September 26, 2024 — Town Board Work Session

Town Board Work Session Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
0:30[transcription gap]
1:20Thank you, Terry.
1:21Thank you.
1:23Okay, we have two items on for open session today.
1:27Matters surrounding the 2025
1:29tentative budget, and we have
1:32second matter on matters surrounding elite towers
1:35installation of the cell tower at the Wading River
1:38Fire Department headquarters, and Matt Charters will be
1:41leading the town with us on that.
1:44All right, so we had a town board special
1:48meeting, special session
1:50a short time ago, and I presented the board
1:53members with the 2025
1:56tentative budget, so they now have that
1:59in their possession.
2:00It is posted online, and I'm going to start out
2:05by reading the memo that I have included in all
2:08of the tentative budgets.
2:10And it says, Dear Town Clerk and fellow town board members,
2:14as supervisor and chief financial officer of the town
2:17of Riverhead, and in accordance with section 106 of New York
2:21State Town Law, I am pleased to present for your consideration
2:25the town of Riverhead 2025 tentative budget.
2:29I believe my single biggest responsibility to the residents of
2:33Riverhead is the formulation of the annual budget.
2:37I collaborated with department heads, elected officials, and
2:41senior staff over every line, and meticulously weighed and
2:45considered every decision.
2:47And I will say that with the department heads, when we first
2:52started the budget process, I informed them that this was going
2:56to be a really, really tough year, and I asked them to please,
2:59not give me outrageous requests, because all it was going to do was
3:03lengthen the time that it would take to do the budget, because they
3:08would have been sent back right away and removing a lot of those items.
3:11I commend my department heads, because I think they did a fantastic job,
3:16and what they presented was a basic no-thrill, no-frills budget, albeit we
3:21still had to go through it with a fine-tooth comb, and we did get the
3:24red pen out, and we still made some cuts, but I appreciate the fact
3:29that they didn't give us an inflated budget for each of their departments.
3:33They did a very good job with that, so I want to thank them.
3:37Okay, just as the price of a box of cereal or a stick of butter have
3:42increased, so too have the costs to run the town.
3:46The town-wide 2025 budget is 4.14% over the tax cap, due in large part to
3:54increases to insurance premiums and retirement systems,
3:58contributions, and
3:59in fact, several surrounding municipalities will find the need to
4:04also pierce the tax cap for 2025. Riverhead also has contractual
4:10obligations, faces the need to replace old vehicles, and must perform required
4:17maintenance and improvements to aging infrastructure and related equipment. And
4:21I will say that in years past, it's always great to put up a budget with no
4:26tax increase, but you're going to pay for it, and you're going to have to pay for it. So, I'm going to say that, in the next few years, we're going to have to pay for it.
4:28going to pay for it somewhere, and unfortunately, that was done maybe one,
4:32two, one or two, too many times, and now we're paying the price for it now. The
4:37can was kicked down the road, and now we're at the end of the road so we've
4:40got to start replacing things. All taxing districts are budgeted within
4:46the tax cap limit, with the exception of the General Fund. As an example of how
4:53this will impact a resident, the town-wide tax increase for a property valued at a
4:58approximately $720,000 is about 80 cents per day or $288 per year.
5:08The cost for removal of residential solid waste distributed throughout the garbage district
5:14will increase approximately 18 cents per day or $5.25 per month.
5:20The total appropriations for the town operating fund in 2025 are $109,519,600.
5:31That's an increase of $5,893,300 over last year, 2024.
5:40The appropriations of school and town taxes are approximately 55.31% for the school and library.
5:50And 26.04% for the town.
5:54The other 18.65% is attributed to the various special taxing districts, example fire and ambulance.
6:03Notwithstanding rising costs, I refuse to cut corners on public safety.
6:09At 48%, the Riverhead Police Department consumes the largest portion of the tentative general fund budget,
6:17which includes funding for contractual services,
6:20salary increases for our younger force, implementation of body camera technology,
6:28five new vehicles, and new radio equipment needed to maintain compatibility and communication with Suffolk County.
6:35Every time Suffolk County changes their radio systems,
6:39our ambulance, our fire departments, and our police departments have to change their radio systems
6:43in order to be able to be in contact with them.
6:46The tentative 2025 budget does not...
6:50cut any services or programs,
6:52provides funds for the most critical town projects,
6:56and supports staffing to operate the services important to the community and vital to town operations.
7:04Three new positions will be added in 2025.
7:08One in information technology,
7:10one in the community development department,
7:13and one in the planning department.
7:15This proposed budget provides salary increases for existing positions,
7:20which are necessary to attract and retain qualified employees.
7:25We simply cannot afford to lose talented workers.
7:29From the beginning of 2024 to date,
7:33of the 172 full-time positions,
7:37not including the police department,
7:39approximately 30 employees resigned or retired,
7:43several citing salary as the reason for leaving.
7:47Additionally, department heads have repeatedly...
7:49reported difficulty in attracting qualified candidates.
7:54It is my hope that salary increases,
7:56which make up only 7% of the total increase required by this proposed budget,
8:03will assist in attracting qualified workers,
8:06maintaining continuity,
8:08and mitigate attrition.
8:11I want to thank our financial administrator
8:13and town budget officer for their assistance
8:16during this budget process,
8:18along with the town board members.
8:19It is my belief this budget best provides financial stability
8:23for the town of Riverhead going forward,
8:25enhances public safety,
8:27and will afford residents the quality of life they deserve.
8:32So that's the opening memo to the budget.
8:34What we're going to do now is we have a PowerPoint presentation.
8:38I would ask Jeanette DiPolo to come up,
8:42and we'll go over the numbers in the budget during this presentation.
8:49Jeanette DiPolo,
8:51Good morning, everybody.
8:52Good morning.
8:53Okay, so what we'll include in the presentation is,
8:56the first page is basically just a summary of the supervisor's message to the budget,
9:06and then we'll get a little bit more into detail in the next few slides.
9:09But basically, to start it off,
9:11all taxing districts, except for the general fund,
9:14were budgeted within the tax cap limit.
9:17So just the general fund,
9:18and then the tax cap limit.
9:19The general fund is the only one that exceeded the tax cap this year.
9:22The 2025 tentative budget exceeds the 2024 adopted budget by $4.1 million.
9:29The town-wide 2025 tentative budget is 4.14% over the tax cap.
9:36Basically, as the supervisor mentioned,
9:40the increase for a property valued at approximately $720,000
9:44would amount to about $0.80 per day.
9:47Residential waste will increase
9:48less than $5.25 per month,
9:50or $0.18 per day.
9:52Total appropriations for the town operating fund
9:56increased $5.9 million roughly over last year.
10:00And that just summarizes the supervisor's memo.
10:04If you go to the next screen,
10:06so as I said,
10:08the general fund budget is $4.1 million over last year's budget.
10:12So we're focusing on the general fund so we can explain what that increase is.
10:16Basically, it's made up of salaries for PD,
10:21New York State retirement,
10:23the rates increase on every tier this year,
10:26most notably police.
10:29They went up four percentage points this year,
10:32which is common over the last couple of years.
10:34They're going up a lot.
10:35So that's kind of out of our control.
10:38Health insurance also increased.
10:40We had roughly a 14% increase in 2024.
10:44And now for 2025,
10:45we're proposing a 9% increase.
10:48And hopefully that's enough.
10:50But the health insurance rates are going up drastically as well.
10:54We have an increase in debt service.
10:57We have a principal payment that we have to make on this building starting next year.
11:02And that's what the increase is related to for that.
11:05New vehicles.
11:07We have a few in police,
11:09and we have some in B&G or buildings and grounds,
11:12and fire marshal.
11:14Then we have salaries,
11:16non-police department related.
11:18New radios.
11:20And then a slight increase in general liability and property insurance.
11:25So what's that new radios that were front to like all that?
11:29Similar.
11:32It's PD, police department, fire marshal and code all need new radios next year.
11:38County changes there, set up,
11:40and as you know,
11:41through the fire departments and the ambulance,
11:43then you have to change yours to be in contact with them.
11:47Yeah, they changed the bandwidth, I guess.
11:49So in order to communicate with them.
11:51RVAC is getting theirs this year though, I believe,
11:53with the different balance we just did.
11:56So this is really just for police department,
11:58code enforcement and fire marshal.
12:01And just so the public's aware,
12:02these increases with the retirement and the health care,
12:05the health plans,
12:06that's from the state.
12:07Yes.
12:08Yeah, our health insurance is NYSHIP.
12:10We have a small plan also,
12:11I believe it's with MLB.
12:12And they're projected already at 9%.
12:15We can only provide the best guess,
12:17but I look to personnel for that and they're saying,
12:20you have to budget at least 9% this year.
12:22So that's what we're doing.
12:24And the retirement rates,
12:26that's New York State as well.
12:28They send out the projected rates pretty far along into the budget process.
12:32So that was a last minute change.
12:34So we had to increase that basically just about a week and a half ago,
12:38when the rates get released.
12:41but they are going up every year as well.
12:44Jeanette, I have a question.
12:45The property insurance,
12:46what was the increase on that?
12:48Property insurance was a 10% increase
12:52and then the general liability was a 5% increase.
12:55So we looked to our third party insurance broker for those increases.
12:59So she provided us with those estimates.
13:05Okay, so let's go into a little more detail in the general fund.
13:08What we did on this slide was basically just break out,
13:11police department versus non-police,
13:13because the police department is such a big part of our budget.
13:16For the police department,
13:181.4 million in salaries,
13:20contractual salaries and related payroll taxes,
13:23is part of our increase.
13:25400,000 for the New York State retirement rates.
13:28Again, their rates went up about 4 percentage points
13:31from last year to this year.
13:33$250,000 would be related to police department health insurance.
13:38And again, we're estimating the increase to be 9%.
13:41We increased for five new vehicles.
13:44So they already had a little bit of a budget last year for vehicles
13:47and we're just increasing at $175,000 for five new vehicles needed.
13:52And then $150,000 for the new radios
13:55due to the new bandwidth set by Suffolk County.
13:58For non-police,
14:01we have a $400,000 increase for salaries and related payroll taxes.
14:05$400,000 would be for debt service.
14:09$350,000 would be for the new vehicles.
14:11$250,000 for health insurance.
14:13Again, the rate increase up to 9%.
14:16Can you explain the public debt service?
14:18So debt service is basically our principal and interest payments
14:21that we have to make on our debt each year.
14:24Each year we have a debt database that we budget based on
14:29and we can predict out or forecast out
14:32what our payments are going to be for the following year.
14:35So the increase here is basically related to a principal payment
14:39that we have to start making on our 2020 payments.
14:41So we have a $120,000,000 bond anticipated note for this building.
14:44It's actually more than that,
14:46but we had a bit of an increase in last year's budget
14:49because we anticipated bonding improvements for $1.5 million on this building
14:54and we didn't have to.
14:56We had some excess fund balance last year, we're in 2023,
14:59so we ended up paying the $1.5 million in improvements off.
15:02So we didn't have to bond that.
15:04So otherwise the increase would have been larger than that.
15:07So that was a good thing.
15:09We have $225,000 of an increase for new vehicles,
15:14which is fire marshal and buildings and grounds.
15:17And then the New York State retirement rates again,
15:22every tier increased, not as much as police department,
15:26but that's an overall increase of $200,000 for non-police.
15:30And then insurance premiums on general liability and property insurance
15:34were $100,000.
15:36And then the new radios for code enforcement and fire marshal.
15:38So that's $50,000.
15:40And just to break down the salaries and related payroll taxes
15:43a little further for everybody.
15:45So $1.4 million is directly related to police department increases.
15:49$439,700 are contractual increases for non-police.
15:53Merit increases for non-police is $275,400.
15:58Again, this is a little bit more than the $2,000.
16:01So that's $2,000.
16:03And then the new
16:08supervisor mentioned it's 7% of the overall increase year over year.
16:13$203,500, three additional town hall positions.
16:18We reduced the severance budget by $280,000.
16:22We're not really expecting as many people to retire this year.
16:26It's sometimes an unknown, but we feel confident that reducing that was good.
16:33And we also reduced three positions for $222,000.
16:36So basically the three that we're going to talk about today,
16:37we're going to talk about the new
16:38and the three that we added kind of offsets with the three that we reduced by.
16:42And the last slide is really just giving you an estimate of the appropriations
16:49of school and town taxes for the coming year.
16:52We don't really know this exactly yet.
16:54It's an estimate based on
16:57I basically estimated a 2% increase for all the other districts that we don't have yet,
17:02which are the schools and the libraries and the fire districts and Suffolk County.
17:07They could go up more than 2%.
17:09They probably will.
17:10So this is a very conservative estimate to say that the school and library are really about 55.3%
17:17of the overall tax levy that the residents pay.
17:21And then
17:22Residents need to understand we have to base it on a rate increase of 2%
17:27or we base it on 2% because their budget, their calendar year is different than ours,
17:32and we won't have that information in order to present our budget accordingly.
17:36According to law, we won't have that information to do it.
17:39Yeah, I don't see their budgets yet.
17:41So we don't prepare the tax levy until November.
17:43Right.
17:44So this is all estimated.
17:46But it's not going to change all that much.
17:48It's a fairly good estimate.
17:49If anything, it's a little more conservative.
17:51So if anything, school and library will probably go up some,
17:54and then our percentage will go down.
17:56But that's just to point out really to the taxpayers
18:00how much a percentage of your taxes really go to school and library
18:03versus all the other districts, including the town.
18:05And that pretty much sums up the tentative budget.
18:12Does anybody have any questions?
18:15It's hard to have questions because I just got it just now.
18:23But what we can do, we certainly can put this up for discussion again down the road
18:28once you guys have had time to digest this.
18:31But I'm sure, you know, having you work as a district,
18:34having you work as the liaisons with your departments had to help you have a better one.
18:39I wish I had that in my eight years here as a councilman
18:42because that helps you understand the budget a lot more for sure,
18:46and it gives you an active part in it.
18:49I would just say, Supervisor, just to reiterate things you've mentioned,
18:53that Councilman Kern and I are on the personnel committee.
18:57It is very difficult to get people to come to the town
19:01because the salaries are not competitive with other towns
19:04and other jobs.
19:05So it is very difficult and we're constantly going through lists
19:08to get people to come on board out here.
19:11And how many interviews do you have set up and people don't even show up?
19:14That's right.
19:15They're like, Matt, I can't.
19:16It's too much of a cut in pay for me.
19:18And in terms of with the refuse, I know we took the lowest contract.
19:23We are no longer staying with the group we had previously.
19:26We're going with the lowest, best contract.
19:28So I know there's efforts there to save costs.
19:31Absolutely.
19:33Supervisor,
19:34I appreciated the opportunity to be able to work on the budget with you
19:38and Matt, Brittany.
19:40I know how much you guys put into this.
19:42And thank you for all of your hard work.
19:44And thank you, Supervisor, for everything that you did with this budget.
19:48I was able to see how you were trying your best to put a budget together
19:54that we know that people are going to be upset that we had to pierce the cap.
19:59But across the board, across the nation, we have inflation,
20:03and it's more expensive to live today.
20:06And you have a town that needs more police officers and more police cars
20:12and all of our vehicles that need gas, and gas is more expensive.
20:17Things are on the rise.
20:19And this eventually had to come.
20:21Like you said, we've been kicking the can down the road.
20:24And that's the truth.
20:26ABC News had a segment on this morning about the cost of food.
20:32And they said the average American is paying 7% more this year for food
20:37than they were last year.
20:39So that's, I don't mean to compare it to our budget by any means,
20:42but that number makes a lot of sense.
20:45Yeah, I mean, I think it's right to compare it
20:47because that's why it's hard to retain people at the salaries that we're doing.
20:51And we've got to have some parity with other towns.
20:56And I really appreciate that, you know, what you said about the department has,
21:00because you were very clear from the beginning
21:02that, hey, don't come at us with all these, you know, big raises.
21:07Because it's not, you know, it's not going to happen.
21:10And it can't, you know, it can't happen.
21:12You know, the town is faced with the inflation like you're talking about.
21:16And people, you know, I mean, things have got to change.
21:20Especially in New York, the rates are going through the roof.
21:24The insurances and health insurances and regular insurances, incredible.
21:30It's amazing.
21:31Everybody has to, you know, bite the bullet on it.
21:33You have no choice.
21:34And Denise and I get a little bit of a break instead of, you know,
21:38with all these interviews.
21:40It's amazing.
21:41I mean, the turnover rate was getting insane.
21:44Or the number of people that we hire, we train,
21:48and then they leave to go to another agency, similar, but pays better.
21:54And it's, you know, we've wasted not only time and money,
21:57we have to then go out and try to find somebody to hire again.
21:59So we've got to be more flexible.
22:01And we're compatible to the surrounding area, without a doubt.
22:04One of the questions I have, in terms of the overall personnel here in Town Hall,
22:09can we get a listing of, like, how the funds are being allocated?
22:14So each department basically puts up a percentage or an overall cost for personnel,
22:19you know, increase in wages in that department.
22:22But it's been clear in years past that those promises weren't always kept
22:26or not allocated the way the town board thought they were being allocated.
22:30So I want to make sure that the head of each department,
22:33if they say I'm giving each, each, these particular salaries to these particular individuals,
22:38I don't want after the budget to find out that they've changed that format.
22:42No, we met with all the department heads and closed the loop.
22:45I think you missed because you were on vacation,
22:47but I can certainly give you a list of all of the approved merit increases
22:52if you want to see those by individual.
22:54I just want to make sure, because in years past, people would promise things,
22:57and they did not receive them.
22:58Yep. Absolutely.
22:59So we are keeping our word.
23:00So if it's allocated a certain way, then that's the way it will be distributed to the employees.
23:05Yes. I have a detailed list.
23:06So once the budget is adopted, it will go right to personnel
23:10to get the resolutions ready for the new year, that kind of thing.
23:13And then the budget, the other question I would ask is if we can see towards what kind of increase in tax base,
23:19like how we're doing in terms of projects overall going through the planning department
23:23and the building department coming to fruition, how does it change our tax base?
23:27Like, so each year, can we measure?
23:29We measure ourselves.
23:30So are we, in fact, increasing tax growth in the town or not?
23:35So like building inspection fees, that kind of stuff?
23:38More or less like property taxes.
23:40So if a project is approved by the planning department, it comes to fruition,
23:44and the tax roll changes, are we growing?
23:48So with projects flowing through the planning department,
23:51how are we growing in terms of our tax base compared to previous years?
23:55Right.
23:56I think that's a really good point.
23:57I mean, we should really be looking at,
23:59you know, bimonthly, you know, what projects are getting,
24:06being reviewed and getting out.
24:09So we can start to, you know, look at the timelines of things
24:13and figure out how we could maybe, you know, do better in each department
24:18to move these projects forward.
24:21Because it, and, you know, we need to capitalize on the land that we have
24:26that people are looking to build on,
24:28and that's tax revenue, which, you know, helps the taxpayers, period.
24:33That's basically the only relief.
24:35It's absolutely the only relief.
24:37When we discuss the comp plan, then we reduce far ratios and build outs
24:41and preserve land and things like that, all positive things.
24:45But we've got to know that we're getting projects through the planning department
24:48that are increasing the overall tax basis.
24:50I'd really like to see, I'd like to be able to watch that number
24:53to see what it was last year, what it was, you know, this year,
24:56how we could do some type of projections.
24:57Yeah, I mean, I could basically compare the assessed values
25:00from last year to this year by property maybe somehow.
25:03I can work with the assessors on that and then get the information
25:07from building and planning on what properties have you, you know,
25:11I need the tax map probably numbers in order to do that from them.
25:15It's just the only way that I see that we can, you know, change the pattern
25:20of a continuous tax increase is by getting projects through, developed,
25:25and getting them on the tax map.
25:27So, you know, we're waiting on the dream is EPCAL,
25:30but litigation three, five years we say, right?
25:33But what are we doing in terms of a small level to at least make, you know,
25:37steps to getting projects through the planning department?
25:40And, you know, I know we're waiting on EPCAL, but it's, you know, we have what?
25:44Matt, 400 acres outside of EPCAL of industrial, something right around there?
25:51You know, that's, you know, so when we put moratoriums,
25:54we've got to be really careful on what we're doing
25:56because we're putting, we're stopping the clock.
25:59That affects taxpayers, you know, in general, so.
26:04And that's the exact point, Councilman, is that like what,
26:07how are we doing on industrial areas?
26:09So when people are proposing ideas and projects,
26:11are they in fact moving through and are we getting them on the tax rolls?
26:14Okay.
26:17More probably a planning department question, but just trying to say that.
26:19Yeah, it is.
26:20That's the only unit that can soften these numbers.
26:22Right, right.
26:23It's got to be a balance.
26:24And with the complex.
26:25With the comp plan being completed now and the moratorium being lifted
26:28in the industrial areas in Calverton,
26:31you're going to start to see some movement, I'm sure.
26:34And people have been waiting and some people have,
26:36and Bob, I know you've mentioned some people have walked away and said,
26:39I can't wait, I've got to go somewhere else.
26:42But I think we still did the right thing by waiting for the comp plan to be done,
26:47addressing the Calverton and Bading Hollow area, the industrial areas,
26:51and now we're ready to move forward, so.
26:53Yeah.
26:54And I think as we look at that code, we should be in a position to start expediting projects
27:00so that it doesn't take, I know I'm criticized for the guy that wants the shovel in the ground.
27:06Yeah, I do want it in the ground, but I don't want it in six years,
27:09I don't want it in four years, more like two years because that affects the tax revenue three years from now,
27:18not one year or two years.
27:20So we have to be cognizant of that.
27:22Yeah.
27:23And we're doing all this.
27:25Thank you.
27:26Any other questions?
27:30Okay, well happy reading.
27:32And we will thank you, Janette.
27:35Thank you, Janette.
27:36Great job.
27:37We will have a future discussion on this if need be at a work session and we'll take it from there.
27:43Okay, next up we have matters surrounding Elite Tower's installation of the cell tower
27:51at Wading River Farm.
27:52Headquarters, Mack Daughters, come on up.
27:55Hello.
27:56And anybody from the tier four, come on up.
28:00Yes.
28:01Wow.
28:02Greg Alvarez.
28:03You've got a lot of company today.
28:04We have a lot of company.
28:05I'm going to sit down here in case .
28:07We do.
28:08You guys are here?
28:09Yeah, you can have seats.
28:10Yeah, you can.
28:11Yeah, this is fine.
28:12That's good.
28:13How's everybody doing today?
28:15Good.
28:16Good?
28:17Well.
28:18Okay, good.
28:19I'm so glad this just happened.
28:20You have no idea.
28:21Yeah.
28:22So I distributed staff reports to everybody on the 19th.
28:25Pretty lengthy.
28:26I'll summarize today just so we understand what's happening here.
28:29This is for a cell tower at the Wading River Fire District headquarters.
28:33That's at 1503 North Country Road in Wading River.
28:37So what they're proposing is a 190 foot concealment pole, which I think IT should have a plan
28:42that they can show up so everyone can see what it looks like.
28:45Page seven.
28:46I bet.
28:47Daniel, the fire commissioner wants to join us?
28:48Okay.
28:49Well, when it comes to . . .
28:50Just shout out.
28:51Yeah, so 190 foot concealment pole.
28:52When a concealment pole is, that means all the antennas are inside, so you're not seeing
28:53the antennas hanging on the outside.
28:54What you do see are a couple whip antennas, so those are the fire district communication
28:55antennas at the top.
28:56So the overall height above 190 of the tower is 213, and then there's another set of antennas
28:57as you come down.
28:58So four antennas at 75 feet, three antennas at 95, and then Verizon wireless is going
28:59to be at the center line at . . .
29:00Okay.
29:01So that's the first one.
29:02Okay.
29:03So the second one is going to be at the center line at . . .
29:04Okay.
29:05So the third one is going to be at the center line at . . .
29:06Okay.
29:07So the third one is going to be at the center line at . . .
29:20Okay.
29:21So just so we know what's surrounding the area, you've got the fire district, building
29:26obviously, Waiting River Congregational Church, St. John's, the Baptist Roman Catholic churches
29:31in the area, and then the River head town line is just a couple properties behind us
29:35with the full head of what's head head head head head head head head head head head
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29:44better? He's going to back away as he does watch. So page two just aerial photograph in a street view of the fire district.
29:54Obviously we have a very hefty plan set that the board got as well as a
29:59planning study done by VHB which kind of outlines the whole thing. In terms of
30:05secret this is a this is a type one action pursuant to our town code so
30:09that's a mandatory 30-day coordination period. Involved agencies in this case
30:14would be the Planning Commission, State Office of Historic and Preservation and
30:19DEC and then interested agencies would be the town of Brookhaven and the
30:22Wading River Civic Association. Moving this forward we'll have a resolution to
30:28classify the action pursuant to SICRA and then start that lead agency
30:31coordination so we can start the clock on this because you have to do that 30
30:33days. And then in terms of zoning if the board's not already aware wireless
30:39communications towers and antennas are not specially permitted, permitted or
30:43permitted to search for use of
30:44! within the RB 80 zoning district. The applicant has included an analysis
30:47within the application requesting limited government immunity from zoning
30:51subject to the Monroe balancing test which I'll go through in a minute. In
30:56terms of the application itself what we asked for is a complete application what
31:00would be required if it was allowed by code. So they've given us all the plans all
31:04the studies that we would normally ask for. In terms of the things that it
31:09doesn't comply with just within terms of setbacks it doesn't meet the hundred
31:14or hundred meter or height pursuant to code. It doesn't meet the separation
31:17distance between towers which is 25,000 linear feet and then it doesn't have a
31:22eight foot security fence around the base. So just to understand the Monroe
31:27balancing tests a little bit more there is a nice legal member it's called a
31:31legal memorandum LU 14 governmental immunity from zoning so that's from the
31:35New York State Department of State it was last updated in 2020 limited
31:39government immunity may apply to the subject application if found appropriate
31:42by the town board. So a point is made.
31:42Thank you.
31:44We would have a public hearing to do what's called the Monroe balancing test. We'd have
31:47testimony from the applicant. The applicant would go through what are those
31:51following nine criteria and then we'd hear testimony from the public and then the
31:56town board would need to decide by resolution to what extent this
31:59application could be immune from the zoning requirements of the town.
32:04Moving on.
32:08Just in terms of commenting on some of those things though people that are might not be
32:13familiar with the application.
32:13Yeah.
32:14So the area if you're on the Jane's Port side of town and so forth tower needs to be closer perhaps to other towers simply due to the terrain.
32:22Correct.
32:22So it's a whoever is in a hold out of the bottom.
32:25Okay and in terms of the the setback and the fencing and so forth this is really a
32:30protected space it is directly behind the firehouse it's really only accessed
32:35by your fire department members and really quite frankly you'd have to jump
32:39up over a wall to get to it anyway so it's a it's a very protected area so it's a
32:43very protected area.
32:44So it's not a cell tower that is in an open field and accessible by kids.
32:48I think that entire area is monitored by video as well so problems and so forth can be quickly
32:54addressed you know by security means.
32:57So I think that when we're concerned about some of those variances so to speak I really
33:02think if you're familiar with the lay of the land you'll find that it's really not that
33:06concerning.
33:07Yeah that's the purpose of the test.
33:08Matt can I while you're on the zoning courts town zoning I mean to me this is a very important
33:13thing to consider.
33:14You know an emergency these are people that are dealing with emergencies so I've been
33:18inside that fire firehouse I couldn't use my cell phone so if there are people if you're
33:24a fireman inside that firehouse and somebody's trying to reach them or they're trying to
33:28reach out they can't you get an SOS.
33:30Yeah so it's not even just not to interrupt you Bob it's not even just cell service the
33:34radio service is poor too so once we go through that's the focus of this.
33:38Yeah but should we be changing the zoning and you know I mean.
33:41It's something that could to consider by the town board.
33:42Yeah.
33:43The Monroe balancing test the beauty of that like there's there's special cases like this
33:47where it would be appropriate to consider just for the public safety factor and the
33:50real need to you know find something immune from zoning so.
33:54Yeah so if I could explain the Monroe balancing test so certain government acts are immune
34:00from zoning so we recognize that there is immunity that they're looking for from the
34:07zoning regulations and the way that this is determined is by the town board to figure
34:13out if they're going to be.
34:13Exempt from the local zoning regulations by balancing of public interest so there's nine
34:20factors they come from the matter of county of Monroe or city of Rochester that's where
34:26they first determine the factors there are nine factors and they go through which I'm
34:30sure Matt will speak about shortly but they go through consideration of all the topics
34:37that you're bringing up public safety and sit topics like that that's what you'll be
34:42hearing about.
34:43Yeah during the public hearing if you choose that a public hearing on this topic the applicants
34:48will talk about all the ways that they meet the Monroe balancing test and then you'll
34:53issue a written decision after that determining if they met those factors which would exempt
34:58them from the local zoning regulations that are in place right now.
35:02Or to the extent you want them to be.
35:03I can just speak of one example I know personally if you're in the waiting river Roman Catholic
35:08Church you don't have cell service and there was an incident I was attending mass and somebody
35:12had a heart attack.
35:13I had a heart issue and you couldn't contact the fire department is right down the road
35:17literally right down the road and they had difficulty getting everyone there to help
35:22they did eventually get the individual treatment but literally just run down from the church
35:28to the fire department that's what somebody would have had to do as opposed to get on
35:32the phone to contact and get help it's absolutely needed in that area.
35:38Matt this is one of the concerns which cell towers are the collapse zone.
35:42Correct.
35:43And from what I understand a lot of the towers now are they come down so they don't it's not
35:49a fall over.
35:50So this is a look at an area around the length of those.
35:54Yeah these are much safer it should have and it almost I'm sure it has happened somewhere
35:59but it it's rare that it would even happen to begin with.
36:04Very rare and this tower is too designed to fall I believe it's a 65 feet below the top.
36:09Yes.
36:10So the top if it if it was under such stress that it would need to collapse the top half
36:13of the tower would fall off which would fully meet that 100 percent.
36:16Right so it's a breakaway so like if we did get a major hurricane in the area it's going
36:21to separate based on you know the top portion may break away first then the secondary portion
36:27you're not going to get a full tower that's going to come down so when there's there are
36:30you know concerns by residents that have expressed the waiting river congregational church is
36:35very close but it the way it is designed it cannot fall you know on an intact pattern
36:41and land or anything.
36:42Right.
36:43So it's a very rare case where you know if you're going to have a major hurricane and
36:44then you're going to have to go back and impeach somebody else's property because the top
36:45is going to break away first then you'd have to break away the middle section then then
36:50the base itself so in terms of the collapse area it's much smaller in terms of its distance.
36:55Right.
36:56So I mean and we're talking a catastrophic failure in that case I mean very rare but
37:01you know you have to plan for these eventualities so just to I will go I'll just list the nine
37:06factors of the Monroe balancing test I'll leave it to the applicant if you guys choose
37:09to have a public hearing because they'll really go through how they meet everything.
37:12Okay.
37:13So the first one is the land use or function involved but that is appendix I think it's
37:14appendix in the VHB document I think it's appendix H or I.
37:15It's page five in the staff report if that's easier.
37:16Yeah.
37:17So the nature and scope of the instrument instrumentality seeking immunity is number
37:18one.
37:19So it's appendix I.
37:20Appendix I.
37:21The encroaching government's legislative grant of authority the kind of land use or function
37:36involved the effect of local land use regulation would have upon the enterprise concerned alternative
37:41locations for this facility and land use.
37:42So the first one is the land use or function involved the effect of local land use regulation
37:43would have upon the enterprise concerned alternative methods of providing the proposed
37:44improvement the extent of the public interest to be served by the improvements and then
37:49the last one intergovernmental participation in the project development process and opportunity
37:54to be heard.
37:55So it's a pretty robust test that they'll have to establish to the town board and the
37:58town board will need to make an informed decision what extent to you know if they choose to
38:03exclude them from the zoning regulations.
38:06Is the Monroe hearing required to be held in the town board?
38:09Yes.
38:10Okay.
38:11So the public hearing is required by us like must we have it?
38:14Yes.
38:15Yes.
38:16That's why I'm saying.
38:17You say if you choose to have it.
38:19That's a public hearing.
38:21Not to choose to have the hearing.
38:22To choose to what if I mean you'd have to decide today if you're going to have a public
38:23hearing to entertain this.
38:24Right.
38:25I don't want to preempt that you're going to decide to have a public hearing because
38:26you would have to do it if you choose to act on the project.
38:31The decision will be to what extent you're going to exempt if at all.
38:35So you can do full exemption.
38:36You can do a partial exemption or you can do no exemption and then obviously the project
38:40wouldn't happen.
38:41Maybe I wasn't clear but this is why I'm saying maybe we need a change in the zoning
38:47code so we don't have to go through this when it in a situation like this which we may not
38:54have another one right now.
38:55Correct.
38:56But it is an emergency situation given what you heard from the councilwoman and my own
39:00experience in that firehouse.
39:02I just thought how do these people communicate?
39:04Yeah.
39:05You know so.
39:07I think it's an important consideration and I have no objection to that.
39:10But I think for this instance where we are this is fine.
39:14I guess this is the appropriate.
39:15I mean right now the applicants are only even being considered for the Monroe balancing
39:19test because they're a fire district which is a political subdivision of the state of
39:24New York.
39:25That government portion of the application is the whole reason why they're allowed to
39:31even get to the Monroe balancing test.
39:32I guess.
39:33Yes.
39:34Let me just turn a little, turn the conversation more.
39:37This is not about putting a cell tower up.
39:40We want to put a cell tower up in Waiting River because we want better cell service
39:42because residents are having.
39:45This is about, I'll switch my hat as a member of the Waiting River Fire Department.
39:50Okay.
39:51I'm working the radios.
39:52We're going into structures.
39:53We're going to housing.
39:54Our radios simply don't work.
39:57We have an, we should have an active structure fire and we are sending our men and women
40:01into these homes to retrieve people, to save life and property.
40:06We need communication.
40:07The chief of the department needs to stand outside and have constant communication.
40:09Okay.
40:10Constant communication towards where his teams are and how they're moving about and
40:14placement of victims, removing victims and so forth.
40:17This is about an emergency conversation.
40:19The same that I'll change my hat again and say, you know, my children are in the fire
40:24department as well.
40:25And I want to know when they go into a burning structure that I have constant communication
40:29with them.
40:30That's what this is ultimately about.
40:32And it's the same aspect within our police department.
40:36Unit 604 goes down, down into the hole.
40:39We always say, going down by the fire.
40:40We always say, going down by the firehouse.
40:40And the churches, they have, they lose communication.
40:44So these bands are about setting up fire radios, police radios, all emergency responses.
40:49The ambulance can communicate.
40:53That's what this is about now.
40:55You say there's a cost to this.
40:56So we don't build it.
40:57To alleviate, I think the fire district commission is doing their best job to help alleviate
41:02the cost to the taxpayers.
41:04Well then within the same poll, they can add cell phone fields.
41:07That ends up benefiting everybody.
41:08And then residents are happy that now, you know, I can tell you that on a daily basis,
41:12I'm parked up, you know, up off of 25A and I have to, you know, on my Bluetooth, I got
41:17to stop all driving and everything because once I go down that hole, I lose the conversation
41:21is over with.
41:23So there's a benefit in terms of all residents just having better cell phone service and
41:27the money that's received that helps pay for this project.
41:30But that is not the reason of this project.
41:32From my standpoint, being in the fire department, the reason for this is to have continuing
41:36emergency communications at all.
41:38All times.
41:39We have school programs in St. John the Baptist Church.
41:43We have children in there.
41:44You can't have your police outside struggling with any type of situation that may be going
41:49inside and not having constant radio communications.
41:52It's the biggest downfall.
41:54If I could add on to what you're saying.
41:57I agree with you 100%.
41:58Our primary purpose is for fire department communications.
42:02Excuse me, I'm losing my place.
42:04Just introduce yourself.
42:05Terry Culhane.
42:06I'm a commissioner on the board of fire departments.
42:08I'm the fire commissioners for Weeding River.
42:10Yes, that is the primary reason.
42:13Our emergency communications with our first responders in the community.
42:17In addition to radio communication, the cell communication is pivotal because a lot of
42:23our medical equipment to shoot or to transmit telemetry to the hospitals is now subverted
42:30because we have no coverage.
42:32For example, someone that's having a heart attack, we have to drive three blocks with
42:36the patient.
42:37We have to drive three blocks to just send that EKG to the hospital for a doctor to look
42:42The third piece is, yes, it is about cell phones.
42:46How many of us in this town use our cell phones as your primary communication device at home?
42:51Nobody has landlines.
42:52Very few do.
42:56That is also an emergency issue because nobody can call 911.
42:59Denise, you had the problem up at the house.
43:05You had one in the firehouse.
43:06Yes.
43:07The fire department actually fall down the staircase, crack his skull open, and he couldn't
43:12get help.
43:13He had to run back into the building to get somebody to help him.
43:16That's what I was going to bring up, that a lot of people don't use landline phones
43:20anymore.
43:21Correct.
43:22This also affects their ability to contact the police, not just the fire department.
43:25This will also help with the new radio systems because you're going to need antenna
43:31sites.
43:32Yes.
43:33It's not just about cell phones.
43:35It is about emergency communications.
43:36It is about emergency response.
43:39But cell phones do play a part in that.
43:41Our medical equipment depends on it, and the community depends on being able to reach a
43:45first responder.
43:46I'm just sorry that the process is going to take so long.
43:49Right.
43:50Understood.
43:51Actually, this will be much ... If the board chooses to find them immune from zoning,
43:55it's a much quicker process.
43:56Well, when can we do that?
43:57Today?
43:58You'd have to have a public hearing first, and then you'd need to make a determination.
43:59Well, I'm going to tell you right now, look at the liability in general.
44:00Yes.
44:01Thank you.
44:02Right?
44:03So, you're going to have to go through this.
44:04Yes.
44:05You're going to have to go through this in general, right?
44:07So, to me, I would have the public ... Oh, we have to ...
44:09We have to have a public hearing.
44:10We have to be certain about it is.
44:11We have to have a public hearing, so ...
44:12Something like this ...
44:13We can schedule it as soon as possible.
44:14Yes.
44:15Something like this happens again.
44:16Yes.
44:17Let's schedule a public hearing way before you even get to hearing, because I did review
44:21this, and I can tell you, I responded right away, this is great, we need this, and that
44:26was what?
44:27Two or three weeks ago.
44:28Yes.
44:29So ...
44:30Look at all the time that's passed away.
44:31And that's my thing.
44:32Look at the time that's passed, and I understand you ...
44:33And our concern is, do we have to wait for someone to die?
44:38No, I get ...
44:39We're totally sorry.
44:40It's about to ... It affects response time, so very often within the fire department,
44:47we get dispatched by FREZ, and sometimes a call is not properly communicated through
44:53dispatch, meaning that if it's just simply a ... What do they call it?
44:59A BLS call type thing, and then all of a sudden, the officer ...
45:03Right.
45:04Arrives on scene, and then finds somebody in full cardiac arrest, or if it's simply
45:07a automatic alarm, and the chief arrives on scene, and thinks that, okay, this is going
45:12to be a standard false alarm, and the chief arrives on scene, opens the door, and they're
45:16full of smoke and fire, it's about then ... Now the chief is in a bad spot, and trying to
45:21access and to request additional personnel to get to that scene, to dispatch.
45:26The chief has removed himself from a communication power, and so with this, that kills the response
45:32time.
45:33Now the chief is trying to get somebody else, literally as the commissioner spoke, to drive
45:37up the hill to make communications, go and send more help.
45:39It's bigger than I thought.
45:40The problem is more severe than I thought.
45:42Absolutely.
45:43We know that minutes save lives.
45:44And five to seven minutes is all we got on a cardiac arrest, and after that, it's not.
45:49And that's the time it takes longer than that to go outside the area to gain help.
45:54It's about life and safety.
45:55Yeah.
45:56So if I can just go through the rest of this, I think we cover a lot of your questions.
45:59I think it's pretty clear that ...
46:00It's very clear.
46:01I think we have a full five members support this.
46:04I'm just going to go through some of the need, just so the public understands how we got
46:08here, and then I think we have what I think is full board support.
46:13All right.
46:14So in terms of the need for the tower, like everyone said, you guys are ahead of the game,
46:17right in the report.
46:18So what's going to happen here is this allows full communication with the district, as Councilman
46:21Rothwell had said.
46:23So the existing equipment that's on top of the water tower on Gerald Street, so that's
46:27the in-between, that's the conduit between the radios that'll be on this tower to a station
46:31too.
46:32So that'll allow your full communication.
46:36That's the number one important factor.
46:38Revenue for the fire district, which we touched on, and then offer communications for other
46:41towns and agencies.
46:42So the town has an opportunity to put their police antennas on top, or the state, whoever
46:48would want to co-locate there.
46:50To what the commissioner had said, there's a service efficiency in Verizon Wireless Cover
46:56Daring and Wading River.
46:59We have a whole RF report to what says why there's not communication.
47:01Why there's not good coverage.
47:03Seventy-one percent of adults live in a wireless-only household.
47:05Two hundred forty million calls are made to 911 in the U.S. with 80 percent or more via
47:09wireless devices.
47:10So that's really the important factor here.
47:13In terms of visual impacts, the applicant has done a visual impact analysis.
47:17That's the review shed analysis, so that's with LIDAR.
47:20It creates a model where it could be seen, because visual impacts are the number one
47:25concern typically with cell towers.
47:26Unless you're dying and you need emergency services.
47:29Yeah.
47:30Okay.
47:31So, you know, the firehouse was a crane on site.
47:32Yeah.
47:34And it was like, it's not even visible really from 25A at that point.
47:37The firehouse in itself was a large structure which sits in front of it.
47:41So even as you're traveling down North Wading River Road and coming up in Country Road,
47:45you're really, it's not that viewable.
47:47No, it's not.
47:48Like you really got to be looking for it.
47:49Yeah.
47:50So it's not a visual impairment within the community.
47:52The model predicted that you'd be able to see it on the northwest and southwest portion
47:55of North Country Road, to the east along North Wading River Road, and then you'd be able to
47:59see it around the duck ponds and from Creek Road.
48:00Okay.
48:01And then you'd be able to see it on the south road.
48:02They then did a one mile visibility study, which counts when that's the flag test on
48:05top of the crane, which was completely in line with what the model predicted with some
48:10additional very minor visualization of it on Broadview Circle, Cambridge Court, Overlook
48:17Drive, Remsen Road, Dogwood Drive, and Zofra Mills Road and Randall Road.
48:21So you can see it very small.
48:23They also did photographic simulations.
48:25So that's actually what you see at the end of the report.
48:27That's they do a little, it's a picture superimposed of what the tower will look like.
48:30So if you see the images from Creek Road, it's about that big from the top of the tree.
48:36And sorry, again, when you did that test, you gave a lot of residents false hope because
48:39they thought the tower was going in that day.
48:41They're like, it's coming, it's here.
48:44Yeah.
48:45Just a test.
48:46So in terms of alternatives, the code does require you to consider alternatives.
48:49So the main alternative to a cell tower is what's called an ODAS system, outdoor distributed
48:54antenna system.
48:55So that's like your net of cell, you know, antennas on a smaller cell, microcell, so
48:59they do it.
49:00They're not going to be on steeples, on telephone poles.
49:03It's just for this, the tower antennas are mounted at a higher level than would transmit
49:07above trees and buildings just because of the topography of that system wouldn't work
49:11as well to allow full connectivity.
49:12There's a lot of hills and trees in the area.
49:14A lot of hills and trees in the area.
49:17So the tower allows you to do that full permeation, allows in-service coverage, and the ODAS system
49:25in this case could really only supplement, it couldn't really be in place of the tower.
49:28We also have a system that allows you to do that in-service coverage.
49:29Okay.
49:29[transcription gap]
49:31Okay.
49:47Okay.
49:47communication issue is the tower adequate reliable network coverage for
49:51Verizon Wireless and fire district in the subject area and the ability to
49:54accommodate the additional wireless carry so it's going to be Verizon that's
49:57coming in but there is space to co-locate which we require by code and
50:02those are the parcels are significantly higher in height correct compared to
50:06where the firehouse sits literally at the low point along with yep so this is
50:10the case of you know balancing public need which I think everyone understands
50:14I guess I just want to add one other thing one issue that you touched on
50:17was revenue yeah I don't want anybody to think that the fire district is
50:21getting rich now it's just offsets costs it not only it just thought you have in
50:26your own budget the amount of money you got to spend on radios we have to do the
50:30same thing in the fire district so we're always trying to keep our tax levy down
50:34as low as possible so that's where that that money is going to it radio
50:40equipment constantly staying up to up to date so I you know I don't want the
50:45public to think they go
50:47so head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
50:48Far from the, it's a very, very small amount of money.
50:53Yep.
50:54All right, so it sounds like everybody's in support,
50:56so I'm going to prepare two resolutions.
50:58One's to classify it as a type 1 action,
51:00so we'll initiate that 30-day coordination period,
51:03and then a second to publish a post for the Monroe hearing,
51:07and then as soon as that hearing is closed,
51:08the town board is able to make a decision.
51:11So we can't get it in Thursday's paper, right?
51:13Like for next week?
51:15Your meeting's on Tuesday? You could.
51:18October 1st.
51:19Yeah, October 1st.
51:20So just to do the, yeah, the publish and post or whatever,
51:24because is the hearing going to be required to be in the evening?
51:27I don't think it's controversial enough to make it an evening one.
51:31That's at your discretion.
51:32I think I personally would request the first available town board meeting.
51:35And we greatly appreciate that.
51:39I just want to say I'm Greg Alvarez, attorney for Lee Towers.
51:43The only thing I would say to that is, as we've talked about,
51:46we have to hit all of those 9.
51:48And we do have some of the folks here, we do have other folks as well.
51:52And so we've already vetted out those other dates that are beyond next week.
51:57So that would be the only reason to perhaps ask for one of those other dates,
52:01just to make sure, because we want to make sure all of our team members are here,
52:04to hit each of those points.
52:06And obviously it's up to your discretion in terms of how much you want to hear.
52:11We will do it at the soonest available time by law.
52:14I mean, we have so many days we have to publish and post.
52:18We have to notify.
52:19So we'll make it as long as you guys are ready with everything that you have to do, we'll do it.
52:24Just be in touch with us or with Matt and let him know.
52:27And we'll do it as soon as we can.
52:28Yes, we've already vetted with Matt the dates after that.
52:30So I believe the date after that was the 16th, I believe.
52:34Yes.
52:34We would be more than ready for that date.
52:36Okay.
52:37Yep.
52:37There's just no way to predict when the next structural fire is.
52:40We just had a very serious structural fire.
52:43We had a house that was just basically almost across the street from the firehouse.
52:47Next to the cemetery and radio communications were in fact a problem.
52:51And so we want to eliminate this issue, the safety concerns.
52:55And we never want to turn down the opportunity to come in sooner rather than later.
52:58So I just wanted to let you know.
53:00As expeditiously as you can do it, we welcome it.
53:02And we thank the board for that.
53:04Yes.
53:04I'd be happy to find a partner in the fire district.
53:06This is insane.
53:07Police and fire have no communication.
53:10It is.
53:10It's ridiculous.
53:11This is like, you know, 1400s.
53:15You've got to run down with a book.
53:17And we don't have cyber.
53:17We don't have networks to bang our nightsticks on.
53:22Old school, old school.
53:23Yep.
53:23All right.
53:24Careful, Terry.
53:24You're dating yourself.
53:25So again, if next week works better, just to understand that perhaps we won't have all
53:29of our team members.
53:30That's fine.
53:30But certainly we have our reports.
53:31Absolutely.
53:32So what will happen on Tuesday is there will be a published post-resolution.
53:35So that will be to schedule.
53:36And it will be to schedule on the 16th.
53:38So that would be when the hearing will start.
53:39Okay.
53:40Okay.
53:40Very good.
53:41Very good.
53:41Appreciate it.
53:42And then we can make a decision shortly thereafter.
53:43Thank you.
53:44Excellent.
53:44And for the public, we have three waiting river fire commissioners here.
53:47Yes.
53:47Yes.
53:47On Tuesday, I thank you guys for your service.
53:49Can I just say one thing, Mr.
53:50Yes.
53:50Come on up.
53:51Tim Devaney, commissioner from Redding River.
53:54Yeah.
53:54Just use the.
53:54Come on.
53:55Here.
53:55Come on.
53:55Or use the podium.
53:57Just a quick thing.
53:58Tim Devaney.
53:59He was the waiting river fire district for a number of years.
54:01Back in 2007, we worked on putting a cell tower up.
54:07I forget the company's name out in South Hampton.
54:10We moved along and moved along.
54:12Did soil compactions.
54:14Did this and did that.
54:15There was a couple of board members at the time.
54:17That really weren't in favor of it.
54:19Because we were afraid of the public.
54:21Okay.
54:22And I get it.
54:23You know, it's tough to, you know, I don't want to say push over the public.
54:28But this is a serious situation.
54:30Absolutely.
54:31Okay.
54:32And I'm glad everybody's on board.
54:33Because 2024, almost 25, we did this back in 07.
54:38I went in for quintuple bypass in the beginning of 08.
54:42I come back and my next meeting at the fire house.
54:44And they put it to bed.
54:45They stopped everything.
54:46I was like, why?
54:47Why did you do this?
54:48You know, this is an important feature that we need, you know, for our members.
54:52Like we just discussed here.
54:54So I just want to say, here we are, you know, 15, 8, 17 years later, whatever.
54:59And we're trying to attack it now.
55:01You know, so that's what I want to say.
55:02I'll just add to that.
55:03The difference is now many, many more people do not have landline phones.
55:07Correct.
55:08Right.
55:09That's really changed in the last 20 years.
55:10Yeah.
55:11But we're just afraid of the public being, oh, you know, well, I'm going to get voted in again.
55:14Can I put a cell tower up in our fire station?
55:17I mean, that's a different industry, you know.
55:18From a planning perspective, this makes sense.
55:20So, you know, in times past, over the past 20 years, cell towers, I feel like the controversy has really changed since most people use them now.
55:28They were very controversial when they first came in.
55:30So, I mean, it's important that we locate them.
55:33We just want to locate them in the correct places.
55:35This is a shining example of a place where it makes sense.
55:38Right.
55:39I think back then, I think they didn't fall like we talked about.
55:42Correct.
55:43The whole structure fell over onto the church.
55:45You typically didn't have as many flies.
55:46Right.
55:47You had to have a whole zone thing and everything like that.
55:49The newer technology now would be they fall within themselves.
55:51Absolutely.
55:52Correct.
55:53Well, the safety of the residents and the safety of the first responders are the most important thing for this town.
55:58Absolutely.
55:59Not a doubt.
56:00Yep.
56:01That's all.
56:02Thank you very much.
56:03Appreciate your time.
56:04Thanks, everybody.
56:05Sorry it took so long.
56:06No, there's no problem.
56:07I will get all that into a minute track and it will be in your packet.
56:09Great.
56:10Good.
56:11Thank you very much.
56:12You know that?
56:13Yeah.
56:14Absolutely.
56:15It's a good idea.
56:16I would have to pay for it for one town.
56:17That's how these tend to go.
56:18Yes.
56:19All right.
56:20Thank you.
56:21Thank you, everybody.
56:22Thank you, gentlemen.
56:23Thank you, guys.
56:24Thank you.
56:25Thank you.
56:26I'd call you, but I can't.
56:27Okay.
56:28That concludes our open session.
56:29We're now going to move on to resolutions.
56:30And, Devin, if you would please come up and read off the resolution.
56:31Okay.
56:32Thank you.
56:33[transcription gap]
56:45Okay.
56:46So, we'll read off the resolution.
56:47Okay.
56:48Good morning, everyone.
56:49Good morning.
56:50If everybody's ready to go, we'll get started.
56:57Resolution number one authorizes the removal of fixed assets.
57:04Number two.
57:05Police department accepts donation of two motorcycles from Suffolk County.
57:09Baker and Poncherello are coming to town.
57:12I just want to thank Ken Rothwell for his work.
57:15With the Suffolk County Executive's Office and making this happen, they have donated
57:22two Harley-Davidson motorcycles, 2020s.
57:25They're used from their fleet.
57:27But when they turn them in, they're in really good shape.
57:29And then they buy new ones.
57:32And Ken set this up and got the county to donate them.
57:35So we're going to have two nice Harley-Davidson's coming up.
57:40And our officers have been trained.
57:41They went to the academy and got their training ready for them.
57:42So, we're going to have two nice Harley-Davidson's coming up.
57:43And our officers have been trained.
57:44They're in really good shape.
57:45They're ready for them.
57:46Exactly.
57:47So we've already got officers trained.
57:48We've got them outfitted with uniforms and so forth.
57:53Leather jackets, helmets, all necessary.
57:55Bridges, suits.
57:56Boots.
57:57Again, I just also want to personally and publicly thank, and we'll have that opportunity
58:02once we get these motorcycles striped and so forth with our logos on it.
58:08But I got to personally thank County Executive Ed Romaine right from the get-go.
58:14He has wanted to build a relationship between the Suffolk County Police Department and the
58:18Riverhead Police Department.
58:19And it's always been a great relationship.
58:20But just like a more, this is personal.
58:23And so we have not had motorcycle units in a long time.
58:27We had one bike that's way aged out and it's not safe and not usable.
58:34And I commend our officers for stepping forward and taking your training.
58:38They all said they had one of the greatest times.
58:39They actually went through the academy with Nassau County Police Department.
58:42And they were traveling all around New York City and going up Westchester over bridges.
58:48They had an incredible time.
58:49But I feel that they returned experts in motorcycle safety.
58:54So I'm confident.
58:55But this is a great community outreach program.
58:58It's a great policing program.
58:59It's much easier to position a bike somewhere as opposed to police cars.
59:04And I'm excited about it.
59:05And I just think it's also going to be a great public perception for us in our parades, our
59:11communications, our COPE units and so forth.
59:12And having these available is similar to our K-9 units.
59:15So our police department continuously steps up and offers its volunteers to participate.
59:21Thank you County Executive Ed Romaine.
59:23Thank you for mentioning Supervisor.
59:25They also teach you in this class, in the training, how to lay the bike down.
59:30Should you feel the need you're going to crash, they teach you how to safely lay it down and
59:35they make them do that, which is pretty incredible.
59:38But not our bikes.
59:39We're not scratching our bikes.
59:40No, no, no, no.
59:41But they do have protection.
59:42They do have protection on them for that.
59:43They have a roll bar system on them that allows them to do that.
59:46Does the supervisor get to ride that motorcycle?
59:47No, the supervisor will watch.
59:48I want to see you lay that down.
59:49Supervisor is not a fan of motorcycles.
59:50I like a lot of metal around me when I'm driving down the road.
59:57And kudos to the guys that do it.
59:59But the brave souls.
1:00:00I would take my Harley out and go for a ride with them.
1:00:03So absolutely yes.
1:00:04Okay.
1:00:05Resolution number three.
1:00:06Authorization for one police department employee to attend a training course.
1:00:07Okay.
1:00:08Thank you.
1:00:09[transcription gap]
1:00:14Number four.
1:00:15Authorization for one police department employee to attend a training course.
1:00:16A different one.
1:00:17This one is the drug recognition expert.
1:00:19Yeah, this teaches them how to tell if you're high on drugs as opposed to high on alcohol.
1:00:27We're only sending one right now.
1:00:29It's a very lengthy and involved class.
1:00:32Really?
1:00:35I think that particular officer, though, could be called in at any given time as well.
1:00:39Correct.
1:00:40So use that.
1:00:41We have one now.
1:00:42And this will be a second one we can use.
1:00:45Resolution number five.
1:00:46Appoints a call in recreation aid two to the recreation department.
1:00:51Number six.
1:00:52Same thing.
1:00:53Appoints a call in recreation aid two to the recreation department.
1:00:58Resolution number seven.
1:00:59Amends a portion of resolution 2024-459 adopted on May 22nd, 2024.
1:01:05We couldn't have called you anyway, Terry.
1:01:08To correct the salary of a seasonal recreational aid.
1:01:09Okay.
1:01:10Thank you.
1:01:11We'll head over to you next.
1:01:12[transcription gap]
1:01:24We'll head over to you next.
1:01:25[transcription gap]
1:01:33named highway employees.
1:01:39Number 11, promotes an employee
1:01:41to a highway labor crew leader.
1:01:47Number 12, promotes an employee
1:01:49to construction equipment operator.
1:01:54Number 13, promotes an employee
1:01:56to construction equipment operator.
1:01:58Number 14, promotes an employee
1:02:03to heavy equipment operator.
1:02:05All these go hand in hand with the first one you read
1:02:08about the salary increases for the highway workers.
1:02:13Number 15, promotes an employee
1:02:15to construction equipment operator.
1:02:20Number 16, promotes an employee
1:02:22to heavy equipment operator.
1:02:28Number 17, authorizes the town clerk
1:02:30to republish and post notice to bidders
1:02:32for one 2024 Mack Model MD642 dump truck
1:02:36for Riverhead Water District.
1:02:39We're going to repost the bids
1:02:41and hopefully get more responses from that.
1:02:44Number 18, ratifies authorization
1:02:46for Goodman Marks Associates, Inc.
1:02:47to conduct an appraisal of town property.
1:02:54Number 19, authorizes the supervisor
1:02:56to execute license agreement
1:02:58with the Butterfly Effect Project
1:02:59for use of the Riverhead Senior Center.
1:03:05Number 20, approves the final version
1:03:07of the CSCA 2023 through 2025 contract.
1:03:11About time.
1:03:15Number 21, approves the United States Department
1:03:17of the Interior Fish and Wildlife Service access
1:03:20for Hi-Fi water level logging equipment
1:03:22at Wading River Boat Ramp.
1:03:28Number 22, grants preliminary approval
1:03:31for the site plan application
1:03:32entitled Hildreth Real Estate Advisors,
1:03:35Calverton 1001 Scott Avenue, Calverton,
1:03:38Suffolk County Tax Map number 600-135.1-1-1.
1:03:49Resolution number 23, authorizes town clerk
1:03:51to publish and post public notice
1:03:53to consider a local law to amend Chapter 237,
1:03:56Section 4 of the Riverhead Town Council,
1:03:57entitled Removal and Return of Abandoned Carts.
1:03:59And this is in section 24 of the Riverhead Town Code,
1:04:01entitled Permit Procedures.
1:04:02The board will recall we talked about this
1:04:04at the last work session.
1:04:05We're going to raise the road opening permit fee
1:04:07from 200 to $300.
1:04:13Number 24, authorizes town clerk to publish and post notice
1:04:18to consider a local law to amend Chapter 269, section 5
1:04:22of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Removal and Return
1:04:25of Abandoned Carts.
1:04:26And this is in section 24.
1:04:27And this also is going to touch on a fee increase
1:04:30from 125 to 175.
1:04:34Number 25, adopts a local law to amend Chapter 263
1:04:37of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Rental Dwelling Units.
1:04:45Number 26, adopts a local law amending Chapter 289-6
1:04:49of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Turns.
1:04:52That's the no right turn off a chromer onto 58.
1:04:55Mm-hmm.
1:04:56Eight.
1:04:56That's right.
1:04:57Number 27, pays the bills.
1:05:01Bob doesn't like that resolution.
1:05:04That right turn.
1:05:05All I thought was pay the bills.
1:05:06That's what I thought it was.
1:05:07Oh, the pay the bills?
1:05:08Yeah.
1:05:11Number 28, authorizes the supervisor
1:05:12to execute a license agreement with American Cancer Society
1:05:16for special event.
1:05:21Number 29, town board promotes and appoints
1:05:23a police lieutenant, Danielle Wilsey,
1:05:25to captain of the Riverhead Police Department.
1:05:27Number 29, she's head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
1:05:57Number 33, reclassifies Ken Testa's assistant town engineer position number 08-1162-31 to town engineer.
1:06:08Number 34, amends terms and conditions of employment for Ken Testa, town engineer, and authorizes supervisor to execute an agreement.
1:06:16That was a tough one to put together because he already does everything, so how do you just say does everything?
1:06:21It was, yeah, it was, had to work with civil service, but they granted us the position of a second-in-town engineer, which is rarely done, and we really appreciate it because by separating them up, we can get a lot more done with the two groups.
1:06:41Resolution number 35, authorizes the supervisor to execute a stipulation of settlement with Civil Service Employees Association, Inc., Local 1000, AFS, CME, AFL-CIO,
1:06:51Riverhead Union, and the City of San Francisco.
1:06:51Resolution number 36, authorizes the supervisor to execute a settlement with Civil Service Employees Association, Inc., Local 1000, AFS, CME, AFL-CIO, Riverhead Union, and the City of San Francisco.
1:07:21Resolution number 37, authorizes the supervisor to execute a settlement with Civil Service Employees Association, Inc., Local 1000, AFS, CME, AFL-CIO, Riverhead Union, and the City of San Francisco.
1:07:29A grievance was filed by the union, I believe it was last November, December.
1:07:35We had a person in the sewer district who was leaving,
1:07:41and the sewer district wasn't going to have a clerical person for approximately 10 to 14 days.
1:07:47So we had that person doing some part-time work until another employee was transferred to take over that position.
1:07:54The CSEA filed a grievance over that.
1:07:57This simply settles it.
1:07:58The settlement agreement, in effect, says that the town doesn't waive its position that it did the right thing.
1:08:09CSEA doesn't waive its position that we should have had an agreement with them over at first,
1:08:15and it simply withdraws the case.
1:08:18It's essentially, yeah, more or less.
1:08:23Thanks, Evan.
1:08:24No problem.
1:08:28Okay, resolution number 36 ratifies the authorization for the supervisor to execute an MOA with CSEA Local 1000,
1:08:36AFSCME, AFL-CIO, Riverhead Unit of the Suffolk Local 852,
1:08:41Riverhead Town Police Benevolent Association, and Riverhead Town Superior Officers Association.
1:08:46And that's regarding the dental plan.
1:08:48And that's it.
1:08:50Thank you, Charlie.
1:08:52I'm going to say his name wrong.
1:08:54Asari.
1:08:54Asari for bringing that dental plan to the town.
1:08:58Better?
1:09:00And less expensive.
1:09:01And less expensive.
1:09:04They worked hard on that.
1:09:05Pounding my head to get it done.
1:09:09Chewing my teeth.
1:09:11All right.
1:09:11That concludes our open session for today.
1:09:13In a moment, I'm going to ask to close it, and we'll go into executive session to discuss contractual matters,
1:09:21matters surrounding contractual agreement with parking consultant.
1:09:24That will be with Thomas and Diapola.
1:09:28Matters surrounding...
1:09:29Possible sale of real estate property, Thomas and Prudente.
1:09:33Matters sounding contractual agreement for website services, Kremborg.
1:09:39And matters surrounding agreement for electric car charges, Kern and Howard.
1:09:43So, that being it for executive session, I'd like to make a motion that we close open session and go into executive session.
1:09:51So moved.
1:09:52Seconded.
1:09:53All in favor?
1:09:54All opposed?
1:09:55Okay.
1:09:56Open session is closed.
1:09:57We will now be heading into...
1:09:58To executive session.
1:10:00Everybody have a great weekend.
1:10:03I think this weekend, Rivet has their homecoming football game and parade downtown.
1:10:10So, be sure to stop out if you're available.
1:10:13It's always a good time to see the floats and cheer on the local home team.
1:10:16Have a great...
1:10:17What?
1:10:17Oh, I'm sorry.
1:10:18Go ahead.
1:10:18And the Wading River Chamber of Commerce is also having a fall festival Sunday over at the Eastwind Commons over there.
1:10:25It should be a great day.
1:10:26Perfect.
1:10:27And I believe tonight is the last night.
1:10:28For Riverhead Unites, the anti-bias task force.
1:10:32I left today the 29th.
1:10:33Yes, it is.
1:10:35Right?
1:10:36Yeah, where's the one tonight?
1:10:37Through the weekend.
1:10:38Through the weekend?
1:10:40Okay.
1:10:40Is it?
1:10:41I had it until Friday, tomorrow.
1:10:44Okay.
1:10:45Well, it's going on.
1:10:46Yeah, go to our...
1:10:48The Chamber of Commerce.
1:10:49RivetChamber.com.
1:10:51And they'll have the schedule of who has what, where, and when.
1:10:55Great opportunity.
1:10:56So, enjoy everybody.
1:10:58Have a great weekend.
1:11:00Thank you.
1:11:00[transcription gap]

Full Transcript

Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you, Terry. Thank you. Okay, we have two items on for open session today. Matters surrounding the 2025 tentative budget, and we have second matter on matters surrounding elite towers installation of the cell tower at the Wading River Fire Department headquarters, and Matt Charters will be leading the town with us on that. All right, so we had a town board special meeting, special session a short time ago, and I presented the board members with the 2025 tentative budget, so they now have that in their possession. It is posted online, and I'm going to start out by reading the memo that I have included in all of the tentative budgets. And it says, Dear Town Clerk and fellow town board members, as supervisor and chief financial officer of the town of Riverhead, and in accordance with section 106 of New York State Town Law, I am pleased to present for your consideration the town of Riverhead 2025 tentative budget. I believe my single biggest responsibility to the residents of Riverhead is the formulation of the annual budget. I collaborated with department heads, elected officials, and senior staff over every line, and meticulously weighed and considered every decision. And I will say that with the department heads, when we first started the budget process, I informed them that this was going to be a really, really tough year, and I asked them to please, not give me outrageous requests, because all it was going to do was lengthen the time that it would take to do the budget, because they would have been sent back right away and removing a lot of those items. I commend my department heads, because I think they did a fantastic job, and what they presented was a basic no-thrill, no-frills budget, albeit we still had to go through it with a fine-tooth comb, and we did get the red pen out, and we still made some cuts, but I appreciate the fact that they didn't give us an inflated budget for each of their departments. They did a very good job with that, so I want to thank them. Okay, just as the price of a box of cereal or a stick of butter have increased, so too have the costs to run the town. The town-wide 2025 budget is 4.14% over the tax cap, due in large part to increases to insurance premiums and retirement systems, contributions, and in fact, several surrounding municipalities will find the need to also pierce the tax cap for 2025. Riverhead also has contractual obligations, faces the need to replace old vehicles, and must perform required maintenance and improvements to aging infrastructure and related equipment. And I will say that in years past, it's always great to put up a budget with no tax increase, but you're going to pay for it, and you're going to have to pay for it. So, I'm going to say that, in the next few years, we're going to have to pay for it. going to pay for it somewhere, and unfortunately, that was done maybe one, two, one or two, too many times, and now we're paying the price for it now. The can was kicked down the road, and now we're at the end of the road so we've got to start replacing things. All taxing districts are budgeted within the tax cap limit, with the exception of the General Fund. As an example of how this will impact a resident, the town-wide tax increase for a property valued at a approximately $720,000 is about 80 cents per day or $288 per year. The cost for removal of residential solid waste distributed throughout the garbage district will increase approximately 18 cents per day or $5.25 per month. The total appropriations for the town operating fund in 2025 are $109,519,600. That's an increase of $5,893,300 over last year, 2024. The appropriations of school and town taxes are approximately 55.31% for the school and library. And 26.04% for the town. The other 18.65% is attributed to the various special taxing districts, example fire and ambulance. Notwithstanding rising costs, I refuse to cut corners on public safety. At 48%, the Riverhead Police Department consumes the largest portion of the tentative general fund budget, which includes funding for contractual services, salary increases for our younger force, implementation of body camera technology, five new vehicles, and new radio equipment needed to maintain compatibility and communication with Suffolk County. Every time Suffolk County changes their radio systems, our ambulance, our fire departments, and our police departments have to change their radio systems in order to be able to be in contact with them. The tentative 2025 budget does not... cut any services or programs, provides funds for the most critical town projects, and supports staffing to operate the services important to the community and vital to town operations. Three new positions will be added in 2025. One in information technology, one in the community development department, and one in the planning department. This proposed budget provides salary increases for existing positions, which are necessary to attract and retain qualified employees. We simply cannot afford to lose talented workers. From the beginning of 2024 to date, of the 172 full-time positions, not including the police department, approximately 30 employees resigned or retired, several citing salary as the reason for leaving. Additionally, department heads have repeatedly... reported difficulty in attracting qualified candidates. It is my hope that salary increases, which make up only 7% of the total increase required by this proposed budget, will assist in attracting qualified workers, maintaining continuity, and mitigate attrition. I want to thank our financial administrator and town budget officer for their assistance during this budget process, along with the town board members. It is my belief this budget best provides financial stability for the town of Riverhead going forward, enhances public safety, and will afford residents the quality of life they deserve. So that's the opening memo to the budget. What we're going to do now is we have a PowerPoint presentation. I would ask Jeanette DiPolo to come up, and we'll go over the numbers in the budget during this presentation. Jeanette DiPolo, ! Good morning, everybody. Good morning. Okay, so what we'll include in the presentation is, the first page is basically just a summary of the supervisor's message to the budget, and then we'll get a little bit more into detail in the next few slides. But basically, to start it off, all taxing districts, except for the general fund, were budgeted within the tax cap limit. So just the general fund, and then the tax cap limit. The general fund is the only one that exceeded the tax cap this year. The 2025 tentative budget exceeds the 2024 adopted budget by $4.1 million. The town-wide 2025 tentative budget is 4.14% over the tax cap. Basically, as the supervisor mentioned, the increase for a property valued at approximately $720,000 would amount to about $0.80 per day. Residential waste will increase less than $5.25 per month, or $0.18 per day. Total appropriations for the town operating fund increased $5.9 million roughly over last year. And that just summarizes the supervisor's memo. If you go to the next screen, so as I said, the general fund budget is $4.1 million over last year's budget. So we're focusing on the general fund so we can explain what that increase is. Basically, it's made up of salaries for PD, New York State retirement, the rates increase on every tier this year, most notably police. They went up four percentage points this year, which is common over the last couple of years. They're going up a lot. So that's kind of out of our control. Health insurance also increased. We had roughly a 14% increase in 2024. And now for 2025, we're proposing a 9% increase. And hopefully that's enough. But the health insurance rates are going up drastically as well. We have an increase in debt service. We have a principal payment that we have to make on this building starting next year. And that's what the increase is related to for that. New vehicles. We have a few in police, and we have some in B&G or buildings and grounds, and fire marshal. Then we have salaries, non-police department related. New radios. And then a slight increase in general liability and property insurance. So what's that new radios that were front to like all that? Similar. It's PD, police department, fire marshal and code all need new radios next year. County changes there, set up, and as you know, through the fire departments and the ambulance, then you have to change yours to be in contact with them. Yeah, they changed the bandwidth, I guess. So in order to communicate with them. RVAC is getting theirs this year though, I believe, with the different balance we just did. So this is really just for police department, code enforcement and fire marshal. And just so the public's aware, these increases with the retirement and the health care, the health plans, that's from the state. Yes. Yeah, our health insurance is NYSHIP. We have a small plan also, I believe it's with MLB. And they're projected already at 9%. We can only provide the best guess, but I look to personnel for that and they're saying, you have to budget at least 9% this year. So that's what we're doing. And the retirement rates, that's New York State as well. They send out the projected rates pretty far along into the budget process. So that was a last minute change. So we had to increase that basically just about a week and a half ago, when the rates get released. So, but they are going up every year as well. Jeanette, I have a question. The property insurance, what was the increase on that? Property insurance was a 10% increase and then the general liability was a 5% increase. So we looked to our third party insurance broker for those increases. So she provided us with those estimates. Okay, so let's go into a little more detail in the general fund. What we did on this slide was basically just break out, police department versus non-police, because the police department is such a big part of our budget. For the police department, 1.4 million in salaries, contractual salaries and related payroll taxes, is part of our increase. 400,000 for the New York State retirement rates. Again, their rates went up about 4 percentage points from last year to this year. $250,000 would be related to police department health insurance. And again, we're estimating the increase to be 9%. We increased for five new vehicles. So they already had a little bit of a budget last year for vehicles and we're just increasing at $175,000 for five new vehicles needed. And then $150,000 for the new radios due to the new bandwidth set by Suffolk County. For non-police, we have a $400,000 increase for salaries and related payroll taxes. $400,000 would be for debt service. $350,000 would be for the new vehicles. $250,000 for health insurance. Again, the rate increase up to 9%. Can you explain the public debt service? So debt service is basically our principal and interest payments that we have to make on our debt each year. Each year we have a debt database that we budget based on and we can predict out or forecast out what our payments are going to be for the following year. So the increase here is basically related to a principal payment that we have to start making on our 2020 payments. So we have a $120,000,000 bond anticipated note for this building. It's actually more than that, but we had a bit of an increase in last year's budget because we anticipated bonding improvements for $1.5 million on this building and we didn't have to. We had some excess fund balance last year, we're in 2023, so we ended up paying the $1.5 million in improvements off. So we didn't have to bond that. So otherwise the increase would have been larger than that. So that was a good thing. We have $225,000 of an increase for new vehicles, which is fire marshal and buildings and grounds. And then the New York State retirement rates again, every tier increased, not as much as police department, but that's an overall increase of $200,000 for non-police. And then insurance premiums on general liability and property insurance were $100,000. And then the new radios for code enforcement and fire marshal. So that's $50,000. And just to break down the salaries and related payroll taxes a little further for everybody. So $1.4 million is directly related to police department increases. $439,700 are contractual increases for non-police. Merit increases for non-police is $275,400. Again, this is a little bit more than the $2,000. So that's $2,000. And then the new

supervisor mentioned it's 7% of the overall increase year over year. $203,500, three additional town hall positions. We reduced the severance budget by $280,000. We're not really expecting as many people to retire this year. It's sometimes an unknown, but we feel confident that reducing that was good. And we also reduced three positions for $222,000. So basically the three that we're going to talk about today, we're going to talk about the new and the three that we added kind of offsets with the three that we reduced by. And the last slide is really just giving you an estimate of the appropriations of school and town taxes for the coming year. We don't really know this exactly yet. It's an estimate based on I basically estimated a 2% increase for all the other districts that we don't have yet, which are the schools and the libraries and the fire districts and Suffolk County. They could go up more than 2%. They probably will. So this is a very conservative estimate to say that the school and library are really about 55.3% of the overall tax levy that the residents pay. And then Residents need to understand we have to base it on a rate increase of 2% or we base it on 2% because their budget, their calendar year is different than ours, and we won't have that information in order to present our budget accordingly. According to law, we won't have that information to do it. Yeah, I don't see their budgets yet. So we don't prepare the tax levy until November. Right. So this is all estimated. But it's not going to change all that much. It's a fairly good estimate. If anything, it's a little more conservative. So if anything, school and library will probably go up some, and then our percentage will go down. But that's just to point out really to the taxpayers how much a percentage of your taxes really go to school and library versus all the other districts, including the town. And that pretty much sums up the tentative budget. Does anybody have any questions? It's hard to have questions because I just got it just now. But what we can do, we certainly can put this up for discussion again down the road once you guys have had time to digest this. But I'm sure, you know, having you work as a district, having you work as the liaisons with your departments had to help you have a better one. I wish I had that in my eight years here as a councilman because that helps you understand the budget a lot more for sure, and it gives you an active part in it. I would just say, Supervisor, just to reiterate things you've mentioned, that Councilman Kern and I are on the personnel committee. It is very difficult to get people to come to the town because the salaries are not competitive with other towns and other jobs. So it is very difficult and we're constantly going through lists to get people to come on board out here. And how many interviews do you have set up and people don't even show up? That's right. They're like, Matt, I can't. It's too much of a cut in pay for me. And in terms of with the refuse, I know we took the lowest contract. We are no longer staying with the group we had previously. We're going with the lowest, best contract. So I know there's efforts there to save costs. Absolutely. Supervisor, I appreciated the opportunity to be able to work on the budget with you and Matt, Brittany. I know how much you guys put into this. And thank you for all of your hard work. And thank you, Supervisor, for everything that you did with this budget. I was able to see how you were trying your best to put a budget together that we know that people are going to be upset that we had to pierce the cap. But across the board, across the nation, we have inflation, and it's more expensive to live today. And you have a town that needs more police officers and more police cars and all of our vehicles that need gas, and gas is more expensive. Things are on the rise. And this eventually had to come. Like you said, we've been kicking the can down the road. And that's the truth. ABC News had a segment on this morning about the cost of food. And they said the average American is paying 7% more this year for food than they were last year. So that's, I don't mean to compare it to our budget by any means, but that number makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I mean, I think it's right to compare it because that's why it's hard to retain people at the salaries that we're doing. And we've got to have some parity with other towns. And I really appreciate that, you know, what you said about the department has, because you were very clear from the beginning that, hey, don't come at us with all these, you know, big raises. Because it's not, you know, it's not going to happen. And it can't, you know, it can't happen. You know, the town is faced with the inflation like you're talking about. And people, you know, I mean, things have got to change. Especially in New York, the rates are going through the roof. The insurances and health insurances and regular insurances, incredible. It's amazing. Everybody has to, you know, bite the bullet on it. You have no choice. And Denise and I get a little bit of a break instead of, you know, with all these interviews. It's amazing. I mean, the turnover rate was getting insane. Or the number of people that we hire, we train, and then they leave to go to another agency, similar, but pays better. And it's, you know, we've wasted not only time and money, we have to then go out and try to find somebody to hire again. So we've got to be more flexible. And we're compatible to the surrounding area, without a doubt. One of the questions I have, in terms of the overall personnel here in Town Hall, can we get a listing of, like, how the funds are being allocated? So each department basically puts up a percentage or an overall cost for personnel, you know, increase in wages in that department. But it's been clear in years past that those promises weren't always kept or not allocated the way the town board thought they were being allocated. So I want to make sure that the head of each department, if they say I'm giving each, each, these particular salaries to these particular individuals, I don't want after the budget to find out that they've changed that format. No, we met with all the department heads and closed the loop. I think you missed because you were on vacation, but I can certainly give you a list of all of the approved merit increases if you want to see those by individual. I just want to make sure, because in years past, people would promise things, and they did not receive them. Yep. Absolutely. So we are keeping our word. So if it's allocated a certain way, then that's the way it will be distributed to the employees. Yes. I have a detailed list. So once the budget is adopted, it will go right to personnel to get the resolutions ready for the new year, that kind of thing. And then the budget, the other question I would ask is if we can see towards what kind of increase in tax base, like how we're doing in terms of projects overall going through the planning department and the building department coming to fruition, how does it change our tax base? Like, so each year, can we measure? We measure ourselves. So are we, in fact, increasing tax growth in the town or not? So like building inspection fees, that kind of stuff? More or less like property taxes. So if a project is approved by the planning department, it comes to fruition, and the tax roll changes, are we growing? So with projects flowing through the planning department, how are we growing in terms of our tax base compared to previous years? Right. I think that's a really good point. I mean, we should really be looking at, you know, bimonthly, you know, what projects are getting, being reviewed and getting out. So we can start to, you know, look at the timelines of things and figure out how we could maybe, you know, do better in each department to move these projects forward. Because it, and, you know, we need to capitalize on the land that we have that people are looking to build on, and that's tax revenue, which, you know, helps the taxpayers, period. That's basically the only relief. It's absolutely the only relief. When we discuss the comp plan, then we reduce far ratios and build outs and preserve land and things like that, all positive things. But we've got to know that we're getting projects through the planning department that are increasing the overall tax basis. I'd really like to see, I'd like to be able to watch that number to see what it was last year, what it was, you know, this year, how we could do some type of projections. Yeah, I mean, I could basically compare the assessed values from last year to this year by property maybe somehow. I can work with the assessors on that and then get the information from building and planning on what properties have you, you know, I need the tax map probably numbers in order to do that from them. It's just the only way that I see that we can, you know, change the pattern of a continuous tax increase is by getting projects through, developed, and getting them on the tax map. So, you know, we're waiting on the dream is EPCAL, but litigation three, five years we say, right? But what are we doing in terms of a small level to at least make, you know, steps to getting projects through the planning department? And, you know, I know we're waiting on EPCAL, but it's, you know, we have what? Matt, 400 acres outside of EPCAL of industrial, something right around there? You know, that's, you know, so when we put moratoriums, we've got to be really careful on what we're doing because we're putting, we're stopping the clock. That affects taxpayers, you know, in general, so. And that's the exact point, Councilman, is that like what, how are we doing on industrial areas? So when people are proposing ideas and projects, are they in fact moving through and are we getting them on the tax rolls? Okay. More probably a planning department question, but just trying to say that. Yeah, it is. That's the only unit that can soften these numbers. Right, right. It's got to be a balance. And with the complex. With the comp plan being completed now and the moratorium being lifted in the industrial areas in Calverton, you're going to start to see some movement, I'm sure. And people have been waiting and some people have, and Bob, I know you've mentioned some people have walked away and said, I can't wait, I've got to go somewhere else. But I think we still did the right thing by waiting for the comp plan to be done, addressing the Calverton and Bading Hollow area, the industrial areas, and now we're ready to move forward, so. Yeah. And I think as we look at that code, we should be in a position to start expediting projects so that it doesn't take, I know I'm criticized for the guy that wants the shovel in the ground. Yeah, I do want it in the ground, but I don't want it in six years, I don't want it in four years, more like two years because that affects the tax revenue three years from now, not one year or two years. So we have to be cognizant of that. Yeah. And we're doing all this. Thank you. Any other questions? No. Okay, well happy reading. And we will thank you, Janette. Thank you, Janette. Great job. We will have a future discussion on this if need be at a work session and we'll take it from there. Okay, next up we have matters surrounding Elite Tower's installation of the cell tower at Wading River Farm. Headquarters, Mack Daughters, come on up. Hello. And anybody from the tier four, come on up. Yes. Wow. Greg Alvarez. You've got a lot of company today. We have a lot of company. I'm going to sit down here in case . We do. You guys are here? Yeah, you can have seats. Yeah, you can. Yeah, this is fine. That's good. How's everybody doing today? Good. Good? Well. Okay, good. I'm so glad this just happened. You have no idea. Yeah. So I distributed staff reports to everybody on the 19th. Pretty lengthy. I'll summarize today just so we understand what's happening here. This is for a cell tower at the Wading River Fire District headquarters. That's at 1503 North Country Road in Wading River. So what they're proposing is a 190 foot concealment pole, which I think IT should have a plan that they can show up so everyone can see what it looks like. Page seven. I bet. Daniel, the fire commissioner wants to join us? Okay. Well, when it comes to . . . Just shout out. Yeah, so 190 foot concealment pole. When a concealment pole is, that means all the antennas are inside, so you're not seeing the antennas hanging on the outside. What you do see are a couple whip antennas, so those are the fire district communication antennas at the top. So the overall height above 190 of the tower is 213, and then there's another set of antennas as you come down. So four antennas at 75 feet, three antennas at 95, and then Verizon wireless is going to be at the center line at . . . Okay. So that's the first one. Okay. So the second one is going to be at the center line at . . . Okay. So the third one is going to be at the center line at . . . Okay. So the third one is going to be at the center line at . . .

Okay. So just so we know what's surrounding the area, you've got the fire district, building obviously, Waiting River Congregational Church, St. John's, the Baptist Roman Catholic churches in the area, and then the River head town line is just a couple properties behind us with the full head of what's head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head better? He's going to back away as he does watch. So page two just aerial photograph in a street view of the fire district. Obviously we have a very hefty plan set that the board got as well as a planning study done by VHB which kind of outlines the whole thing. In terms of secret this is a this is a type one action pursuant to our town code so that's a mandatory 30-day coordination period. Involved agencies in this case would be the Planning Commission, State Office of Historic and Preservation and DEC and then interested agencies would be the town of Brookhaven and the Wading River Civic Association. Moving this forward we'll have a resolution to classify the action pursuant to SICRA and then start that lead agency coordination so we can start the clock on this because you have to do that 30 days. And then in terms of zoning if the board's not already aware wireless communications towers and antennas are not specially permitted, permitted or permitted to search for use of ! within the RB 80 zoning district. The applicant has included an analysis within the application requesting limited government immunity from zoning subject to the Monroe balancing test which I'll go through in a minute. In terms of the application itself what we asked for is a complete application what would be required if it was allowed by code. So they've given us all the plans all the studies that we would normally ask for. In terms of the things that it doesn't comply with just within terms of setbacks it doesn't meet the hundred or hundred meter or height pursuant to code. It doesn't meet the separation distance between towers which is 25,000 linear feet and then it doesn't have a eight foot security fence around the base. So just to understand the Monroe balancing tests a little bit more there is a nice legal member it's called a legal memorandum LU 14 governmental immunity from zoning so that's from the New York State Department of State it was last updated in 2020 limited government immunity may apply to the subject application if found appropriate by the town board. So a point is made. Thank you. We would have a public hearing to do what's called the Monroe balancing test. We'd have testimony from the applicant. The applicant would go through what are those following nine criteria and then we'd hear testimony from the public and then the town board would need to decide by resolution to what extent this application could be immune from the zoning requirements of the town. Moving on. Just in terms of commenting on some of those things though people that are might not be familiar with the application. Yeah. So the area if you're on the Jane's Port side of town and so forth tower needs to be closer perhaps to other towers simply due to the terrain. Correct. So it's a whoever is in a hold out of the bottom. Okay and in terms of the the setback and the fencing and so forth this is really a protected space it is directly behind the firehouse it's really only accessed by your fire department members and really quite frankly you'd have to jump up over a wall to get to it anyway so it's a it's a very protected area so it's a very protected area. So it's not a cell tower that is in an open field and accessible by kids. I think that entire area is monitored by video as well so problems and so forth can be quickly addressed you know by security means. So I think that when we're concerned about some of those variances so to speak I really think if you're familiar with the lay of the land you'll find that it's really not that concerning. Yeah that's the purpose of the test. Matt can I while you're on the zoning courts town zoning I mean to me this is a very important thing to consider. You know an emergency these are people that are dealing with emergencies so I've been inside that fire firehouse I couldn't use my cell phone so if there are people if you're a fireman inside that firehouse and somebody's trying to reach them or they're trying to reach out they can't you get an SOS. Yeah so it's not even just not to interrupt you Bob it's not even just cell service the radio service is poor too so once we go through that's the focus of this. Yeah but should we be changing the zoning and you know I mean. It's something that could to consider by the town board. Yeah. The Monroe balancing test the beauty of that like there's there's special cases like this where it would be appropriate to consider just for the public safety factor and the real need to you know find something immune from zoning so. Yeah so if I could explain the Monroe balancing test so certain government acts are immune from zoning so we recognize that there is immunity that they're looking for from the zoning regulations and the way that this is determined is by the town board to figure out if they're going to be. Exempt from the local zoning regulations by balancing of public interest so there's nine factors they come from the matter of county of Monroe or city of Rochester that's where they first determine the factors there are nine factors and they go through which I'm sure Matt will speak about shortly but they go through consideration of all the topics that you're bringing up public safety and sit topics like that that's what you'll be hearing about. Yeah during the public hearing if you choose that a public hearing on this topic the applicants will talk about all the ways that they meet the Monroe balancing test and then you'll issue a written decision after that determining if they met those factors which would exempt them from the local zoning regulations that are in place right now. Or to the extent you want them to be. I can just speak of one example I know personally if you're in the waiting river Roman Catholic Church you don't have cell service and there was an incident I was attending mass and somebody had a heart attack. I had a heart issue and you couldn't contact the fire department is right down the road literally right down the road and they had difficulty getting everyone there to help they did eventually get the individual treatment but literally just run down from the church to the fire department that's what somebody would have had to do as opposed to get on the phone to contact and get help it's absolutely needed in that area. Matt this is one of the concerns which cell towers are the collapse zone. Correct. And from what I understand a lot of the towers now are they come down so they don't it's not a fall over. So this is a look at an area around the length of those. Yeah these are much safer it should have and it almost I'm sure it has happened somewhere but it it's rare that it would even happen to begin with. Very rare and this tower is too designed to fall I believe it's a 65 feet below the top. Yes. So the top if it if it was under such stress that it would need to collapse the top half of the tower would fall off which would fully meet that 100 percent. Right so it's a breakaway so like if we did get a major hurricane in the area it's going to separate based on you know the top portion may break away first then the secondary portion you're not going to get a full tower that's going to come down so when there's there are you know concerns by residents that have expressed the waiting river congregational church is very close but it the way it is designed it cannot fall you know on an intact pattern and land or anything. Right. So it's a very rare case where you know if you're going to have a major hurricane and then you're going to have to go back and impeach somebody else's property because the top is going to break away first then you'd have to break away the middle section then then the base itself so in terms of the collapse area it's much smaller in terms of its distance. Right. So I mean and we're talking a catastrophic failure in that case I mean very rare but you know you have to plan for these eventualities so just to I will go I'll just list the nine factors of the Monroe balancing test I'll leave it to the applicant if you guys choose to have a public hearing because they'll really go through how they meet everything. Okay. So the first one is the land use or function involved but that is appendix I think it's appendix in the VHB document I think it's appendix H or I. It's page five in the staff report if that's easier. Yeah. So the nature and scope of the instrument instrumentality seeking immunity is number one. So it's appendix I. Appendix I. The encroaching government's legislative grant of authority the kind of land use or function involved the effect of local land use regulation would have upon the enterprise concerned alternative locations for this facility and land use. So the first one is the land use or function involved the effect of local land use regulation would have upon the enterprise concerned alternative methods of providing the proposed improvement the extent of the public interest to be served by the improvements and then the last one intergovernmental participation in the project development process and opportunity to be heard. So it's a pretty robust test that they'll have to establish to the town board and the town board will need to make an informed decision what extent to you know if they choose to exclude them from the zoning regulations. Is the Monroe hearing required to be held in the town board? Yes. Okay. So the public hearing is required by us like must we have it? Yes. Yes. That's why I'm saying. You say if you choose to have it. No. That's a public hearing. No. Not to choose to have the hearing. To choose to what if I mean you'd have to decide today if you're going to have a public hearing to entertain this. Right. I don't want to preempt that you're going to decide to have a public hearing because you would have to do it if you choose to act on the project. The decision will be to what extent you're going to exempt if at all. So you can do full exemption. You can do a partial exemption or you can do no exemption and then obviously the project wouldn't happen. Maybe I wasn't clear but this is why I'm saying maybe we need a change in the zoning code so we don't have to go through this when it in a situation like this which we may not have another one right now. Correct. But it is an emergency situation given what you heard from the councilwoman and my own experience in that firehouse. I just thought how do these people communicate? Yeah. You know so. I think it's an important consideration and I have no objection to that. But I think for this instance where we are this is fine. I guess this is the appropriate. I mean right now the applicants are only even being considered for the Monroe balancing test because they're a fire district which is a political subdivision of the state of New York. That government portion of the application is the whole reason why they're allowed to even get to the Monroe balancing test. I guess. Yes. Let me just turn a little, turn the conversation more. This is not about putting a cell tower up. We want to put a cell tower up in Waiting River because we want better cell service because residents are having. This is about, I'll switch my hat as a member of the Waiting River Fire Department. Okay. I'm working the radios. We're going into structures. We're going to housing. Our radios simply don't work. We have an, we should have an active structure fire and we are sending our men and women into these homes to retrieve people, to save life and property. We need communication. The chief of the department needs to stand outside and have constant communication. Okay. Constant communication towards where his teams are and how they're moving about and placement of victims, removing victims and so forth. This is about an emergency conversation. The same that I'll change my hat again and say, you know, my children are in the fire department as well. And I want to know when they go into a burning structure that I have constant communication with them. That's what this is ultimately about. And it's the same aspect within our police department. Unit 604 goes down, down into the hole. We always say, going down by the fire. We always say, going down by the firehouse. And the churches, they have, they lose communication. So these bands are about setting up fire radios, police radios, all emergency responses. The ambulance can communicate. That's what this is about now. You say there's a cost to this. So we don't build it. To alleviate, I think the fire district commission is doing their best job to help alleviate the cost to the taxpayers. Well then within the same poll, they can add cell phone fields. That ends up benefiting everybody. And then residents are happy that now, you know, I can tell you that on a daily basis, I'm parked up, you know, up off of 25A and I have to, you know, on my Bluetooth, I got to stop all driving and everything because once I go down that hole, I lose the conversation is over with. So there's a benefit in terms of all residents just having better cell phone service and the money that's received that helps pay for this project. But that is not the reason of this project. From my standpoint, being in the fire department, the reason for this is to have continuing emergency communications at all. All times. We have school programs in St. John the Baptist Church. We have children in there. You can't have your police outside struggling with any type of situation that may be going inside and not having constant radio communications. It's the biggest downfall. If I could add on to what you're saying. I agree with you 100%. Our primary purpose is for fire department communications. Excuse me, I'm losing my place. Just introduce yourself. Terry Culhane. I'm a commissioner on the board of fire departments. I'm the fire commissioners for Weeding River. Yes, that is the primary reason. Our emergency communications with our first responders in the community. In addition to radio communication, the cell communication is pivotal because a lot of our medical equipment to shoot or to transmit telemetry to the hospitals is now subverted because we have no coverage. For example, someone that's having a heart attack, we have to drive three blocks with the patient. We have to drive three blocks to just send that EKG to the hospital for a doctor to look at. The third piece is, yes, it is about cell phones. How many of us in this town use our cell phones as your primary communication device at home? Nobody has landlines. Very few do. That is also an emergency issue because nobody can call 911. Denise, you had the problem up at the house. You had one in the firehouse. Yes. The fire department actually fall down the staircase, crack his skull open, and he couldn't get help. He had to run back into the building to get somebody to help him. That's what I was going to bring up, that a lot of people don't use landline phones anymore. Correct. This also affects their ability to contact the police, not just the fire department. This will also help with the new radio systems because you're going to need antenna sites. Yes. It's not just about cell phones. It is about emergency communications. It is about emergency response. But cell phones do play a part in that. Our medical equipment depends on it, and the community depends on being able to reach a first responder. I'm just sorry that the process is going to take so long. Right. Understood. Actually, this will be much ... If the board chooses to find them immune from zoning, it's a much quicker process. Well, when can we do that? Today? You'd have to have a public hearing first, and then you'd need to make a determination. Well, I'm going to tell you right now, look at the liability in general. Yes. Thank you. Right? So, you're going to have to go through this. Yes. You're going to have to go through this in general, right? So, to me, I would have the public ... Oh, we have to ... We have to have a public hearing. We have to be certain about it is. We have to have a public hearing, so ... Something like this ... We can schedule it as soon as possible. Yes. Something like this happens again. Yes. Let's schedule a public hearing way before you even get to hearing, because I did review this, and I can tell you, I responded right away, this is great, we need this, and that was what? Two or three weeks ago. Yes. So ... Look at all the time that's passed away. And that's my thing. Look at the time that's passed, and I understand you ... And our concern is, do we have to wait for someone to die? No, I get ... We're totally sorry. It's about to ... It affects response time, so very often within the fire department, we get dispatched by FREZ, and sometimes a call is not properly communicated through dispatch, meaning that if it's just simply a ... What do they call it? A BLS call type thing, and then all of a sudden, the officer ... Right. Arrives on scene, and then finds somebody in full cardiac arrest, or if it's simply a automatic alarm, and the chief arrives on scene, and thinks that, okay, this is going to be a standard false alarm, and the chief arrives on scene, opens the door, and they're full of smoke and fire, it's about then ... Now the chief is in a bad spot, and trying to access and to request additional personnel to get to that scene, to dispatch. The chief has removed himself from a communication power, and so with this, that kills the response time. Now the chief is trying to get somebody else, literally as the commissioner spoke, to drive up the hill to make communications, go and send more help. It's bigger than I thought. The problem is more severe than I thought. Absolutely. We know that minutes save lives. And five to seven minutes is all we got on a cardiac arrest, and after that, it's not. And that's the time it takes longer than that to go outside the area to gain help. It's about life and safety. Yeah. So if I can just go through the rest of this, I think we cover a lot of your questions. I think it's pretty clear that ... It's very clear. I think we have a full five members support this. I'm just going to go through some of the need, just so the public understands how we got here, and then I think we have what I think is full board support. All right. So in terms of the need for the tower, like everyone said, you guys are ahead of the game, right in the report. So what's going to happen here is this allows full communication with the district, as Councilman Rothwell had said. So the existing equipment that's on top of the water tower on Gerald Street, so that's the in-between, that's the conduit between the radios that'll be on this tower to a station too. So that'll allow your full communication. That's the number one important factor. Revenue for the fire district, which we touched on, and then offer communications for other towns and agencies. So the town has an opportunity to put their police antennas on top, or the state, whoever would want to co-locate there. To what the commissioner had said, there's a service efficiency in Verizon Wireless Cover Daring and Wading River. We have a whole RF report to what says why there's not communication. Why there's not good coverage. Seventy-one percent of adults live in a wireless-only household. Two hundred forty million calls are made to 911 in the U.S. with 80 percent or more via wireless devices. So that's really the important factor here. In terms of visual impacts, the applicant has done a visual impact analysis. That's the review shed analysis, so that's with LIDAR. It creates a model where it could be seen, because visual impacts are the number one concern typically with cell towers. Unless you're dying and you need emergency services. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, the firehouse was a crane on site. Yeah. So. And it was like, it's not even visible really from 25A at that point. The firehouse in itself was a large structure which sits in front of it. So even as you're traveling down North Wading River Road and coming up in Country Road, you're really, it's not that viewable. No, it's not. Like you really got to be looking for it. Yeah. So it's not a visual impairment within the community. The model predicted that you'd be able to see it on the northwest and southwest portion of North Country Road, to the east along North Wading River Road, and then you'd be able to see it around the duck ponds and from Creek Road. Okay. And then you'd be able to see it on the south road. They then did a one mile visibility study, which counts when that's the flag test on top of the crane, which was completely in line with what the model predicted with some additional very minor visualization of it on Broadview Circle, Cambridge Court, Overlook Drive, Remsen Road, Dogwood Drive, and Zofra Mills Road and Randall Road. So you can see it very small. They also did photographic simulations. So that's actually what you see at the end of the report. That's they do a little, it's a picture superimposed of what the tower will look like. So if you see the images from Creek Road, it's about that big from the top of the tree. And sorry, again, when you did that test, you gave a lot of residents false hope because they thought the tower was going in that day. They're like, it's coming, it's here. Yeah. Just a test. So in terms of alternatives, the code does require you to consider alternatives. So the main alternative to a cell tower is what's called an ODAS system, outdoor distributed antenna system. So that's like your net of cell, you know, antennas on a smaller cell, microcell, so they do it. They're not going to be on steeples, on telephone poles. It's just for this, the tower antennas are mounted at a higher level than would transmit above trees and buildings just because of the topography of that system wouldn't work as well to allow full connectivity. There's a lot of hills and trees in the area. A lot of hills and trees in the area. So the tower allows you to do that full permeation, allows in-service coverage, and the ODAS system in this case could really only supplement, it couldn't really be in place of the tower. We also have a system that allows you to do that in-service coverage. Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. Okay. communication issue is the tower adequate reliable network coverage for Verizon Wireless and fire district in the subject area and the ability to accommodate the additional wireless carry so it's going to be Verizon that's coming in but there is space to co-locate which we require by code and those are the parcels are significantly higher in height correct compared to where the firehouse sits literally at the low point along with yep so this is the case of you know balancing public need which I think everyone understands I guess I just want to add one other thing one issue that you touched on was revenue yeah I don't want anybody to think that the fire district is getting rich now it's just offsets costs it not only it just thought you have in your own budget the amount of money you got to spend on radios we have to do the same thing in the fire district so we're always trying to keep our tax levy down as low as possible so that's where that that money is going to it radio equipment constantly staying up to up to date so I you know I don't want the public to think they go so head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head Far from the, it's a very, very small amount of money. Yep. All right, so it sounds like everybody's in support, so I'm going to prepare two resolutions. One's to classify it as a type 1 action, so we'll initiate that 30-day coordination period, and then a second to publish a post for the Monroe hearing, and then as soon as that hearing is closed, the town board is able to make a decision. So we can't get it in Thursday's paper, right? Like for next week? Your meeting's on Tuesday? You could. October 1st. Yeah, October 1st. So just to do the, yeah, the publish and post or whatever, because is the hearing going to be required to be in the evening? I don't think it's controversial enough to make it an evening one. That's at your discretion. I think I personally would request the first available town board meeting. And we greatly appreciate that. I just want to say I'm Greg Alvarez, attorney for Lee Towers. The only thing I would say to that is, as we've talked about, we have to hit all of those 9. And we do have some of the folks here, we do have other folks as well. And so we've already vetted out those other dates that are beyond next week. So that would be the only reason to perhaps ask for one of those other dates, just to make sure, because we want to make sure all of our team members are here, to hit each of those points. And obviously it's up to your discretion in terms of how much you want to hear. We will do it at the soonest available time by law. I mean, we have so many days we have to publish and post. We have to notify. So we'll make it as long as you guys are ready with everything that you have to do, we'll do it. Just be in touch with us or with Matt and let him know. And we'll do it as soon as we can. Yes, we've already vetted with Matt the dates after that. So I believe the date after that was the 16th, I believe. Yes. We would be more than ready for that date. Okay. Yep. There's just no way to predict when the next structural fire is. We just had a very serious structural fire. We had a house that was just basically almost across the street from the firehouse. Next to the cemetery and radio communications were in fact a problem. And so we want to eliminate this issue, the safety concerns. And we never want to turn down the opportunity to come in sooner rather than later. So I just wanted to let you know. As expeditiously as you can do it, we welcome it. And we thank the board for that. Yes. I'd be happy to find a partner in the fire district. This is insane. Police and fire have no communication. It is. It's ridiculous. This is like, you know, 1400s. You've got to run down with a book. And we don't have cyber. We don't have networks to bang our nightsticks on. Old school, old school. Yep. All right. Careful, Terry. You're dating yourself. So again, if next week works better, just to understand that perhaps we won't have all of our team members. That's fine. But certainly we have our reports. Absolutely. So what will happen on Tuesday is there will be a published post-resolution. So that will be to schedule. And it will be to schedule on the 16th. So that would be when the hearing will start. Okay. Okay. Very good. Very good. Appreciate it. And then we can make a decision shortly thereafter. Thank you. Excellent. And for the public, we have three waiting river fire commissioners here. Yes. Yes. On Tuesday, I thank you guys for your service. Can I just say one thing, Mr. Yes. Come on up. Tim Devaney, commissioner from Redding River. Yeah. Just use the. Come on. Here. Come on. Or use the podium. Just a quick thing. Tim Devaney. He was the waiting river fire district for a number of years. Back in 2007, we worked on putting a cell tower up. I forget the company's name out in South Hampton. We moved along and moved along. Did soil compactions. Did this and did that. There was a couple of board members at the time. That really weren't in favor of it. Because we were afraid of the public. Okay. And I get it. You know, it's tough to, you know, I don't want to say push over the public. But this is a serious situation. Absolutely. Okay. And I'm glad everybody's on board. Because 2024, almost 25, we did this back in 07. I went in for quintuple bypass in the beginning of 08. I come back and my next meeting at the fire house. And they put it to bed. They stopped everything. I was like, why? Why did you do this? You know, this is an important feature that we need, you know, for our members. Like we just discussed here. So I just want to say, here we are, you know, 15, 8, 17 years later, whatever. And we're trying to attack it now. You know, so that's what I want to say. I'll just add to that. The difference is now many, many more people do not have landline phones. Correct. Right. That's really changed in the last 20 years. Yeah. But we're just afraid of the public being, oh, you know, well, I'm going to get voted in again. Can I put a cell tower up in our fire station? I mean, that's a different industry, you know. From a planning perspective, this makes sense. So, you know, in times past, over the past 20 years, cell towers, I feel like the controversy has really changed since most people use them now. They were very controversial when they first came in. So, I mean, it's important that we locate them. We just want to locate them in the correct places. This is a shining example of a place where it makes sense. Right. I think back then, I think they didn't fall like we talked about. Correct. The whole structure fell over onto the church. You typically didn't have as many flies. Right. You had to have a whole zone thing and everything like that. The newer technology now would be they fall within themselves. Absolutely. Correct. Well, the safety of the residents and the safety of the first responders are the most important thing for this town. Absolutely. Not a doubt. Yep. That's all. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Thanks, everybody. Sorry it took so long. No, there's no problem. I will get all that into a minute track and it will be in your packet. Great. Good. Thank you very much. You know that? Yeah. Absolutely. It's a good idea. I would have to pay for it for one town. That's how these tend to go. Yes. All right. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. I'd call you, but I can't. Okay. That concludes our open session. We're now going to move on to resolutions. And, Devin, if you would please come up and read off the resolution. Okay. Thank you. [transcription gap] Okay. So, we'll read off the resolution. Okay. Good morning, everyone. Good morning. If everybody's ready to go, we'll get started. Resolution number one authorizes the removal of fixed assets. Number two. Police department accepts donation of two motorcycles from Suffolk County. Baker and Poncherello are coming to town. I just want to thank Ken Rothwell for his work. With the Suffolk County Executive's Office and making this happen, they have donated two Harley-Davidson motorcycles, 2020s. They're used from their fleet. But when they turn them in, they're in really good shape. And then they buy new ones. And Ken set this up and got the county to donate them. So we're going to have two nice Harley-Davidson's coming up. And our officers have been trained. They went to the academy and got their training ready for them. So, we're going to have two nice Harley-Davidson's coming up. And our officers have been trained. They're in really good shape. They're ready for them. Exactly. So we've already got officers trained. We've got them outfitted with uniforms and so forth. Leather jackets, helmets, all necessary. Bridges, suits. Boots. Again, I just also want to personally and publicly thank, and we'll have that opportunity once we get these motorcycles striped and so forth with our logos on it. But I got to personally thank County Executive Ed Romaine right from the get-go. He has wanted to build a relationship between the Suffolk County Police Department and the Riverhead Police Department. And it's always been a great relationship. But just like a more, this is personal. And so we have not had motorcycle units in a long time. We had one bike that's way aged out and it's not safe and not usable. And I commend our officers for stepping forward and taking your training. They all said they had one of the greatest times. They actually went through the academy with Nassau County Police Department. And they were traveling all around New York City and going up Westchester over bridges. They had an incredible time. But I feel that they returned experts in motorcycle safety. So I'm confident. But this is a great community outreach program. It's a great policing program. It's much easier to position a bike somewhere as opposed to police cars. And I'm excited about it. And I just think it's also going to be a great public perception for us in our parades, our communications, our COPE units and so forth. And having these available is similar to our K-9 units. So our police department continuously steps up and offers its volunteers to participate. Thank you County Executive Ed Romaine. Thank you for mentioning Supervisor. They also teach you in this class, in the training, how to lay the bike down. Should you feel the need you're going to crash, they teach you how to safely lay it down and they make them do that, which is pretty incredible. But not our bikes. We're not scratching our bikes. No, no, no, no. But they do have protection. They do have protection on them for that. They have a roll bar system on them that allows them to do that. Does the supervisor get to ride that motorcycle? No, the supervisor will watch. I want to see you lay that down. Supervisor is not a fan of motorcycles. I like a lot of metal around me when I'm driving down the road. And kudos to the guys that do it. But the brave souls. I would take my Harley out and go for a ride with them. So absolutely yes. Okay. Resolution number three. Authorization for one police department employee to attend a training course. Okay. Thank you. [transcription gap] Number four. Authorization for one police department employee to attend a training course. A different one. This one is the drug recognition expert. Yeah, this teaches them how to tell if you're high on drugs as opposed to high on alcohol. So. We're only sending one right now. It's a very lengthy and involved class. Really? Yes. Wow. I think that particular officer, though, could be called in at any given time as well. Correct. So use that. We have one now. And this will be a second one we can use. Resolution number five. Appoints a call in recreation aid two to the recreation department. Number six. Same thing. Appoints a call in recreation aid two to the recreation department. Resolution number seven. Amends a portion of resolution 2024-459 adopted on May 22nd, 2024. We couldn't have called you anyway, Terry. So. To correct the salary of a seasonal recreational aid. Okay. Thank you. We'll head over to you next. [transcription gap] We'll head over to you next. [transcription gap] named highway employees.

Number 11, promotes an employee to a highway labor crew leader.

Number 12, promotes an employee to construction equipment operator. Number 13, promotes an employee to construction equipment operator. Number 14, promotes an employee to heavy equipment operator. All these go hand in hand with the first one you read about the salary increases for the highway workers. Number 15, promotes an employee to construction equipment operator.

Number 16, promotes an employee to heavy equipment operator.

Number 17, authorizes the town clerk to republish and post notice to bidders for one 2024 Mack Model MD642 dump truck for Riverhead Water District. We're going to repost the bids and hopefully get more responses from that. Number 18, ratifies authorization for Goodman Marks Associates, Inc. to conduct an appraisal of town property.

Number 19, authorizes the supervisor to execute license agreement with the Butterfly Effect Project for use of the Riverhead Senior Center.

Number 20, approves the final version of the CSCA 2023 through 2025 contract. About time.

Number 21, approves the United States Department of the Interior Fish and Wildlife Service access for Hi-Fi water level logging equipment at Wading River Boat Ramp.

Number 22, grants preliminary approval for the site plan application entitled Hildreth Real Estate Advisors, Calverton 1001 Scott Avenue, Calverton, Suffolk County Tax Map number 600-135.1-1-1.

Resolution number 23, authorizes town clerk to publish and post public notice to consider a local law to amend Chapter 237, Section 4 of the Riverhead Town Council, entitled Removal and Return of Abandoned Carts. And this is in section 24 of the Riverhead Town Code, entitled Permit Procedures. The board will recall we talked about this at the last work session. We're going to raise the road opening permit fee from 200 to $300.

Number 24, authorizes town clerk to publish and post notice to consider a local law to amend Chapter 269, section 5 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Removal and Return of Abandoned Carts. And this is in section 24. And this also is going to touch on a fee increase from 125 to 175. Number 25, adopts a local law to amend Chapter 263 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Rental Dwelling Units.

Number 26, adopts a local law amending Chapter 289-6 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Turns. That's the no right turn off a chromer onto 58. Mm-hmm. Eight. That's right. Number 27, pays the bills. Bob doesn't like that resolution. That right turn. All I thought was pay the bills. That's what I thought it was. Oh, the pay the bills? Yeah. Number 28, authorizes the supervisor to execute a license agreement with American Cancer Society for special event.

Number 29, town board promotes and appoints a police lieutenant, Danielle Wilsey, to captain of the Riverhead Police Department. Number 29, she's head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head Number 33, reclassifies Ken Testa's assistant town engineer position number 08-1162-31 to town engineer.

Number 34, amends terms and conditions of employment for Ken Testa, town engineer, and authorizes supervisor to execute an agreement. That was a tough one to put together because he already does everything, so how do you just say does everything? It was, yeah, it was, had to work with civil service, but they granted us the position of a second-in-town engineer, which is rarely done, and we really appreciate it because by separating them up, we can get a lot more done with the two groups. Resolution number 35, authorizes the supervisor to execute a stipulation of settlement with Civil Service Employees Association, Inc., Local 1000, AFS, CME, AFL-CIO, Riverhead Union, and the City of San Francisco. Resolution number 36, authorizes the supervisor to execute a settlement with Civil Service Employees Association, Inc., Local 1000, AFS, CME, AFL-CIO, Riverhead Union, and the City of San Francisco. Resolution number 37, authorizes the supervisor to execute a settlement with Civil Service Employees Association, Inc., Local 1000, AFS, CME, AFL-CIO, Riverhead Union, and the City of San Francisco.

A grievance was filed by the union, I believe it was last November, December. We had a person in the sewer district who was leaving, and the sewer district wasn't going to have a clerical person for approximately 10 to 14 days. So we had that person doing some part-time work until another employee was transferred to take over that position. The CSEA filed a grievance over that. This simply settles it. The settlement agreement, in effect, says that the town doesn't waive its position that it did the right thing. CSEA doesn't waive its position that we should have had an agreement with them over at first, and it simply withdraws the case. It's essentially, yeah, more or less. Thanks, Evan. No problem.

Okay, resolution number 36 ratifies the authorization for the supervisor to execute an MOA with CSEA Local 1000, AFSCME, AFL-CIO, Riverhead Unit of the Suffolk Local 852, Riverhead Town Police Benevolent Association, and Riverhead Town Superior Officers Association. And that's regarding the dental plan. And that's it. Thank you, Charlie. I'm going to say his name wrong. Asari. Asari for bringing that dental plan to the town. Better? And less expensive. And less expensive. Yep. They worked hard on that. Pounding my head to get it done. Chewing my teeth. All right. That concludes our open session for today. In a moment, I'm going to ask to close it, and we'll go into executive session to discuss contractual matters, matters surrounding contractual agreement with parking consultant. That will be with Thomas and Diapola. Matters surrounding... Possible sale of real estate property, Thomas and Prudente. Matters sounding contractual agreement for website services, Kremborg. And matters surrounding agreement for electric car charges, Kern and Howard. So, that being it for executive session, I'd like to make a motion that we close open session and go into executive session. So moved. Seconded. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Okay. Open session is closed. We will now be heading into... To executive session. Everybody have a great weekend. I think this weekend, Rivet has their homecoming football game and parade downtown. So, be sure to stop out if you're available. It's always a good time to see the floats and cheer on the local home team. Have a great... What? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. And the Wading River Chamber of Commerce is also having a fall festival Sunday over at the Eastwind Commons over there. It should be a great day. Perfect. And I believe tonight is the last night. For Riverhead Unites, the anti-bias task force. I left today the 29th. Yes, it is. Right? Yeah, where's the one tonight? Through the weekend. Through the weekend? Yes. Okay. Is it? I had it until Friday, tomorrow. Okay. Well, it's going on. Yeah, go to our... The Chamber of Commerce. RivetChamber.com. And they'll have the schedule of who has what, where, and when. Great opportunity. So, enjoy everybody. Have a great weekend. Thank you. [transcription gap]