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Thank you. Thank you. Would we all please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance? Denise Ciboletti, would you mind leading us in the pledge? My pleasure. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Denise.

Okay, we have one item on for open session today, and that's going to be matters surrounding a special permit for portable trailers at the Riverhead Charter School, 5117 Sound Avenue, Riverhead, and that will be presented by Greg Bergman.

And we do have representatives from the Charter School, so I invite them to come up for the discussion as well. Thank you.

Thank you, Judd. This is Alec Bowler from... Or Alec Basinski. ...Bowler Engineering. I'm a great advocate for the Superintended Patrol. Okay. Hello, everybody. Good morning. [transcription gap] So this is a special permit application seeking approval to locate three portable trailer units at the Northville Schoolhouse, located at 5117 Sound Avenue. Just for a little backstory, the town board back in December of 2021 granted a special permit to convert the existing building on that site. Back to a schoolhouse.

So they are now looking to increase student enrollment slightly. They are going from 100... Their current enrollment from their prior site plan is 106 students. They're now showing 154 seats on their site plan. So in order to facilitate the expansion, they're looking to locate three temporary trailers behind the existing schoolhouse. I do note that one of the trailers is already there, unfortunately, being that that was done prior to any kind of site plan approval. They will be required to double their site plan fee if the town board grants a special permit. It's not in use. It was still brought to the site. There was improvements done. So, I mean, really minimal site improvements to the overall site. They will need to do some regrading behind the building in order to level that area out and facilitate the installation of those trailers. When I was looking at the application I did, when it first came in, it initially showed five trailers. They did not have the required parking on site. They could not facilitate the parking, so they reduced it to three. Two of those trailers will be used for classrooms. One of them will be administration and faculty space. So they do have some land banked parking throughout the rear of the site. There is a total... With the land bank parking, they are able to... Fully meet the parking requirements. One of the requirements of land bank parking is that they do have to file a covenant on the property that in a future finding, if the board finds that the existing parking is not adequate, they would be required to build out that full... I believe it's 54 parking... 52 parking stalls. Beyond that, the increase in student enrollment, if there was the potential for there to be traffic congestion at the site, they have demonstrated on the second sheet of the site plan that I prepared for you, which... Justin, if we can go to sheet seven on the overhead. There is a large U-shaped driveway that traverses throughout the property. In the event that parents are dropping their kids off or there are additional buses, they can utilize that space as sort of internal queuing so that there would be no vehicles backed out onto Sound Avenue. So beyond that, there is a lot of work to be done. There is a lot of work to be done. There is a lot of work to be done. So beyond really the increase in traffic, there was really no other concerns identified during the application, and they are temporary. I believe Ms. Judd said the charter school's lease is up in... Six years. Six years. So they would be removed at that time. So that's my temporary six years in your eyes? That's more of a permanent structure. That's a long time. So there's no permanent foundations. They are installed on like a crushed gravel base. So they can be removed. There are no permanent fixtures. They are anchored to the ground, but they can be removed rather easily. They will need to get building permits. They will need fire marshal permits. I did get a comment letter from the fire marshal. They do just need to provide an emergency access. That could be facilitated along the west side of the building, and that access will get them to within 150 feet of all the structures per the New York State Fire Code. I just want to say that I think that's a great point. I think that's a great point. I just like to add, I think the board is well aware that the charter school is looking for bigger space. Right now, classrooms are pretty crowded. It's only hurting the kids that they can't go into a temporary portable situation. We have a couple property leads that we're actively, actively working on and trying to secure. So the lease is up in six years. We're not the property owner. And it is, the charter school's intention to find a property big enough to accommodate what they would like to do. They don't like shuttling kids back and forth to different areas, trying to accommodate them in classroom space. It's not good for the teachers. It's not good for the students. And as Mr. Bergman said, this is a temporary situation. We could propose an addition onto the building, which is something that we thought about doing, but it's not our building. It's not. We're just going to keep this under control. [transcription gap] property with really no long-term plan. So if you don't find a place in six years, leases are renewed or it is renewed at that point, this is more like you're circumnavigating it. You're using a temporary thought process for a long-term permanent solution. Well, we are pursuing a long-term, and I think right now to not allow it is punitive to the charter school because they haven't had a successful enrollment. I don't think they should be penalized by not allowing to have more children. And we're talking about three trailers. I don't think in the grand scale of things, there's any environmental impact. There's no traffic impact. It's well-screened property. It's in the back. And I think the town board members are aware that the charter school is very actively seeking a permanent spot for this. Here's my problem with this. I was on the planning board when this was originally approved. And- And it was made well-known that this was it. There wasn't going to be any more expansion other than what we approved at that time. The way that the parking was queued for the buses was granted around the enrollment of how many children were going to be there. I don't think that this area should have trailers on the property. It's not part of the plan. And I don't think that this is the integrity of what that corridor represents. And we were very lenient at the time because this was a pre-existing use of a schoolhouse prior. And I don't think that this is the integrity of what this area should be. I have to disagree with you. There was no cap that the planning board or the town board imposed when we did our special permit or site plan. It was never a cap. There was never any representative from our charter school that said we're going to hold at the school. We didn't have head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head and change 275 is around the number I believe it is. Because we looked at this as far as issues with the bathroom. Bathrooms, because obviously you're adding more students. So how many students and teachers are in that building now? About 130. So why can't you use, why are we going to trails? Why can't we continue to use the space in the school for expansion? Because you can only use. You can figure. I can't speak for the architect, but there's a building code requires you to have a certain amount of square feet for every student in a classroom. And if there's going to be some natural growth to those classrooms, you can't condense it more than what the building or the building department would allow. So the state building code, excuse me. So that's why one of the trailers will be is actually just for administrative purposes. And the other two would be used just for classrooms, just based on that natural growth. They need, they need a little bit more space. I mean, in theory, you could try to compact more, but it would be against. Just the administration does have to be on site. Why can't you have an office space on time? We had a couple of town board members that came to visit. I would love for them to talk about their experience and how we have administrators that in the hallways, because they don't have access to being in an office or have an office space. I would love for anybody that was there. Yeah. Joanne and I visited me toward both campuses. And you're right. It's tight. The way it's set up and with space for classrooms and the principal actually did sit in the hall. I mean, he had a little spot out in the hall where he, he was hanging out. I can understand the need for the expansion, but what bothers me? Number one is that you went and put one there already without having permission to do it. And it kind of just rubs me the wrong way when people come in and just bully their way through the town and figure out I'll do it. I'll worry about it later. So right away, that just makes me not want to go any further because if you, you put one without having permission and now you're going to put two more for a total of three, what else are you going to do up there that, you know, and say, I will worry about it later. I don't, I it's, you're not a good player when you do that in my mind. So I have a little bit of an issue with this. Or at least the trail that it's there on site should have been, you know, immediately removed and you should be coming here with a clean slate and not, you know, with your, your city before us in current violation of town codes. And now you're, you're asking for a permit after the fact. I can only say we're, we're trying to come into compliance now. The trailer. I don't, I don't know how big, you know, the size of it. And it's not occupied. There's no students in it. There's it's not being occupied by students or staff or faculty. And I would just say. Portables for any school district. It's not an uncommon thing. It's not uncommon to see. I myself went to high school here and I had a lot of classes in portables. Didn't have any. It wasn't, it wasn't a lot of classes. I was a nice walk in a forest field to go in the rain, to go to class. But that's not the case here. The portables are right in the back. There's going to be no sanitary, no water. So the kids are going to be using the restrooms inside the building. We don't have to do any sewer hookup. We don't have to run any water lines to this. And I understand your fear that if we grant this and it goes, it runs the sixth year. You have, you have special, special conditions that you can put into your permit. If you want it to run every year that we have to come back and renew it. That's something you can put into a special permit application. Just, just to make sure that we are being faithful to finding a new location and trying to, and I think we've been pretty good at trying to update certain people that we are looking and that, and we will certainly let you know when a spot has been secured. Um, there, there is a spot that we, we would like to, but there's a zoning issue. We're hoping at some point, uh, when the comp comprehensive plan is updated, that that will be addressed. And there are at least three properties that the charter school is actively trying to secure. So if, if it's your fear that we're going to run, we're going to keep those buildings there the full six years, you can put into a special permit approval that, that it's only valid for a year. And then we have to come back and update you with an, I don't think it's necessary because I think we're pretty close to finding a place to land. Uh, but that's certainly something I understand if, if you want to put into an approval, if you want to limit how the length of it and that we would have to renew it. What, so how many total more people are in the, no, how many more people, what is the capacity goes down to the question I'm going up to Greg is this current sanitary system that's in place has a capacity limit of imagined as a calculation formula. So we exceeding the sanitary. No, we, we, we've designed it enough to handle the occupants. So the, like I mentioned, the occupants was about 200 and change. We designed it because it's, it's occupants versus students. Your code is written as those for number of students, not number of occupants. We have to design the system with Fuji clean to handle. And we oversize, as well, because when you, this was a lease, it was in the owner's best interest to oversize the system because if actually the school would leave and you would have a system in place that you probably want to reutilize for something that it's an IA system, that is an IS system. So it would be something, something more intense. I mean, it doesn't have to be restripped because we were never going to prepare food. So if the property owner were to do something that was a food use, you'd have to intensify the grease trap to handle that, that flow. I just want to go on a record and say that we have no desire. To be on sound app past the six years. After this lease is over, like we're not going to be there. We feel like we're not welcome there in terms of just everything that happened prior to. And so with us trying to purchase neck door, whatever. And so we, we understand the sentiment of the community and we're definitely making a good faith effort in order to be closer to our campus on middle country. And so I'm on record with saying that we're not trying to do that past six years. I wouldn't say that, you know, I think, I think you, you're welcome with open arms. I think you did it. You did an amazing job building in the restoration. And I love the fact that I'm passing by. I think the property is pristine. Now. I think people were not comfortable with the expansion of it, but don't feel that you're not welcome there. I think you're very much welcoming. You did, you did a great job on the whole property. I think, and it looks wonderful. I'm grateful for what you guys put into it and your investment there. Yeah. [transcription gap] I didn't have a full head full head full head full head full head full head full head full head full head full head full head full head [transcription gap] full head full head full head full head full head the original site being the charter school. I wasn't on the board, but I love driving up and down San Diego. I love what you've done with that property. You've made that property. Well, that's the property owner that did all of that. But it's beautiful. It is. It wouldn't have been done if they didn't have it. So I wouldn't say any of that. I think people have concerns about the expansion process and where it goes. Because right now, it looks like this beautiful historic home that's been restored, you know, a barn, and now into a beautiful building. It was originally a schoolhouse. It's, yeah. The restoration is great. And just to be clear, I mean, if you drive by the school right now today, and we mentioned that one trailer's there, it is fully screened by 20-foot tall, 30-foot tall. The intent is to not, we don't want this to be an eyesore. It's a trailer. We all know it's a trailer. We all know what it looks like. But if you go to that site today, there's a reason why these are strategically put in the back corner. The 88 ramps will be metal. They won't be fully installed into the ground. These things will be leased. They won't be owned. The intent is obviously, and it doesn't make sense to dump as much money into this if it's not a permanent solution. Someone had mentioned it seems permanent, but the reality is we're paying lease, we're going to be leasing lease items to once remove these things. And the reason why they're positioned in a place that is in the back right corner is because that was the least impactful for what we, the school actually had help spent to redo, repurpose the school. So once these trailers are gone, they would be replanted as grass, and it just remained as it was prior to that. So if you were to drive today, you wouldn't even see these trailers for, and that's once again, we're not talking about the trailers are there and it might not be right that they're there. But the reality is we've strategically put this close enough for the students that have, you know, that need the ADA support, but the ramps, but also as you're driving down South Ave, you wouldn't see it from the road. We will see the additional buses, the additional cars. Well, I don't want to speak for the school, but I don't think any of the students drive. I think it's part, it was part of the special permit that they would. Well, if you're expanding, aren't you going to have to expand some of the faculty? Um, not very many. We were able to utilize the staff members that we have. So we would have maybe like five FTE infants. So not very many staff members, and not very many additional buses as well, because the buses that we're using, because we actually paper the buses because it's outside of the 15.2 mile radius, and those buses are not packed. So so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so The trailers are removed. So, yeah. I do know you are working very hard at finding other property. And I do know you really don't want to be there because it doesn't fit the needs for what you have up there. But I will also say that in touring the property, I was very impressed. Really was. Just the kids, the students, the setup, and the space that you're using, I think it's well used. You've got all that you can use right now. And I understand the need for expansion. I just, again, it just bothers me that you went ahead and put one up there. And I'm just getting tired of people doing that in this town and think, well, I'll pay for it later. It's the cost of doing business. And that attitude just worries me that what else is going to happen down the road. So, again, I want to go on record apologizing for that. Because that falls on me. I'm the superintendent of the school. And so regardless of whatever feedback I was given in terms of what may occur, what may not occur, I apologize to the board. Again, that falls on me. And so moving forward, I'm here. I'm on record as saying that whatever you guys allow us to use that space will be that. We will not come back to you for anything additional. We feel like this is the best way to move us forward in terms of accommodating our student growth for the next six years. Well, your lower level students, your lower grades are expanding. So we're putting a cap on. But what I'm saying is that's part of the reason you need this because the grades coming up are larger than when you originally started. And that's a good thing. I mean, that shows you're doing a good job in enrollment and people like what they have there. But that's just my concern. If it's administration space, the question wasn't answered is why does the administration space need to be on site? Why can't you rent an office downtown? So many, many school districts do that off site. And so it's a good thing that we're putting that back in the administration. There's also a house on the property. Can you use that? I believe that's the landlords. Yeah. I don't think we have permission. I mean, but that's something I think that is in use by the landlord. But that's another thing that would fall under the special various use. I think when we came with a plan to develop the backspace, it was not included in the original schoolhouse usage. And so it was. Yeah. We were deterred from from developing that house into space. Is the landlord aware that you want to put these? Yes. And he's fine with that? Yes. Oh, so you're trying the owner's endorsement for the special permit application. So when we talk about administration, we're talking about school school administrators. So you're asking for us to put a school principal in an off site when he has to run the campus. So like these administration space that we're talking about, it's not like. I didn't have an head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head outside of the leases and stuff, just from an engineering perspective. I mean, it would be a little bit of work to convert that into office space. But maybe, just as a thought, if you made an arrangement with the landlord and then you filed building permits, if you want to take over that house and you want to restore that house and upgrade that, and then this was something where you needed portable units for a year, and you were actively under construction to utilize the entire site, I would be more amicable to you, seeing a future plan. I just have concerns sitting here and going, property is expensive. So I just don't want to be looking at trailers for six years, and then eventually I get it. I understand. But in doing so, if we put the investment into that backspace, given the fact that we're leaving that space and we have no intentions of being there moving forward, would that be the best? No. Usage of funds? No. It would be you to calculate how much three trailers are going to cost you over six years and what that fee is going to be. Maybe that same amount of money can be invested into the house on site. That's a business question for you. The answer. I have a question for you. So what's the lease term right now on the trailers? What are you going to do? Are you going to go for six years? No, we'd actually go yearly. Yeah, the reason why I ask is, you know, hypothetically, if you found property next year, you would start building and you might be out. You might be out of this in 40. Right. All right. That's one. That's one question. I get that. I did go over this with Mr. Bergman the other day. My concern was the bus traffic. Now you said two buses. Okay. That's two or three. No, he always said two or three. I mean, no, I mean, this is the first time, you know, that we're having this conversation. Yeah. And currently you have how many buses? Coming in and out. Oh, four. So, and I believe we're over the huge hurdle, which was you were going to purchase other land and really expand. And I know that's what people were against. And you landed on that and you were willing to move, which I think is, you know, great. Yeah. So that's really it. My concern was the traffic and knowing that you're going to lease the trail is year to year, you know, and I know you are actively looking because I've sat with the planning department and also looked at where you're looking. So, and I'd be happy to support if it is a change of zone, you know, where are you going? And if it works to support that change of zone. So it's in an area that's more beneficial to you and beneficial to the community. Right. So again, Aaron, back to what I said earlier, apologizing for the initial trailer being there. Let's have to think about kids, right? And that, that should be the focal point of any conversation with regards to expansion. And so right now we would have 40 to 50 kids that would be displaced. If we didn't have these trailers to be able to put them in for next year. And so I realized everything that we're talking about, you know, we're talking about the !

I mean, this was what we knew your capacity them. So you must say the kids are staying, they're staying with us. They're not leaving. They know, where will I be in nine years from now each year as you grow and you, what was the plan back then? You can't put the guilt on us. Like you're going to displace kids. Is that that's, that's an unfair statement. This was part of a long-term plan each year. You're watching your, your, your students grow means you're doing a great job. So what was the plan six years? The plan was that we were going to acquire the, the adjacent property and that fell through unexpectedly. That property just became available a year or so ago. Yes. After we had already been in contract with them and the subdivision plan was not filed and he still hasn't finished out his subdivision that property. And you can correct me if I'm wrong. Mr. Bergman is not a, it's not a separate lot at this point. It's got to have the map is not filed. The planning board is not filed. The final subdivision map. It's got to have the map on it. So that was one of the issues when the charter school was in contract with that particular property owner. There was a due diligence in there that the property owner had to have things finalized and it just didn't happen. And we were devastated by that because that is the property that really should be the most logical. It is. Absolutely. So I, I believe the charter school is in, in negotiations again, but again, the map is still not fine filed and we can't make the property owner finish it. We can only maybe try to go back into contract again. Again, there's a zoning issue that I think some of you are aware of, but that was the plan. That was the plan to build that and that thing that school would have been built by now and that's where they would have been. So I'm just asking. I, I could see that that most of you are upset about this, but I think also you have to look at it. We're trying really hard to find a new place and we're just asking to give us a temporary place for these kids to go to classroom. You know, we're looking for a new place to go. We're, we're committed to it. We're not going to stay here. And if you really think that we're going to go past the six years or the six years is the issue. You're talking three buildings that are fully screened. No one driving on Sound Avenue is going to see it as they're driving. Up and down as far as bus traffic. You're talking seven buses during a non peak time on Sound Avenue. So there, what time does school finish? Mr. Ancrum to 30 to 30. You're talking to 30 and what time does school start the bus? Seven. Okay. I don't think you're going to see cars lined up on Sound Avenue for seven buses at 730 in the morning and three, three 30, three 15, three 15 in the afternoon. So if your biggest issues are traffic and view shed, I really don't think I, I've lived here my whole life. I've never seen traffic on Sound Avenue at 715 in the morning. How many buses are going up on 25? What's the comparison? Oh, sorry about 13 to 15. I said there every morning on that. So that's you and me both. I sit there as well. So I just want to be clear on something. We actually met with the planning department in December when we put this plan together. It was because of the other application that we were going to go into in March. And I believe Tim, you were there, Greg, you were there. I thought you were on the family leave. Yes. But when we had spoke and you'd asked this question, this was the transition plan to the next parcel adjacent to us. So we were going in with an application for this and we were going to move into the parcel to your point. The intent was to, you know, take the two years of the average permit process of one to two years to get that approved in the two to three years. To construct that big piece because it was a bunch of big piece, which would be that four to five year threshold for us to transition over. Now, obviously, we know what happened with the application adjacent to us. But let's not recite that part of the conversation in December was this is what we want to do in the meantime while we move to the parcel adjacent. Now, obviously, the plan has changed and now we're looking at different parcels. But that was always the reason why Ray was looking at the numbers and the amount of kids that were coming up. In December, we looked at this, we met with the planning department. We discussed this as a temporary action plan for the adjacent parcel. And that's how we derived to these numbers that Ray has mentioned that this placement of numbers. It was derived based on hypotheticals that we had discussed back in December. And now obviously we're approaching the summertime. And to Ray's point, you know, there's students that they have to figure out what they're going to do with because the end result has obviously pivoted because of what has happened. But the end result is still the same. It's, we intend to leave this parcel to go somewhere else. Now, it's not next door, but it's going to be somewhere else. So it is still a transition plan. And just obviously from December to now, it's changed a bit. So I just want to bring that back because I know we had met back in early December. Yeah. So, and you're not, you have no interest now in the property to the west. No. Okay. So that's, that's really, you know, that's a really good thing. I agree with the supervisor. I mean, we do have people who just go and do things without notifying the town and that, that is an issue. You apologize for that and doubling the site fees. And I did go through the traffic. So, and I understand it. I know you're looking for more property. I'm not going to stand in your way. I'm going to support what you're doing. And I, and I drive by there a lot and I, I didn't even know there was a trailer there. So, and I understand you're going to screen it all. So, you know, it's, it's a point of care. I'm just going to say. I met Mr. Bergman and went and he went over the plan with me. And one of the concerns I had was also to make sure that you can't build up on top of those trailers. Right. No. There's no way to do that. Just. That's one of the things. I was concerned. About. You also started to mention. So first of all. Sir. You do an amazing school. And the students were wonderful. I'm actually going Friday. I'll be there. On career. For career. Day. I'm going to be speaking for a few minutes. There. I'm very happy to address the students. I am. Also, you started mentioning something, and I wanted to go back to it. You said you were going to, I thought I heard you starting to say you're going to put a cap on grammar school enrollment. Was that something? Right now because of this issue with who's advancing and moving up? Absolutely. So to give you guys like a case in point, we usually take in about four classes of kindergartners, which is about 25 kids per grade. This year we capped it at three classes because we're thinking strategically about the upward growth. And what used to occur is that when kids got to a certain grade, when they got to like eighth grade or whatever, they would like go back, some of them would go back to their local high schools or whatever. And so we could account for that. So if we were looking at our data from the past, it would be like, oh, this kid's going here, they're going back here or whatever. But because we're doing so well, we're having our first graduating class this year. And we have eight kids that got into R1 universities with our senior class. Like these kids aren't leaving anymore. And so it's an anomaly in the data, but it's something that we have to account for. So it's a good problem to have for the most part until you have to meet with the town board and you have to explain it. But our kids are no longer leaving. Even with the town board, it's nice. We just have to put the concerns out there. But that's the issue that we're having. Like our kids are no longer leaving and going back to district because the product that we're offering is a, is a competitive nature to the parents. There is one complaint other than everything you've heard about anything. Is the bell between classes. Okay. Is really, really loud and the residents can hear it. Yeah. I've heard that from more than one. It'd be nice if you could just tone that down. We will definitely do that. Yeah. I'll take care of that as soon as I walk out. So are you guys putting a cap on the enrollment for grammar school? So for grammar school, we took in 80 kids this year as opposed to taking in 100. And so. That's your lottery, right? Yeah. That's the. You might have read in the paper that the lottery that the charter school had. Yeah. And so, yeah, those are some of the thinking. Until we can get a permanent site and we know exactly what we're going to be able to do, we're definitely limited enrollment. How many people applied for the lottery? So we had to turn away upwards of 50 families. We took in 80 and had to turn away about 50 families. Okay. And a lot of families that we had to turn away was students from other districts, right? Because, like, we had in our charter that we give preference to Riverhead. And so because of the amount of families from Riverhead that applied for our school, we couldn't really take in students from other districts to kind of balance that out. So. And you're comfortable with. And I think it may not be a bad idea just to go. Year to year so that the board can be updated. You know, and because you're on a year lease with your, you know, your trailer company. And then this way where, you know, the board and everybody knows, the community knows what's going on. Year to year with some kind of decommissioning plan. Yeah. So, and one of the criteria for the special permit, I think it's in 301-312, is that the property size is of reasonable, it's basically able to facilitate, like, existing operations at future expense. So, this may be the opportunity to say, you know, whereas the first time when we came in for the conversion of the existing schoolhouse, there was no cap. It was mum. It was just we're converting the schoolhouse. You know, like, this may be an opportunity now short of, you know, I'm not saying constructing an addition to the building. But, you know, maybe this would be the opportunity to, you know, set a cap on. Right. This is what you're going to have for this site. This is the last bite of the apple for this property. It's not, you know, the site is probably limited in terms of what they'd be able to do. Right. Right. It's not going to be able to facilitate in terms of parking, sanitary, that sort of thing. So, this might be the opportunity for that. Then you are, in fact, putting a new field here. Play area? Yeah. This one's there. It's already there. It's already there. Yeah. There's a couple of soccer nets out there. Part of the permit was that we had to identify. I thought it went this way, though. No. I thought what was there went east to west, not north to south. Yeah. Right now, the soccer nets are set up east to west. Okay. Again, it's really not formalized. It's sort of just a field. A field. A field. Yeah. [transcription gap] That road in the back already does exist. Yes. Correct. Correct. That road exists, and a majority of the gravel parking areas that are behind there do exist and existed at the time when we came in in 2021. And you're unable to live with the cap. This is it, right? Yeah. This is it until you move and you find a new location. I don't, like I said, it's not news that we're looking for a place that can accommodate, better accommodate. This is not appropriate. This is not appropriate for the amount of students that we would like to have on site. And we're trying. I can say we're trying. We've got different people working on different places. And... Yeah, I'm aware of that. Yeah. For the last three months. Following where you're looking and stuff like that. Am I correct that subdivision's not finalized? The department one in Calverton? Yeah. It's not finalized. It's not finalized. You may need a lottery for the kids that can stay in the school, past grammar school, if you keep expanding and you don't have the ability. I think we're going to find some place soon. I feel that we're close to, very close I think. If, there are two promising properties, two promising places. So, I think we're very close. I'm hoping if this is granted and then we go through planning board and that's granted, you won't see us in a year for, I'm hoping. That's our hope. So, and I don't want you to, I'm not asking to disclose where you're going, but would it be, just so I can understand the length of time these trails would be at, is it a pre-existing, are you looking at pre-existing buildings or are you looking at a lot of land and it's still going to take you two to three years to build the school that you want? The latter. I don't, if you know of any pre-existing buildings that we, let me know. But even if you buy land, you're still going to be having these trails. You're still staying there for six years. It's going to take a period of time to build it. Possibly, possibly I can't disclose, but maybe, but I'm hoping not.

Or on your new land you put trailers in while you're building, depending on the size of the property. I mean you have, you have all the trails. I lived in a trailer when my house was being built, so. I just want to go back to the property owner real quick and make sure that he's also aware that there might be buses going behind the building, in front of the residents. He is. I spoke to Mr. Reed when Mr. Bergman got together with me and he said this is something that they would like to see. I spoke to him about it and I took a picture of what Mr. Bergman drew and I sent it to him and he told me that he was fine with that. Greg, what does the fire marshal say in reviewing this? You got to get a little bit of information. I don't know. [transcription gap] to drive around it wouldn't it wouldn't have to be an aerial apparatus road um basically on the west side of the building it's got to be 20 feet wide they can extend it the maximum length would be 150 feet i did scale it out with uh fire marshal smith oh that's the picture you showed yeah so if they if they do provide it basically along the west side here it will get them it will meet the minimum requirement you know the maximum length of the roadway they can access this would be a you know this would be considered an access point that's within 150 feet and this will be within 150 feet so fire marshal smith was satisfied with that that it would meet the emergency access criteria in chapter five of the new york state fire code okay any other questions or concerns or anything we want to address i mean we do it there's a special permit so the next step would be to schedule a public hearing on the application the board's amenable i can find the next available date and we can get that set up i'm fine with that all right yeah i'm fine with that is the application going to say one year uh i mean that that's something the board needs that we need to come to a consensus on and the reality of it is from a strictly impact point of view i'm not getting into the charter schools just from a land use perspective and potential impacts whether they were there for one year or they were there for six years the impacts would be negligible what's the lease agreement with the trailers year to year right to be your year

it's a prefab building i just want to say i love what you're doing i i really do i support the charter school i appreciate that we were given the opportunity to come and you know see your facilities and meet the children and you've got a wonderful wonderful school there so whatever happens with this it's not about that we don't want the kids there because they they deserve an opportunity and you're giving them a very good opportunity so i say we go to a public area goodbye i agree with her sentiments i think you're doing a great job my my my kids grew up and they have friends that went to the charter school very highly of it programming there they were proud of exactly what you're saying that to stay there i just um need you to find a new piece of land really quick

i think they share that concern uh one thing i have to tell you i really like in the high school on Sound Avenue the map of the United States with the push pins and where the kids are going to college where they applied to was a different color pin then where they got accepted to and the number of pins that were in there for your graduating class is pretty impressive thank you so that you should be ready to class on just 13 okay and I bet there's 13 pins in that about seven million dollars in scholarship yeah pretty impressive and the kids were so so respectful so not such a nice kids it's just it's a different atmosphere than then the public school system mainly because it's smaller I mean there's less and for some kids and some of the students told us that one one girl was saying she went to William Floyd High School and when the bell rang she just like melted she hated going out in the hall it was too noisy too busy and you know and this is more personalized education for her and she said she's striving there and she wasn't thriving at her home district so they're good stories coming out thank you okay all right thank you if the board you should visit the Rotary Garden Festival over at Tanger it's until Mother's Day we had shrubs perennials we have the biggest election that we've ever had in all the years that I've been a Rotarian she's renting advertising space right now she's and orchids are coming in today and tomorrow and we're open until Mother's Day you forgot the best part Brian clear pies yeah so please come on down if you have to buy that special someone a flower a plant a shrub they got trees, they have everything. Kim, it's open Friday, Saturday, Sunday? Yes. Okay. Nine to six. Nine to six, okay. Come on down. And it benefits... Operation International and Northwell Health. It's a good cause. Yes. The Brian McBain pies are only $30. The creams are only there in the morning, so don't wait till the afternoon, the creams will be gone. They're the best. Anything else we should know. The other public.

Okay, just a couple quick notes here, because that's all we have for open session. Just a reminder that Saturday, May 11th, 8.30 in the morning, the Riverhead Police Athletic League has the Bike Safety Rodeo up at Stotsky Park. Its registration starts at 8.30 and it gets underway at about 9. Kids in grades K-6 who can ride on two wheels are invited to participate. They have new bikes to give away and lots of prizes, so go on down. Rain day this Saturday, May 18th. And a reminder for the beach stickers to get up to the Recreation Department. Again, as the weather's getting nice, people are going to the beaches and we don't want to start hammering everybody with tickets, but it will happen if you don't have your sticker. They're very easy to get between here and online. And most importantly, Sunday is Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. And as I mentioned at our board meeting, moms are not just the biological moms, but they're aunts, they're grandmothers, they're sisters, they're anybody that's, any female that's been part of raising a child. And sometimes they say it takes a village. Well, it takes a village of mothers sometimes to raise children. So, happy Mom's Day and enjoy the weekend. And we have three matters to go into executive session. Oh, happy Mother's Day, Joe and Denise. Thank you. We have three items for executive session. We have matters surrounding possible change in status of employee with StriplandTO. We have matters surrounding possible change in status of employees, Prudente and Howard. And we have matters surrounding possible license agreement for food concessions with Waskie and Howard. If I could have a motion to close the open session and go into executive session. So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. All opposed. Thank you. Okay. We are closed. And we are going into executive session. Everybody have a great weekend. Thank you.

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