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Thank you. [transcription gap] Pleasure. Okay, we have two items, or two items on for, I'm sorry, we have three items on for open session. We're going to go to item number two right now and start off with planning matters surrounding industrial districts code amendments. Rezoning pursuant to the comp plan update. And that will be with Dawn Thomas, Matt Charters, and Heather Trojanowski. Good morning. Good morning. How's everybody doing today? So the fun part of the comp plan has started. This is the fun part. Well, it's the fun part for me. I don't know if it's the fun part for anyone else. All right, so on Monday and yesterday, I distributed everything to the board quite a lot. A little dense, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anybody what we're going over. I'm just going to summarize kind of what we're doing. Trying to achieve today first. And then we'll go through the code sections. Obviously not everything because there's just a lot of tweaking to some sections. And then we'll look at the proposed map amendments. Okay, so as discussed Monday, so we are amending the dimensional regulations of each zoning chapter to be consistent, which was studied in the GEIS. We'll be merging Industrial A and Industrial C to create a new zoning use district. That will be called the Calverton Industrial Zoning Use District, otherwise known as CI. Okay. We clarified some language within the zoning code. Industrial A, B, and C will be eliminated from the code. We're rezoning industrial areas outside of the new CI zoning use district to light industrial. So if the board doesn't know already, light industrial already exists in our code. The only place that it's mapped is the Stony Brook Incubator, which is next to EPCAL. It's actually a very good code. It's got some design standards, so we're looking to utilize that more. We'll be migrating all of our permitted. Specially permitted and accessory uses out of each chapter into what's called an industrial district table of use regulations. So that's within your packet as well. We're adding definitions for certain uses, updating the zoning map pursuant to the recommendations of the comp plan, and then amending the commercial schedule of dimensional regulations, such as take some stuff out, and then also amending the TDR code. So it's a lot. It's a lot of work. It was happening in the background. As we were going. So the first section, if you guys have what is attached, is the Calverton industrial. So the first part of that on page one, we really just sort of massaged the purpose and intent of the chapter to meet the new need. In terms of uses on the first page, this is what I'm talking about, where all these uses are coming out. So it's on the screen as well. That's all being deleted on page two, and that'll be going into the use table. Some other changes we made in the chapter to the bulk and height requirements. So there's now going to be a 30% open space natural area on these parcels where it used to be 20. We have supplementary design standards now. They're no longer just guidelines because they're really important. We don't want people to sort of work against our code. I think it's important that we hold true to this. And I'm just asking, so when we now increase up to 30%, like I did, but are there any TDRs? Can they go more height or anything other way? We'll get to that. Yeah, it's a good one. Just so we know, we don't scare people. There are options that we can still get the same tax base. Absolutely. But we'll still get the pristine area around it. I think we get both. It's the best of both worlds in my opinion. That's what we want. Okay. Can we just go back to page one real quick? Sure. So the first paragraph says that the district allows and encourages commercial recreation businesses, but then in the second paragraph, paragraph number 10, it's striking commercial sports and recreation. It's striking all the uses? Yeah, so all that's getting moved into a table. So all your uses are coming out. So if you look at the use table, there are recreational uses in there. One of the petitions we have with the way the zoning is written now is that it has this very limited list of uses. And then the zoning officer is tasked with it in the computations, and sometimes a use comes in that doesn't really fit into a classification perfectly, and it leaves us with going to the zoning board, and that's kind of a waste of time. So we wanted to give a broader list of things that Greg can use to fit something into a slot and make it quicker and easier. It's a standardized table. Matt will talk about it, but there was a method to the madness. Exactly. All right, so back to page two. Everything, uses, prohibited uses, specially permitted uses, all come out, and they're going to be migrated into the use table. I talked about the 30%. Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. Okay. blocks and signs. It's going to have to either be landscaped or maintain an existing buffer if there's a natural buffer there. And then off-street parking will be prohibited within the 50-foot transition yard and within 20 feet of any of the property lines. That's about beside and rear. And then no more than 10 percent of the parking will be in the front yard because, you know, you're driving past a nice developed area. You don't want to stare at a sea of parking, but we understand, you know, certain businesses, there'll be people in and out. So a little bit of parking in the front yard is not terrible as long as it's not awful. The next section you see is the light industrial. So as I said before, this is already in the code. We just sort of molded it in to be more effective. So this will be in the areas that are outside of CI. So that'll be in the Manor Lane area. I'll touch on the map so we'll get to that next. But basically, Pulaski Street, West Main. The areas, it used to be Industrial C. Right. So it's sort of the low intensity industrial zones and now it'll be light industrial. Again, uses are coming out, going into the use table. The thing I just want the public to understand from both of these in the CI and the light industrial is in neither one of these areas will there ever be last mile fulfillment centers. Correct. So that everyone in the public understands and realizes we are not building Amazon warehouses in either one of these zoning areas. On page seven, it talks about building design. This is stuff that existed already. So I think it was really important to capture. Because some of these industrial zones are in more residential or rural areas. So we want to be conscious of the design. Environmentally sensitive areas. There are a lot of wetlands in some of the light industrial areas. Correct. So I have one question on this. It's number 2C. What page? And a seven. The page you're on. Where it says peak roofs preferred. And I know we had this discussion. It's, yeah. And that doesn't mean, that doesn't preclude somebody from doing a flag roof. Yeah. If they needed it for the use or if it's inappropriate where it looks nice. I think a peak roof generally just fits more within the aesthetic of Riverhead. No, I get that. But, you know, I mean, for an operator, if they are scoring and we had this discussion, if it's on pallets, you don't, you're going to lose a lot of your cubic square feet in that. That's all. Yeah. And I think that's something that could come through the review. And if we knew something about the use, well, that would, they would need it. And if it was a flat roof, I think we could go there. But I think the preference would always be to peak. A peak roof just because aesthetically and design-wise, it's going to look better in our, you know, the rural character of what's rural. I get that. But you can, there's also ways to make, you know. Yeah. I think we're conscious of that. Okay. One of the things that we talked about a lot is design standards. Yeah. And how those things, if you do a good design and the architecture is good, it really can change the way people feel about it. Absolutely. And we can help it fade into the distance or not look as big. And those things are the things that. Yeah. Yeah. And it's been really looking on implementing. Yeah. So in terms of materials that already had some good stuff in the way industrial, we also, you know, we added wood or wood appearing siding. So pole barn construction. So that's like your Morton building. Right. Something that really fits with our ag character. Mm-hmm. In terms of on page eight, also on buffer and transition yards, this is similar to CI. It's just a little bit less. So it'll have a 25-foot transition yard, same kind of preclusions from the front yard. And then the overall natural area in the front yard. This zone will be 25%. We did add the parking standards into the code just by reference. So that's the next thing you see. And then with this, pretty much. Everything else was kind of hardy in there. Just some tweaks, really.

That's pretty much it for light industrial. So the bigger thing, page 12, is your industrial district table of use regulations. So it looks like a lot. There's obviously a lot. There's a lot more uses listed. So what this does, this relies on the SIC code, Standard Industrial Classification Manual. So that organizes uses into use families. So each number on there corresponds either to an individual use or an individual use family. So as Don touched on before, if you say, my use is not listed on here. Well, it'll give Greg or whoever is the zoning officer the ability to go in and say, okay, I'm going to look at the use family. And it lists everything. So it's not just X, Y, Z. So, oh, this is very similar or in the same use family. So he can interpret that it's a lot. There's a lot of uses in here. It's generally organized first by residential uses. So we're not allowing any new residential uses in industrial zones. Then it goes into residential community facilities, business uses, ag uses, wholesale business uses. So there's really a lot. It's a little bit more explicit than the code used to be. So if the board's not familiar, we used to have a use that was called wholesale business. It was not nuisance. That was essentially anything. Because it just had to be determined to not be a nuisance industry, which I really don't know what that is. Super subjective. Super subjective. So this is really a lot more expansive. And I think it'll help a lot. Yeah, and I think if there's something not listed there, the SIC gives you the use family and a list of similar uses within that family. So it's easier to make determinations. It's easier for us and for the public so they can look. Or, you know, a potential developer to see, like, where they would fit in. Other towns already do this. Southampton does rely on the SIC code. And I think Brookhaven and Smithtown, they all also have a use table like this. So this is really bringing us up to where I think we need to be. This is good because this comes out of the government. Yeah. These SIC codes are used. I've used them on applications on projects. So it's good. Yeah, it's something standardized. It's a standardized. So it's not super, it's not updated regularly anymore. But I don't think there's really anything on there that's an unknown. And I think, you know, it sort of sets the tone so we have something to rely on, not just intuition. The next is what used to just be the light industrial district schedule dimensional regulation. So now that I'll have light industrial and the new Calverton industrial district dimensional regulations. So these are all consistent. I'll have full clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear head clear go up to 0.3 which is what was studied in the GIS for the comp plan it gives the minimum landscaped area which I touched on before and the maximum height of 35 feet we also increased the impervious coverage in this zone for CI to 70% conscious of there's going to be likely outdoor storage in this area it has to be suitably screened obviously which is called out in the code but to give them a little bit more impervious and that keeps it consistent with a 30% buffering requirement. Where can I make sauerkraut? Sauerkraut. I think there's food. There should be food. There's food in there now. I saw a bakery. You got me at a huge disadvantage because these are numbered and I marked up the first one which had no numbers. I do have some questions. Whatever questions you have. You know it by heart. So this is the commercial district schedule of dimensional regulation. So these are really just some things we're taking out. So industrial A and industrial C are coming off this chart. They don't exist anymore. Or they won't exist potentially. And then it's taking out some notes which were discussed in the comp plan. This is all related to townhouses. So if you go to the next page. Very confusing notes. Very confusing notes that basically in certain zones didn't allow you to develop townhouses at all. It'll be note 7 is coming out. The minimum floor area of a townhouse. So that's where we're going. The minimum floor area of a townhouse shall be 900 square feet. So that'll now. The minimum floor area will be. It'll be dictated by building code. And then notes 12 and 13. Building lot coverage for a townhouse shall not exceed 7.5%. And then floor area ratio for a townhouse shall not exceed .15. Which those numbers if you try to ever develop a townhouse. I think it's in the CRC zone. And DC3. It's impossible to win. I think it was a typo or something at some point. Yeah. Okay. On to the next is the TDR code. So we did add the Calverton Industrial. This is already mapped as a receiving area. I think it's the industrial receiving area. It was just never given a, you know, sort of a metric to land the TDRs. So that'll be on the next page. It's new section K. Calverton Industrial CI. Preservation credits may be used to increase the development yield for site plan applications. And that'll be in 5,000 square foot increments. To a maximum floor area of .5. Right now the easiest to do is floor area ratio. That's what we've seen most. What people are asking for is more floor area. I think in the future we want to do further study whether to utilize a TDR in terms of height. We'd have to address it at a future time. It's just, it's a hard thing to quantify and implement to make sure they're equal. Because if we're doing two different things. If we're doing cubic feet and square feet, we have to make sure the values are pretty much the same. No. If you're doing cubic square footage, convert it to cubic square footage, right? You get a value. Yeah. The reason why I say that is because it gives the, it really does give the town the opportunity, especially with the height, for preservation credits. I love the fact that we're going to 5,000 square feet because that gives the town not only preservation credits but tax revenue. Yeah, and we are conscious of that. It has to work for both sides. We, you know, we need to preserve land and it's got to, there has to be some value that people want to buy. And maybe we should, we can sit with Jeanette and have her do the formula for, you know, somebody wants to go up in height. Yeah, that's good. We can consider that. But it was, it's, this is the broadest, clearest way to do it at this point. So I think this is what we should stick with. Obviously, if we want to do it a different way in the future, we'll just have to go for that. Next are our definitions. So some of the definitions of the code weren't great. We're updating a couple of them, which are pretty self-explanatory. Floor area commercial is a big change. So it used to have, as you can see, a laundry list of everything that was exempt. Rather than doing that, floor area commercial now is going to be essentially everything that's within your four walls. That is your floor area, period, understory. Good idea. Your elevator's not coming out, your hallways, your water fountains, all this weird stuff used to come out. So that's being revised to make more sense. So common and usable are now one area. Yes. Which is good. Well, it created an issue because if somebody got a building built based on this definition of commercial floor area, and then someone came in to make interior alterations, if they change those exempt spaces, they're increasing the floor area. So it's easier to just keep it simple. And it doesn't work with TDRZ that we've had that instance of a town. So we now will have a definition for a last mile fulfillment center, a logistics center, a truck terminal. Vertical farming will have a definition. As well as a true definition of a warehouse. And then a whole set of business. That was needed. Yes. That was definitely needed. All stuff that was for sure needed. The next, these are pretty simple to understand. This is the old industrial A. This will come out, but we're going to reserve the chapter for future court amendments. So that's all just a reserved chapter. Same thing with industrial B, which is on page 29. Comes out and just reserves the chapters. And then the last one is PIP. So this change is just a use to reference if you're familiar in industrial A. You have a very long list of everything that was not permitted. It'll now say the prohibited uses are those that are prohibited in CI on the E-State. Any questions about the codes before we go to the other ones? No. Okay. So. I do. Yes. I got. But if somebody else wants to go first. I've got quite a few. As I go down on this. Go for it, Ron. So. One of the things that I notice. In general. Is. There's no. Provision for recycling. For reuse. I see. It took out transfer stations. But there's nothing for recycle. For reuse. Which I'd like to see in there. Okay. And. So. [transcription gap] So. [transcription gap] anything is check that if it's an F count it would be in the it would be inside the fence yeah so this doesn't change any of the uses in a pal at this point it does eliminate the preliminary uses but I don't think it would and I brought up yesterday because as we all know there's a need for pilots so it doesn't preclude a flight school it doesn't so this is this is what's fun about this of it's a perfect example there's a use on here I think it says other schools not classified it's like a nice book a hundred so if you open that up it's all vocational school like some of the things that lists are like finishing schools hair schools flight school is listed on there but this is what I'm talking about so you can actually open that use family and see oh what are these other schools that document oh it's this so we can make an informed decision whether uses allowed or not and just mad again for the public to understand in both light industrial and collagen industrial also excluded our trucking terminals and transfer stations right so ! it's not allowed in either one of those areas so the other question I have is which is and I was a little bit confused by this but that is I am on the table of use resident regulations zoning yep so when I go down here it says public utility structure right away sewage treatment plan and then it says except wireless communication towers and antennas and satellite earth stations yep but in another section so is what do you consider Starlink that's going in satellite earth station yeah so that was the code that we do so if you go the next one down wireless communication towers and antennas and satellite earth stations they're both allowed by special okay why is that by special permanent that's what the code of last that's how it is now that's how it is now yep by special permit we have a additional requirements that have to be met that's for those we have a whole code section that addresses those two uses those are tricky because it could be zoned but it could be near residents or things like that so you'd want to be able to condition the approval so you can address any of the you know any of the perfect sense impacts um if you go down third third line up 5012 automobile the automotive and other motor vehicles not permitted in light and industrial ways that well a lot of a lot of the parcels are smaller in the areas that are in these on light industrial and again there are like a long classy Street there are wetlands and the environmentally sensitive areas but it's supposed to be a less intense less permissive zoning than CI so that's why no I get that but I mean couldn't you do that parcel by parcel because there are other swaths of light industrial land that are really large now because we'd have to have to go by zone okay hard too hard to do answer my question yeah so I'll expand on that use for you Bob just so you understand what that what that means it's under the wholesale business category industrial passenger automobiles trucks trailers motorcycles motorhomes snowmobiles ambulance buses sell to individual consumers for personal use are considered retail so this is wholesale so if you're wholesaling other automobiles that's why it's not so if you're wholesaling RVs all the lots of the cars that are sold are not for sale so if you're wholesaling other automobiles so if you're wholesaling other américans so you're wholesaling other américans so you're wholesaling other américans so you're wholesaling other lights so you're wholesaling other lights so you're wholesaling other small so you're not gonna really have to do it so that's why I'm gonna see I all right um the one thing that's not mentioned is in a lot of these in campus style again and I really should be looking at the map like off of Middle Road right where we have large swaths of land right there's no mention and even inside the fence for a restaurant and when you go into industrial zones all over the place there's usually a restaurant in there so if you go to the accessory uses okay the last page of the chart so this is this was something that was in the old code sections so you'll see cafeteria for an office or other building when contained within the building Ransel structure in the same parcel for the purpose of serving employees in their death right but that's that's if you have it and I understand that but if you have a series of smaller buildings you know and you have a hundred employees it may not make sense to have a cafeteria so if there's several of those I would you know urge that we allow some sort of restaurant facility that can serve as multiple buildings yeah I think that's something we can discuss and just have to be limited to the buildings in the middle so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so deli and an industrial pork. Okay. Let me just see. I would like this to explore a provision for organic fertilizer production, which is just something out of Stony Brook, which is off the top of my head, which I don't have right now, but they process leaves and stuff like that, different things, and they're actually producing organic fertilizer. So I just don't want, you know, there's so many things on the horizon, I just want to make sure that we really are. The beauty of the chart is that by going to the use family it further expands. So even if you look at something and you're like, oh it's not there, you can look for a similar use in that use family and I think it gives you the ability for us to get there. It'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see 20 years from now what is new, what technology is out there, and what it will be. And we'll be looking, people 20 years from now will look at this and say, really? Why didn't you guys think of this? Or why didn't I go for that? Who knew? Who knew solar? You know, I've always thought that zoning should be based on impact, right? So every use would have a score. You'd have a heavy score, and you could put heavy scores next to less heavy scores, but as long as you do the buffering, it's a different style of zoning. But everybody's so caught up in Long Island forever with what they call this Euclidean zoning. I don't like it. This is much better what we're doing than that, but it's a big improvement on that. It's the same idea, but it's better. So the next step is to really make it flexible like that, so that you don't have, but that would be a very bold step. And you know, a little unknown territory. This is so much more defined. There's so much more clarity. Yeah, well, because before it was just like, oh, this is a wholesale business, and based on the definition of what we had for a wholesale business, it would be permitted. Or like, you don't have to have the cattle. Permitted uses, warehouses. And you know, we didn't have those fine-tuned definitions. Speaking of wholesale, you have farm supply, wholesale is by special permit. Mm-hmm. In the CI area. Mm-hmm. Why would that be, since we are a farming community out here? Just in terms of, I mean, it might involve heavier equipment, heavier, you know, like, supply of fertilizer and stuff. It just might be a more intense, noxious use. I mean, that's something subject to change if there's a majority of the board that wants to see that as permitted rather than specially permitted. I think it's important that you guys look at each and every use in here to decide what you think is appropriate to be permitted, specially permitted, or not permitted. We went with, like, the broadest brush, what we thought was appropriate based on, you know, what the goings on in the town, what came out of the comp plan, what's noxious, what's not noxious. I just think that because we are a farming community that our farmers should be able to have accessibility to farm equipment. Yeah. Yeah, and I don't think this precludes them from doing that. It's just based on whatever the use is and how intense it would be. But I think everything's up for discussion in terms of how you want to allow it or not allow it. I think there's a difference of having, like, a tractor. You know, a manufacturer building a supervisor as opposed to actually what fertilizer can physically be in terms of, like, fire standards and, like, predictions of what, you know, a massive warehouse filled with fertilizer is on fire. That's a very big different scenario than somebody that's building farm equipment and other things. Correct. So I think at least a special permit would just address the fire codes on that. Well, wouldn't you address that anyway? Well, you always do, but I just put... Yeah. I mean, college farmers... ...don't necessarily need to be on a larger safety scale. Yeah. And that's the... Home Depot sells it. Lowe's sells it. But if you want to, you know, have management ability for when it's in a spot where there are things that really need to be handled, whatever it's close to and things like that. So for those uses that are more intense, sometimes a special permit's a better idea. Yeah, but the fire marshal would, you know, require what he requires the same way we would at Lowe's or at Home Depot. Yeah, it's just olive flowers. It's just olive flowers. I mean, a wholesale situation is just on a way larger scale, so that's why. But with that, you have... Just tell me what the... You had retail. Yep. It can't be more...it can be 10% of the FAR. 10% of the brush water. No more than 3,000 square feet. Yes. So I think we need to add in there, and I'm going to kind of piggyback a little bit on what Joanne said. Let's say you had a tractor manufacturer, right? And they had a showroom. Somebody has a showroom with large equipment. So I think we need to add in there the word showroom because showroom is not necessarily retail, okay? Because that could be an expanded space. Right. I was thinking about the equipment. I wasn't thinking about fertilizer or anything like that. That makes perfect sense. Yeah, we can add showroom because that's exactly what we're talking about here. So, like, you know, you go to a big... And with the special permit... I was thinking about John Deere. Yeah, that's exactly... You might show a tractor, but you're wholesaling them. But beer, wine, and distilled alcohol beverages for a special permit, why would that be a special permit? So a lot of trucking and traffic. And also, I mean... Yeah, it's a more intense use. So if it's wholesale, it's in and out more. Like I said, if there's anything you guys want to change, I think we get a consensus. Yeah. I'd like to keep one thing in mind when it comes to trucking, which I know a little bit about. Trucks like to be off the road by 6, 7 o'clock in the morning. They can't survive being on the road during the middle of the day. How many semis do you see? Even you could ask a building supply. They're dropping off at 6 in the morning, man, and they're back. They don't want to be on the road. It's too expensive. You know, garbage. Yeah. You ever see a garbage truck at 10 o'clock in the morning? If you do, they're going out of business. They don't pick my garbage out of the closet. They don't pick my garbage out of the closet at 1 o'clock in the afternoon. What do you have? They pick mine out by 10. But you don't see them around all day. Yeah, so the perfect example I can think of for that is like the Claire Rose. That's a huge operation. So that's what would be a beer and wine distribution center. So that's a lot of trucks in and out that we think would. Even if it's during a confined time, it's the number and volume of trips. I don't disagree with that. Yeah. I would say you really should take a look at what's in there and how many trucks are already in there, the size of those operations, the amount of trucks going in and out. I just want to point out, like a special permit is technically legally considered a permitted use, provided you check the conditions that are listed in there. So it's not that it's, you know. It's not that you can't do it. I get it. Correct. It's really permitted, provided you meet the criteria that the board has outlined for managing impacts. That's it. Yeah. I really like the aesthetics that are being required to soften the look of all of this. I think that's as attractive as possible. Yeah. It's about being a good neighbor too. So we understand people need to run businesses and we want businesses in Riverhead, but there's also people who live here. So it's got to look good. So now, because I don't have you on the pages, I'm really sorry. I know we're a lot of customers. I did this prior to you on the pages. But the transfer of development rights. Yes. So I think that's a good thing. And I do hope that 1500 is the magic number. So I'm going to speak with Greg. So Greg amended this. We do have other recommendations for existing zones, which I think we should just change now while we're doing it. We just started with the industrial. But I mean, if we're doing this, we can. I get it. To reflect the other recommendations. The industrial I think is spot on. Yeah. So we were increasing the commercial. The commercial is also going up per the town code. Per the complaint recommendation. So I'm going to go with the commercial. Okay. So. [transcription gap] So I think we can probably do those now as long as it doesn't affect the new receiving areas that haven't been mapped yet. That would be. I really appreciate that. That. Because I think that's super important given the fact that we hardly sold anything since 2003 based on the fact that it wasn't good for the purchaser. And I love the fact that the more square footage we give out. So it's okay. This is worth it. Mm-hmm. The town is getting the tax revenue. Mm-hmm. And it's not going to be the same as the commercial and industrial. Yeah. Which we so desperately need. And on that page you have on D. Are you with me? Yeah. Yep. Okay. So on D you put in there a second line down at the end that says town board crossed out. Board. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Board crossed out. Only because it says site plan. Yeah. [transcription gap] I don't want to ask any more questions. No more questions. It should be the same in each section. I want to hear about all the trucking experience that you have. It's not. It's what's there. I'm kidding. I thought that you used to drive a truck. I used to drive a truck. Any other questions on the code before I go to the maps? We're going to put a kitty up here. Now Bob's on the clock. He has to put a quarter in for each question. Can we do a dollar? I'm going to charge. If I don't ask it now. I'm just fair. I spent a lot of time on this. On to the maps. I think they're going to pull them up onto the screen. After the work session, when will this be regularly posted? It's posted. It's posted on the work session attachments now. And then when the board is comfortable with the final draft version, we'll obviously notice it. It's going to be in the public hearing. It'll be in the public hearing attack, like the notice to schedule the public hearing. With that caveat, I will say there will be a lot of public hearings scheduled because each one of these map changes will require its own public hearing. Each one of the code sections that we're amending will require its own public hearing. So there will be a lot to see. Can we simplify on our, it might not be a question for you, but maybe. For Chip or something. On the website, like as things are being completed, there should be a simple tab, like updated zoning, comp plan use, and then click on it, or even another one that maybe if it's red, if it's written in red, it's still in the proposed stages or public. We've just got to make it easy for the public to see. I see this is done and this is not, because it's going to be hard to follow where we're at as you're going on. All right, so the map. Thank you to Heather. Heather put all these together. So the first thing you see is the existing industrial A and industrial C in Calverton. And then we flip to page two. That is the new CI district. Everything within yellow. On to the next page is the existing industrial A, industrial B in Calverton. And Cromer Avenue. And Cromer Avenue. So that's the Manor Road area is industrial A, and then up by the town's facility. Young's Ave. Young's Ave is industrial B. And then Cromer Avenue. And Cromer is an industrial A on one side and the other side. Is DRC. Yep, DRC. So that'll all be changing to light industrial. Obviously, these are more adjacent to residential areas, so this is where we're looking to land less intense uses. So that Manor Road area will be light industrial. Cromer Avenue will be light industrial on both sides. Meaning you could do recreation over there. You could. Yeah, with the exception of the parcels that front on 58, the Barclay-Earler piece, that's going to remain DRC. DRC. But the remainder of the parcels south of that are already developed with industrial uses. Industrial uses. Right. Yeah. The next is the existing industrial C areas that are outside of Calverton. So these are all industrial C. Like I said before, industrial C was like a less intense industrial zone. This is all going to become, for the most part, light industrial, which is the next one. And then we're going to go on to some other maps. So these are map changes that were just, these are things that make sense that were probably zoned incorrectly that are just sort of hangovers that were going to change now at the same time. So this is Robert Cushman Murphy Park. It was zoned industrial C. We're recommending that it gets changed to open space. Yeah, it doesn't make sense for it to become CI because it's a park. It's a park. It should be OSC. Yep. Next page, page eight. It's the industrial C parcel south of the railroad tracks and on East Main Street. This is county owned parcel. Yeah. It's reforestation. Yeah. So again, I don't see it being developed. Yeah. The county owns it. So that's going to be open space as well. Page nine. These are the industrial Z parcels on JT Boulevard. So if the board's not familiar, we spoke to the flume compound as well. North side of JT is all residential. South side, for some reason, is industrial C despite those all being improved with single family houses. Single family residences. So there's a problem with the building department. People call that, oh, I need my accessory structures. I don't know. I need my structure set back. And we say, well, there isn't one because you're industrial city. So it's a real hardship for these homeowners. So they'll be in a residential zone now. Yeah. The RV 40 matches exactly what's across the street for that neighborhood. And then the next one is a small area in Calverton on River Road. Also, these are one of them that I think has improved with the residents now. It was industrial zone. Then we're recommending a change to RV 40. It's such a tiny, I don't even know if the public can even see. It's that T. Yeah. It's a little bit smaller. [transcription gap]

It's a tiny little pie. Yeah. So on the left side of the screen on the big map, it's that tiny little yellow outline. And then we're zoomed in on the right. Yeah. So just across the train tracks, that yellow zone, that's RV 40. And then to the west is OSC. But I think we've had, again, it's the same issue people call wanting to put an accessory structure on their property that's already improved with a single family dwelling, but they're not zoned. Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. WSRR also. It makes more sense for them to be residential. And then the last one is this is existing industrial B in Calverton, so this is where the gas station is over by F-Cal before 25A branches off. This is going to be a rezoned S Hamlet Center potentially. It's a very small area. This will give a couple retail shops want to go in there. There's timber parks right there. People can shop a little bit more of a Hamlet. That's where the gas station just opened up. It was a gas station. It closed. They were doing renovations and now they reopened. The land next to the existing non-conforming gas station use. Is it a conforming use in Hamlet Center? We'll have to double check if it's conforming. But the property to the east of that, it's wooded and it's been for sale for quite some time. It's never been developed pursuant to industrial B that's been in place since the last comp plan updated. It's like a transitional area. Makes a little bit more sense than having an industrial zoned area next to people's houses. True. Great job. Less intense. And that's it for now. Quite a bit. It's been a busy couple weeks. It flows so nice now. It's so much better. Yeah, it was a collaborative effort. Everyone, we really kind of stuck our nose in the grindstone and got it done over the past couple weeks. We've been working on it. Concepts the whole time we've been doing the comp plan has really helped. We kind of knew where we wanted to go. This is how we're getting there. So, I would have to do a TDR committee meeting so we can really wrap that up. I think so. I think they're trying to set one up. One I heard this morning from Richard Wines. My question, we're going to amend the remainder of the TDR sections that came out of the recommendations of the comp plan. Are there any changes to the mapping of RV80 as a sending area right now? Or can that come later? That can come later. It might make sense to do it now. I'll discuss with Greg on how we want to handle it best. But I think it's important to get those in the existing receiving areas, get the commercial zones. When looking at RV80, are we looking at both north of Sound Avenue and south of Vane Road and Jamesport? I think so. I'll have to look at what the comp plan is. Because I would like to make it consistent. Yeah. cluster yeah I think that's important where'd you say about so it's north of South Avenue is our B 80 and then south of main road in Jamesport is our B 80 correct you know we have a little little stretch of farmland across from you know like gabrielson's yes the glass green glass greenhouse yes okay so I think they were on I think we could wrap that up okay that would be good that's good any other questions I know it's a lot not right now this is your first look it's the first look for the public they want I would say you're like 95% of the time going through this using the SIC codes what are we doing there unbelievable it's like we're in the 21st century like little 15 years late but we're there we're good there they don't make it's a lot more user friendly it's great no because we were looking like Don said before you're looking at permitted uses it looks like five uses per zone use district and then everything is subject to an interpretation yeah but I guess this is also based on our definition but yeah it'll definitely help it's a big change but just up at the Young's Avenue so now that gets labeled as light industrial yes I see like so it's not transfer station but I always hope that at some point we can do like a recycling center up there for the community as a whole so if it's gonna be municipally owned I think that's a different question if it's private I think that's something you as the board would need to discuss to consider but something you want to allow in that zone because then you're once it's in light industrial then it's everywhere it's hard to carve out a specific area to say like oh it can only be in the light industrial zone if it fronts on Young's Avenue with them that's one block and then that's your road. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. so I would just love to see that the old Animal Shelter would become like an education facility yeah I think so yeah so like recycling so I think it's an idea place it's right next to another waste management company whatever so you already have vehicles going in so I think it's not but I just want to make it like I think we've talked about an educational facility for recycling for the community we do mulching and so forth across the street the Highway Department like drops everything off there People should be able to go to a facility where they can actually pick that up and take it back to the homes. Potting soil and other things that are made from the leaves. Town operated? But what extent? If it's municipal, then we have much more leeway whether it's allowed or not. It's when it's a private business. Do we need to make any specifications in that now? I don't think so. To say that that could be? No, I don't think so. Because it allows, I mean, we could clarify maybe stuff in the use table. But you as the town have broad authority in terms of what you're allowed to do and how you comply to your own zoning. And I'm certainly not considering an outside company for a transportation. But if we wanted to take, I'd like the town to eventually get through a zero carbon footprint. So if we had our five municipal trucks went to one place to package up and then send it to another place. I just can't imagine any other place in the town that you would do that. I don't think it would. If you banned it, you wouldn't. You wouldn't. I don't think it precludes you from doing that on the town level if it's operated by the municipality. I'll say that broadly now. But if it's private, it doesn't matter. And that's something you or the board would have to decide. That's what door you want to open or keep closed. Is that right? I just want to clean up the property. It's just, understand that. It's a major ICR. I know they're not in the building now. They're just going to keep the office. They're just going to keep the office section. Which building, Doc? The kennel. The kennel, you know, the old dog kennel thing. Who's knocking it down? We are. At some point, I mean, the town is because it's... I don't know what sort of way I got. It's a question of why we're not keeping it down. No, they're keeping the office section. This is what B&G wants to do. They want to keep the office section for the guy who works the yard waste thing there. But he said the rest of the building is just falling apart. I'm just, you know, I'm just trying to understand. I'm just trying to understand. [transcription gap] Thank you. [transcription gap] Are we good? Yeah, thank you folks. Yeah. Great job. Great job. I know it's a lot, but if you have any questions or need specification... So much better. Yeah. Do your homework and we'll get back to you. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. [transcription gap] Okay, we are moving on to matters surrounding change to Chapter 217 and 263, penalty increases for no permits, with Kern through. Thank you. Good morning. Hello. So, I figure we'll start off discussing the no building permit, no CO. As you can see, it's been a little bit since this code has been refreshed. It's like the last time it was amended was 1989. Wow. So, in order to hang our hats on why we're doing this, why we're increasing the amount. So, right now it's capped at 500, which means there's no minimum, and it's capped at 500. So, it's very difficult in court. You always ask for the maximum 500. We get a little bit of help with the surcharge, but really it's got to be increased. So, I apply the cumulative rate of inflation. So, something that was worth about $500 in 1989 is worth about $1,300 now. So, that's why we landed at the $1,000 minimum and a $3,000 maximum so that, you know, as time goes by, sliding scale of inflation, we don't have to change it so much. We can, you know, climb up as that goes on. Also, why I wanted to have it as a minimum of $1,000 and a maximum of $3,000 is that, as we know, building permits, they vary. You know, someone putting in a goat pen and resolving it within two weeks court time is very different than someone finishing a basement for an accessory apartment and dragging the case out. So, you know, that would be the way I would prosecute those is if there's a quick turnaround and it's a small item and they resolve it, it would be more toward the $1,000. If it's, you know, it's a frequent bad actor, we'd be more up on the $3,000. And those go hand in hand with the COs, and that would be the same range for those as well. So, just to get us to be able to, you know, bring it up to the minimum. And, you know, we're going to have to go back to modern times and break even on these. That's excellent. In fact, in light of the fact that we're going to allow accessory dwellings now, that we'll make sure that people are following the code. Yep. So, speaking of accessory apartments, I guess we'll move on to rental permits. This was recently updated in 2022. But as you know, in the past couple of years, the amount of money that landlords take in for rentals of houses and apartments is, I mean, it's in the thousands. So, we just wanted to do a minor change on this. Bring that up from, I believe it's right now, it's $500 to $1,500 for no rental permit. We want to bring that up to $1,000 to $2,000. Again, having that range, you know, case by case basis. And then second offense in the five years is two to three. And then third offense with three to six. So, not much of a change on that. But just... To really start having these fines as a... To make the town whole for the wrongdoing and to also serve as a deterrent for people that are, you know, not doing anything through the town until they get a letter of the mail. So, my one question is, how do we tie the same offender together from multiple locations? So, when you don't... If you are a landlord and you own three homes and you're not obtaining rental permits for all of them. And your one violation is home number one, let's call it in Janesport. And then you're doing the same guilty thing for home number two in Wading River. How do we tie it together that's really should be seen as a second offense to me because you've already, as an owner, you know, you've already been informed that you need a rental permit. So, I don't want to say, well, this is the first time I'm in violation of Wading River, but, you know. Right. So, that would require a disposition on one of them before the other to be able to make it that they fled on one and that it would be a second offense. I mean, we could coordinate that. But that's what we would be kind of stuck at would be to, let's say, resolve the Janesport case first, have the fine schedule for the first offense, and then move on and resolve the next case and then have it... But there would have to be a disposition first. Even if it's a year later. So, you're convicted, you resolve fine number one in Janesport, you're found guilty, you did it. You've now been told the law. Yep. And now you go ahead a year later and you buy another home in Wading River and you don't get your permits. I wanted to see that as the second file. It would be, yes. That's what I'm making sure that it's considered. Yeah. If it's the same defendant, it wouldn't matter what the location is. It doesn't have to be the same property. It's just the actual offense regardless of the location in town. Yeah. As long as it's the same... It could actually be the same property if there's been a conviction... Yeah. Yeah. It could even be the same property. As long as it's the same defendant, yeah, we could for sure... That's what I'm just saying. I wanted to make sure that multiple properties... Yes. ...owned by the same individuals, corporation, or entities would be held... Yeah. 100%. Okay. ...in the same property. Because we know we've got some place... Bob's happy. ...and it's the same thing. Oh, repeat of sentence or... Exactly. I don't want to say what we know about this one. Not yet. I'll tell you why. Okay. I appreciate you did the, from 1989 until now, the cost of living, but I also would like to add in there, it's the cost of labor. On the first one in B, I don't see why we're not going $2,000 and not exceed $1,000. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're going to be eating $3,000. Just because if we advertise in the labor... Forget just the CPI over that time, but also factor in the labor. I would... I agree. For something like that, I would ask for $2,000. I just wanted to include the small structures like your chicken coops, your goat pens, stuff like that. If we had a minimum of $2,000, then I would be stuck with that for the less egregious offenses. Beautiful. Okay. So like a shed permit too? Yeah. Like things like that, I wanted there to be able to be some sort of wiggle room. Yeah. You did say that. I'm now absorbing that. So in one, in A1, is there a reason why we're not just going to $2,000 and $3,000 in one and then $3,000 to $4,000 in two? I mean, why are we being so... To me, they're lenient funds. But... I'm using your experience fighting these in court. What's a rental permit cost on a yearly basis? So it depends on bedrooms. I believe the minimum, it's about $225 for one bedroom and then it goes up with the fees from there. So I guess we didn't want to get too far away from... But that's what I'm thinking. If we're comparing, let's say two bedrooms is now $550 a year. So if you avoid that, you're only going to get... You know what I mean? We've got to hit them apart or we got to make them want to pay for the permit because it's more financially... Correct. Right. Yeah. That's the thing. It has to be a cost to the business, not a cost of doing business. Right. I don't want it to be a slap on the hand and they go, okay, now I'll do my permit. I want them to slap in the head and they go, next time I'm doing my permit because I'm not kind of wanting... Right. Right. We had had the discussion that if someone has a summer rental, they're bringing in about $30,000, $40,000 for a season. Right. $30,000 is nothing out of what they're making on the rental of that house. Yeah. Which is why code could potentially go out there every week and issue these and they can compile in that way. Obviously, that takes a lot more manpower and a lot more time to do that, but that's another way to kind of... But to your point, so if we increase these fines now and then it makes it worthwhile for code to go back, check in a week. Yeah. Right? And now we're up to $4,000 because they've been hit twice. Okay. So... And a rental is going for $3,000, $3,500 a month. Right. So we'd want to say, what I'm gathering from everyone is you'd want to see the rates that were for the second offense to be the first offense and then kind of expand on that forward? Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. [transcription gap] had a question how often can you issue these violations is it daily I believe it's a week that it's notice I don't think it's daily although I'll triple check but I'm pretty sure it's every week to counsel woman waski's point that if somebody has a summer rental we'll hit them up every week that they have a violation if that's the yeah and that's time frame that they can do that two to three three to six sixty so the Justice Court can only collect a certain amount of money so before we hit Supreme Court yeah so I think that's why I left the maximum there because I believe that's the maximum that can be collected by the next five or six I think I think it's five but the code right now has it at six we would never ask for that and it wouldn't become an issue I guess but I'll check with Justice Court to make sure but I think that's why I said that each one is five right so yeah so they can it would be a separate docket and you're allowed to get the max okay [transcription gap] !

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Absolutely! Here's some physical items. I think it would be a lot of money. Are you presenting evidence? I'm presenting evidence. Okay great. I see you have your attorneys with you. Oh! I'll just do a quick intro. I know you all know Kevin. Kevin wears parking management systems. We have been working with Kevin because we know that he's been working with us for a long time. We know that what's happening downtown is going to generate the need for managed paid parking. As we've discussed the parking garage is going to be a paid structure. So in order to implement paid parking in the parking garage the rest of downtown needs to be managed. And we've been working on parking studies for the last that's now at least four years. Just kind of getting a handle on what we have inventory. How we use it. Where it should be. Where it's best used. What the time limit should be. And so when we knew we were going to have to have managed parking we retained Kevin with grant funding to help us put that together. Kevin's done a tremendous job in the Port Jefferson Village implementing their parking management. And he's a wealth of knowledge and we've been exploring a lot of different things. And we've been working with Kevin to consider working with the stakeholders, the bid, the chamber, downtown businesses. Kevin's been doing all that outreach. The parking district committee has met with Kevin multiple times. He's brought a few guests in to speak to the committee about what's happening in other places and how we can use those things here. And so we're getting to it's time to test how this will work. And so we were looking at different ways to do that. It's been recently done in Greenport. Recently done in Sag Harbor. Tests of paid parking. And we think that it's best to test it when there's actual volume. So we looked at 1125. We couldn't get that to work out. But the country fair is upcoming. And so we thought not to test parking, managed parking for an event. But rather to test managed parking for a lot of other things. Just to see how it works and what kind of information we can gather. So we are sort of gearing up for that. And I'll now turn it over to Kevin. Thank you. And good morning again. Good morning. So forthcoming to this board and the parking committee will be my comprehensive and hopefully the last report you see on parking for a long time. But as I've said before, that marries the 2020 and then comes forward to 2024, looks into 2025. The parts of that study that I'm not sure about. But I'm still under wraps on is to study the actual what you will end up with as a parking department. Which is extremely important going forward, especially if, and it's not if, you are building a garage. Multi-deck, I like to call them. So that structure of management is extremely important. So I am, as Dawn said, I brought a guest here. Was very, very valuable. But from New Jersey. So we're speaking to, at this time, Albany and NIAC. And part of the comprehensive report will be written and detailed surveys with real people on Main Street. So you will have some real back and forth talks with in writing surveys about what parking means to them. And we've uncovered some, I think you'll see, some revealing items. So we'll see if they get angry. No, I, there's always, I'm not getting that feeling at all. They want a working system. And they understand what the future means. And then the third part of that would be a working test under our belts. Which we could do. The last time I was here, we outlined something. There were about 21 steps to get from that something to, for example, that day. Which would be October 13th. And we're working at it hard, that's for sure. So up on the screen, what I, why do a pilot? So testing these systems will probably be, probably be, not probably, but definitely be part of a bigger managed parking plan as Riverhead goes through their development process. We want to gather data to implement enforcement technology. There will be a whole report on enforcement. But a pay by plate system would allow very easy enforcement and very detailed enforcement. We've talked about that before. We want to gather survey data from the public and businesses. We can do that real time with this pilot. And we want to add these roles to the comprehensive report. Comprehensive report I just talked about. Your nearest municipality is now managing parking. As you know, it's East Hampton, Sayoc, Harbor, Port Jefferson, Patchogue, and Greenport. Announced a 45 day trial just recently. So it's not out of the question to do these types of pilots. This pilot would be a non-metered pilot. Low cost. There would be no installation of meters. No need for electricity. It would be done through a scanned park system. Which we developed and would also be white labeled to Riverhead. I thought that was important. I don't know. You can put that up on the screen if you'd like. Justin, can we zoom in on the sign on the table? So we've gotten to the point in technology. Yes, it's incredible, right? We talked about 90, 95, maybe 100% of people have telephones, cell phones. This is a very clean way to do this. Notice it's... Got it? Yeah. Do it that way, you won't see the whole... Yeah, we can zoom. He can zoom. He can zoom. He can wipe it up. Oh, okay. Now can you zoom back, Justin, a little? There we go. Then turn it? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I see what you mean. There you go. This is a 12 by 18 sign. To my side I have the next size up. Depending on where these are located, we'll have the opportunity to use both. Like that? Yeah. 12 by 18 is your standard DPW sign. This is Coroplast. Since it is a pilot, there's no reason to go metal, but we could go metal in the future, aluminum. Extremely easy and forward. Many people know how to scan for menus, and you know the reasons why people have done that during the pandemic and so forth. Or text. We're going a step further. We're also doing a text-to-park. Text-to-park will allow people that just have older phones that can't scan, and this is just a demonstration. This is actually live. You could scan that, but we're not up with our account yet for the town of Riverhead. They'll have the ability to scan the park or the text-to-park. The rates will be plain as day. We did talk about these particular rates, which I think as we look at different municipalities, these are reasonable and in line, and in some cases lower than. Then an additional help. If somebody is just completely frustrated and they needed help, they can go to the local area. Where is this? Where is this store? We're going to be able to back them up with that, too. That's the last number on the bottom. But I think what you'll see on the latest item is we're all going to put an additional line here that all handicap parking would be free. Now, that's completely this board's decision. I would recommend that, that handicap parking be free. Okay. So if we can go to slide two, please. We've got slide two, Justin. All right. [transcription gap] I'm pretty much getting to that point where I do have to read here or not there. Next time I'll connect to a laptop. So there we go. Next one, please. There we go. I don't know if you can read that. Can you zoom in a little more? So I'll read it. What we're proposing is a one-day pilot, and I'll get back to that in a second. That would be October 13th with time from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. with rates of $1 an hour or $5 for the whole day, which is a deal compared to the $1 an hour if they're staying long-term. They can pay by scanning. They can pay by texting. We talked about that. We're now getting through the process. It is Honk Mobile. Who's... Yeah. I'm very, very experienced in this and offers this white labeling for Riverhead. Accepted payment types would be any credit card, Apple Pay, and PayPal, which is super convenient. I can demonstrate once we get up with our own code just how fast it is. You can park in under 10 seconds, the entire process. Whereas if you go to a meter, those of you that are gone meters, that can take three, four, five, I've seen people at meters for 10 minutes. The parker simply enters their plate number, the length of time they'd like to stay. And the payment choice from above. They receive a digital receipt and a reminder when their time is up. So if they park for two hours, 15 minutes, or one hour and 45 minutes into that, they'll have a reminder. Hey, time to re-up or your session is over. There'll be a backend cloud. No crazy programs. You'll just be able to log in from a website. And I would think it would be Dawn or who is deemed to be managing this can look at the different levels. Okay. So you can see the different sessions that came in either real time or then this is Sunday. So it'll be the next week and see exactly what happened during that process. To renew to pay gives you a little timeframe. Like if you pay for one hour parking, does the reminder come up like in 45 minutes saying you have 15 minutes to pay the second hour or get to your car? Right? Yes. And we can adjust that for a 10 minute reminder, 15 minute reminder, whatever we'd like. Okay. As a tow truck is circling around. We are standing at. We are standing at your car. There are certain locations that have boots and all kinds of. We're from here. We're not doing any of that. Just the way you get reminded of a meeting. The meeting is in 30 minutes. Exactly. Or 15 minutes on your phone. How does whoever is enforcing the parking, how do they know whether or not you paid for the day or you paid for an hour? So that's an entire other session for sure because we're not actually enforcing this parking for this day. No, I know. But in the future. How is that going to be? In the future. I mean, I think it's going to be a little bit different. I think it's going to be a little bit different. [transcription gap] The idea with this system would dovetail into a handheld system and up would come the fact that that's expiring. By plate. Yeah, by plate. Exactly. And location. And location. If we decide to do zones. The stalls would be numbered? We would not number. Those days are over. Just plate? Yeah, it's plate. And then the ticket. The same thing. [transcription gap] and seeing just how easy it is and reporting back to the town how it went. And volume. And volume. How do you, how's it, the location determined if they're not numbered stalls? Payments. How will the officer know on the handheld where that car is that is expired at this point in time? If it was one lot it would be very easy. We just point the handheld, you can see the actual, that lot itself would be the managed lot. You can see that come up on the handheld. A town of this size would normally have ALPR, automated license plate reading, where a car goes through and immediately scans a plate and up comes hey this is permitted, this is paid, or this is not a paid session. But I'm thinking like the 2nd Street parking lot. It's a pretty big parking lot. Yes it is. So how do, I'm the enforcement officer. I have the handheld. How do I know that your car or my car is expired? So that's why I chose this next lot that I'm about to talk about. Okay. Because it's more manageable. Okay. You're exactly right. I was, I'm gonna get to that. So these back-end reports will be available real-time or the week thereof. So we can all look at it. Who will pay? So we think everyone should pay with the exception of, and this is open for discussion, the employees or the store owners directly in back, or if you look at it, in front of this parking lot. We already talked about handicaps not having to pay, handicapped parkers, and we would give a special we could give a special code to anyone that we didn't think should pay on that particular pilot. Like the vendors today at the fair. That we wouldn't charge them. Right. But I think we would work along with the vendors, I'm sorry, with the Country Fair management to not even park there. Because we don't think, well let me first say the parking lot that I am recommending is the Griffin Avenue parking lot. Because it's very manageable. It's 127 spaces. And it's, it's contained so we can do a proper pilot. The Second Ave, Second Street parking lot is, is huge. It would involve probably multiple people, which we could do, but it's 300, or more spaces. So to answer your question, we can contain all that data within that. Got you. Kevin, I, you know, I like the Second Street because it only has two ways in and out. But that, I don't, and Griffin has what, one way to to has to to do a lot of people use it I know it's our busiest lot on the day of the fair on the day that they're absolutely a slot year-round good people coming for I said I sent a video to go on yesterday at two what was the day before yesterday surprised me Monday at 2 p.m. it's a hundred percent full which right every single study I was good sure I was concerned about the vendors but they go into the second street parking lot one of the things that that lot is that there's some offices so there's a lot of people that park all day there and there's not enough turnover for the for the businesses like diggers really wants like a two-hour turnover because it keeps them open for their customers so that that's that lots always been kind of an issue we want the people that are just and this is like just parking strategy you want the people that are gonna be there all day to park further away that you know and as you get closer it's a quicker turnover sorry no that's good that's good can we get this can you put the map up the parking lot aerial okay this is a lot at first you're right we talked about the second street lot then I went out and surveyed and a few things I noticed number one you have beautiful wooden signs already on the slot Thank You Dawn yeah and so that that counts right we want a good look Riverhead and I have a picture of it here if we need to see it well what you're seeing here is seven handicapped spaces which by the way is two more than you actually need by law I just making that note if you needed more spaces you could by law get them I think it's one per 20 spaces so that's a possibility the red would indicate where the scan the park signs would go you have much better locations of lanterns or light poles here then you do the second street lot so I noted that the other item that's really important and I will personally be there myself that day we go through with this test from 8 a.m. at least till 8 p.m. we want to be able to tell people hey I don't want to pay for parking if you just go across the street to the second street plot there's 300 spaces there it's free so we have that ability to do that and that's why I thought the change was necessary in that regard so and the the third item here is the entry signs themselves so we can clearly tell people you know what's happening that particular day so 127 spaces seven handicap to answer your question mr. supervisor the idea of a small lot like this is you would take a handheld and you'd be a parking attendant and you would scan each individual plate because you're looking and you're seeing hey this cars been a long time but normally when you get into a lot of buying you go into the AI LPR where it's automated right because he has to point that to each one what we would do is if more lots than this were being enforced we will go to the run major process so there's two ways to purchase one you're purchasing for an hour the other one is you just stay in there and then you purchase when you leave one way to purchase but two ways to pack up one way to start a session I'm sorry two ways to start a session a scan to park or a text to park and at least five different ways to pay there's a lot of different ways to pay and I'm sorry so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so seven days past like some of my my time points I don't know that we get a validation system going so what we do instead is we would do a promo code and that would just be given there's not a lot of businesses there I think there's less than 20 I personally met every single one of them already so we would give them a code for their employees but here's the thing employees in fact should not even be parking at this lot in my mind to me this is a this is a shoppers dream lot if you park here and get out on Main Street in your shop they're hurting yourself if you're hurting your so used to park so my document to business would politely say please have your you know you park in the back of 2nd Street there's always space there and let your customers park here because if somebody's paying to park here they're usually here to shop they're here because they want to be here and they have to be here so that that's kind of where we want to go with this and that's that's the proper way to manage parking it would not be to have 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I'm there for four hours to the supervisors point now I could get a ticket correct yes but you would have gotten a notice on your phone that says you want to rehab the band's really loud okay well you gotta pay attention to that yes is on you you know you pay I think you know when you stayed more than that I'll just I don't know drinking in that hour so let's go through the let's go through conventionally conventionally let's go back 20 years no such thing as scan the park you pay it a minute you get a receipt yeah you used to put it in the dashboard yeah right but still it's some at some point it expires right and so the office would come over and look at the receipt and go hey you're an hour over here's a ticket what's some great period put in there with it with what with the license plate readers right does it does it just is that a different system where you pull in clock starts ticking and when you pull out that's what you're paying yeah the license plate you put it in when you scan this code no I'm talking about down the road I'm sorry yes the system that you're speaking about would most likely be used in a multi-deck atmosphere or ecosphere if you will with permitted parkers. So if we decided down the line, the town decided that this segment of people, I won't even name that segment of people, that's to be determined, gets a yearly permit, you're right, they pull in, there's no problem, because the license plate reader said they're permitted. They pull in and out unobstructed from tickets. That's where the license plate payment is done, or authorization is better. It's prepaid parking, basically. Right, just like easy, easy. So even with license plate readers, if I pull into that lot, I have to determine that I'm gonna be there for an hour. So what if I like the idea I go in there for three hours, and when I leave, and now it's charging me for the three hours, or two hours and 45 minutes, it doesn't do that. I don't know of any systems that park that way in open lots. But you're asking a good question, because people often don't know exactly how long they're gonna stay. Closed lots at the airport. You go in, they give you, you get a ticket, you take the ticket out of the machine, it's time stamped. When you leave, you turn the ticket in, they charge you for the time you're there. That's, I think, what you're referring to. Keep point being a gate. Yes. Almost impossible to do a gate. Well, I hope we have a gate at the garage. Gate, you'd have a garage. 100%. But the thing that if you try to run it, you get flat tires. But I think, too hard. Well, we're not at that stage. This is just an open flat tire. Pretty harsh there, Bob. I think, you know, and I just wanna point out, we're not ready to implement this town-wide yet. Right. It's just, we're ramping up, and we're getting ahead of what we need to do, so that when we do build the garage, we're ready. We know how much we can expect. We know, with the input of the neighboring businesses, what they, they'll know what they can expect. They'll understand. We've been talking about paid parking for five years now, with the businesses downtown. They understand, and they're frustrated with the current situation. So, if we can help by, you know, clearing lots with timeframes that work, and having a more efficient enforcement system, we'll really be effective in getting our downtown more able to be activated, so. I always hear the concern from the business owners, well, you're chasing my customers away, because I have to pay to park. Where don't you pay to park? I mean, are they chasing customers away in Patchogue, or Farmingdale, or Port Jeff? Those places are packed. Those parking lots, you gotta ride around to find a spot. Yeah. And they're all paid parking. So, the fear that people aren't gonna come to your business, because I gotta pay now to go in, it's just not realistic. Yeah. And I think, too, the point of this is that you're making people that are just illegally using that as their own personal parking space, won't be able to do that anymore. A lot will be freed up for customers that are going to the businesses. And some of those businesses won't be able to use a validation system that gets implemented where the customers that come for a restaurant, or whatever, won't need to pay. It'll be taken care of. It'll be taken off the bill, or somehow, or they're handled. But it's done everywhere, as you say. The garage will have operations and maintenance costs that will need to be covered. The taxpayers are not gonna be the ones that are gonna pay for that. It'll be paid for by the people that use the facility. And this is all part of making that happen. We want people to park once in the garage, or in a neighboring lot, and walk throughout. Yeah. [transcription gap] We want that.

I think they're in the midst of it. Oh, they're in the midst of it now. It's a good time of year to do it. I would be, because I think there would be something that we would probably do next year. Would we do it? I think we need to do something like that. Clicking through this as... We'll have the opportunity to do that. I mean, we should even decide, because these signs are very temporary in their nature, or have the ability to be temporary, but they could also, just so you know, they could stay up and parking could be turned off literally by the app itself. So someone could scan this and say, welcome to the Riverhead, it's free parking today. So that's the beautiful part about this. We can remotely control parking and rates and promo codes, all that. Can't do that with meters. So we'll decide the details on that. Yep. A TBD, as they say. A mile and a half. And then we'll be looking forward to seeing what happens with the pilot. Yep. It'll be a good day to test it. You'll know if I have bruises over here. You'll know how I'm... Don't you hire people to get the bruises done? That should be fine. Yeah. Good. Exciting. Great. We have some volunteers in the back, I think. Devin will do it. Yeah, Devin will do it. Devin will do it. Devin will do it. I can stand out there with the sign, like Carol. Carol Merrill, right? Yeah. There's Carol Merrill. Oh, yeah. And here's the sign. Door number one. Yep. Excellent. Any other questions, folks? No. Good. Super. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. So this trial run for the public will be Sunday, the 13th of October. It will be the parking lot behind Diggers, which is between Roanoke Avenue and Griffin Avenue. And it will be $1 per hour or $5 for all day. You have your phone. You scan the code. It will tell you what to do. Everything else, you make your payment, and you're good to go. And the parking lot is small enough where we're not going to let anybody be unhappy. I can see from one side to the other. Right, right. Right. Okay. You need to change your sample. You're scaring everybody by saying $30.25. Oh, God. Just show the record. Yeah. Well, the point of that is just three different hours. Yes, we would have had that. And we will have that done. Thank you. Very good. Thank you, Kevin. Thanks so much. Should we take this? Yes. Okay.

Okay, that completes our open session. I just have a couple announcements to make. Last night started the Jewish holiday of Rosh Hashanah, and we wish all those who celebrate a very happy new year. We also acknowledge October is National Breast Day, so you should head over to américaza.tv so you can head over to américaza.tv [transcription gap] so you can head over to américaza.tv to see where those are if you'd like to participate. And Saturday, October 5th, Grangebelle Park, from 3 p.m. to 9 p.m., has their annual Oktoberfest, and there'll be live music by the Bratwurst Boys, and reflections in the park will be all lit up for the evening hours also. So if you're looking for something to do on Saturday, at 3 o'clock, the Oktoberfest starts. So other than that, I would say everybody... One more thing. This Saturday is also Jamesport Fire Department's open house. Yes, absolutely. Jamesport's open house. 9 a.m., I think, till 12. 9 to 1, I think. 9 to 1. Okay. Jamesport Fire Department has their annual open house down at their station house on Manor Lane in Jamesport, and they have all sorts of good demonstrations there, and it looks like the weather's going to be good this year. It was a little soggy down there last year, and it's going to be good this year. They also do their... I guess it's a yard sale across the street in their building, so it's a good time down there, and I think that does it for our commercials for the town of Riverhead. Okay. Everybody have a great week, a great weekend. Enjoy and stay safe out there. We're going to make a motion to close open session in a second and go into executive session, and we'll be discussing matters surrounding utility obligations per contract, with Diapola, Testa, and Coyne. And that's it. So if I could have a motion to close open session. Motion. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Open session is closed, and we will be retiring to executive session. Thank you, everybody.

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