transcription gap] The motion carries. I'll move resolution number 2025, 044, grants farmland approval for Pendleton Half Moon Harvest Moon LLC Farms. Second. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. I'll move resolution number 2025, 045, Akira House of Worship, also known as the House of Worship, as Cox Place of Worship, resolution granted preliminary site plan approval for the site plan application seeking to convert an existing single family dwelling into a place of worship. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Resolution 2025, 046, 840 Old Country Road, resolution clarifying an action as unlisted and issues a negative declaration pursuant to SICRA. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. I'll move resolution 2025, 047, to schedule a public hearing for 840 Old Country Road. So moved. Second. Second motion. What's the date of that public hearing? June 5th. Okay. June 5th public hearing. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries, 4-1. I move resolution number 2025, 048, 1107 Old Country Road, resolution grant and final site plan approval for a site plan application entitled 1107 Old Country Road. Second. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNero? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Public comments on all matters. All right. I'll move the minutes of April 17, 2025. So I'll move it. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Nay. No. Nay. I never got it. Okay. So you're... Nay. Okay. So all in favor, aye. Four. All against? No. Just me. Okay. So 4-1 on the minutes. Okay. Seeker, anything correct? Nothing. Okay. So I'm going to move the minutes. All in favor? Aye. All against? Aye. Aye. Second. [transcription gap] Thank you.