October 10, 2024 — Town Board Work Session

Town Board Work Session Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
0:30[transcription gap]
1:17Thank you, Denise.
1:21Okay, we have a couple items or announcements to make.
1:26This Sunday, October 13th,
1:28is the Riverhead Country
1:29Fair and the weather looks great and it's from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. so if you're looking for something
1:37to do it's always a great time down there. Again Sunday October 13th Rivet Country Fair from 10 a.m.
1:44to 5 p.m. Monday October 14th Town Hall is closed for Columbus Day and tomorrow Friday October 11th
1:54is Garfield Langhorne Day and we have something special happening. I will let Councilman Rothwell
1:59explain it for us. Thank you very much Supervisor. Tomorrow is the second Friday in the month of
2:05October and we had the distinct pleasure two years ago to present the resolution proclaiming this day
2:11as Private First Class Garfield Langhorne's Day. Through the great work of the Veterans Advisory
2:16Committee we've been given the incredible honor to have on loan to us Private First Class Garfield
2:21M. Langhorne's Congressional Medal of Honor. We are truly grateful to Garfield's family to share
2:27his Medal of Honor with us.
2:28It will be on display tomorrow through Veterans Day here in the lobby of Town Hall. We invite all Town Hall
2:35employees and our entire community to join us tomorrow morning at 8 30 a.m. here in the lobby
2:39in the presence of Garfield's family to unveil his Congressional Medal of Honor for all to see.
2:46We will share his heroic story as well to keep his memory alive. There's a biblical quote that says
2:52there is no greater sacrifice than to lay down one's life for others and that so profoundly says
2:57the story of Garfield Langhorne.
2:58I'm grateful to all of our veterans and may all that serve our country and we look forward to this incredible honor tomorrow morning so please join us.
3:07Thank you Ken. I will tell you I saw you guys putting it together yesterday and the public is going to be very happy and surprised when they see what it is. A fantastic job and I encourage everybody to come out for that. I appreciate it very much. Thank you.
3:24It's quite emotional just to be able to hold his Medal for a few moments in your hand.
3:28Yes.
3:28And to place it in the case so it's unbelievable. It will be very moving tomorrow morning.
3:32Very good. Alright we're going to move on to open session. We have we'll start out with Mattis around in a follow-up discussion regarding a pilot for paid parking with Kevin Wood, Dawn Thomas and Eric Howard.
3:45Good morning.
3:50Good morning.
3:51Just to set the tone here a little bit we talked about this at our last work session.
3:58About implementing a paid for parking trial run on the day of the country fair and then afterwards we started talking and we felt maybe it was better to run to give us a more accurate model to go by.
4:14We decided to go with 30 days so we're back to talk about that today.
4:18But a little confusion in the community and everything but I will turn that over to you guys now and explain it.
4:25Thank you.
4:26I'll do a little quick intro.
4:27So.
4:28You know as we've been discussing Kevin is working on a pilot program to test a parking system including the technology and equipment and also to make sure that the stakeholders in the community are deeply involved in what we decide to do.
4:41There was some confusion as you had indicated over the idea that paid parking was coming soon.
4:47It is not coming soon.
4:49It is coming at some point but in order to make it go smoothly when it does arrive and when the time is right for the board to implement paid parking.
4:56Okay.
4:57Thank you.
4:58So we will have all of the data that we need to collect to make sure that it runs smoothly that the stakeholders and the businesses downtown understand what's happening know how the system works that the public is well aware of how the system can work.
5:13And as we also indicated at the last meeting.
5:17You know paid parking becomes necessary to manage existing parking so in our prior parking studies.
5:23It's been clear that currently we have adequate parking but it's not well managed and it's not.
5:27Prioritized to the consumers and the public.
5:29So for instance.
5:30You know the typical standard of.
5:31Parking which Kevin can tell you more about.
5:32He's an expert in this is.
5:33You know you want the turnover closest to the places of business.
5:34So.
5:35You know.
5:36So those are the things that we're working on.
5:37But.
5:38Because of some of the stakeholder engagement.
5:39The country fair was a little concerned about doing the test on that day.
5:40So.
5:41You know.
5:42So.
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6:25As I had said last time, the three things that I need to complete my full report is the, you know,
6:31the eventual structure of what a parking and enforcement departments look like,
6:38some very, very deep, detailed feedback from businesses and the public.
6:43And those surveys have happened before the announcement of this pilot and a survey after the pilot,
6:49I think, are consummate and very, very needed for you to see and the public to see fully.
6:54So that's the reason for this pilot.
6:59So, Kevin, I think it's important.
7:02I know you've reached out to all the businesses, which is great.
7:07I think it's important for the public to know that, number one.
7:10Number two, also that any of the patrons who go in there are not going to be paid, right?
7:17Has anybody, so in other words, they're going to be given a code?
7:21This is a true paid test.
7:23Right.
7:23So if I go into a restaurant, I'm paying even the restaurant?
7:29You'll scan the code in the parking lot when you park and you will pay and then go into your restaurant.
7:35Just during this 30-day period.
7:37After that, it can be set up differently so there can be exceptions or exceptions for certain days or certain people
7:47or it can be set up with the restaurants where you can go in and the restaurant will pay for the parking.
7:52Right.
7:53[transcription gap]
7:55but that's that's way ahead of us yet that's not what we're out I understand
7:59that I'm talking about these initial 30 days because I was under the impression
8:04that if I went to a restaurant ate in that restaurant I spent two hours in
8:09there right that not and I was going to be given a code because I was occupying
8:14that restaurant right the other the other thing is where it's being done
8:20there's a lot of offices right right there on I think it's 30 West Main 20 and
8:2631 20 and 30 West Main well they be given a code so they don't have to pay
8:30to park because that's where they park right so so let me say this I would
8:34think that no matter what parking lot we chose that was convenient to Main Street
8:39all those concerns would still take place so I don't want to give anybody
8:43the idea that this particular part parking lot was chosen for any of the
8:46reason that it's manageable right and it's it's a size
8:50and it's a size that's not going to be a problem for us and it's a size that's
8:50and it's busy enough where we can truly get the numbers we need what you're
8:54speaking about is validation and if I may give this to you we will have
9:01validation in place but it's optional as to whether a restaurant wants to
9:09validate that'll be part of what what I'm doing in terms of educating a
9:14restaurant maybe a restaurant doesn't want to
9:16validate so if a restaurant validates just clarify that is that
9:20mean the restaurant is paying for the parking or is that that's correct okay
9:23so they have to choose to pick up that code exactly exactly so they would
9:27choose that we're a little bit ahead of ourselves because some of these ways
9:30that we validate this for great ways to validate would involve enforcement and
9:34systems that we do not let yet have in place so at this point a validation can
9:39be something as simple as for thanks for coming in I understand you're paid in
9:42the back can I take that parking off your bill it could be that simple and I
9:45will start an education process in that regard but again if somebody because what
9:49your real estate is is that you're paying for parking and you're not going to get paid for parking.
9:50really talking about is somebody going on to Main Street and not I think what
9:54you're intimating they're not wanting to pay and when I what I had said last
9:57time is only a few feet away at the parking lot we're not testing they could
10:02park for free no no I understand that I'm specifically talking about the
10:08parking lot behind diggers yep all right specifically and this is you know I and
10:15so for 30 days I mean because I just look at the businesses struggling now
10:19but aside from that they do you know for a fact they're struggling because part
10:25of what I talked to them about is how they are doing and I've heard I haven't
10:29heard that okay also Bob keep in mind that particular parking lot and you
10:35mentioned 30 West Main and 20 West Main if the employees are parking there all
10:40day it's hurting the businesses so the idea of paid parking is you come in you
10:45turn over the parking you come in you go do what you got to do and you leave and
10:49you leave but with this the people at 20 and 30 West Main can park right across
10:54the street near the parking lot for free all day long and it's freeing up spaces
10:57for customers to come and use the businesses that my second question I get
11:02that so my second question is this there's a tax that there's a parking
11:07district tax right does this conflict with the fact of the parking district
11:12tax at all that tax relates to like maintenance of parking lots okay I'm
11:18just asking the question
11:19I was asked to answer the question so Bob take one of these validation methods
11:28will be in place so that the restaurant at their choice could essentially pay
11:33for the test of parking that will be in place so just imagine this is to try to
11:40determine usage going in and out down there do we necessarily have to charge a
11:46fee or can it be simply participate in scan a code just
11:49to see the utilization of it or where people are going and how long they're
11:52there for thank you for asking that question we remember around the table on
11:56that a few times I think you'll agree any system would not be fully tested
12:01unless we had good and bad by the way I've scanned this thing and I couldn't
12:05pay or this was the easiest thing I've ever done or somewhere in between we
12:09feel we need these actual transactions coming into the town of Riverheads bank
12:14account to truly say this has been the test that we want to test I think we
12:19think it's really important that we do that and I think that's a really good question.
12:19important why the length of 30 days is that it's like can we do a week or two
12:26weeks so like tell me a little bit about like how we chose 30 days.
12:29there was in the time frame that we chose some holidays but some normal
12:32business days and some weekdays and so the longer time frame we hoped to capture
12:38you know during the one day test a busy day so we're gonna have a variety of
12:42days now that we're gonna have data on that we wouldn't otherwise have and an
12:47opportunity to for the businesses to
12:49see how it works for for us to understand if people have a lot of
12:53questions or concerns or if there any issues you know the best way to do this
12:58as Kevin said we have plenty of studies and these are but the boots on the
13:01ground study that we're gonna do here is making sure that you know once this
13:07decide once the board decides to deploy it
13:10town-wide it's smooth and easy everybody knows what you know and obviously as
13:15we've talked about people don't like change people don't feel
13:19they want to pay to park we have it we're building a parking garage that
13:24parking garage will have operation and maintenance costs we want to make sure
13:26that the taxpayers are not coming out of pocket to cover those costs at that that
13:30that structure is maintained by the existing parking system and that it you
13:36know continues to be operated and maintained at no cost of the taxpayers
13:40by the users and so you know it's important for us to test this it is it
13:45is just about as real as real could be and
13:49we'll be able to hear what the businesses think you know are they
13:53getting more customers are people complaining less about parking are there
13:57more spaces available because of this and you know how does the validation
14:01work what's the best method to use is this the right system for us is this is
14:05this vendor the right system price all of that will be real information and no
14:10guessing so that's the idea of this you know again it's not coming soon it is
14:15coming at some point for sure the parking garage is a
14:19little bit out right now even though we have three quarters of the funding
14:22available and you know based on our analysis it looks very clear that the
14:28funds from the district parking will you know pay for that garage and all the
14:35other parking in town and so it you know it's time to do it and it's do we
14:40have a little bit like more specific time frame is it like two years out
14:44everything construction like what's what we assume the reality of that project
14:49is we have the grant award we have two grant awards we have over over seventeen
14:54million for the garage which we anticipate will cost twenty three
14:57million so we're a little bit short but that is not an insurmountable number and
15:03and is very probably easily covered by the revenue that's generated from the
15:09parking so the contracts were waiting for the contract we're working with the
15:15federal government on the contract for that grant
15:18we are
15:18We are told that the average time frame within which to enter into a contract is over a year.
15:26So we've been working, we've been turning it over quickly.
15:28We're working with accounting and our department to do that.
15:33We've made several rounds of resubmissions.
15:36We're going to push it as hard as we can.
15:38If we can get, we cannot spend any money per this grant until that contract is signed,
15:43including the match money.
15:45So originally I had hoped to take the two million from the county, do all the get up
15:50to bid specs, and then when we got the money from the feds, but we can't do that.
15:54Otherwise we can't count it toward the match.
15:57So once we get that contract, then we will be doing an RFP for design of that garage.
16:02So I anticipate it will be hopefully next summer because I'm pushing that we go shorter
16:09than a year.
16:10They said sometimes three months, but average is a year.
16:12It's a complicated thing.
16:13We've happily been...
16:15We've become good at doing these complicated things through DRI.
16:19Our staff in our office is second to none.
16:21They really know exactly how to do this.
16:23So we are really grinding through it and literally turning it right over.
16:28As soon as that contract is signed, we're going to work to get the RFP issued.
16:33Once that RFP issues, it'll give us design, preliminary design.
16:36Then we have to go to final design.
16:37Then we have to go to construction drawings and bid docs.
16:39That'll probably take six to eight months.
16:42Once we have bid specs, we go to bid.
16:44Then we start building.
16:46So I would say we probably shovel on the ground two years from now.
16:50Take a year to build?
16:51What do you think?
16:52It's their prefab.
16:53I'm told they go up very quickly.
16:56They're precast sections.
16:59So it's not going to be a giant...
17:01But we've already done ground penetrating radar.
17:04We've already done soil borings so we know what the foundation needs to look like.
17:10So we've done everything we can do.
17:11So it's just for the public.
17:12But this is sort of gearing up.
17:13I know it's...
17:14We're gearing up to that.
17:15So we need to make sure that we're ready when that happens.
17:18So just generalize.
17:19This test now is probably for a project that would be completed in about two and a half
17:24years maybe from now?
17:26Well, I think up to the board and we'll...
17:29I think let's see what Kevin's report says.
17:31But the...
17:32Yeah, for sure.
17:33We would like to implement the parking program before that happens because we want to make
17:38sure that it A, works smoothly and B, that the revenue is being generated.
17:43And the parking is being utilized in the best possible way that it can.
17:48So we're getting that turnover.
17:49We did talk about the grace period on Main Street, like a 15 minute grace period all
17:53along Main Street.
17:54So if you want to get a cup of coffee or drop someone off or at ballet or pick them up...
17:58And or this lot as well.
17:59And or this lot, right.
18:00So if you want to pick up your pizza and you're not going to pay, those are the things that
18:05we're...
18:06But these are the things we need to figure out now so that we don't want to be ready
18:09to pull the trigger the day we build the garage.
18:10We want to be ready to go.
18:11And we're going to be ready to go.
18:12Right.
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18:14I think it's important to reiterate.
18:16Sorry, go ahead.
18:17And then I'll help you.
18:18Go ahead.
18:20So the study is done for 30 days, but then there's a pause.
18:24It stops.
18:26And then realistically, we're talking about a garage that could be two and a half years away from now.
18:30So we're not doing the study.
18:32I know we're saying 30 days, but it's not going to continue.
18:35Yeah, it's not soon.
18:35So this is just to give a little glimpse of the future or 30-day span for a project that really won't be implemented until the parking garage is done, right?
18:46Probably a little before that.
18:47Two and a half years away from now, before the parking garage is done.
18:49However, it's not going to be a surprise.
18:51So everything that happens will be something that we've looked at, studied, known, spoken to someone about, coordinated on.
19:00And we're trying to make sure that we are not government.
19:05Surprises are never good.
19:07So we don't want to surprise anybody with anything.
19:10And then the last thing is where does the money go to?
19:12So is it being the money that's collected over 30 days?
19:14Is it being applied to the parking garage future bill?
19:17Does it go in general funds?
19:18Or where is the money coming?
19:20That would not be for me to answer.
19:22So, you know, we haven't discussed that yet.
19:25I don't think it's going to be a substantial sum of money.
19:27So I think it will be.
19:28So we'll have to figure that out.
19:30It's really just to test the flow of the money into the account because it goes automatically.
19:35Into the town's account.
19:37Whether it becomes a parking district garage.
19:40Whether it becomes a town-owned garage.
19:42Whether we create some other kind of entity to manage parking in downtown.
19:45You know, those are TBDs.
19:48But a lot of those decisions can be made based upon the things that are happening now.
19:56Jeanette, I think you might want to pipe in on that.
19:58Yeah, I can actually speak to where the funds will go.
20:00So if this lot behind Diggers is part of the parking district, the funds have to go.
20:05Back to the parking district.
20:06Okay, good.
20:07So that's where they'll go.
20:08Perfect.
20:09I wanted to further answer what you had said.
20:13The public, which is extremely important for me to be public-facing.
20:17We will have, and it's actually in draft mode, a dedicated website to the pilot with a 24-7 text-to-help number.
20:26So businesses, public, yourselves, everybody will always be apprised exactly what's happening.
20:32And then also to address what you were saying.
20:33I'm very much...
20:35Knowing that real-time changes...
20:38And we shouldn't be afraid of those.
20:39Those real-time changes, based on feedback, is really important.
20:42Look what we learned already in two weeks.
20:44We said, well, it wouldn't be fair to do one day, so to speak, because it's just particularly possibly targeting,
20:49or at least perceived to be targeting an event only.
20:52And we didn't want that.
20:53So we pulled back from a one day, and we said, let's do the 30-day.
20:57And it wouldn't be fair also if...
20:59Because what I was told was vendors parking that lot.
21:02I was actually surprised to hear that.
21:05I would not have...
21:05I have vendors parking a lot that is amazingly valuable to people coming to frequent the businesses that are on Main Street.
21:12So we learned that, and we can also now track that going forward.
21:15That should not be happening.
21:17Those vendors should drop off, in my humble opinion, should drop off and then go to a designated section to where vendors should park.
21:24Instead, because you don't have managed parking, they just park where it's closest.
21:28Nobody's blaming them.
21:29I would do the same thing until such time that it's managed differently.
21:32You know what?
21:33Just to address that, Kevin.
21:35The reason why that has been done in the past is because they have to drop off by a certain time, right?
21:44Park.
21:45And when they leave, they have to leave by a certain time.
21:48So we wanted their vehicles, their vans, close.
21:51A lot of vans come so that they could load up.
21:55You know, if we ask them to park, let's say, at the TOD, it can really mess with timing when you have, you know,
22:02over 100 booths.
22:04Right.
22:05You know.
22:05I completely understand that.
22:06But there's a lot at the 2nd Street that's huge and much more empty for that purpose.
22:11And it's just a matter of developing policy to what makes sense.
22:16That's what we're trying to do.
22:16No, I get that.
22:18Go ahead.
22:18I'll go.
22:18And I think if I roll it back to, like, 2020 when we first did the parking study, the first study that I was involved in,
22:27the businesses were clamoring because they were angry that the people would park all day in spots close to businesses.
22:35They'd sit on Main Street in those spots all day.
22:37If we don't manage the parking, it makes it harder for the businesses to do business because people drive around, drive around,
22:43they'll figure out, I'm going to go someplace else.
22:45But if you go behind diggers and you don't have to make three loops, you park right away.
22:49You're like, oh, what a relief.
22:50And you walk in there because everybody knows that's the condition it is.
22:53And currently, when those businesses, the businesses at 20 West Main and 30 West Main, those offices, they could park literally 500 feet away for free all day
23:03and not disrupt anything in that park.
23:05You know, those are the things that we're trying to get fixed.
23:09It's important to reiterate that we are not trying to hurt the business owners.
23:13We want the business owners to thrive downtown because when they thrive, Riverhead thrives.
23:19And this is something that we've been talking to them about literally for five years now.
23:25They know it's coming.
23:28They haven't been opposed to it.
23:30And the closer, but we just keep getting closer and closer to being able to actually implement.
23:34It with their input.
23:36I mean, it hasn't been anything done in a vacuum.
23:38Kevin's been boots on the ground talking to business owners directly.
23:43We've been emailing.
23:44We've had multiple meetings.
23:45We've had a lot of discussion.
23:47It's not as if people don't know this is happening and they are unhappy about it.
23:51Your premier business here, Suffolk Theater, I consider one of your premier businesses, very much in favor of managed parking.
23:58So when we do this study, are we focusing on just one particular lot or are we going to try to change signs?
24:04Are we going to change the way we park?
24:04Are we going to try to make them free for 30 minutes or less to get a better handle of what the future lies of what it's going to be like?
24:11So are we putting signage other places so that they know?
24:15Parking on Main Street, there's three areas that are 15 minutes free.
24:20With current signage?
24:21Current signage.
24:22So we're not planning on changing any of that.
24:25We're just testing this one lot to see how we go.
24:29And it's a dollar an hour.
24:32It's not a fine.
24:34I think you had cover.
24:35If I may say this, and, you know, we had the pictures taken by the newspaper here.
24:41It was only a sample sign.
24:42That's the first thing everybody needs to understand.
24:44It was only a sample to show artwork, to show the branding of the Riverhead Town.
24:48But in that, it said $5 all day.
24:50So, of course, you know, social media lit up.
24:53That was just a sample.
24:55In retrospect, we probably wouldn't do that if we're trying to encourage turnover.
24:59An event day might be different.
25:01And so we will be taking that away.
25:03So, Kevin.
25:03I like that you're doing a grace period because I think, like, if I go to Diggers and I can't park in front to pick up a to-go water, right,
25:13and I can drive around back, and you say maybe they'd be, because there's another behind Diggers to the west.
25:21There's a takeout place there.
25:23Yes.
25:24I always see people in and out of there.
25:25Yes.
25:26So how are you going to handle that?
25:30Yeah, we would absolutely instill a grace period.
25:33How do you enforce the grace period?
25:36The clock starts 15 minutes or whatever this board has a resolution decides on.
25:40Right.
25:41And then that is carried on to the people that enforce it.
25:44Okay.
25:45We do not have the equipment in place to do that.
25:46Understood.
25:47No, you don't do it.
25:48I'm just curious.
25:49Okay.
25:49So for those small shops right in there, do we not want to just consider to put 10 spots or something behind Diggers in that area that is 20 minutes or less or 30 minutes or less or something where we won't get the all-dayers?
26:03Yeah.
26:04So we're going to have to have a lot of customers that are normally in the lot across the street to go over there.
26:07Yeah, that's happening.
26:07And now Diggers is faced with a full lot all day long, and then their customers are still going across the street to pay.
26:13So how do we?
26:13Yeah.
26:14That's what I'm concerned about.
26:15Instead of just doing one lot, can we spread it out a little bit to give a better idea of what the future lies?
26:22Well, we feel we need an encapsulated lot with a single egress and ingress, which is part of the reason.
26:29But what you're starting to speak about is curb management, and I forwarded it on a video.
26:33It's kind of a first-of-its-kind curb management that's being done in Fort Lee, and it's kind of amazing what we can do.
26:39We can manage every aspect of that for deliveries, pickups, Ubers, and then at night those can become different spots.
26:45They can become drop-offs for the hotels.
26:47All that's coming.
26:49This is just one little baby sort of piece of the puzzle to get this board and the public and the businesses comfortable with what I think you'll be surprised at the positive feedback you'll get from this once it's done.
27:01What's the timeframe?
27:03When do you plan on implementing it?
27:05Like, is there a time of year?
27:07Well, so...
27:09The pilot?
27:11Yeah.
27:13Ten days after the resolution.
27:15Yeah, Kevin says he needs ten days to set it up.
27:17If the board adopts a resolution on the 16th, he could have it ready to go ten days after that.
27:19I'd like to go back to the timeframe.
27:21I mean, you know, is 30 days...I don't know, and look, you know this better than I do, but what's wrong with one week?
27:31If you go from Monday to Monday, you're going through a lot of work.
27:33Is that a weekend?
27:35I don't particularly have any professional, personal problem with a two-week trial.
27:39Okay.
27:41So one week is not enough?
27:45We were hoping to capture a holiday weekend in there, so...
27:47I mean, you know, I'm just trying to...
27:51Sure.
27:53We have to encapsulate a weekend, for sure.
27:55We have to encapsulate all times of the day.
27:57We have to encapsulate rain, right?
27:59Very important.
28:01I stood in front of this sign, and I couldn't do this, and I was rained upon.
28:03I want to hear that.
28:05Maybe we need to put covers on top of the signs, or whatever it is.
28:09Let's hear it all.
28:11But let's get through some bad weather, good weather, sunny weather, I can't see the screen, whatever it may be.
28:17This will be very, very good ballot information, and I believe it hurts no one at all.
28:23So a week is not enough, but two weeks is enough?
28:25Deferring to yourself, I'm okay with two weeks.
28:29Two weeks is fine with me.
28:31If you're comfortable with two weeks, I'm fine with two weeks.
28:33I want an accurate figure.
28:35We're talking about one parking lot.
28:39Right.
28:41But I mean, if you're going to get a sampling, you know, two weeks is enough.
28:43But to Kevin's point, he's saying he wants to make sure that he can get feedback if it rains.
28:49I saw the weather, the extended forecast this morning.
28:53No rain in sight.
28:55Right, but if two weeks, I'm fine with two weeks.
28:59And that's just me.
29:01The other question I have is, oh, do you need to have an app so when you scan that, how does that work?
29:11Do people have to download an app in order to?
29:15Okay, I want the public to know, you know, I understand that.
29:17That'll be on the webpage, and I will do a full explanation of this before it happens, hence why I need the 10 days.
29:25You do not need an app.
29:27It's mobile compliant.
29:29An iPhone 7 or above will be able to scan.
29:31So what happens if you don't have?
29:33You text the park.
29:35And I'm sure all platforms.
29:37So I like where you're going.
29:39You're going to say, what happens if nobody has a phone and does not have the ability to do this?
29:41How are they going to pay?
29:43They're not going to be able to pay.
29:45They're going to either have a friend do it, or as a collective unit here, we're going to say, hmm, the population here doesn't have phones, which I don't believe, but I'm just putting it out there.
29:55We might need to do meters in there, too.
29:57It's not really a problem.
29:59It's not really the way the industry's going.
30:01But I just want to say, if there was a possibility that 20% of people had no idea how to scan the park, not the truth, but if it happened, then we'd have to come up with different ways.
30:11Okay.
30:13So then you're the liaison to the Park Congress?
30:15Yes.
30:17What did they think of this whole project?
30:19Well, initially everybody was in agreement with this.
30:21There were concerns that they did not know exactly how long this was going to last.
30:27And I believe that they're in favor of this.
30:29I do.
30:31I think you have to start somewhere, as everyone agrees.
30:33They do want to have the managed parking.
30:35And you can't just build a garage and then figure out afterwards what you're going to do with it.
30:39So we start small with tests like this.
30:41It may involve other tests, like Kevin said.
30:43We may have tests with regard to the 15 minutes on Main Street.
30:47These are just little small baby steps.
30:49Small baby steps.
30:51For something, thank you for pointing it out, that's going to be two years down the road.
30:53But you have to start.
30:55So that's all this is.
30:57So the committee was in agreement with this test.
30:59He did have concerns, rightly so, of where funds eventually go.
31:03Again, those are different conversations.
31:05I think it's great because I think a lot of businesses suffer, especially behind Diggers,
31:11when the people working in some of those buildings are there all day.
31:15I try to go to Diggers and I can't get a parking spot.
31:19That's the busiest.
31:21That's repeatedly identified as the busiest lot in town.
31:23I'll give you a statistic.
31:25In Huntington, for example.
31:2730% of the businesses that go in there fail.
31:31And they keep revolving.
31:33Because people don't like driving around the block.
31:35Driving around the block.
31:37It's like, you know what, I'll go to another piece of place.
31:39Somewhere else.
31:41And that's what happens.
31:43So I'm definitely in favor of this trial.
31:45I mean, I'm just looking at two weeks.
31:47If you feel it's enough, then...
31:49If you wanted to word it in a resolution of two weeks and then a two week extension.
31:53I don't know if that's possible.
31:55We could do that.
31:57Or you could do that.
31:59Are you opposed to the month, Bob?
32:01To the 30 days?
32:03Or is that too long for you?
32:05If the sum of the same two weeks is enough, I'm fine with two weeks.
32:09I'm fine with 30.
32:11I'm fine with 30.
32:13Just to give you a real sample size.
32:15I think we need some real data.
32:17Just more moving towards the parking garage.
32:19Don't vote me out.
32:2130 in the summer may have felt differently.
32:23But this is now going in.
32:25We'll be into November at this point.
32:27You know, there is another issue that really hasn't been discussed.
32:29And that's overcrowded houses.
32:31Some of their parking is in these lots.
32:33And they're leaving their cars there.
32:35And this is a way to combat that problem as well.
32:37Absolutely.
32:39The first thing we'll do at 6 o'clock in the morning is we'll see how many cars.
32:41We'll call it ground zero.
32:43There should be zero cars in there.
32:45But I can bet you there won't be zero cars.
32:47Absolutely.
32:49And we'll see how many cars we'll call ground zero.
32:51There should be zero cars in there.
32:53But I can bet you there won't be zero cars.
32:55And that's a really good point.
32:57Well, the public has been in an outcry of why aren't you doing anything.
32:59Well, we're trying to do something.
33:01And this is a tool that we can use to do away with that.
33:03And free up parking.
33:05It's a good point because behind Maximus there's definitely people that are not populating any of the businesses.
33:07They're just parking home.
33:09Well, keep in mind there's apartments above Maximus.
33:11Yeah, but not very many.
33:1320, not a lot.
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33:55businesses downtown by getting more turnover and getting more customers is
33:59the better for everybody in town it's just economic development all around it
34:03it helps the businesses it helps the residents it just it gets where we want
34:08to be and you know it's important to get started on it all right 30 days or two
34:13weeks where we have 30 days I'm 30 I'm two weeks I'm outvoted again it's okay
34:24all right let's not beat a dead horse into a parking stall here 30 days it is
34:31we'll do the resolution up and have it ready to go and you can get started
34:35great okay thank you thank you Kevin thanks Kevin
34:40all right don't go anywhere next up we have matters surrounding implementation
34:47of limited English proficiency policy known as LED and that'll be with one
34:53class okay
34:54! we circulated to the board a policy for limited English proficiency that
35:02would thank you allow the board to work to implement certain measures over time
35:12and with you know as need arises to address people with limited English
35:18proficiency so for instance translation of forms or
35:23translation of any other information room that's required I know we're
35:29working under new website that we would hope that that would address limited
35:35English proficiency I know Jo in our office middle of research the river head
35:39Free Library has a wonderful translation program it translates anything on their
35:43website to many many different languages we'd like to do that too we have a
35:48quite a few different languages spoken in town and so this is something that we
35:54we probably ought to have already done it's going to be required to is for our
36:01grants we were getting federal grant money and so in order to get those
36:04federal dollars we do need to have a limited English proficiency policy so
36:09here it is and this is what we're working on we've circulated a law
36:14department the draft that you have is a collaborative effort drafted initially
36:18by Joe Mayerana in our office and reviewed by our law department
36:26you see this on the state website county has this and it's how do we do this
36:34prior to doing it on the internet you know what's wrong website it's going to
36:40be as needed the way we've set it up now so
36:43you can go to our website and you can go to our website and you can go to our
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37:14copy it, put it into Google Translate, and there's all the languages there translated
37:19from there.
37:20That's the kind of stuff that we have to work on.
37:21We have to collect a little data as well, so we're going to have to ultimately report
37:26at some point how many people come in and request those services, and so this is moving
37:32in that direction.
37:33Great.
37:34We're also thinking about implementing the language line system that the police department
37:40and justice court currently use and making it town-wide in all of our offices, whether
37:46it's sewer, water, or any office in this building.
37:50They would all have access to the language line, which will help if a customer comes
37:55It will work out.
37:56It's fairly inexpensive to do.
37:58That's great.
37:59Yeah, I mean, thankfully, between AI and Translate services and the things that are being done
38:07with different websites, there's a lot of opportunity for that.
38:10I think that's a great thing for us to provide more convenient services to our residents.
38:14I'm surprised that this wasn't implemented sooner, to be honest.
38:18And saves the expense of hiring people to do all of this, too.
38:21And waiting for them to go from one place to another.
38:24And getting as good of a translation as we can possibly provide.
38:28And in the Spanish language, there's so many dialects, it would be impossible to have a
38:32translator for every particular dialect.
38:35Yes.
38:36And we have Polish speakers and Ukrainian speakers.
38:38Joe put in a...
38:40I don't know if you can hear the stats.
38:44We have quite a few different languages.
38:47We have 4,000 Spanish, 1,700 other Indo-European languages, 124 Asian and Pacific Island, and
38:57230 speak other languages.
38:59And so, it's time.
39:01Absolutely.
39:02Good.
39:03That's great.
39:04And that is all on that topic.
39:07All right.
39:08Okay, well, thank you very much.
39:09Thank you very much.
39:10Devin, we're going to move on to resolutions.
39:13Good morning.
39:14Everybody's ready to go?
39:17Yep.
39:18Resolution number one, Water District Capital Project 82308, Budget Adjustment.
39:21Okay.
39:22Thank you.
39:23[transcription gap]
39:532023-294.
39:59Can we just get a quick
40:00discussion on that?
40:03Sure. We'll ask
40:04Jeanette to come forward and just clarify,
40:07but this is back from
40:082023. It's really
40:11just a cleanup item, as I understand it.
40:13Okay.
40:19So that relates to the
40:21ARPA funding, the American Rescue Plan.
40:23So we proposed a resolution
40:25or adopted a resolution back
40:27in, I don't remember how early
40:29we did it, but for $70,000
40:31to help with the purchase
40:33of the citizen software
40:35for OpenGov for permitting
40:37for code enforcement. And at
40:39that time, we were kind of
40:41just getting into the project, but we were going to
40:43use the ARPA funds for it. We decided
40:45not to use the American Rescue Plans
40:47for it, but we never rescinded the original
40:49adoption of the
40:51reso. So we have to
40:53rescind that because we've since reallocated
40:55the money to other ARPA spending.
40:57And we have until December 31st
40:59to obligate all of the American Rescue Plan
41:01funds, which I'm happy to say at this point
41:03that they are all obligated. So
41:06we are all good and we will have
41:07full use of those funds. Good.
41:09Very good. Thank you, Jeanette.
41:16Okay. Resolution number four.
41:19Authorization for one police department employee
41:21to attend training, leadership training.
41:23Resolution number five.
41:25Accepts resignation of and appoints member
41:27to the town of Riverhead Industrial Development Agency.
41:29Barbara Rizzi.
41:31Resolution number six.
41:33Authorizes the removal of all litter, garbage, refuse,
41:35rubbish upon the premises known as it should be
41:3712 Longview Drive in Riverhead.
41:39So we'll make that correction in the system for Tuesday.
41:41Wednesday.
41:43You said Longview?
41:45Correct.
41:47So we'll make that correction in the system for Tuesday.
41:49Wednesday.
41:51You said Longview? Correct.
41:53It's up in Reeves Park.
41:55Resolution number seven.
41:57Acceptance of youth mentoring sports grant.
41:59And we should add the word award.
42:01So it's really a grant award there.
42:03Resolution number eight.
42:05Authorizes town clerk to publish and post
42:07notice to consider a local law to
42:09Ment Chapter 263 entitled of the Riverhead Town Code
42:11penalties for offenses.
42:13And this is the first one.
42:15And this is the second one.
42:17And this is the third one.
42:19And this is the fourth one.
42:21And this is the fifth one.
42:23And this is the sixth one.
42:25And this is the sixth one.
42:27And this is the seventh one.
42:29And this is the sixth one.
42:31And this is the seventh one.
42:33And this is the sixth one.
42:35And this is the sixth one.
42:37And this is the seventh one.
42:39And this is the sixth one.
42:41[transcription gap]
42:51a correction. We just have to make in the actual notice. This public hearing is going to
42:55take place on November 7th at 2 p.m. and we just had a little
42:59typographical error. We wrote 6 o'clock. We meant to write 2 o'clock in the notice.
43:03So we'll make that change.
43:10Okay.
43:11We're all set on that. Resolution number 10 authorizes town clerk to publish in post
43:15notice to consider a law to amend chapter 217 of the Riverhead Town Code
43:19entitled penalties for offenses. Another
43:23typographical error in this resolution
43:26the notice suggests that the public hearing for this code change is going
43:31to take place on October 16th and it's in fact going to take place on
43:35November 19th at 6.15 p.m. So of course we'll make that change
43:39as well. Resolution
43:43number 11 schedules public hearing on local law to amend chapter
43:47293 of the Town Code regarding
43:49dock regulations. This public hearing will take place
43:53on November 7th at 2 p.m.
43:57Resolution number 12 schedules public hearing for residential parking code amendment.
44:02This is for chapter 301. Public hearing is going to
44:05take place November 7th at 2 p.m.
44:10Resolution number 13 authorizes supervisor to execute
44:13a license agreement with Racetrack Knott Street LLC to utilize runway
44:17at EpCal.
44:19This is a public hearing on the
44:49number 15 approves fireworks application for Baiting Hollow Club October 29, 2024.
44:54Resolution number 16 extends bid for fertilizer and lawn
44:59chemicals. This resolution may be pulled because I'm not sure we have the
45:03information just yet. We'll confirm today.
45:05Okay.
45:06Pays the bills. We know what that's all about.
45:08Resolution number 18 authorizes the supervisor to execute an agreement with
45:14Hendrickson Fire Rescue Equipment and this allows us to again
45:19get in the queue to order a chassis and also to begin to retrofit the box.
45:26As I understand it, the ambulance is not so easy to get these.
45:29Councilman Rothwell can probably explain that better than I.
45:31The ambulance is now a year and a half to two and a half years out.
45:34So you have to get in line. So the funds that will eventually pay for this vehicle
45:41are not going to be until the 2025 year or potentially the 2026 year.
45:47But we have one ambulance that is going to be used for the
45:49next year.
45:50So the ambulance is now going to be sent out.
45:51Hendrickson is going to provide a loaner ambulance for the duration while they take
45:57the box off the ambulance, put it on a new chassis, outfit it, comes back like a brand
46:02new vehicle. Once that's done, we want them at that same time then to pick up another
46:07ambulance and take it out. So the reality is the second ambulance potentially could
46:12be three years away. But if we don't get in line and we wait until next year's budget
46:17or the following year, then we're still going to have that deal.
46:18Okay.
46:19And that's it.
46:20That's amazing.
46:21Okay. Thank you, Devin.
46:22In a moment, we're going to close open session and go into executive session to discuss under
46:32personnel matters surrounding change in status of an employee with Chief Frost.
46:39And we have a contractual matter, matters surrounding possible sale of real property
46:44with Thomas, Prudente, and Hurley. So could I have a motion to close open session
46:48and go into executive session?
46:49So moved.
46:50Seconded.
46:51All in favor?
46:52Aye.
46:53All opposed?
46:54Okay. Open session is closed. We will retire to executive session.
47:01Let's go, men!
47:19Thank you.

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Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you, Denise.

Okay, we have a couple items or announcements to make. This Sunday, October 13th, is the Riverhead Country Fair and the weather looks great and it's from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. so if you're looking for something to do it's always a great time down there. Again Sunday October 13th Rivet Country Fair from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday October 14th Town Hall is closed for Columbus Day and tomorrow Friday October 11th is Garfield Langhorne Day and we have something special happening. I will let Councilman Rothwell explain it for us. Thank you very much Supervisor. Tomorrow is the second Friday in the month of October and we had the distinct pleasure two years ago to present the resolution proclaiming this day as Private First Class Garfield Langhorne's Day. Through the great work of the Veterans Advisory Committee we've been given the incredible honor to have on loan to us Private First Class Garfield M. Langhorne's Congressional Medal of Honor. We are truly grateful to Garfield's family to share his Medal of Honor with us. It will be on display tomorrow through Veterans Day here in the lobby of Town Hall. We invite all Town Hall employees and our entire community to join us tomorrow morning at 8 30 a.m. here in the lobby in the presence of Garfield's family to unveil his Congressional Medal of Honor for all to see. We will share his heroic story as well to keep his memory alive. There's a biblical quote that says there is no greater sacrifice than to lay down one's life for others and that so profoundly says the story of Garfield Langhorne. I'm grateful to all of our veterans and may all that serve our country and we look forward to this incredible honor tomorrow morning so please join us. Thank you Ken. I will tell you I saw you guys putting it together yesterday and the public is going to be very happy and surprised when they see what it is. A fantastic job and I encourage everybody to come out for that. I appreciate it very much. Thank you. It's quite emotional just to be able to hold his Medal for a few moments in your hand. Yes. And to place it in the case so it's unbelievable. It will be very moving tomorrow morning. Very good. Alright we're going to move on to open session. We have we'll start out with Mattis around in a follow-up discussion regarding a pilot for paid parking with Kevin Wood, Dawn Thomas and Eric Howard. Good morning. Good morning. Just to set the tone here a little bit we talked about this at our last work session. About implementing a paid for parking trial run on the day of the country fair and then afterwards we started talking and we felt maybe it was better to run to give us a more accurate model to go by. We decided to go with 30 days so we're back to talk about that today. But a little confusion in the community and everything but I will turn that over to you guys now and explain it. Thank you. I'll do a little quick intro. So. You know as we've been discussing Kevin is working on a pilot program to test a parking system including the technology and equipment and also to make sure that the stakeholders in the community are deeply involved in what we decide to do. There was some confusion as you had indicated over the idea that paid parking was coming soon. It is not coming soon. It is coming at some point but in order to make it go smoothly when it does arrive and when the time is right for the board to implement paid parking. Okay. Thank you. So we will have all of the data that we need to collect to make sure that it runs smoothly that the stakeholders and the businesses downtown understand what's happening know how the system works that the public is well aware of how the system can work. And as we also indicated at the last meeting. You know paid parking becomes necessary to manage existing parking so in our prior parking studies. It's been clear that currently we have adequate parking but it's not well managed and it's not. Prioritized to the consumers and the public. So for instance. You know the typical standard of. Parking which Kevin can tell you more about. He's an expert in this is. You know you want the turnover closest to the places of business. So. You know. So those are the things that we're working on. But. Because of some of the stakeholder engagement. The country fair was a little concerned about doing the test on that day. So. You know. So. [transcription gap] As I had said last time, the three things that I need to complete my full report is the, you know, the eventual structure of what a parking and enforcement departments look like, some very, very deep, detailed feedback from businesses and the public. And those surveys have happened before the announcement of this pilot and a survey after the pilot, I think, are consummate and very, very needed for you to see and the public to see fully. So that's the reason for this pilot. So, Kevin, I think it's important. I know you've reached out to all the businesses, which is great. I think it's important for the public to know that, number one. Number two, also that any of the patrons who go in there are not going to be paid, right? Has anybody, so in other words, they're going to be given a code? This is a true paid test. Right. So if I go into a restaurant, I'm paying even the restaurant? You'll scan the code in the parking lot when you park and you will pay and then go into your restaurant. Just during this 30-day period. After that, it can be set up differently so there can be exceptions or exceptions for certain days or certain people or it can be set up with the restaurants where you can go in and the restaurant will pay for the parking. Right. [transcription gap] but that's that's way ahead of us yet that's not what we're out I understand that I'm talking about these initial 30 days because I was under the impression that if I went to a restaurant ate in that restaurant I spent two hours in there right that not and I was going to be given a code because I was occupying that restaurant right the other the other thing is where it's being done there's a lot of offices right right there on I think it's 30 West Main 20 and 31 20 and 30 West Main well they be given a code so they don't have to pay to park because that's where they park right so so let me say this I would think that no matter what parking lot we chose that was convenient to Main Street all those concerns would still take place so I don't want to give anybody the idea that this particular part parking lot was chosen for any of the reason that it's manageable right and it's it's a size and it's a size that's not going to be a problem for us and it's a size that's and it's busy enough where we can truly get the numbers we need what you're speaking about is validation and if I may give this to you we will have validation in place but it's optional as to whether a restaurant wants to validate that'll be part of what what I'm doing in terms of educating a restaurant maybe a restaurant doesn't want to validate so if a restaurant validates just clarify that is that mean the restaurant is paying for the parking or is that that's correct okay so they have to choose to pick up that code exactly exactly so they would choose that we're a little bit ahead of ourselves because some of these ways that we validate this for great ways to validate would involve enforcement and systems that we do not let yet have in place so at this point a validation can be something as simple as for thanks for coming in I understand you're paid in the back can I take that parking off your bill it could be that simple and I will start an education process in that regard but again if somebody because what your real estate is is that you're paying for parking and you're not going to get paid for parking. really talking about is somebody going on to Main Street and not I think what you're intimating they're not wanting to pay and when I what I had said last time is only a few feet away at the parking lot we're not testing they could park for free no no I understand that I'm specifically talking about the parking lot behind diggers yep all right specifically and this is you know I and so for 30 days I mean because I just look at the businesses struggling now but aside from that they do you know for a fact they're struggling because part of what I talked to them about is how they are doing and I've heard I haven't heard that okay also Bob keep in mind that particular parking lot and you mentioned 30 West Main and 20 West Main if the employees are parking there all day it's hurting the businesses so the idea of paid parking is you come in you turn over the parking you come in you go do what you got to do and you leave and you leave but with this the people at 20 and 30 West Main can park right across the street near the parking lot for free all day long and it's freeing up spaces for customers to come and use the businesses that my second question I get that so my second question is this there's a tax that there's a parking district tax right does this conflict with the fact of the parking district tax at all that tax relates to like maintenance of parking lots okay I'm just asking the question I was asked to answer the question so Bob take one of these validation methods will be in place so that the restaurant at their choice could essentially pay for the test of parking that will be in place so just imagine this is to try to determine usage going in and out down there do we necessarily have to charge a fee or can it be simply participate in scan a code just to see the utilization of it or where people are going and how long they're there for thank you for asking that question we remember around the table on that a few times I think you'll agree any system would not be fully tested unless we had good and bad by the way I've scanned this thing and I couldn't pay or this was the easiest thing I've ever done or somewhere in between we feel we need these actual transactions coming into the town of Riverheads bank account to truly say this has been the test that we want to test I think we think it's really important that we do that and I think that's a really good question. important why the length of 30 days is that it's like can we do a week or two weeks so like tell me a little bit about like how we chose 30 days. there was in the time frame that we chose some holidays but some normal business days and some weekdays and so the longer time frame we hoped to capture you know during the one day test a busy day so we're gonna have a variety of days now that we're gonna have data on that we wouldn't otherwise have and an opportunity to for the businesses to see how it works for for us to understand if people have a lot of questions or concerns or if there any issues you know the best way to do this as Kevin said we have plenty of studies and these are but the boots on the ground study that we're gonna do here is making sure that you know once this decide once the board decides to deploy it town-wide it's smooth and easy everybody knows what you know and obviously as we've talked about people don't like change people don't feel they want to pay to park we have it we're building a parking garage that parking garage will have operation and maintenance costs we want to make sure that the taxpayers are not coming out of pocket to cover those costs at that that that structure is maintained by the existing parking system and that it you know continues to be operated and maintained at no cost of the taxpayers by the users and so you know it's important for us to test this it is it is just about as real as real could be and and we'll be able to hear what the businesses think you know are they getting more customers are people complaining less about parking are there more spaces available because of this and you know how does the validation work what's the best method to use is this the right system for us is this is this vendor the right system price all of that will be real information and no guessing so that's the idea of this you know again it's not coming soon it is coming at some point for sure the parking garage is a little bit out right now even though we have three quarters of the funding available and you know based on our analysis it looks very clear that the funds from the district parking will you know pay for that garage and all the other parking in town and so it you know it's time to do it and it's do we have a little bit like more specific time frame is it like two years out everything construction like what's what we assume the reality of that project is we have the grant award we have two grant awards we have over over seventeen million for the garage which we anticipate will cost twenty three million so we're a little bit short but that is not an insurmountable number and and is very probably easily covered by the revenue that's generated from the parking so the contracts were waiting for the contract we're working with the federal government on the contract for that grant we are We are told that the average time frame within which to enter into a contract is over a year. So we've been working, we've been turning it over quickly. We're working with accounting and our department to do that. We've made several rounds of resubmissions. We're going to push it as hard as we can. If we can get, we cannot spend any money per this grant until that contract is signed, including the match money. So originally I had hoped to take the two million from the county, do all the get up to bid specs, and then when we got the money from the feds, but we can't do that. Otherwise we can't count it toward the match. So once we get that contract, then we will be doing an RFP for design of that garage. So I anticipate it will be hopefully next summer because I'm pushing that we go shorter than a year. They said sometimes three months, but average is a year. It's a complicated thing. We've happily been... We've become good at doing these complicated things through DRI. Our staff in our office is second to none. They really know exactly how to do this. So we are really grinding through it and literally turning it right over. As soon as that contract is signed, we're going to work to get the RFP issued. Once that RFP issues, it'll give us design, preliminary design. Then we have to go to final design. Then we have to go to construction drawings and bid docs. That'll probably take six to eight months. Once we have bid specs, we go to bid. Then we start building. So I would say we probably shovel on the ground two years from now. Take a year to build? What do you think? It's their prefab. I'm told they go up very quickly. They're precast sections. So it's not going to be a giant... But we've already done ground penetrating radar. We've already done soil borings so we know what the foundation needs to look like. So we've done everything we can do. So it's just for the public. But this is sort of gearing up. I know it's... We're gearing up to that. So we need to make sure that we're ready when that happens. So just generalize. This test now is probably for a project that would be completed in about two and a half years maybe from now? Well, I think up to the board and we'll... I think let's see what Kevin's report says. But the... Yeah, for sure. We would like to implement the parking program before that happens because we want to make sure that it A, works smoothly and B, that the revenue is being generated. And the parking is being utilized in the best possible way that it can. So we're getting that turnover. We did talk about the grace period on Main Street, like a 15 minute grace period all along Main Street. So if you want to get a cup of coffee or drop someone off or at ballet or pick them up... And or this lot as well. And or this lot, right. So if you want to pick up your pizza and you're not going to pay, those are the things that we're... But these are the things we need to figure out now so that we don't want to be ready to pull the trigger the day we build the garage. We want to be ready to go. And we're going to be ready to go. Right. [transcription gap] I think it's important to reiterate. Sorry, go ahead. And then I'll help you. Go ahead. So the study is done for 30 days, but then there's a pause. It stops. And then realistically, we're talking about a garage that could be two and a half years away from now. So we're not doing the study. I know we're saying 30 days, but it's not going to continue. Yeah, it's not soon. So this is just to give a little glimpse of the future or 30-day span for a project that really won't be implemented until the parking garage is done, right? Probably a little before that. Two and a half years away from now, before the parking garage is done. However, it's not going to be a surprise. So everything that happens will be something that we've looked at, studied, known, spoken to someone about, coordinated on. And we're trying to make sure that we are not government. Surprises are never good. So we don't want to surprise anybody with anything. And then the last thing is where does the money go to? So is it being the money that's collected over 30 days? Is it being applied to the parking garage future bill? Does it go in general funds? Or where is the money coming? That would not be for me to answer. So, you know, we haven't discussed that yet. I don't think it's going to be a substantial sum of money. So I think it will be. So we'll have to figure that out. It's really just to test the flow of the money into the account because it goes automatically. Into the town's account. Whether it becomes a parking district garage. Whether it becomes a town-owned garage. Whether we create some other kind of entity to manage parking in downtown. You know, those are TBDs. But a lot of those decisions can be made based upon the things that are happening now. Jeanette, I think you might want to pipe in on that. Yeah, I can actually speak to where the funds will go. So if this lot behind Diggers is part of the parking district, the funds have to go. Back to the parking district. Okay, good. So that's where they'll go. Perfect. I wanted to further answer what you had said. The public, which is extremely important for me to be public-facing. We will have, and it's actually in draft mode, a dedicated website to the pilot with a 24-7 text-to-help number. So businesses, public, yourselves, everybody will always be apprised exactly what's happening. And then also to address what you were saying. I'm very much... Knowing that real-time changes... And we shouldn't be afraid of those. Those real-time changes, based on feedback, is really important. Look what we learned already in two weeks. We said, well, it wouldn't be fair to do one day, so to speak, because it's just particularly possibly targeting, or at least perceived to be targeting an event only. And we didn't want that. So we pulled back from a one day, and we said, let's do the 30-day. And it wouldn't be fair also if... Because what I was told was vendors parking that lot. I was actually surprised to hear that. I would not have... I have vendors parking a lot that is amazingly valuable to people coming to frequent the businesses that are on Main Street. So we learned that, and we can also now track that going forward. That should not be happening. Those vendors should drop off, in my humble opinion, should drop off and then go to a designated section to where vendors should park. Instead, because you don't have managed parking, they just park where it's closest. Nobody's blaming them. I would do the same thing until such time that it's managed differently. You know what? Just to address that, Kevin. The reason why that has been done in the past is because they have to drop off by a certain time, right? Park. And when they leave, they have to leave by a certain time. So we wanted their vehicles, their vans, close. A lot of vans come so that they could load up. You know, if we ask them to park, let's say, at the TOD, it can really mess with timing when you have, you know, over 100 booths. Right. You know. I completely understand that. But there's a lot at the 2nd Street that's huge and much more empty for that purpose. And it's just a matter of developing policy to what makes sense. That's what we're trying to do. No, I get that. Go ahead. I'll go. And I think if I roll it back to, like, 2020 when we first did the parking study, the first study that I was involved in, the businesses were clamoring because they were angry that the people would park all day in spots close to businesses. They'd sit on Main Street in those spots all day. If we don't manage the parking, it makes it harder for the businesses to do business because people drive around, drive around, they'll figure out, I'm going to go someplace else. But if you go behind diggers and you don't have to make three loops, you park right away. You're like, oh, what a relief. And you walk in there because everybody knows that's the condition it is. And currently, when those businesses, the businesses at 20 West Main and 30 West Main, those offices, they could park literally 500 feet away for free all day and not disrupt anything in that park. You know, those are the things that we're trying to get fixed. It's important to reiterate that we are not trying to hurt the business owners. We want the business owners to thrive downtown because when they thrive, Riverhead thrives. And this is something that we've been talking to them about literally for five years now. They know it's coming. They haven't been opposed to it. And the closer, but we just keep getting closer and closer to being able to actually implement. It with their input. I mean, it hasn't been anything done in a vacuum. Kevin's been boots on the ground talking to business owners directly. We've been emailing. We've had multiple meetings. We've had a lot of discussion. It's not as if people don't know this is happening and they are unhappy about it. Your premier business here, Suffolk Theater, I consider one of your premier businesses, very much in favor of managed parking. So when we do this study, are we focusing on just one particular lot or are we going to try to change signs? Are we going to change the way we park? Are we going to try to make them free for 30 minutes or less to get a better handle of what the future lies of what it's going to be like? So are we putting signage other places so that they know? Parking on Main Street, there's three areas that are 15 minutes free. With current signage? Current signage. So we're not planning on changing any of that. We're just testing this one lot to see how we go. And it's a dollar an hour. It's not a fine. I think you had cover. If I may say this, and, you know, we had the pictures taken by the newspaper here. It was only a sample sign. That's the first thing everybody needs to understand. It was only a sample to show artwork, to show the branding of the Riverhead Town. But in that, it said $5 all day. So, of course, you know, social media lit up. That was just a sample. In retrospect, we probably wouldn't do that if we're trying to encourage turnover. An event day might be different. And so we will be taking that away. So, Kevin. I like that you're doing a grace period because I think, like, if I go to Diggers and I can't park in front to pick up a to-go water, right, and I can drive around back, and you say maybe they'd be, because there's another behind Diggers to the west. There's a takeout place there. Yes. I always see people in and out of there. Yes. So how are you going to handle that? Yeah, we would absolutely instill a grace period. How do you enforce the grace period? The clock starts 15 minutes or whatever this board has a resolution decides on. Right. And then that is carried on to the people that enforce it. Okay. We do not have the equipment in place to do that. Understood. No, you don't do it. I'm just curious. Okay. So for those small shops right in there, do we not want to just consider to put 10 spots or something behind Diggers in that area that is 20 minutes or less or 30 minutes or less or something where we won't get the all-dayers? Yeah. So we're going to have to have a lot of customers that are normally in the lot across the street to go over there. Yeah, that's happening. And now Diggers is faced with a full lot all day long, and then their customers are still going across the street to pay. So how do we? Yeah. That's what I'm concerned about. Instead of just doing one lot, can we spread it out a little bit to give a better idea of what the future lies? Well, we feel we need an encapsulated lot with a single egress and ingress, which is part of the reason. But what you're starting to speak about is curb management, and I forwarded it on a video. It's kind of a first-of-its-kind curb management that's being done in Fort Lee, and it's kind of amazing what we can do. We can manage every aspect of that for deliveries, pickups, Ubers, and then at night those can become different spots. They can become drop-offs for the hotels. All that's coming. This is just one little baby sort of piece of the puzzle to get this board and the public and the businesses comfortable with what I think you'll be surprised at the positive feedback you'll get from this once it's done. What's the timeframe? When do you plan on implementing it? Like, is there a time of year? Well, so... The pilot? Yeah. Ten days after the resolution. Yeah, Kevin says he needs ten days to set it up. If the board adopts a resolution on the 16th, he could have it ready to go ten days after that. I'd like to go back to the timeframe. I mean, you know, is 30 days...I don't know, and look, you know this better than I do, but what's wrong with one week? If you go from Monday to Monday, you're going through a lot of work. Is that a weekend? I don't particularly have any professional, personal problem with a two-week trial. Okay. So one week is not enough? We were hoping to capture a holiday weekend in there, so... I mean, you know, I'm just trying to... Sure. We have to encapsulate a weekend, for sure. We have to encapsulate all times of the day. We have to encapsulate rain, right? Very important. I stood in front of this sign, and I couldn't do this, and I was rained upon. I want to hear that. Maybe we need to put covers on top of the signs, or whatever it is. Let's hear it all. But let's get through some bad weather, good weather, sunny weather, I can't see the screen, whatever it may be. This will be very, very good ballot information, and I believe it hurts no one at all. So a week is not enough, but two weeks is enough? Deferring to yourself, I'm okay with two weeks. Two weeks is fine with me. If you're comfortable with two weeks, I'm fine with two weeks. I want an accurate figure. We're talking about one parking lot. Right. But I mean, if you're going to get a sampling, you know, two weeks is enough. But to Kevin's point, he's saying he wants to make sure that he can get feedback if it rains. I saw the weather, the extended forecast this morning. No rain in sight. Right, but if two weeks, I'm fine with two weeks. And that's just me. The other question I have is, oh, do you need to have an app so when you scan that, how does that work? Do people have to download an app in order to? No. Okay, I want the public to know, you know, I understand that. That'll be on the webpage, and I will do a full explanation of this before it happens, hence why I need the 10 days. You do not need an app. It's mobile compliant. An iPhone 7 or above will be able to scan. So what happens if you don't have? You text the park. And I'm sure all platforms. So I like where you're going. You're going to say, what happens if nobody has a phone and does not have the ability to do this? How are they going to pay? They're not going to be able to pay. They're going to either have a friend do it, or as a collective unit here, we're going to say, hmm, the population here doesn't have phones, which I don't believe, but I'm just putting it out there. We might need to do meters in there, too. It's not really a problem. It's not really the way the industry's going. But I just want to say, if there was a possibility that 20% of people had no idea how to scan the park, not the truth, but if it happened, then we'd have to come up with different ways. Okay. So then you're the liaison to the Park Congress? Yes. What did they think of this whole project? Well, initially everybody was in agreement with this. There were concerns that they did not know exactly how long this was going to last. And I believe that they're in favor of this. I do. I think you have to start somewhere, as everyone agrees. They do want to have the managed parking. And you can't just build a garage and then figure out afterwards what you're going to do with it. So we start small with tests like this. It may involve other tests, like Kevin said. We may have tests with regard to the 15 minutes on Main Street. These are just little small baby steps. Small baby steps. For something, thank you for pointing it out, that's going to be two years down the road. But you have to start. So that's all this is. So the committee was in agreement with this test. He did have concerns, rightly so, of where funds eventually go. Again, those are different conversations. I think it's great because I think a lot of businesses suffer, especially behind Diggers, when the people working in some of those buildings are there all day. I try to go to Diggers and I can't get a parking spot. That's the busiest. That's repeatedly identified as the busiest lot in town. I'll give you a statistic. In Huntington, for example. 30% of the businesses that go in there fail. And they keep revolving. Because people don't like driving around the block. Driving around the block. It's like, you know what, I'll go to another piece of place. Somewhere else. And that's what happens. So I'm definitely in favor of this trial. I mean, I'm just looking at two weeks. If you feel it's enough, then... If you wanted to word it in a resolution of two weeks and then a two week extension. I don't know if that's possible. We could do that. Or you could do that. Are you opposed to the month, Bob? To the 30 days? Or is that too long for you? If the sum of the same two weeks is enough, I'm fine with two weeks. I'm fine with 30. I'm fine with 30. Just to give you a real sample size. I think we need some real data. Just more moving towards the parking garage. Don't vote me out. 30 in the summer may have felt differently. But this is now going in. We'll be into November at this point. You know, there is another issue that really hasn't been discussed. And that's overcrowded houses. Some of their parking is in these lots. And they're leaving their cars there. And this is a way to combat that problem as well. Absolutely. The first thing we'll do at 6 o'clock in the morning is we'll see how many cars. We'll call it ground zero. There should be zero cars in there. But I can bet you there won't be zero cars. Absolutely. And we'll see how many cars we'll call ground zero. There should be zero cars in there. But I can bet you there won't be zero cars. And that's a really good point. Well, the public has been in an outcry of why aren't you doing anything. Well, we're trying to do something. And this is a tool that we can use to do away with that. And free up parking. It's a good point because behind Maximus there's definitely people that are not populating any of the businesses. They're just parking home. Well, keep in mind there's apartments above Maximus. Yeah, but not very many. 20, not a lot. [transcription gap] 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29, 29 businesses downtown by getting more turnover and getting more customers is the better for everybody in town it's just economic development all around it it helps the businesses it helps the residents it just it gets where we want to be and you know it's important to get started on it all right 30 days or two weeks where we have 30 days I'm 30 I'm two weeks I'm outvoted again it's okay all right let's not beat a dead horse into a parking stall here 30 days it is we'll do the resolution up and have it ready to go and you can get started great okay thank you thank you Kevin thanks Kevin all right don't go anywhere next up we have matters surrounding implementation of limited English proficiency policy known as LED and that'll be with one class okay so ! we circulated to the board a policy for limited English proficiency that would thank you allow the board to work to implement certain measures over time and with you know as need arises to address people with limited English proficiency so for instance translation of forms or translation of any other information room that's required I know we're working under new website that we would hope that that would address limited English proficiency I know Jo in our office middle of research the river head Free Library has a wonderful translation program it translates anything on their website to many many different languages we'd like to do that too we have a quite a few different languages spoken in town and so this is something that we we probably ought to have already done it's going to be required to is for our grants we were getting federal grant money and so in order to get those federal dollars we do need to have a limited English proficiency policy so here it is and this is what we're working on we've circulated a law department the draft that you have is a collaborative effort drafted initially by Joe Mayerana in our office and reviewed by our law department you see this on the state website county has this and it's how do we do this prior to doing it on the internet you know what's wrong website it's going to be as needed the way we've set it up now so you can go to our website and you can go to our website and you can go to our head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head copy it, put it into Google Translate, and there's all the languages there translated from there. That's the kind of stuff that we have to work on. We have to collect a little data as well, so we're going to have to ultimately report at some point how many people come in and request those services, and so this is moving in that direction. Great. We're also thinking about implementing the language line system that the police department and justice court currently use and making it town-wide in all of our offices, whether it's sewer, water, or any office in this building. They would all have access to the language line, which will help if a customer comes in. It will work out. It's fairly inexpensive to do. That's great. Yeah, I mean, thankfully, between AI and Translate services and the things that are being done with different websites, there's a lot of opportunity for that. I think that's a great thing for us to provide more convenient services to our residents. I'm surprised that this wasn't implemented sooner, to be honest. And saves the expense of hiring people to do all of this, too. And waiting for them to go from one place to another. And getting as good of a translation as we can possibly provide. And in the Spanish language, there's so many dialects, it would be impossible to have a translator for every particular dialect. Yes. And we have Polish speakers and Ukrainian speakers. Joe put in a... I don't know if you can hear the stats. We have quite a few different languages. We have 4,000 Spanish, 1,700 other Indo-European languages, 124 Asian and Pacific Island, and 230 speak other languages. And so, it's time. Absolutely. Good. That's great. And that is all on that topic. All right. Okay, well, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Devin, we're going to move on to resolutions. Good morning. Everybody's ready to go? Yep. Resolution number one, Water District Capital Project 82308, Budget Adjustment. Okay. Thank you. [transcription gap] 2023-294.

Can we just get a quick discussion on that? Sure. We'll ask Jeanette to come forward and just clarify, but this is back from 2023. It's really just a cleanup item, as I understand it. Okay.

So that relates to the ARPA funding, the American Rescue Plan. So we proposed a resolution or adopted a resolution back in, I don't remember how early we did it, but for $70,000 to help with the purchase of the citizen software for OpenGov for permitting for code enforcement. And at that time, we were kind of just getting into the project, but we were going to use the ARPA funds for it. We decided not to use the American Rescue Plans for it, but we never rescinded the original adoption of the reso. So we have to rescind that because we've since reallocated the money to other ARPA spending. And we have until December 31st to obligate all of the American Rescue Plan funds, which I'm happy to say at this point that they are all obligated. So we are all good and we will have full use of those funds. Good. Very good. Thank you, Jeanette.

Okay. Resolution number four. Authorization for one police department employee to attend training, leadership training. Resolution number five. Accepts resignation of and appoints member to the town of Riverhead Industrial Development Agency. Barbara Rizzi. Resolution number six. Authorizes the removal of all litter, garbage, refuse, rubbish upon the premises known as it should be 12 Longview Drive in Riverhead. So we'll make that correction in the system for Tuesday. Wednesday. You said Longview? Correct. So we'll make that correction in the system for Tuesday. Wednesday. You said Longview? Correct. It's up in Reeves Park. Resolution number seven. Acceptance of youth mentoring sports grant. And we should add the word award. So it's really a grant award there. Resolution number eight. Authorizes town clerk to publish and post notice to consider a local law to Ment Chapter 263 entitled of the Riverhead Town Code penalties for offenses. And this is the first one. And this is the second one. And this is the third one. And this is the fourth one. And this is the fifth one. And this is the sixth one. And this is the sixth one. And this is the seventh one. And this is the sixth one. And this is the seventh one. And this is the sixth one. And this is the sixth one. And this is the seventh one. And this is the sixth one. [transcription gap] a correction. We just have to make in the actual notice. This public hearing is going to take place on November 7th at 2 p.m. and we just had a little typographical error. We wrote 6 o'clock. We meant to write 2 o'clock in the notice. So we'll make that change.

Okay. We're all set on that. Resolution number 10 authorizes town clerk to publish in post notice to consider a law to amend chapter 217 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled penalties for offenses. Another typographical error in this resolution the notice suggests that the public hearing for this code change is going to take place on October 16th and it's in fact going to take place on November 19th at 6.15 p.m. So of course we'll make that change as well. Resolution number 11 schedules public hearing on local law to amend chapter 293 of the Town Code regarding dock regulations. This public hearing will take place on November 7th at 2 p.m. Resolution number 12 schedules public hearing for residential parking code amendment. This is for chapter 301. Public hearing is going to take place November 7th at 2 p.m. Resolution number 13 authorizes supervisor to execute a license agreement with Racetrack Knott Street LLC to utilize runway at EpCal. This is a public hearing on the

number 15 approves fireworks application for Baiting Hollow Club October 29, 2024. Resolution number 16 extends bid for fertilizer and lawn chemicals. This resolution may be pulled because I'm not sure we have the information just yet. We'll confirm today. Okay. Pays the bills. We know what that's all about. Resolution number 18 authorizes the supervisor to execute an agreement with Hendrickson Fire Rescue Equipment and this allows us to again get in the queue to order a chassis and also to begin to retrofit the box. As I understand it, the ambulance is not so easy to get these. Councilman Rothwell can probably explain that better than I. The ambulance is now a year and a half to two and a half years out. So you have to get in line. So the funds that will eventually pay for this vehicle are not going to be until the 2025 year or potentially the 2026 year. But we have one ambulance that is going to be used for the next year. So the ambulance is now going to be sent out. Hendrickson is going to provide a loaner ambulance for the duration while they take the box off the ambulance, put it on a new chassis, outfit it, comes back like a brand new vehicle. Once that's done, we want them at that same time then to pick up another ambulance and take it out. So the reality is the second ambulance potentially could be three years away. But if we don't get in line and we wait until next year's budget or the following year, then we're still going to have that deal. Okay. And that's it. That's amazing. Okay. Thank you, Devin. In a moment, we're going to close open session and go into executive session to discuss under personnel matters surrounding change in status of an employee with Chief Frost. And we have a contractual matter, matters surrounding possible sale of real property with Thomas, Prudente, and Hurley. So could I have a motion to close open session and go into executive session? So moved. Seconded. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Okay. Open session is closed. We will retire to executive session. Let's go, men!

Thank you.