June 5, 2025 — Planning Board

Planning Board Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
0:30[transcription gap]
2:02Pledge of Allegiance.
2:02Thank you.
2:04Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
2:08and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God,
2:13indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
2:18Okay.
2:19Thank you.
2:21We have three public hearings tonight.
2:24Matt, I'm going to call you up to help us out with Gouda LLC, please.
2:27You got it.
2:28Thank you.
2:28For the record, Matt Chard, Senior Planner.
2:30For the town of Riverhead, I will start by reading the public hearing notice into the record.
2:35Please take notice that a public hearing will be held before the planning board of the town of Riverhead
2:39at the Riverhead Town Hall for West 2nd Street, Riverhead, New York,
2:42on Thursday, the 5th day of June 2025 at 6 o'clock p.m.
2:45to consider the site plan application entitled Gouda LLC,
2:48which seeks approval to construct a 1,359-square-foot office building
2:53with on-site parking and other related site improvements
2:55within a 13,617-square-foot vacant parcel
2:59with a 13,617-square-foot vacant parcel
3:00located within the business center zoning use district
3:02situated at 365 Harrison Avenue, Riverhead,
3:06more particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Map Number 600-102-3-4.1.
3:12If the board sees, the site plan is up on our screen here.
3:15It's pretty simple to understand.
3:17One way in, one way out off of Harrison Avenue.
3:20This application did require relief from the Zoning Board of Appeals
3:24to have a 5-foot side yard setback
3:25and a 25-foot buffer where 35 feet is required along 58th
3:29and 58th in the front yard, which was granted by the ZBA.
3:32At last week's ARB meeting, their elevations were approved.
3:36Other than that, I have the applicant here.
3:38If the board has any questions or members of the public.
3:41Thank you, Matt.
3:42Anybody from the public would like to speak?
3:47Good evening, Mr. Densetsky and members of the board.
3:52I'm Adam Grossman.
3:53I'm the attorney for the applicant this evening.
3:56And my client is here as well.
3:58And in any case,
3:59you can see from the site plan this is an unusual shaped lot.
4:03There are some challenges, but my client has tried as best he could
4:08to be as conscientious as possible in terms
4:11of where the primary structure is located
4:14and where parking is located so as to minimize any impact
4:19on adjacent property owners.
4:21I do also just want to mention that there was a letter submitted
4:25by one of the adjacent property owners, Richard Israel,
4:29who owns the Taco Bell next door.
4:32So he had a few comments.
4:34But basically, I'm here with my client to say that if you have any concerns
4:40about any aspect of the site plan that we can address, we're glad to do so.
4:45So we welcome questions.
4:48Thank you, Counselor.
4:49Okay.
4:49Was there any problem with any of the questions that he posed to you?
4:53Or are you satisfied?
4:59I think in terms of what he, the issues that he raised,
5:07the fencing, that was addressed by the Zoning Board of Appeals.
5:11So that was actually a condition of the variance.
5:13And I think he was, he's concerned.
5:17I'm looking at his letter.
5:18The letter is dated May 30th.
5:19He's asking, I think it's important
5:23that the applicant remove all the trees and existing vegetation
5:26within the five feet along the westerly line.
5:29I don't know.
5:29If we have a problem with that.
5:31Is that, that's acceptable.
5:33He's also, he also mentioned, and he also mentioned the existing trees along the,
5:39his parking lot should be being, my client's parking lot should be removed
5:43to make clearance for his curb and light poles,
5:46which I think we're fine with as well.
5:49So as to the dumpster, I'm not even sure if my client's going to need a dumpster.
5:54I know it's on the site plan.
5:56But he's not even sure if it's something that's going
5:59to be necessary.
5:59I think it's going to be necessary for the use of the building.
6:02However, if we want to, you know, move it to a different location,
6:07basically what he's suggesting that is the neighbor suggests
6:11that it would match the building if it were of a different material.
6:14The dumpster, he's referring to the dumpster enclosure made
6:18of cement block, which is great.
6:21There is some text that suggests that it would match the building,
6:24which is a different material.
6:25Please have the applicant define the materials and exact location of the dumpster.
6:29I believe that's indicated on the survey where it's currently located.
6:34But like I said, I'm not sure if it's necessarily going to be needed at all.
6:38So basically.
6:40David M. Keep the garbage?
6:42You're not going to generate any garbage?
6:44David M. Well, it's just I don't know
6:45if we're going to need a dumpster for the garbage.
6:47Is that correct?
6:48David M. Yeah.
6:50And we can also screen whatever there is in terms of garbage removal.
6:57Whatever ends up being there.
6:59Maybe something much smaller than a dumpster would be screened
7:02with a chain link fence.
7:05And I'm just trying to see if there was anything else.
7:08The plan should also show the county dedication line that exists
7:11for all developed properties along Old Country Road.
7:15The Taco Bell parcel, which is the adjacent property owner's parcel,
7:18has a 15-foot offer of dedication to the county.
7:22And if the planning board wants us to do that, we certainly can do that.
7:27And that's it.
7:28But we're really not.
7:31I think that the adjacent property owner brings up reasonable issues that we're absolutely
7:35willing to address.
7:36Thank you.
7:37David M. Okay.
7:38Matt, the 15-foot, is that by law?
7:41Matt Lowrie Yeah.
7:43So typically the county always asks for that.
7:47I'm not sure that DPAW actually referenced it in their comments.
7:50It might have happened already because this property used to be owned by the county.
7:53David M. Oh, okay.
7:54Matt Lowrie But if it's needed, DPAW will call it out.
7:55David M. Okay.
7:56Thank you.
7:57Thank you.
7:58Matt Lowrie Thank you.
7:59Matt Lowrie Any other speakers?
8:00Adam, did you want to add something else?
8:01Adam L. No.
8:02I just wanted to mention if any members of the Board have any concerns that you'd like
8:08the applicant to address, we're happy to listen to whatever concerns you have and address
8:13them.
8:14Matt Lowrie Okay.
8:15Thank you very much.
8:16Adam L. I'll move we close the public hearing.
8:17Second?
8:18Matt Lowrie Moved and seconded.
8:19Mr. Zelnicki.
8:20Zelnicki What about Zoom?
8:21Sorry.
8:22Matt Lowrie I'm sorry?
8:23Zelnicki Zoom?
8:24Adam L. Anybody on Zoom?
8:25Matt Lowrie Oh, I'm sorry.
8:26Zelnicki We do have people on Zoom.
8:27I don't know if anyone wants to speak.
8:28Mr. Zelnicki Okay.
8:29If you're watching from home and you want to speak, raise your hand so Heather can see
8:33you on the screen.
8:36Mr. Zelnicki Hello.
8:44[transcription gap]
8:58Okay.
9:02Zoom them out.
9:03All right.
9:04The motion's been moved and seconded.
9:06Mr. Zelnicki?
9:06Yes.
9:07Mr. Hogan?
9:07Yes.
9:08Mr. DeNiro?
9:09Aye.
9:09Mr. Baer?
9:10Yes.
9:10And I vote aye.
9:11The motion's carried.
9:12Very good.
9:13Thank you all.
9:14We appreciate it.
9:15Okay.
9:16Moving on to number two.
9:17Sandy Pond Links, LLC Clubhouse, Trade Shops, and Managers Residence.
9:23Greg's not here, so Matt's going to help us out again.
9:25Got it.
9:26Okay.
9:26Please take notice that a public hearing will be held before the Planning Board of the Town of Riverhead
9:29at the Riverhead Town Hall, 4 West 2nd Street, Riverhead, New York, on Thursday, the 5th day of June, 2025,
9:34at 6 o'clock p.m., to consider the site plan application of Sandy Pond Links, LLC,
9:39seeking to construct a plus or minus 3,100 square foot clubhouse with covered porches
9:44as accessory to an existing nine-hole executive golf course and an 18-hole mini golf course,
9:50construct a plus or minus 1,040 square foot property manager residence,
9:54and three 7,200 square foot property managers,
9:56along with parking areas, landscaping, lighting, and related site improvements
10:01on a parcel of land located at 1521 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, New York,
10:06within the Residence B40, RB40 Zoning Use District,
10:10and more particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Map number 600-82-1-12.1.
10:16And I do have the applicant's attorney, Kimberly Judd, here.
10:19If the board has any questions about this, the site plan is up on the screen.
10:24Thank you, Matt.
10:25Yep.
10:25Thank you.
10:25Thank you.
10:26Anybody like to speak on this application?
10:32Anybody on Zoom, Heather?
10:34No one with their hand raised.
10:38Okay.
10:39Kim, do you have the plans?
10:41I'm just wondering if you and Brian ever will go to consider the other entrance,
10:47commercial entrance on the south side of the property.
10:49Yes.
10:49Good evening.
10:50Kimberly Judd, 737 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, for the applicant.
10:53We did, and we were waiting to see if there was going to be a plan for the site.
10:56So, I'm just wondering if there was going to be anybody at the public hearing who was
10:59unhappy with that.
11:02But, my client is willing to do that second entrance if that's the board's feeling on
11:10Okay.
11:11Because when I met with Brian, the berm will stay.
11:14And there are trees planted there already.
11:17Maybe just add a couple more trees so the neighbors would not see that.
11:22Is it Brian Starkey?
11:23Okay.
11:24Did you want to speak, Brian?
11:26Good evening.
11:27Brian Stark.
11:28I'm an applicant.
11:29I spoke to the neighbors and I spoke to Eddie about we'd like to do one entrance.
11:40Because I think it's better for us.
11:43And I think it's better for the roadway to have one entrance.
11:47The whole storage facility will be secure.
11:49I know there was discussion about if that use was going to be.
11:55An attractive nuisance for the kids who were playing golf.
11:58It's our opinion that we like the site plan we have with one entrance.
12:02And we'll screen it.
12:04The second entrance might have been a problem with some of the neighbors.
12:08So that's why I think one is better.
12:11So that's my belief.
12:13That we should stick with the one.
12:14And if we just have to screen.
12:16And do other things.
12:17But to be clear.
12:19That whole storage facility will be gated.
12:22Lit.
12:23Secure.
12:24So I'd rather stick with one entrance on Roanoke Avenue.
12:27But you're still going to have a second entrance to the house.
12:30Yeah.
12:31And that will be just for one house up against the south side.
12:38That will only.
12:39That won't access the storage facility.
12:44With the storage facility over there.
12:46I believe.
12:47I can't see it from here.
12:48But on the drawing.
12:49They had tractor trailers.
12:51Is that what you're anticipating?
12:52Having.
12:54Tractor trailer.
12:55Well.
12:56The prior use.
12:57That we're retaining.
12:58Is basically trade shops.
13:00So what was in there before.
13:03Was definitely not tractor trailers.
13:05It would be small tradesmen.
13:08So I don't know any.
13:11Small tradesmen that have tractor trailers.
13:14I thought on one of the drawings that it had.
13:15Like a tractor trailer drawn in.
13:16I didn't know if that's what you were anticipating having in there or not.
13:21Well.
13:22I think.
13:23I think it's a little bit drawn in.
13:24Just so we know we have turning radiuses and things like that.
13:26If occasionally you have a guy in there.
13:28But the intent is not to have any kind of tractor trailer traffic on a regular basis.
13:37Trade shops are typically smaller.
13:38I think the intent there was if you got a delivery from FedEx and they used a small
13:43trailer.
13:44You know.
13:45I mean.
13:46You can't stop that.
13:47It's just a quick delivery.
13:48Right.
13:49You know.
13:50Nothing that's going to be in and out constantly.
13:51Yeah.
13:52I mean.
13:53You want to have freedom of movement there.
13:54You know.
13:55With the back.
13:56Because all the loading stuff will be in the back.
13:57Okay.
13:58Got you.
13:59Any other questions?
14:01I'm good.
14:02All right.
14:03Moved and seconded.
14:04Mr. Zelnicki.
14:05Thank you.
14:06Mr. Hogan.
14:07Yes.
14:08Mr. Nenarro.
14:09Aye.
14:10Mr. Baer.
14:11Yes.
14:12And I vote aye.
14:13The motion carries.
14:14Okay.
14:15Moving on to number three.
14:16840 Old Country Road.
14:17With Matt.
14:18I'm like a handsome man alive.
14:19I'm a handsome man alive.
14:20[transcription gap]
14:22Okay.
14:23Last but not least.
14:52for use auto sales and will include the reconfiguration of on-site parking
14:56access as well as a change of use to an adult use retail cannabis dispensary
15:00with related site improvements within a 1.806 acre improved parcel located
15:05within the business center BC zoning use district situate at 840 old country road
15:10within the town of overhead more particularly identified as Suffolk
15:13County tax prep number 600-82-3-9.1 does the application need any zoning
15:22relief it does not and I do have the applicants representatives here and the
15:28owner if you have any questions site plans on the screen the board can see
15:32they're reconfiguring the front so we're getting our 35 foot buffer along old
15:36country road and they're moving the curb cut that's on Ostrander Osborne I always
15:41get them mixed up Ostrander further to the north how far are they from the
15:46school from the Riverhead high school more than the 1,000 foot buffer
15:51report
15:52so I'll head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
15:53head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
16:00head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
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16:21head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
16:21over 55 community.
16:23There are four over 55 communities.
16:26We've had problems with break-ins to cars already.
16:30Bringing something like this where you have nothing
16:33but elderly people and you also have the Timothy Hill Ranch,
16:37which is for children of not best circumstances.
16:42You know, you're providing this.
16:43And you're right next to the hospital.
16:45How ridiculous.
16:47I'm a nurse.
16:48I'm a retired nurse, but I think it's the worst thing
16:50in the world.
16:51Nobody starts out using cocaine or crack.
16:54They start off with marijuana.
16:56So, Riverhead was written up last year as one
16:58of the best places to live on the New York Times.
17:01Now we're going to have to have an addendum.
17:03It's one of the best places to get your drugs.
17:07Nobody in the communities are happy about this.
17:10And I'm the only one who's annoyed enough to come here.
17:13But, you know, we could get a whole petition going
17:16because it's not fair.
17:17It's not to us that we moved here.
17:20We want to be in the world.
17:20We want to be in the world.
17:21We want to be in a safe community.
17:22And you're inviting problems.
17:25There's already two places to get your marijuana.
17:28I hate the smell.
17:30So, there's that huge one on Old Country Road.
17:33And then there's a medical.
17:34How many do we need?
17:35Does Riverhead now have to be known as the place for drugs?
17:40Come on.
17:43So, thank you for listening to me.
17:45But I'm not happy.
17:47Thank you very much.
17:48Appreciate it.
17:48And I think it's going to cause a lot of issues with,
17:50you know, there's going to be problems.
17:51You're going to have traffic because you're going
17:53to have Old Country Road.
17:53You're going to turn Ostrander, which is a one lane each way.
17:56You have gas stations.
17:57You have, you know, another business there.
18:00You're going to have, there's going to be problems.
18:03It's on the corner.
18:04The other one on Old Country Road is on a straightaway.
18:07People want to turn in.
18:08This is on a corner.
18:09There's two gas stations.
18:11It's going to be a mess.
18:12You're going to have traffic.
18:14You're going to have more accidents.
18:15And we have an elderly population
18:17that drive down these roads.
18:19Do we really need to expose them?
18:20them to a situation that could be more hazardous to their health.
18:25Thank you. Thank you very much.
18:28Any other speakers? Do we have anybody on Zoom?
18:32We have people on Zoom, but no one who wants to speak at this point.
18:37Okay. Gentlemen, any questions?
18:39I say we close the public hearing.
18:42Matt, is there a
18:45how far from residence is there a footage
18:49from a residential? This property does have location approval from the town.
18:53Just so this board knows, when a marijuana application comes into the town, they have to submit
18:57what's called a notice of municipality through the town's clerk's office. It gets routed to the
19:01planning department to make sure it conforms to our code. That process has already happened.
19:05In terms of distance from residence, it's normally a
19:091,000 foot buffer requirement, but there's an exception in the code for commercial
19:13corridors. So there's commercial corridor 1, 2, 3, and 4.
19:18Commercial corridor 1
19:19is on 25A in Waiting River, starting at the town line, going to where it joins
19:2325. Corridor 2 is continuing there. It's 25 until you get
19:27about to 58. Corridor 3 is Route 58, where this property is located.
19:324 is on 105, east of 105
19:35on 25, I believe, until Tuttle's. And 5 is from
19:39Tuttle's until you reach the town line. So if you have frontage on and direct vehicular
19:43access to a corridor, you do not have to comply with the 1,000
19:47foot buffer from a resident.
19:49Okay.
19:49A little long-winded, but I think I got your question.
19:52Second question. If this is approved across the street or any place within 1,000 feet,
20:00you can't put a child care or anything like that? You can't now? An applicant can't put?
20:09I don't know. I'd want to rely maybe on the town attorney's office for that, being that
20:13this use is here. There's a separation distance requirement. I don't know if someone else could
20:18choose to develop a child care facility and be less than 1,000 feet. It's hard to say. But our
20:24distance requirements are to establish one of these businesses from what you're buffering from,
20:29if that makes sense.
20:30Oh, okay.
20:30There's a...
20:30People may regulate the location of the child care facility.
20:35Yeah.
20:36And that would come into play when they wanted to come.
20:39Yeah.
20:39So that's one of those things.
20:41Yeah. So if Dawn didn't get picked up, the state has its own regulations, which also dictate distances from those sort of uses.
20:48So they might preempt.
20:50Okay.
20:52Anybody else?
20:53Thank you. I think you moved it, George?
20:55Yeah, I moved to close the public hearing.
20:58Moved and seconded. Let's have a vote, please. Mr. Zelnicki?
21:01Yes.
21:01Mr. Hogan?
21:02Yes.
21:02Mr. DeNiro?
21:03Aye.
21:03Mr. Baer?
21:04Yes.
21:04And I vote aye.
21:06Motion's carried.
21:08Okay. Let's go right into discussion items. We have one item. Osborne Residence, Chapter 219 at 2705 Roanoke Avenue.
21:17With help?
21:18Heather.
21:27Good evening, everyone.
21:34And we have Mr. Cuddy here for the applicant. For the record, Heather Trojanowski, planner for the town of Riverhead.
21:48How you doing, Mr. Cuddy?
21:50Thank you. This is Mr. Madigan, who's the architect.
21:53Welcome.
21:53What's your name? Sorry.
21:54Sean Madigan.
21:55Thank you.
22:00Okay.
22:01So this is a Chapter 219 application seeking to construct a one-story studio over a full basement and also a two-car detached garage all seaward of the Coastal Ocean Hazard Line.
22:15In addition, the applicant is proposing site alterations, including a new site.
22:19This is a residential area.
22:20This area is going to be used to build a new sanitary system, grading, drainage.
22:25They are going to re-vegetate some disturbed areas.
22:28The subject parcel, more particularly identified, a Suffolk County Tax-It number 600-15-1-1.1 is a 1.13-acre parcel located at 2705 Roanoke Avenue in Riverhead within the Residence 240 Zoning Use District.
22:41I believe that the board is probably familiar with the area.
22:44And I know you live up there.
22:46It's a very peculiar property.
22:47But it's a very unique area.
22:48and that you know the southern portion of the property slopes down from very
22:53high elevation levels out slightly in the area of the driveway that's where
22:57this new construction is being proposed slopes down again and then the existing
23:01dwelling actually sits right on the beach I think at about between elevation
23:05six and seven it's pre-existing benefits from a letter pre-existing use was built
23:10I believe in about 1911 so it's very old in terms of compliance with code
23:18this will need relief from the zoning board of appeals as they are the coastal
23:22erosion hazard Board of Review because the new development is not specifically
23:26permitted under chapter 2 19 to 14 subsection B but I wanted to bring it to
23:32the Planning Board just to you know introduce it to you because if they are
23:36successful at the zoning board they will be back to this board for chapter 2 19
23:40approval I did refer it to Vinnie our consulting engineer with the Rainer
23:45group he sent a memo data
23:48June of this year and he said that he would like to see the zoning board
23:48completed by June 2nd which I circulated to the board and also on the applicant's
23:52attorney he is really just looking for a soil boring to be performed and then he
23:56had a question about the driveway encroachment which in viewing the
24:00property historical files it looks like there was a boundary line agreement you
24:04know I would be happy to have the town attorney's office look over that just to
24:08make sure that any sort of encroachments between the subject parcel and the
24:12parcel to the east are you know all taken care of and there aren't going to
24:15be any issues I also
24:18started the referral process with the New York State DEC because it's unclear
24:22whether the wooden bulkheading lost the line of the house and then it looks like
24:28there's a retaining wall on the western portion of the property for in existence
24:32prior to the title wetlands act of 1977 and I you know corresponded with mr.
24:38Cuddy about submitting a joint application to determine whether they
24:41would need a permit from the DEC or if DEC would issue a letter of no jurisdiction so it's a little bit of a
24:48they haven't gone to DEC that no no no I reached out to DEC just to see you
24:54know what they what would be required I sent them the plans in the application
24:58and they came back with requesting that joint application form be filled out
25:03which I'm assuming mr. Cuddy and or the applicant or the design professional
25:07would take care of I would just ask that I'd be you know either copied on any
25:11correspondence just to be kept in the loop other than that I visited the site
25:18again it's it's a difficult site to develop and I understand why they're
25:23proposing the structures in the spot that they are but the Seaha line is
25:28everything including the new development is c-word of the Seaha line and it's
25:34almost as if they're at one point where two points of inflection but you know
25:39years of erosion and looking at historical surveys it appears that the
25:46top line of the block is about where the driveway sits um and there there is existing vegetation
25:53there are areas of noticeable washout um particularly along the northern end of the
25:59driveway and then also the southern end of the driveway where the property uh steeply slopes
26:04you can see in the pictures in my staff report there's a lot of exposed tree roots and then
26:10just other observations i made there's a bamboo and what appears to be mugwort on the property
26:16i'm sure dec would be very amenable to having those removed and replaced with native species
26:22you know if they're successful with the zoning board and they move on to construction it's
26:25expected that all of this would be removed and the applicant's design professional is proposing
26:30some native species and plantings in those disturbed areas how do you remove bamboo
26:37i mean it's extremely difficult i know from a couple of my neighbors had some
26:44and they actually wound up building retaining wall
26:46stuff yeah there is an existing retaining wall at the end of the driveway um i mean i don't know
26:51if it's like yeah it's a small area um i mean whatever they could do to start removing it i
26:58defer the dec as far as management of invasive species is concerned mugwort is equally as
27:04difficult to remove um just because of the root structure um i was talking with jeff seaman and
27:09it's a it's an extreme nuisance on coastal properties residential properties it's everywhere
27:16you know the longer it's allowed to spread the worse it's going to get it's going to basically
27:20choke out native species that contribute you know positively to the biodiversity and the
27:26ecosystem and also the root mat that stabilizes the bluffs so did they did they do a test board
27:32to see if the septic will work there at that elevation um i think that's what vinnie was
27:39asking um they didn't show it on the proposed plans but it's something that we'll want to see
27:46i don't think we have a boring test but i'll i can confirm
27:52yeah so that's something that i would definitely recommend we also have an engineer who couldn't
27:57come tonight but yeah yes we're working on that okay yeah just verify that it's good and mr cuddy
28:03is this going to be a second uh residence on the property not so ever no i i will explain a minute
28:10when she gets oh okay what we think we're doing okay okay yeah i mean i'm i mean i'm not going to
28:15read through the entire property but i'm not going to read through the entire property but i'm not
28:16going to head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
28:17went in a little deep as far as like the subdivision
28:21and the CNRs.
28:23Obviously it was contemplated at that time
28:25by Planning Commission Planning Board
28:27when the subdivision was approved,
28:30you know, that this was an environmentally sensitive area
28:32and they had notes about like no grading,
28:37no clearing and cutting and vegetation within 50 feet
28:39of the top edge of the bluff.
28:41In addition, the approved subdivision map
28:43actually has like a setback line on it,
28:45a hundred feet from the mean high watermark,
28:49which is just south of where the driveway area is.
28:53But again, like where their building envelope was shown
28:56on the subdivision map is where the property
28:58is most steeply sloped.
29:00So arguably that would probably be more challenging
29:03to try and build something.
29:05If someone were to want to retreat from, you know,
29:09the beach where the house currently sits,
29:11that's usually the goal is to retreat away
29:13from points of erosion
29:15or beach areas.
29:15You know, it would be difficult to develop south
29:20of the driveway.
29:21Nevertheless, it's not permitted by code.
29:24So the decision lies solely with the zoning board.
29:27Okay.
29:30Okay. Just to go over what we think we're doing.
29:34I don't know if you have her report in front of you.
29:36Yes.
29:37But I think page five has a picture
29:39that's worthwhile to look at.
29:41Okay.
29:42So this is the site.
29:45Because it shows the actual parking area.
29:48This is a completely level flat area.
29:51And this is basically the top of the buff.
29:54In other words, it's been done years and years ago.
29:57My client bought the property 30 years ago.
30:00When he bought it, it was like this.
30:02And he said to me, he had been there earlier,
30:05many years earlier, and it's so clear, so clear.
30:08So the area that we're going to work in is going
30:12to be essentially a level area so that we're not under,
30:14so that's clear.
30:14on a slope we're basically on a flat level plane here we're going to put a garage that's 545 square
30:22feet we're going to put a writer's studio and i can go into that a little bit that's going to be
30:29essentially 670 feet it's going to have a basement and this thematic and can explain the reason for
30:35the basement but it's not an accessory apartment whatsoever it has a half bath because it has a
30:41bathroom with a sink in it but doesn't have a shower the person who's a writer lives with
30:48mr osborne in the house just below this she's her name is susan har she's a recognized writer she's
30:57having a play in london in the kingshead theater in july and august so she's that natural writer
31:04it's not just somebody that's come along she's looked to have this place in for quite a while
31:11and as you know there's a section in the code i don't know where it it heads off to but it's a
31:17definition called artist dwelling so i think the town considers this type of thing to be something
31:23appropriate it's not something that unusual um the the entire site as i say has been used over
31:33and over again as a garage without i'm sorry a car place without a garage um mr osborne's
31:41getting older he'd like to have some place he could put his car get it out of the rain
31:46she would like to have this small studio and as i say the studio itself is 600 square feet it's not
31:52a not a big building um we're aware of the covenants that we just heard about but i think
32:01that those covenants really don't apply to this site for two reasons one the site itself has been
32:07there for a long long time and it's been graded so
32:11we're not doing anything that's going to disturb it any more than it's been disturbed over this
32:16period of time and it's really pre-existing it pre-exists the 1983 covenant that was put on
32:24so we we believe it's an appropriate use and and really they're just accessory uses these aren't
32:30this is not a primary building which we probably could do but it would be in the middle of the
32:35slope as she just pointed out so we think this is an appropriate use it's not something that's
32:41going to i don't think destroy any part of the area and we're going to have drainage we're going
32:49to have a septic system that will show that we can put in i think that overall that all he's asking
32:56for is something that most people would expect to have with their house this happens to be in
33:00the coastal roving area but it happens to be an area that's completely level which is really unique
33:07so we hope the board would consider it mr madigan is here and maybe can explain a
33:11little bit to you why we have a basement in the studio yeah so we're i mean because of the
33:19topography um right where this flat area stops we're cantilevering maybe a few feet um four
33:28four and a half feet um underneath that um we have basically we're just using the retaining
33:36the retaining walls that we would have to make or the foundation walls that we would have to make to
33:39build this
33:41um adding the basement i think is just it's using space that was storage created and it's an
33:49unfinished storage with the basement that's the only thing would be used for it um it would meet
33:55the definition of like a seller you know under the building code um it would be more than 50
34:03submerged or whatever so um did you have any questions well this will this studio
34:11um be open all year round are you heat and air conditioning everything it's intended to be yes
34:17conditioned that the the main uh studio area would be conditioned the garage not and the basement
34:24below not so someone could spend a night there hypothetically yes yeah the possibility of that
34:33is small because they now live in the dwelling right down below down below yeah they don't seem
34:39to have too many people i don't know if you've been there or not but i think it's a good idea to
34:41have a lot of people in the building and i think it's a good idea to have a lot of people in the building
34:41to the site but no but i yeah i get to the dwelling it's a big deal yeah yeah you have to go down
34:47steps then you have to go down more steps and more steps and then you get there so the possibility of
34:52having too many people over to this site is pretty small um there's there's a lot of steps there so
34:59the reason for that bathroom is you're writing all all day or whatever you don't have to walk the
35:05you know it's like a five minute walk down there it's pretty long distance but we don't have a
35:11problem covenanting that it's only for this purpose whatsoever and that no one i understand
35:17the thought that possibly could do that but yeah we're trying to avoid that happening by whatever
35:24you would like us to do because i think most of the uh like the the artist villas that you're
35:31referring to i think that was pretty much for downtown riverhead they wanted walkable community
35:36with artists lofts off the top years ago i i have one
35:41so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so
36:11meet the criteria for relief from Chapter 219.
36:16So there's not going to be a kitchen.
36:17The bathroom is just going to be there.
36:19No cooking facilities or anything.
36:21And the basement is probably just going to be like a mechanical room
36:24for the heat and air conditioning and places like that.
36:29Yeah, so outside of the soil boring that we're going to need per Vinny's memo,
36:35is there any other concerns that the board had?
36:38I just have a question.
36:39The owner, you said, is Mr. Osborne?
36:42Yes.
36:43Is that of Osborne Avenue?
36:45Any relation?
36:46Not that I know of.
36:48We'd be on Hitman Auto Body.
36:49I say there are any spouses with a name.
36:50Sometimes Osborne and Snowy.
36:53Yeah, and Hitman Auto Body.
36:56Yeah.
36:59Competitive.
37:01Other than that, the applicant and his attorney,
37:05they've been provided with a denial letter so they can proceed to the zoning board.
37:09We're in the process.
37:09We're doing that.
37:10Okay.
37:11Good luck.
37:12Okay.
37:13Thank you.
37:13Oh, just.
37:15You're going to make applications to the health department as well.
37:17Oh, yeah.
37:18Absolutely.
37:18I had something similar.
37:20The reason I waited, because of the height,
37:25they said there was no jurisdiction.
37:27This is in South Pole with the riverhead.
37:29So I'll find out if they take the same position.
37:32Okay.
37:33Thank you.
37:36All righty.
37:37That's it on discussion items.
37:39Public comments.
37:39On resolutions.
37:40Anybody can speak on resolutions.
37:47I don't see any hands up.
37:49So, gentlemen, if you want to run the resolutions.
37:52I'll move resolution 2025-049, TJOC Real Estate Holdings,
37:58to retain LKMA as a professional consultant to the planning board
38:02to review traffic impact study in connection with the comprehensive developed plan.
38:09For.
38:11A 15.8 acre parcel of land located on the north side of Middle Country Road in Calvertine.
38:16So moved.
38:17Second.
38:18Moved and second.
38:19Mr. Zelnicki.
38:19Yes.
38:20Mr. Hogan.
38:20Yes.
38:21Mr. DeNiro.
38:22Mr. Baer.
38:23Yes.
38:23And I vote yes to motion carries.
38:26I'll move resolution number 5-0, which deems draft environmental impact statement for the site plan and subdivision of TOC Holdings.
38:36Excuse me.
38:37To be inadequate.
38:37To be inadequate.
38:38And says.
38:40Before the planning commission.
38:42Second.
38:43Moved and second.
38:44Mr. Zelnicki.
38:45Yes.
38:45Mr. Hogan.
38:46Yes.
38:47Mr. DeNiro.
38:47Aye.
38:48Mr. Baer.
38:48Yes.
38:49And I vote yes to motion carries.
38:51I'll move resolution number 20-25051, Calvertine Industrial Subdivision.
38:57Issues a positive declaration requiring the preparation of a supplemental environmental impact statement.
39:03So moved.
39:04Second.
39:05Moved and second.
39:06Mr. Zelnicki.
39:06Yes.
39:07Mr. Hogan.
39:07Yes.
39:08Mr. DeNiro.
39:09Aye.
39:09Mr. Becker.
39:09Yes.
39:10And I vote aye.
39:11The motion carries.
39:12Resolution 2025-052, National Grid Facility Upgrades.
39:17Resolution granting administrator site plan approval for a site plan application seeking
39:22to perform improvements on existing national grid facility.
39:26Second.
39:27Moved and second.
39:28Mr. Zelnicki.
39:29Yes.
39:29Mr. Hogan.
39:30Yes.
39:31Mr. DeNiro.
39:31Aye.
39:32Mr. Baer.
39:33Yes.
39:33And I vote aye.
39:34The motion carries.
39:37I'll move resolution.
39:38Hold on one second, George.
39:39Okay.
39:40No, I'm sorry.
39:40Go ahead, sir.
39:412025-052, National Grid Facility Upgrades.
39:42Okay.
39:43No, I'm sorry.
39:44Go ahead, sir.
39:452025-052, National Grid Facility Upgrades.
39:46Susan McCarthy, minor subdivision, granting an extension of the minor subdivision approval.
39:47So moved.
39:48Second.
39:49Moved and second.
39:50Mr. Zelnicki.
39:51Yes.
39:52Mr. Hogan.
39:53Yes.
39:54Mr. DeNiro.
39:55Aye.
39:56Mr. Baer.
39:57Yes.
39:58And I vote aye.
39:59The motion carries.
40:00I'll move.
40:01We have something on jets.
40:02I'll move.
40:03[transcription gap]
40:39granting extension of minor subdivision approval for a minor subdivision application entitled manna lane
40:46uh so moved second moved to second mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear yes and i
40:54brought out a motion carries resolution 20 25 056 malice property minor subdivision resolution
41:01granting two 90-day extensions of a minor subdivision approval for a minor subdivision
41:06application second moved in second mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear yes and i
41:14brought on motion carries um table uh we're gonna make a motion to table i understand from the
41:21department of law that the applicant is not ready so we're gonna table it the second uh somebody
41:28move it i'll move it move move to second mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear
41:35yes and i vote on
41:36the motion carries to table we'll see them in the future
41:41okay okay i'll move resolution number 20 25 058 1080 to 1120 old country road facade improvement
41:50resolution granting administrative approval for the site plan application entitled 1080
41:55uh dash 1120 old country road facade improvements so moved second uh discussion um matt do we know
42:03if uh if the lighting is coming into
42:06compliance
42:09so everyone should have gotten a copy of the amended plans which uh had a lighting schedule
42:15and everything is 3000 kelvin height compliant downward facing um yeah so yeah lighting's coming
42:22in and they're painting both buildings to match and they're adding landscaping to the existing
42:26awesome and they did put trash receptacles all the way around the facility so
42:30so that's all the fine fare fine fare of all that yeah lighting is now okay yeah it's all gonna fly
42:35and then yeah that's all right and then we're gonna move on to the next item which is the
42:36building construction
42:37i think when they first came in they were only showing that they were painting like half the
42:39building they're gonna do everything awesome great good okay we moved in seconded the motion
42:45uh mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear yes and i vote aye the motion carries
42:53okay at this time we're going to have public comments on all any matters
43:01okay
43:01[transcription gap]
43:05okay
43:05okay
43:05okay
43:06okay
43:06okay
43:26River Road so that application is before the town board for a special permit okay
43:34night is the planning board and does the planning board have any rules that come
43:39before the planning board except for site plan okay only if the special
43:44permits grant correct correct okay so should I wait and meet with the with the
43:51town board for this then yeah it was so it was on town board just to begin the
43:55secret process on this past Tuesday okay
44:05okay all right thank you then very correct any other comments okay we have
44:16the minutes of the meeting of May 1st
44:21in seconded mr. Zanicki yes mr. Hogan yes mr. narrow mr. bear yes I go right
44:28emotion carries I guess we have no secret actions tonight Matt okay good
44:32other business staff you guys staying busy all right good no correspondence
44:40our next meeting date because of June 19th we will not be here in June the
44:45next meeting will be July 3rd 2025 at 6 p.m. if somebody wants to make a motion
44:51I vote yes.
44:51Mr. Zanicki yes Mr. Hogan yes Mr. Nero yes Mr. Nero yes Mr. Hogan yes Mr.
44:51Zanicki no motion no move second moved in second all in favor aye motion carries
44:58have a great weekend everybody
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Thank you. [transcription gap] Pledge of Allegiance. Thank you. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Thank you. We have three public hearings tonight. Matt, I'm going to call you up to help us out with Gouda LLC, please. You got it. Thank you. For the record, Matt Chard, Senior Planner. For the town of Riverhead, I will start by reading the public hearing notice into the record. Please take notice that a public hearing will be held before the planning board of the town of Riverhead at the Riverhead Town Hall for West 2nd Street, Riverhead, New York, on Thursday, the 5th day of June 2025 at 6 o'clock p.m. to consider the site plan application entitled Gouda LLC, which seeks approval to construct a 1,359-square-foot office building with on-site parking and other related site improvements within a 13,617-square-foot vacant parcel with a 13,617-square-foot vacant parcel located within the business center zoning use district situated at 365 Harrison Avenue, Riverhead, more particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Map Number 600-102-3-4.1. If the board sees, the site plan is up on our screen here. It's pretty simple to understand. One way in, one way out off of Harrison Avenue. This application did require relief from the Zoning Board of Appeals to have a 5-foot side yard setback and a 25-foot buffer where 35 feet is required along 58th and 58th in the front yard, which was granted by the ZBA. At last week's ARB meeting, their elevations were approved. Other than that, I have the applicant here. If the board has any questions or members of the public. Thank you, Matt. Anybody from the public would like to speak?

Good evening, Mr. Densetsky and members of the board. I'm Adam Grossman. I'm the attorney for the applicant this evening. And my client is here as well. And in any case, you can see from the site plan this is an unusual shaped lot. There are some challenges, but my client has tried as best he could to be as conscientious as possible in terms of where the primary structure is located and where parking is located so as to minimize any impact on adjacent property owners. I do also just want to mention that there was a letter submitted by one of the adjacent property owners, Richard Israel, who owns the Taco Bell next door. So he had a few comments. But basically, I'm here with my client to say that if you have any concerns about any aspect of the site plan that we can address, we're glad to do so. So we welcome questions. Thank you, Counselor. Okay. Was there any problem with any of the questions that he posed to you? Or are you satisfied? I think in terms of what he, the issues that he raised, the fencing, that was addressed by the Zoning Board of Appeals. So that was actually a condition of the variance. And I think he was, he's concerned. I'm looking at his letter. The letter is dated May 30th. He's asking, I think it's important that the applicant remove all the trees and existing vegetation within the five feet along the westerly line. I don't know. If we have a problem with that. Is that, that's acceptable. He's also, he also mentioned, and he also mentioned the existing trees along the, his parking lot should be being, my client's parking lot should be removed to make clearance for his curb and light poles, which I think we're fine with as well. So as to the dumpster, I'm not even sure if my client's going to need a dumpster. I know it's on the site plan. But he's not even sure if it's something that's going to be necessary. I think it's going to be necessary for the use of the building. However, if we want to, you know, move it to a different location, basically what he's suggesting that is the neighbor suggests that it would match the building if it were of a different material. The dumpster, he's referring to the dumpster enclosure made of cement block, which is great. There is some text that suggests that it would match the building, which is a different material. Please have the applicant define the materials and exact location of the dumpster. I believe that's indicated on the survey where it's currently located. But like I said, I'm not sure if it's necessarily going to be needed at all. So basically. David M. Keep the garbage? You're not going to generate any garbage? David M. Well, it's just I don't know if we're going to need a dumpster for the garbage. Is that correct? David M. Yeah. And we can also screen whatever there is in terms of garbage removal. Whatever ends up being there. Maybe something much smaller than a dumpster would be screened with a chain link fence. And I'm just trying to see if there was anything else. The plan should also show the county dedication line that exists for all developed properties along Old Country Road. The Taco Bell parcel, which is the adjacent property owner's parcel, has a 15-foot offer of dedication to the county. And if the planning board wants us to do that, we certainly can do that. And that's it. But we're really not. I think that the adjacent property owner brings up reasonable issues that we're absolutely willing to address. Thank you. David M. Okay. Matt, the 15-foot, is that by law? Matt Lowrie Yeah. So typically the county always asks for that. I'm not sure that DPAW actually referenced it in their comments. It might have happened already because this property used to be owned by the county. David M. Oh, okay. Matt Lowrie But if it's needed, DPAW will call it out. David M. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Matt Lowrie Thank you. Matt Lowrie Any other speakers? Adam, did you want to add something else? Adam L. No. I just wanted to mention if any members of the Board have any concerns that you'd like the applicant to address, we're happy to listen to whatever concerns you have and address them. Matt Lowrie Okay. Thank you very much. Adam L. I'll move we close the public hearing. Second? Matt Lowrie Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki. Zelnicki What about Zoom? Sorry. Matt Lowrie I'm sorry? Zelnicki Zoom? Adam L. Anybody on Zoom? Matt Lowrie Oh, I'm sorry. Zelnicki We do have people on Zoom. I don't know if anyone wants to speak. Mr. Zelnicki Okay. If you're watching from home and you want to speak, raise your hand so Heather can see you on the screen. Mr. Zelnicki Hello. [transcription gap] Okay.

Zoom them out. All right. The motion's been moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNiro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. The motion's carried. Very good. Thank you all. We appreciate it. Okay. Moving on to number two. Sandy Pond Links, LLC Clubhouse, Trade Shops, and Managers Residence. Greg's not here, so Matt's going to help us out again. Got it. Okay. Please take notice that a public hearing will be held before the Planning Board of the Town of Riverhead at the Riverhead Town Hall, 4 West 2nd Street, Riverhead, New York, on Thursday, the 5th day of June, 2025, at 6 o'clock p.m., to consider the site plan application of Sandy Pond Links, LLC, seeking to construct a plus or minus 3,100 square foot clubhouse with covered porches as accessory to an existing nine-hole executive golf course and an 18-hole mini golf course, construct a plus or minus 1,040 square foot property manager residence, and three 7,200 square foot property managers, along with parking areas, landscaping, lighting, and related site improvements on a parcel of land located at 1521 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, New York, within the Residence B40, RB40 Zoning Use District, and more particularly described as Suffolk County Tax Map number 600-82-1-12.1. And I do have the applicant's attorney, Kimberly Judd, here. If the board has any questions about this, the site plan is up on the screen. Thank you, Matt. Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody like to speak on this application?

Anybody on Zoom, Heather? No one with their hand raised.

Okay. Kim, do you have the plans? I'm just wondering if you and Brian ever will go to consider the other entrance, commercial entrance on the south side of the property. Yes. Good evening. Kimberly Judd, 737 Roanoke Avenue, Riverhead, for the applicant. We did, and we were waiting to see if there was going to be a plan for the site. So, I'm just wondering if there was going to be anybody at the public hearing who was unhappy with that. But, my client is willing to do that second entrance if that's the board's feeling on it. Okay. Because when I met with Brian, the berm will stay. And there are trees planted there already. Maybe just add a couple more trees so the neighbors would not see that. No. Is it Brian Starkey? Okay. Did you want to speak, Brian? Hi. Good evening. Brian Stark. I'm an applicant. I spoke to the neighbors and I spoke to Eddie about we'd like to do one entrance. Because I think it's better for us. And I think it's better for the roadway to have one entrance. The whole storage facility will be secure. I know there was discussion about if that use was going to be. An attractive nuisance for the kids who were playing golf. It's our opinion that we like the site plan we have with one entrance. And we'll screen it. The second entrance might have been a problem with some of the neighbors. So that's why I think one is better. So that's my belief. That we should stick with the one. And if we just have to screen. And do other things. But to be clear. That whole storage facility will be gated. Lit. Secure. So I'd rather stick with one entrance on Roanoke Avenue. But you're still going to have a second entrance to the house. Yeah. And that will be just for one house up against the south side. That will only. That won't access the storage facility. With the storage facility over there. I believe. I can't see it from here. But on the drawing. They had tractor trailers. Is that what you're anticipating? Having. A. Tractor trailer. Well. The prior use. That we're retaining. Is basically trade shops. So what was in there before. Was definitely not tractor trailers. It would be small tradesmen. So I don't know any. Small tradesmen that have tractor trailers. No. I thought on one of the drawings that it had. Like a tractor trailer drawn in. I didn't know if that's what you were anticipating having in there or not. Well. I think. I think it's a little bit drawn in. Just so we know we have turning radiuses and things like that. If occasionally you have a guy in there. But the intent is not to have any kind of tractor trailer traffic on a regular basis. Trade shops are typically smaller. I think the intent there was if you got a delivery from FedEx and they used a small trailer. You know. I mean. You can't stop that. It's just a quick delivery. Right. You know. Nothing that's going to be in and out constantly. Yeah. I mean. You want to have freedom of movement there. You know. With the back. Because all the loading stuff will be in the back. Okay. Got you. Any other questions? No. I'm good. All right. Moved and seconded. Mr. Zelnicki. Thank you. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. Nenarro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Okay. Moving on to number three. 840 Old Country Road. With Matt. I'm like a handsome man alive. I'm a handsome man alive. [transcription gap] Okay. Last but not least.

for use auto sales and will include the reconfiguration of on-site parking access as well as a change of use to an adult use retail cannabis dispensary with related site improvements within a 1.806 acre improved parcel located within the business center BC zoning use district situate at 840 old country road within the town of overhead more particularly identified as Suffolk County tax prep number 600-82-3-9.1 does the application need any zoning relief it does not and I do have the applicants representatives here and the owner if you have any questions site plans on the screen the board can see they're reconfiguring the front so we're getting our 35 foot buffer along old country road and they're moving the curb cut that's on Ostrander Osborne I always get them mixed up Ostrander further to the north how far are they from the school from the Riverhead high school more than the 1,000 foot buffer report so I'll head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head [transcription gap] head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head over 55 community. There are four over 55 communities. We've had problems with break-ins to cars already. Bringing something like this where you have nothing but elderly people and you also have the Timothy Hill Ranch, which is for children of not best circumstances. You know, you're providing this. And you're right next to the hospital. How ridiculous. I'm a nurse. I'm a retired nurse, but I think it's the worst thing in the world. Nobody starts out using cocaine or crack. They start off with marijuana. So, Riverhead was written up last year as one of the best places to live on the New York Times. Now we're going to have to have an addendum. It's one of the best places to get your drugs. Nobody in the communities are happy about this. And I'm the only one who's annoyed enough to come here. But, you know, we could get a whole petition going because it's not fair. It's not to us that we moved here. We want to be in the world. We want to be in the world. We want to be in a safe community. And you're inviting problems. There's already two places to get your marijuana. I hate the smell. So, there's that huge one on Old Country Road. And then there's a medical. How many do we need? Does Riverhead now have to be known as the place for drugs? Come on. So, thank you for listening to me. But I'm not happy. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. And I think it's going to cause a lot of issues with, you know, there's going to be problems. You're going to have traffic because you're going to have Old Country Road. You're going to turn Ostrander, which is a one lane each way. You have gas stations. You have, you know, another business there. You're going to have, there's going to be problems. It's on the corner. The other one on Old Country Road is on a straightaway. People want to turn in. This is on a corner. There's two gas stations. It's going to be a mess. You're going to have traffic. You're going to have more accidents. And we have an elderly population that drive down these roads. Do we really need to expose them? them to a situation that could be more hazardous to their health. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any other speakers? Do we have anybody on Zoom? We have people on Zoom, but no one who wants to speak at this point. Okay. Gentlemen, any questions? I say we close the public hearing. Matt, is there a how far from residence is there a footage from a residential? This property does have location approval from the town. Just so this board knows, when a marijuana application comes into the town, they have to submit what's called a notice of municipality through the town's clerk's office. It gets routed to the planning department to make sure it conforms to our code. That process has already happened. In terms of distance from residence, it's normally a 1,000 foot buffer requirement, but there's an exception in the code for commercial corridors. So there's commercial corridor 1, 2, 3, and 4. Commercial corridor 1 is on 25A in Waiting River, starting at the town line, going to where it joins 25. Corridor 2 is continuing there. It's 25 until you get about to 58. Corridor 3 is Route 58, where this property is located. 4 is on 105, east of 105 on 25, I believe, until Tuttle's. And 5 is from Tuttle's until you reach the town line. So if you have frontage on and direct vehicular access to a corridor, you do not have to comply with the 1,000 foot buffer from a resident. Okay. A little long-winded, but I think I got your question. Second question. If this is approved across the street or any place within 1,000 feet, you can't put a child care or anything like that? You can't now? An applicant can't put? I don't know. I'd want to rely maybe on the town attorney's office for that, being that this use is here. There's a separation distance requirement. I don't know if someone else could choose to develop a child care facility and be less than 1,000 feet. It's hard to say. But our distance requirements are to establish one of these businesses from what you're buffering from, if that makes sense. Oh, okay. There's a... People may regulate the location of the child care facility. Yeah. And that would come into play when they wanted to come. Yeah. So that's one of those things. Yeah. So if Dawn didn't get picked up, the state has its own regulations, which also dictate distances from those sort of uses. So they might preempt. Okay. Anybody else? Thank you. I think you moved it, George? Yeah, I moved to close the public hearing. Moved and seconded. Let's have a vote, please. Mr. Zelnicki? Yes. Mr. Hogan? Yes. Mr. DeNiro? Aye. Mr. Baer? Yes. And I vote aye. Motion's carried. Okay. Let's go right into discussion items. We have one item. Osborne Residence, Chapter 219 at 2705 Roanoke Avenue. With help? Heather.

Good evening, everyone.

And we have Mr. Cuddy here for the applicant. For the record, Heather Trojanowski, planner for the town of Riverhead.

How you doing, Mr. Cuddy? Thank you. This is Mr. Madigan, who's the architect. Welcome. What's your name? Sorry. Sean Madigan. Thank you.

Okay. So this is a Chapter 219 application seeking to construct a one-story studio over a full basement and also a two-car detached garage all seaward of the Coastal Ocean Hazard Line. In addition, the applicant is proposing site alterations, including a new site. This is a residential area. This area is going to be used to build a new sanitary system, grading, drainage. They are going to re-vegetate some disturbed areas. The subject parcel, more particularly identified, a Suffolk County Tax-It number 600-15-1-1.1 is a 1.13-acre parcel located at 2705 Roanoke Avenue in Riverhead within the Residence 240 Zoning Use District. I believe that the board is probably familiar with the area. And I know you live up there. It's a very peculiar property. But it's a very unique area. and that you know the southern portion of the property slopes down from very high elevation levels out slightly in the area of the driveway that's where this new construction is being proposed slopes down again and then the existing dwelling actually sits right on the beach I think at about between elevation six and seven it's pre-existing benefits from a letter pre-existing use was built I believe in about 1911 so it's very old in terms of compliance with code this will need relief from the zoning board of appeals as they are the coastal erosion hazard Board of Review because the new development is not specifically permitted under chapter 2 19 to 14 subsection B but I wanted to bring it to the Planning Board just to you know introduce it to you because if they are successful at the zoning board they will be back to this board for chapter 2 19 approval I did refer it to Vinnie our consulting engineer with the Rainer group he sent a memo data June of this year and he said that he would like to see the zoning board completed by June 2nd which I circulated to the board and also on the applicant's attorney he is really just looking for a soil boring to be performed and then he had a question about the driveway encroachment which in viewing the property historical files it looks like there was a boundary line agreement you know I would be happy to have the town attorney's office look over that just to make sure that any sort of encroachments between the subject parcel and the parcel to the east are you know all taken care of and there aren't going to be any issues I also started the referral process with the New York State DEC because it's unclear whether the wooden bulkheading lost the line of the house and then it looks like there's a retaining wall on the western portion of the property for in existence prior to the title wetlands act of 1977 and I you know corresponded with mr. Cuddy about submitting a joint application to determine whether they would need a permit from the DEC or if DEC would issue a letter of no jurisdiction so it's a little bit of a they haven't gone to DEC that no no no I reached out to DEC just to see you know what they what would be required I sent them the plans in the application and they came back with requesting that joint application form be filled out which I'm assuming mr. Cuddy and or the applicant or the design professional would take care of I would just ask that I'd be you know either copied on any correspondence just to be kept in the loop other than that I visited the site again it's it's a difficult site to develop and I understand why they're proposing the structures in the spot that they are but the Seaha line is everything including the new development is c-word of the Seaha line and it's almost as if they're at one point where two points of inflection but you know years of erosion and looking at historical surveys it appears that the top line of the block is about where the driveway sits um and there there is existing vegetation there are areas of noticeable washout um particularly along the northern end of the driveway and then also the southern end of the driveway where the property uh steeply slopes you can see in the pictures in my staff report there's a lot of exposed tree roots and then just other observations i made there's a bamboo and what appears to be mugwort on the property i'm sure dec would be very amenable to having those removed and replaced with native species you know if they're successful with the zoning board and they move on to construction it's expected that all of this would be removed and the applicant's design professional is proposing some native species and plantings in those disturbed areas how do you remove bamboo i mean it's extremely difficult i know from a couple of my neighbors had some and they actually wound up building retaining wall stuff yeah there is an existing retaining wall at the end of the driveway um i mean i don't know if it's like yeah it's a small area um i mean whatever they could do to start removing it i defer the dec as far as management of invasive species is concerned mugwort is equally as difficult to remove um just because of the root structure um i was talking with jeff seaman and it's a it's an extreme nuisance on coastal properties residential properties it's everywhere you know the longer it's allowed to spread the worse it's going to get it's going to basically choke out native species that contribute you know positively to the biodiversity and the ecosystem and also the root mat that stabilizes the bluffs so did they did they do a test board to see if the septic will work there at that elevation um i think that's what vinnie was asking um they didn't show it on the proposed plans but it's something that we'll want to see i don't think we have a boring test but i'll i can confirm

yeah so that's something that i would definitely recommend we also have an engineer who couldn't come tonight but yeah yes we're working on that okay yeah just verify that it's good and mr cuddy is this going to be a second uh residence on the property not so ever no i i will explain a minute when she gets oh okay what we think we're doing okay okay yeah i mean i'm i mean i'm not going to read through the entire property but i'm not going to read through the entire property but i'm not going to head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head went in a little deep as far as like the subdivision and the CNRs. Obviously it was contemplated at that time by Planning Commission Planning Board when the subdivision was approved, you know, that this was an environmentally sensitive area and they had notes about like no grading, no clearing and cutting and vegetation within 50 feet of the top edge of the bluff. In addition, the approved subdivision map actually has like a setback line on it, a hundred feet from the mean high watermark, which is just south of where the driveway area is. But again, like where their building envelope was shown on the subdivision map is where the property is most steeply sloped. So arguably that would probably be more challenging to try and build something. If someone were to want to retreat from, you know, the beach where the house currently sits, that's usually the goal is to retreat away from points of erosion or beach areas. You know, it would be difficult to develop south of the driveway. Nevertheless, it's not permitted by code. So the decision lies solely with the zoning board. Okay. Okay. Just to go over what we think we're doing. I don't know if you have her report in front of you. Yes. But I think page five has a picture that's worthwhile to look at. Okay. So this is the site. Because it shows the actual parking area. This is a completely level flat area. And this is basically the top of the buff. In other words, it's been done years and years ago. My client bought the property 30 years ago. When he bought it, it was like this. And he said to me, he had been there earlier, many years earlier, and it's so clear, so clear. So the area that we're going to work in is going to be essentially a level area so that we're not under, so that's clear. on a slope we're basically on a flat level plane here we're going to put a garage that's 545 square feet we're going to put a writer's studio and i can go into that a little bit that's going to be essentially 670 feet it's going to have a basement and this thematic and can explain the reason for the basement but it's not an accessory apartment whatsoever it has a half bath because it has a bathroom with a sink in it but doesn't have a shower the person who's a writer lives with mr osborne in the house just below this she's her name is susan har she's a recognized writer she's having a play in london in the kingshead theater in july and august so she's that natural writer it's not just somebody that's come along she's looked to have this place in for quite a while and as you know there's a section in the code i don't know where it it heads off to but it's a definition called artist dwelling so i think the town considers this type of thing to be something appropriate it's not something that unusual um the the entire site as i say has been used over and over again as a garage without i'm sorry a car place without a garage um mr osborne's getting older he'd like to have some place he could put his car get it out of the rain she would like to have this small studio and as i say the studio itself is 600 square feet it's not a not a big building um we're aware of the covenants that we just heard about but i think that those covenants really don't apply to this site for two reasons one the site itself has been there for a long long time and it's been graded so we're not doing anything that's going to disturb it any more than it's been disturbed over this period of time and it's really pre-existing it pre-exists the 1983 covenant that was put on so we we believe it's an appropriate use and and really they're just accessory uses these aren't this is not a primary building which we probably could do but it would be in the middle of the slope as she just pointed out so we think this is an appropriate use it's not something that's going to i don't think destroy any part of the area and we're going to have drainage we're going to have a septic system that will show that we can put in i think that overall that all he's asking for is something that most people would expect to have with their house this happens to be in the coastal roving area but it happens to be an area that's completely level which is really unique so we hope the board would consider it mr madigan is here and maybe can explain a little bit to you why we have a basement in the studio yeah so we're i mean because of the topography um right where this flat area stops we're cantilevering maybe a few feet um four four and a half feet um underneath that um we have basically we're just using the retaining the retaining walls that we would have to make or the foundation walls that we would have to make to build this um adding the basement i think is just it's using space that was storage created and it's an unfinished storage with the basement that's the only thing would be used for it um it would meet the definition of like a seller you know under the building code um it would be more than 50 submerged or whatever so um did you have any questions well this will this studio um be open all year round are you heat and air conditioning everything it's intended to be yes conditioned that the the main uh studio area would be conditioned the garage not and the basement below not so someone could spend a night there hypothetically yes yeah the possibility of that is small because they now live in the dwelling right down below down below yeah they don't seem to have too many people i don't know if you've been there or not but i think it's a good idea to have a lot of people in the building and i think it's a good idea to have a lot of people in the building to the site but no but i yeah i get to the dwelling it's a big deal yeah yeah you have to go down steps then you have to go down more steps and more steps and then you get there so the possibility of having too many people over to this site is pretty small um there's there's a lot of steps there so the reason for that bathroom is you're writing all all day or whatever you don't have to walk the you know it's like a five minute walk down there it's pretty long distance but we don't have a problem covenanting that it's only for this purpose whatsoever and that no one i understand the thought that possibly could do that but yeah we're trying to avoid that happening by whatever you would like us to do because i think most of the uh like the the artist villas that you're referring to i think that was pretty much for downtown riverhead they wanted walkable community with artists lofts off the top years ago i i have one so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so 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So there's not going to be a kitchen. The bathroom is just going to be there. No cooking facilities or anything. And the basement is probably just going to be like a mechanical room for the heat and air conditioning and places like that. Yeah, so outside of the soil boring that we're going to need per Vinny's memo, is there any other concerns that the board had? I just have a question. The owner, you said, is Mr. Osborne? Yes. Is that of Osborne Avenue? Any relation? Not that I know of. We'd be on Hitman Auto Body. I say there are any spouses with a name. Sometimes Osborne and Snowy. Yeah, and Hitman Auto Body. Yeah. Competitive. Other than that, the applicant and his attorney, they've been provided with a denial letter so they can proceed to the zoning board. We're in the process. We're doing that. Okay. Good luck. Okay. Thank you. Oh, just. You're going to make applications to the health department as well. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I had something similar. The reason I waited, because of the height, they said there was no jurisdiction. This is in South Pole with the riverhead. So I'll find out if they take the same position. Okay. Thank you. All righty. That's it on discussion items. Public comments. On resolutions. Anybody can speak on resolutions.

I don't see any hands up. So, gentlemen, if you want to run the resolutions. I'll move resolution 2025-049, TJOC Real Estate Holdings, to retain LKMA as a professional consultant to the planning board to review traffic impact study in connection with the comprehensive developed plan. On. For. A 15.8 acre parcel of land located on the north side of Middle Country Road in Calvertine. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Mr. Baer. Yes. And I vote yes to motion carries. I'll move resolution number 5-0, which deems draft environmental impact statement for the site plan and subdivision of TOC Holdings. Excuse me. To be inadequate. To be inadequate. And says. Before the planning commission. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. And I vote yes to motion carries. I'll move resolution number 20-25051, Calvertine Industrial Subdivision. Issues a positive declaration requiring the preparation of a supplemental environmental impact statement. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Aye. Mr. Becker. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. Resolution 2025-052, National Grid Facility Upgrades. Resolution granting administrator site plan approval for a site plan application seeking to perform improvements on existing national grid facility. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. I'll move resolution. Hold on one second, George. Okay. No, I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir. 2025-052, National Grid Facility Upgrades. Okay. No, I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir. 2025-052, National Grid Facility Upgrades. Susan McCarthy, minor subdivision, granting an extension of the minor subdivision approval. So moved. Second. Moved and second. Mr. Zelnicki. Yes. Mr. Hogan. Yes. Mr. DeNiro. Aye. Mr. Baer. Yes. And I vote aye. The motion carries. I'll move. We have something on jets. I'll move. [transcription gap] granting extension of minor subdivision approval for a minor subdivision application entitled manna lane uh so moved second moved to second mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear yes and i brought out a motion carries resolution 20 25 056 malice property minor subdivision resolution granting two 90-day extensions of a minor subdivision approval for a minor subdivision application second moved in second mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear yes and i brought on motion carries um table uh we're gonna make a motion to table i understand from the department of law that the applicant is not ready so we're gonna table it the second uh somebody move it i'll move it move move to second mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear yes and i vote on the motion carries to table we'll see them in the future okay okay i'll move resolution number 20 25 058 1080 to 1120 old country road facade improvement resolution granting administrative approval for the site plan application entitled 1080 uh dash 1120 old country road facade improvements so moved second uh discussion um matt do we know if uh if the lighting is coming into the compliance so everyone should have gotten a copy of the amended plans which uh had a lighting schedule and everything is 3000 kelvin height compliant downward facing um yeah so yeah lighting's coming in and they're painting both buildings to match and they're adding landscaping to the existing awesome and they did put trash receptacles all the way around the facility so so that's all the fine fare fine fare of all that yeah lighting is now okay yeah it's all gonna fly and then yeah that's all right and then we're gonna move on to the next item which is the building construction i think when they first came in they were only showing that they were painting like half the building they're gonna do everything awesome great good okay we moved in seconded the motion uh mr zelnicki yes mr hogan yes mr de niro hi mr bear yes and i vote aye the motion carries okay at this time we're going to have public comments on all any matters okay [transcription gap] okay okay okay okay okay so so so River Road so that application is before the town board for a special permit okay night is the planning board and does the planning board have any rules that come before the planning board except for site plan okay only if the special permits grant correct correct okay so should I wait and meet with the with the town board for this then yeah it was so it was on town board just to begin the secret process on this past Tuesday okay

okay all right thank you then very correct any other comments okay we have the minutes of the meeting of May 1st in seconded mr. Zanicki yes mr. Hogan yes mr. narrow mr. bear yes I go right emotion carries I guess we have no secret actions tonight Matt okay good other business staff you guys staying busy all right good no correspondence our next meeting date because of June 19th we will not be here in June the next meeting will be July 3rd 2025 at 6 p.m. if somebody wants to make a motion I vote yes. Mr. Zanicki yes Mr. Hogan yes Mr. Nero yes Mr. Nero yes Mr. Hogan yes Mr. Zanicki no motion no move second moved in second all in favor aye motion carries have a great weekend everybody Subtitles by the Amara.org community

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