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Thank you. [transcription gap] Okay, I have a couple announcements to make. We mentioned them last night, some of them at the town board meeting, but we'll, Warbler McGann today. Saturday, October 19th, the first annual Foodie Fest from 12 to 7 at Tanger Outlets up on Route 58 in Riverhead. Halloween Fest on Main Street Riverhead, that will be Saturday. And at 2 p.m., we have the Coffin Races on Main Street. From 3 to 5 p.m., it's trick-or-treating up and down Main Street. And at 6 o'clock, the parade starts. We have the 5K Run for Ridley Race with New York Marine Rescue Center. That's from 8 a.m. to 11 a.m., McDermott Avenue parking lot, 31 McDermott Avenue, and that's Saturday also. And then Sunday, October 20th, we have Racetrack Not Street Fall Classic, 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. at the Grumman Memorial Park. Does anybody else have anything they want to touch on again? Yes, I just wanted to let everyone know that the environmental... The Environmental Advisory Committee, they have a meeting that... It's actually going to be a movie tonight at the Senior Center. It's going to be in two parts. The first part is this evening on the 17th. It goes from 6.30 to 9 p.m. It actually starts at 7 p.m., and there's a little bit of a question and answer afterwards. It's also going to be running again on the following week, the next week on the 24th. That is as well. And it's about an hour and a half. Mark Hubner is running this. It's going to be at the Senior Center, and it's just regarding the environment, and it's a little bit of a question and afterwards, if anyone is interested in attending tonight. It's at the 17th at the Senior Center. And just remind everyone again, this is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and I'm asking everyone to have your mom, your sister, your daughter, your best friend, everybody checked to make sure they're healthy, and keep wearing the pink this month to remind everybody. Excellent. Thank you, Denise. Anybody else? I just have November's almost here, believe it or not, and we have our fall cleanup with the anti-litter committee on Saturday, November 2nd, right here at Town Hall. All are welcome to come and help keep Riverhead clean. It's from 9 to 11, and again, that's Saturday, November 2nd. Bob? I guess I would just add to what you said about the 19th. If you wanted to be involved in the conference race, I'm going to ask Alec, where do you go? Riverhead? Downtown Riverhead.org. Downtown Riverhead.org. Thank you. Good. $500 to the first place winner in each category, too. It's such a fun day. That's great. That's amazing. Yep. Okay. Under open session, we'll start with number one. We have police, matters surrounding the monthly report. July and August with Chief Floss.

Good morning. How are you all doing? How are you? Good morning, Chief.

Okay, I said July, August. This is actually September, Chief. Yes, we did that last month. Again, this is our numbers. If you look on page two and three, actually, we have a number on page two and three. We have a number on page two and three. Actually, I'm sorry, three and four. Those are where the 191 comes up. Obviously, there's a slight drop in the number of reported crimes. Obviously, the summertime, July and August, are busier months for us.

So, our incidents are similar. We're pretty much on pace for what the normal is for the drop after the summertime. We're expecting full headings next year. We'll head headings next year. [transcription gap] We'll head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head [transcription gap] head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head and not really even pursuing charges anymore because it's not really worth their effort at this point. So, you know, certain stores still do it, but you're seeing a larger portion just trespassing and, you know, telling the people to leave. So of these 58 for the month of September, are those where the store owners have press charges? I don't have that information, to be honest. Those are just street reports of larceny, you know, like the various ones. That's sad. Yeah. We do have actually probably the last page. Let's see. If you go to page 7, let's see if it's on there. Yeah, penal larceny, 12 of them for 606, which makes sense. That's in the retail area. Yep. And that's also a result of bail reform. If people know that someone isn't even going to be held, regardless of how many other crimes, they have pending. Correct. They're not going to pursue the charges, right? Correct. Yep. I noticed, too, Chief, that criminal incidents did go up this month from 2023. Yeah. Again, that's going to be, that's using the old reporting system. Okay. So you're probably, like I said, the biggest, what you guys are going to be looking for is three and four. I think those are the better indicators because they're all being reported the same way now. Okay. So we had 213 in August compared to 191. Okay. You see on page four. So those are the totals. Now, using this, they're going to be more true from July, August, September to look at than last year because they're going to be off. All right. Chief, this is about the car theft. So, I mean, there's a lot of cars being stolen and this is a riverhead. I think there was 16 at that whole toll. What is vehicle theft? People, that's not. Oh, okay. Vehicle theft. Somebody going in, breaking into the cars. Where's that happening? Do we know? Mostly? Is it at the... Cars are in the parking lots, residential areas. It's kind of, I don't want to jinx anything, but they've been lower as of recent. But we do have people coming from the five boroughs. They're in a car at two or three o'clock in the morning just going around different neighborhoods and seeing who leaves there. You got lucky cars. That's the biggest thing. But it's not one concentrated area. Obviously, that would be great because we could put people there and probably knock that crime down. But it's just general all over. You have people walking around neighborhoods. You got to lock your stuff up. I lock my cars. I know you guys.

Fatals, drug overdoses. We had one non-fatal and one fatal. It was a 57-year-old male. The non-fatal was a 33-year-old male. It's fentanyl-related overdose. And they were given Narcan. The non-fatal was by EMS and fire. The same for the fatal. It just wasn't able to revive him. I think that's pretty much it, you guys. Any other questions? No. Yeah, so like I said, it's a non-fatal. Moving forward, the 2023 numbers are going to be, you know, the criminal incidents are going to be off. You know, the total incidents should be, the top line should be good, though. Those are all done the same way. And the categories are different, too. Like, we're listed as a kidnapping in May. It wasn't a kidnapping. It was probably an unlawful imprisonment. Yeah. But the new stats, that's how they kind of group it all together. Yeah. This is what the neighbors reported that, you know, the state wants. Mm-hmm. So, yep. Okay. That's pretty much it. Very good. You'll be busy this weekend with the crew. I saw you last week walking Main Street again. Thank you. No problem. That's awesome that the chief of police goes out and does that. And downtown is very happy with the way things are going, so. Yes. I try my best. Again, I'm here in the public forum. Please call the police. We can't. We can't be everywhere. You know, we don't know. We don't see it. Ourself, you know, please call. Obviously, you know, that please call us. That's we have to have you involved with the whoever the individual. Also, the weekend Main Street's going to be shut down. I'm sure the VMS signs will go for the Halloween activities as well as Riverside Drive for the Ridley Run. We'll be open for local traffic only because that's the route they take. So just so the public knows. Chief, I want to say thank you. At the country fair last weekend, there were several people that had incidents and the police were all right on top of it, helping everyone that needed medical attention. And the weekend before at the Oktoberfest, that was very well attended and a lot of police members were also out and about walking in Grangeville Park. Thank you. No problem. Anything else? Thanks. No. No. Thanks. Thank you, Chief. Yep. Justin is asking that we take ourselves out of the park. We're not going to be able to walk around the park. We're going to be able to walk around the park. [transcription gap] All right, next up we have Code Enforcement Matters surrounding the monthly report. Senior Investigator Richard Downs, come on up. You're the next contestant. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. How are you? Good. Good. All right, everybody have their packet? Yes. We do? All right, Code Enforcement. We opened up 87 new complaint investigations for the month of September. This keeps going. I won't go through all of them, but you can see I bullet pointed all the new ones that we opened up. I'll highlight the most prevalent ones. Dangerous conditions, we had three. Overcrowded housing, we had 10. Residential building permits, we had 18 for this month, which was up. We did a shopping cart sweep. We did a shopping cart sweep throughout all the major shopping centers for the wheel lock systems that they were supposed to get pursuant to the code last year. We did 27 locations. Can you explain what that code is? Because I saw recently on social media where people were kind of laughing that we're trying to get a hold of the shopping cart incidents that are going around. There really is a problem. And there is code. Yes. So there's a Wi-Fi wheel locking system that they're required to have on premises to stop to lock the cart if it goes off premises. And that was a code adoption we did. I think Councilman Kern can highlight that because he was involved with that one. So it stops the cart from leaving the property. Highway Department has had a big problem picking up these carts. And we're trying to get them back. We've got these carts all over the place. All over. Just left randomly in places. So they've been impounding them. We've been trying to hold the shopping plazas accountable for the carts. What we do is we'll write a ticket. We'll issue it to the shopping plaza. And they'll have to appear in court and pay some sort of fine because the cart left their property. That's the new agenda on the agenda last night. That's the new code increasing the fines. It costs the Highway Department money to pick these things up. It does. Time and money to do it. It's light all over the community. Leaving them laying all over. So we're trying to curb that by having all the shopping plazas have a wheel lock system. So they can't push them off their property. Whoever might take the cart. Thank you. So we did a sweep and we had 27 properties that did not put the wheel lock system in pursuant to the code. So we're working with those particular properties to get that done. Excellent. Thank you. We had four transient rentals and one unsafe building and structure. We have 155 cases still under investigation since January 1st. I know that sounds like a lot but that includes the 87 new complaints that we got. Well that's picking up 87 in one month. Right. And so we split that between five officers too. Which is roughly 30 cases. So I'm not too concerned with that. When it gets over 300 then I'll be a little concerned. Also means you're waiting on court time right? To resolve stuff. Correct. Yes. Tickets we issued approximately 60 summonses. 46 notice of violations for the month of September. And some of those infractions were no rental permits, no building permits, no COs. Parking on a non-driveway within the front yard area. Litter. Commercial and residential. Land clearing no permits. Importation and exportation of materials without permits or approvals. Weeds, rubbish. Site land violations. Unsafe building and structures. Dangerous hazardous conditions. Overcrowding. We had some shopping carts that we issued the tickets to. Some establishments that didn't comply with the permit. That didn't comply with the notice of violations. Accessory buildings. We had some property maintenance code violations that we issued tickets. And open excavations and zoning infractions. Richard, one question on the litter commercial. I know we have a fine for littering but we also have a fine for illegal dumping. Which is a lot more. Yes. So one is under a different section of the town code. Solid waste is a section for dumping. And there's a litter section under the town code which had two different penalties. So is this litter commercial, is that under the solid waste? No. It's under the littering section of the town code. And those fines I think were increased last year. Yes. [transcription gap] Rental properties. We have inspected approximately 119 residential type structures. 225 apartment units. We did the Pecanic crossings and Fairfair apartments for the month of September. We've collected approximately $47,775 in rental fees for the month of September. And our total revenue year to date is $275,475 in rent. Very good. And if the board needs any further clarification on the report I have everything itemized. Okay. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. Appreciate it. All right. Thank you sir. You're welcome. Next up we have town clerk matters surrounding the monthly report with town clerk James Wooten. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning sir. I had a meeting last night. I haven't seen you in a while. I know. Yeah I know. Well you got me lined up today. We've got like seven public hearings for the 7th and a couple more so we're working on that all morning trying to get those things in the paper. It's been a pretty common month for September. Nothing really overshadowing. The FOIA requests are still coming in hot and heavy. But correspondence is way down. Thank God that we're not handling hundreds of letters any more which is good though. But we do treat them well. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate all the letters with respect and log them in. There's really nothing major report other than the fact that we did have the retiring of or the resigning of our Spanish clerk who went on to a full time job and doesn't have the time to do that. So we're going to have to deal with that gap. I think we're personnel to get something on Indeed or whatever we're advertising. We'll get that. We'll get the language line available to you. Yeah. That'll be important. I'll be honest with you. The price point we're paying is just not going to attract a lot of people. We're hoping that we can find someone young or maybe a young mother because the hours I'd like to give them is 11 to 2.30 which is perfect in the middle of the day if you have children in school or if you're a school bus driver or something. You might put something in between your runs. So I'm trying to make it accommodating for somebody just to come in and help with some of that. But we'll work on that. But we'll work on that. Thank you. [transcription gap] I tried to think of innovative ways to do it and I was told by personnel that they have to do everything. So I don't want to step on tiptoes. I'm not going to do that. She knows what we need and she's going to do that. So it's on Indeed now and I think I don't know where else to put it, to be honest with you. I am reaching out to some pastors I know in the Spanish church to see if there's something there that I might like. That's good. That's it. So it's we're moving right along. It's a busy office and we've got good staff in there. Any questions? No. I wish I had more to report. Summer's coming. Status quo. Winter's coming. Permits are there. Hunting licenses are done. It's going to change again come November. We'll be allowed whatever. We're not here for football. So that's it. Okay. Thank you very much. That's pretty good. I'm looking in the past. I think we always would compare birth certificates and death certificates to see how our community is growing. I would like to do. I was thinking about this the other day. I do every birth that happens in Peconic Bay. I granted every birth in Peconic Bay. That doesn't reflect whether you're a rivet resident. I mean, you could be. You could be a resident of a surrounding town. But I'm looking at the percentages coming in and I'm doing comparisons. And this school is in for a rude awakening five years from now. I got news for you with the amount of births we have. And yeah, this is going to be a lock. It's old. They're prepared for it. So I'm going to look at that all the time. Do you get a river sign in Flanders too? Or no? That's South Hampton. Does the birth certificate? Yeah. Well, the births I get, I mean, yeah, some are from Flanders, some from South Olds. Some expensive. They use Peconic Bay for their maternity ward. But I do know the ones that are river hangers for looking at school districts. And those stats are pretty amazing. It's going to happen in five years when they get school issues. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's going to be crazy. But that's it. So I haven't presented those. Not sure. But I'm just letting you know. Very good, sir. OK. All right. Thank you. Thanks. [transcription gap] Next up, we have Justice Court matters surrounding the monthly report. OK. Thanks. [transcription gap] Thanks. Thanks. And Justice Court with Councillor Saru. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? I'm well. OK. So I don't know what version everyone has. I just sent an updated one because I missed out on some of the fines. So I just, in case. Is that 4850? Is that all? 19,790 is the grand total. Probably a 14 something. Yes. OK. So I'll just. Exactly. Thank you. My apologies. And there's one other fixed way. That works. Thank you. That's even better. Yeah. I don't know what happened. But so another fixed that I just did is if you see under blight mitigation, it says 45 days jail. That's actually under human services. And to explain that, as we know, the maximum amount of jail you can do on a violation is 15 days. But there's a fixed period of time there. [transcription gap] With this particular individual, they were found guilty of three, and they were consecutive. So that's what it was. It was 15 plus 15 plus 15. So that happens sometimes. Just so it's clear that it was a legal sentence. You didn't put somebody for a shopping cart in 45 days. No, no, no. Not that I know of. Not yet. [transcription gap] So everything else is pretty straightforward. I did parse out the surcharges, so now we can see what fraction of the fines are surcharges that will go on those three individual counts. And then, as we know, everything with an asterisk on it is what was issued as a default judgment. So these are just people or corporations that don't show up in court. They eventually get a default judgment. So that's all I have. I had a couple of questions. I have a couple of working trials, have a couple of trials coming up this month and next month. But fairly straightforward stuff this month.

Okay. Very good. Any questions? Yeah. Well, you're doing a great job. Thank you. I appreciate it. Almost 20,000 fines. That's good. Thanks. Yeah. Let's hope they get paid. Yes. So any questions other than? No. Just nothing? Just nothing? No. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Thanks. Thank you. Next up we have planning. Matter surrounding residents change of zone application for 408 Middle Road, Riverhead. That will be with Greg Bergman. Good morning, Greg. Good morning. I do have Arthur Rast. He's the architect for the applicant here. Maybe he can answer any questions before they have. All right. [transcription gap] All right. [transcription gap] All right. [transcription gap]

So we've received a change of zone application. I'll be the first to say that we do not entertain a tremendous amount of change of zone applications. In eight years I've been here, this is the first one that's actually come in. So this is a change of zone application seeking to rezone a property from Residence RC Retirement Community to Residence A40. The property is located at 408 Middle Road in Riverhead. It is surrounding the developments known as John Wesley Village, Saddle Lake, Stony Woods, and Sunken Pond Estates. This property is presently improved with a one-story single-family residence, which I took a couple of pictures of in the staff report, as well as a detached garage in the back. I know I will acknowledge that this property owner did some illegal conversions to this detached garage and created two separate accessory apartments, which is not permitted under any version of our code, whether it's Residence RC or RA40. So they are currently in justice court processing through those violations. So they're seeking to change from the Retirement RC Community to Residence A40. Now on page two of the staff report, there's two images. Essentially, when the town rezoned the north side of Middle Road, when they create the rezoned this large swath of land retirement community, unfortunately, when we take sort of a broad stroke approach to rezone a property, maybe there was some thought that maybe this piece of it's about 1.4 acres. Maybe there was some thought that this would be incorporated into some type of development when these communities were being developed. That's never panned out. So what they're seeking is a rezone to Residence A40. Which is completely in keeping with the character of the surrounding area. On figure two on page two of the staff report, you can see the entire community directly to the east, Old Farm Road, Arrowhead Road. That's all zoned Residence A40. So I did run the question by the town attorney's office of whether or not this would sort of fall under a spot zoning category. I received a bunch of case law from Deputy Town Attorney Ferdenti. Essentially, spot zoning, is rezoning a piece of land or an area of land that would directly benefit a property owner, typically to the detriment of the surrounding neighborhood. This is not the case. In fact, this would turn the technically pre-existing nonconforming single family residence into a conforming use. It would allow the property owner to actually make an application to the building department, to the code enforcement to create one legal accessory apartment, which would provide for opportunities for inspection. To ensure safety, ensure compliance with the town code. So this is kind of unique in that it's in no way seeking an intensification of any potential uses. It's really actually reducing the potential uses on the property. Pretty straightforward. So is that what, he's looking for the change so he can have an accessory? Is that basically it? That is correct. It is currently in the Residence RC Retirement Community Zoning District. Which doesn't allow. An accessory apartment is not a permitted use. They cannot even make an application for it. So the Residence A40, the rezone, would allow them to actually make an application, would ensure safety, and would ensure that they would be compliant with the code. Should we be considering these two properties here also? So they haven't made applications to us yet. I can run that question by the town attorney's office. I don't know. Is it basically the same situation? It's two residential homes. Yeah. And in the same zoning area. And right across the street is all RA40. Correct. Yeah. The entire surrounding neighborhood is essentially RA40. Right. Aside from the retirement community villages. Yeah. I think it's exactly what you said. When we use a broad brush to paint an area of a certain, with retirement community, we encapsulated a couple properties that probably shouldn't have been covered under that. Yeah. So the application, like I said, a lot of times people will come to the planning department. They'll ask about rezoning. And 99 times out of 100, it's to intensify the use. So they want to bring in some type of commercial use or some other use that's not permitted by zoning. This, like I said, is really essentially the opposite. They're seeking to essentially turn a preexisting non-conforming single-family residence into a conforming use and allow them to make an application that conforms with the code. Makes total sense to me. But he hasn't paid the fines on the two accessories. Correct. That's still pending through Justice. Yeah. Justice Court. It's kind of like we need to have this first before we can really get to that point. Well, actually, he could pay the fines first. I think you need to pay the fines first. Yes. If you want to show good faith. Yeah. I mean, that, you know, not my valley whip, but yeah, I mean, I would agree. I mean, getting a change of zone would not clear the slate. I mean, they've clearly violated the code. They've done, you know, code enforcement. They've done inspections out there. It's verified. So, I mean, yeah, I would agree with that. I would also say that when we first started, we had a lot of issues with the building. When we first, when I first took on this project, we actually did, without me really realizing that the zoning didn't allow for it, I had submitted an application to building, and then I ended up being denied. So, I mean, it's technically in process with building department, but then they're basically at a hold because of the zoning. So, essentially, if this does get changed in terms of zoning, then we can kind of move forward with the whole process and ensure the homeowner's going to be more than willing to do any kind of fines, whether it's the fines and the fees, so to say, with the accessory department and building permit application. Do you want to rectify the issues currently? Yes. So, if it is set up in the format where it is, you know, in violation that it should be removed, fixed, restored, then cleared by the building department or the town justice court, and then you come in and then you file for a zoning? Basically, you're saying to us, you've already done all the work, and now you want us to change the zone to match your work. Is that right? Well, then we have to go down to one accessory to fix that, too. Well, correct. So, you're saying that you can only be allowed one accessory apartment and one in the other? There's size restrictions? I understand where you're coming from. The way I'm trying to look at this is the fact that, yes, they did violate the code, they did this work without permits, illegally and whatnot, but at the same time, there was also a significant amount of, you know, expense and material that was put into this and whatnot, and... Illegally. Well, yeah. To finish my point, though, if there's a way to have some kind of a compromise, yes, they can at least rectify the issue. They can at least rectify what they did, pay the fines, and still be able to have what they want. I think that's a reasonable compromise. I mean, granted, again, the code and the law is the law, but that's... I mean, I think if the board's amenable, I mean, maybe we could, of course, you know, speak with the town attorney's office. Maybe they can clear up their case with justice court, whatever resolution they come to, before the town board, you know, schedules a public hearing and really takes action on it. I think that would be a reasonable compromise. I'm fine with the way you presented it. I would also like to address what the supervisor said, you know, because this does conform with what is to the east. So, to the property to the west of that, is it worth doing the change of zone there so that it becomes RA 40? You know, so that it's consistent, so everything from there on to the east? All right. I mean, I... I'll run that by... I mean... You just take a look at that. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't have an objection. You know, the comp plan does talk about looking at pre-existing non-conforming uses. These are pre-existing non-conforming uses, and again, some of that... It's not the accessory dwelling, though. The house is pre-existing non-conforming. The accessory dwelling is not. That's still in violation. Yes. It was never... Correct. The principal use of the property in the single-family residence is a pre-existing non-conforming use. The other thing I would just note with regards to all this is that the property is not a non-conforming property. It's a non-conforming property. It's a non-conforming property. The other thing I would just note with regards to all this is... The fact of me being a registered architect, and I'm also a building safety inspector by New York State, is that any work that I'm working on in terms of trying to rectify all this stuff needs to meet the code and everything else. So, it's not like... You know, even though they did do it without permits and what-not, it's not like... It's not going to be rectified in such a way that it doesn't meet code. Well, it's not the code... I don't think we're concerned about the standard of building codes. that they're profiting illegally, having two accessory dwellings on this property, and now they want us to allow them to continue having an accessory dwelling on the property to continue making money. I would prefer to see them clear up justice court first before we put this up for a public hearing. I don't have a problem with changing it, but I would prefer that the mistake is corrected and legalized before we move forward. That's my decision. I think that's very reasonable. I will speak to the town attorney's office on that, as well as the rezone of some of the other couple of two or three nonconforming uses on Middle Road if we bring them into the RA40 zoning as well. Okay. All right. Good. All right. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thanks.

Next up we have Firemore. Marshal Mattis surrounding change to Chapter 231 regarding outdoor fires with Fire Marshal Keating and Fire Marshal Smith. Hello, gentlemen. How are you? Great. Good.

I'm going to let Liam take this over. I just want to say we're working on kind of cleaning up our code. We've done other sections. This is one that kind of didn't make sense. It was hard for us to enforce it, and the way it was written, it could be a lot better. So Fire Marshal Keating did a lot of work on this to bring it up to where it needs to be, and it should be beneficial to everybody on the board. Yes. So we had a couple of complaints recently as well through the police department, code enforcement in reference to residential properties and bonfires. So we really wanted to kind of outline some pieces to really break down the structure for residential commercial town properties and really make it clear that we're going to be doing that. So we kind of went through the code that we had. And like Chief Smith said, it was a little ambiguous. It didn't really line up with what we were trying to do. So on the sheet you guys have, we basically just kind of worked through, striked through the original one and then kind of went in line with a lot of the other municipalities around us with the original no person shall kindle or maintain or authorize a bonfire. Based on the New York State building codes, fire codes and the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation code. That's just the first section that is the catchall for what the code should be if you're kindling a bonfire or a recreational fire or otherwise. Then we broke down into residential property. We wanted to make it clear that there is no permit required for somebody to have a recreational fire on your property, residential property. We wanted to make it very specific that there's no bonfires allowed on private property. Those are for service. Those are for ceremonial religious purposes. Specifically like the downtown event that we have, that would be a bonfire. It's a bigger, more ceremonial. Some of the games, you know, for homecomings, stuff like that, that's a permitted piece, a bigger fire for those different events. So this isn't for backyard fire pits that are appropriate? This would give you like the basic safety things of kindling that fire, like 25 feet from a structure, things like that. So it still gives us teeth. It's a backyard fire, but it's just not safe. Right. We get called to stuff, they're burning garbage, you know, construction debris. Leaves. Yeah. That kind of stuff's still not permitted, but this kind of outlines what you can and can't do. Yeah, we've cited those before, but never really had it in the code to be able to show somebody that this is the requirements to it. So we wanted to outline that. So that's kind of the residential piece to it. And then we kind of broke down into commercial property. Commercial properties, generally, we don't allow for the most part. To have bonfires or on a commercial property. It's something that we've discussed as an office, and we wouldn't be amenable to it if there was a permit behind it. Something that we can do an inspection behind. We can make sure they're doing it safely. So we added that as a piece into commercial properties this time. And then obviously any town or river properties, the downtown events, people want to have bonfires, we'll just add a permit to that so we can do an inspection and ensure that it's being done safely. And then the B and C. And then the B and C were the original pieces. It just gives the authority to the fire chief, fire marshals, state forest rangers, or any police department to be able to stop or suspend anybody from using a fire pit or a bonfire or any permit that was issued. And those are the other two last pieces. What about fire department training? That's covered under the state fire code. So we do have a set part of this that says, that is in compliance with the fire department training. That is in compliance with state fire code. We generally don't have the fire departments get permits from us to do live fire scenarios. And yeah, then the last page was just we wanted to create some very clear definitions behind recreational fire, which is your residential fires, bonfires for ceremonial religious. The burn permits we've been issuing for some time to the agricultural community, that will remain unchanged. S'mores considered ceremonial? Cooking. Cooking, yeah. It's a tradition. You're consuming those S'mores, yeah you're all good. And yeah, we just wanted to define what was unapproved combustibles, burning garbage, trash, any sort of items like that. So that's pretty much it. Very good. Any questions? No, pretty straightforward with common sense. We were really just trying to clean up the code. Yep. Good work. Thank you gentlemen. Thank you. Have a great day. You too. Thank you. Okay. Last up we have recreation matters surrounding 2024 statistics to date and possible changes to 2025 beach stickers with Ray Coyne and Ashley. How are you? How are you? Isn't it the best for the last, right? Of course. All the ones you want to get rid of pretty quick. Everybody. Need one. Have one. Okay. I just changed the order of. I have. Need them. You can get them. Second page. Take them out. Okay. So I briefly want to just go over the statistics of the beach stickers. They're pretty much done. We do sell them here and there now. But for the most part they're done. But I'd like to start with some of the proposed changes that. So. [transcription gap] First one would be the South James Port boat ramp. Right now we sell daily stickers to non-residents. Now this is the boat ramp that the state owned years and years ago. And if you were a New York State resident, you could use the ramp, same as a resident. I think it was $20 at the time. So since then, I think four or five years ago, we took over the ramp from the state. And so what we did for non-residents, we allowed them daily passes. Now we received numerous complaints from, I guess the boaters that go there more than once, that they prefer a seasonal sticker, they just don't wanna go, come here, come to our office several times if they wanna change weekends, things like that. So based on all the complaints, we decided to come up with and propose to the board a seasonal boat sticker launch. So that would be, so basically what we did this year is we sold 39 non-resident boat ramp stickers daily. Revenue was 13.65. And we had nine repeat customers that purchased, on an average, two to four passes. So what we wanna do is sell one seasonal pass for these, the non-residents, at 225. So that was our old rate. Between 200 and 225 for non-resident passes. And I think it's a win-win for both because that gentleman or that person that's buying the two to four passes would pay us 140. Now they have to pay 225. And they're happy because they don't have to come back several times. What is the fee for the residents? The residents, it's just a 20. 25. 25 altogether. Do you need a parking pass and a boat launch pass? 25. [transcription gap] 25. The residents, it's just, what is it, 20, 20? It's 50 altogether because they need a parking pass and a boat launch pass. Okay. And it has no effect on the beaches or anything like that, so we figured. So a non-resident who wants to use just once for the summer is going to pay $2.25 also? No, it would be seasonal. So they can get a sticker for the season, and they can go as many times as they want. Right, but I'm saying if I just want to use, I'm a non-resident, I just need to use it one time. We'll still sell the dailies. Okay. We'll still sell them at $35. And then we'll give the option for the seasonal. Okay, so that's number one. So that's the first proposal. Just if you do the math right, $35 per day, the guy that uses two to four times, and you said nine of them are repeat customers, they use it two to four times. Even using it four times, it's still cheaper to buy it individually than it is to pay the $2.25. Yeah, but they're the ones who are complaining. They're saying we don't want to keep coming here. We want to go this weekend, but it rains, and we want to go next weekend. So it gets expensive. So it gets expensive. It gets confusing. I think those people will be happy with, hey, I'll give you the one time, we'll do the pass. And they might just go once or twice. Yeah. Or if they decide on a Saturday, let's go out to, you know, the beach. Yeah, they can only go to the beach during the season. And, again, they're not open all the time except for the weekends and then during the week and then coming to us during the hours. Then it rains, and they're like, what should I do? We're like, it's also easier for us to just say, here you go, do what you want. Yeah. So we figured it's a win-win. A little bit more revenue for the town. It's not a big item because, again, 39 is not a lot in the bigger scheme of things. I think more people will probably take advantage of it if they know they have this convenience. More people probably will use it. Yeah. That's our hope. Okay. Proposal number two. Hotel, motel, our favorite. That is for the hotels, motels, or two or more dwelling units in the town that we sell to. They get a... A placard or the... What is it? Hang tag. Hang tag. I don't know what that... So we have not increased this rate. I said a decade plus. We haven't increased it since I've been here, and that's 18 years. We charge them right now 75 per unit. 2024, we sold 21 to six different hotel, motels. So revenue of 1,500. So we'd like to start with proposing $100. So it's not a big hit on them, but continue to increase it over the years. And then our staff was also going to try to sell it to... Bring it out to other hotels and motels in the area to increase our revenue, but also give them the option to use our beaches if you're coming here for the weekend. I have a question on that, Ray. So sold 21. So let's say a hotel buys five. They can use those five. All summer long. Correct. The whole season. So they could be paying a dollar. I mean, if 100 people use it, right? Yeah. So it's 75 now per unit. How do you know when you see... What's a unit of room? Yeah. Yeah. But how do you distinguish what room it is? You don't, but they would only... Whatever number they purchase, if they have... Let's say they have a 20-room operation. They buy five passes. Only five of their clients can go use the beach. The other 15 can't. So they're probably going to buy the full amount. So in case everybody wants to go, they can all go. And they advertise it as we have beach passes, you know, for the use of our beaches. But if you have 12 weeks times five, that's my point. Just take 10 weeks times five. That's 50. So that's five people a week. What are they actually paying? Okay. [transcription gap] Okay. Okay. Okay. is at least get it going where we start increasing it because it has not been increased in a long time. Bob are you concerned that like they're just keep reusing the same passes with those units over the summer like that's what they don't just hand the pass in at the beach when they go the people at the hotel. No they're paying it for the season right? The hotel is getting passed for the season. Passed for the season is my point so you know. Yeah that is kind of low. But you know so it ends up being $20 for a day pass okay basically is what it ends up and so I think a hundred you know I mean you guys I think it's really fair. I think you just want to be careful with if you go too high then we're not gonna get any of them understood because they could just say well you're gonna come to this hotel anyway don't go to the beach for all we care. Are they putting a surcharge on the bill for the guests? Not supposed to. I don't think so. I don't think so. You know but I don't think they do. We have the same customers you know it's the local. Everything's built into their payments. I just I think it was important to rerun this past the East Creek committee and also the beach and the beach committee also. We had our beach committee meeting. Yeah we had the beach committee last night. Good. Yeah. And that that's good that we had it because the next proposal is something that one of the members had an issue with and we agreed we're gonna talk more about it. They said we can go ahead and move forward with it but it was just the rules and regulations and it's good to have a committee like that because we're proposing our rules and how we're gonna bring this out but they have their own you know solutions as well. So I'll jump to that now. It's a it's a resident guest pass. So the largest complaint we get and this has been going on for years and it's a very hard one to decipher and how to you know have a solution for these people. So I think it's important to have a committee that's going to talk more about it. So guest passes for visiting family members. So for example and this is there's several examples but the one number one we get is kids visiting their parents that are residents and they they have their own kids. They come with their own van with car seats and they want to spend the day at the beach and vice versa. If the grandparents are coming into town to visit the kids so that's an issue right there. So or babysitting wants to bring the kids to the beach. So again, I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm just saying that's a good thing. we brought it to the staff because that's a huge huge thing that we get every year and then I think it was Jordan too that had come up with this one. I thought it was a great idea and the staff was all over it. So we can offer every resident one guest pass. Yeah for a household. One pass per household per year. We charge them $225. Again that's the non-resident rate that we're gonna that we're using and there'll be rules to it. Residents would have to fill out an application to be approved by our department and this is the biggest thing. No replacement stickers will be issued. That will help prevent fraud and you know people say oh I lost I lost it. That's it. You're getting one and that's it for the year. It'll be a hang tag tag and it'll be linked to each resident's account. They all have their accounts in our system. So one of the members of the committee we brought this to the committee yesterday from the Reeves area. They weren't happy about it but they're willing to talk about it. So the first solution we came up with the Beach Committee was okay since you know Reeves is a rather small parking lot 33 spaces and they do get they sell out here and there. We bring it to the larger beaches. Iron Pier, South Janesport. They never go over 50% capacity in the parking lot. So that member of the committee was happy with that but we also said if the town board is in favor of it. We're gonna have to do it. We're gonna have to do it. We're gonna have to do it. We're gonna have to do it. If the city is in favor of it. We'll go ahead and move forward. But in our next meeting. We'll sit with the committee and we'll go over everything. Rule. You know if they want to add rules to it. What they'd like to see on it. So that's where we're at now. But I want to know what the town board thinks about that. I just want to bring one other thing. Sure. I thought that it was important to have something for. We have swimming lessons. And there's a lot of families that have a babysitter that bring the kids to swimming lessons and they can't use their car to take them if they're not a resident. Well, if you're a non-resident who takes swimming lessons, we provide a pass for the people to bring... No, but I mean for the babysitter. Like I was saying at the meeting that my daughter was a nanny and couldn't take her car over in South Hampton. And then they'd have to juggle the car seats and we were talking at the committee meeting yesterday about that's kind of a dangerous thing to keep shifting car seats around because if you don't install it back properly, if somebody doesn't have the knowledge to do it, that's a safety issue. So we do have to come up with something and I'm glad that you guys have been working on this. I mean anything for our programs that are held at the beach we'll provide. So if someone did come to us with that situation, we would give them a plaque or something. Or a tag or a hang tag that said, like let's say your swim lesson was from 10 to 11, we'd give you some wiggle room, 9.30 whatever to 11.30, only these days. So that nanny could get a pass for that. See, I like that. Instead of giving every resident an extra pass because there was discussion how it can get out of control. Yeah, I just feel like it's also a courtesy to our residents. I mean, no one's going to be able to get a pass. Many of you have kids or grandkids. I know like if my parents are watching my kids, it's easier to be like, yeah, go to our beach. You're at our house, you're watching my kids at my house in Winding River. Here just put the tag on, go to our beach right there. Something for them to do. And then a lot of these kids coming back from wherever they live, used to live here. So it's like a courtesy for them. And it's only one per house. We'd be very strict with it. And it's a way to make more income. And it's for the residents really. Because they're the ones complaining. And then it turns into a situation where it becomes a special situation. And we're like, okay, we can give you like a special event because you, whatever you're here for. Now you have an option. And this consistency. Yeah. So will this not be permitted at Winding River Beach? That was what originally we discussed the for all four beaches with the beach committee. The member of the Reeves had an issue. And so our solution. All right. We'll eliminate the smaller beaches and you can get 10 to two larger beaches. My question is, comes down to is in Winding River specifically, that's a small parking lot that is regularly filled on weekends. 35. Yeah. And we're fighting with a whole slew of Airbnbs along Creek Road. All of them will pick one of these ones up and then they'll fill the parking lot with non-residents that are renting those Airbnbs illegally. And it would be detrimental to the people that live in Winding River Beach. Yeah. And they're not going to be able to park anywhere. They'll simply want to go there and be able to park. So with 35 spots or so, like you say, and you probably got a dozen at least illegal Airbnbs operating, they'll purchase them right away. And so there goes the parking lot. That's my concern. Yeah. I think if you limit it to Iron Pier and to South Jamesport Beach, then they have a choice of if they're Bay people, some people prefer to Bay over the Sound and vice versa, you have the Sound available at Iron Pier. Yeah. And then you have the larger parks. And I know Bob has said he's going down like the South Jamesport. You just mentioned it before where it's only 50% capacity on a nice high bay. Yeah. We actually have the statistics in the following pages. Yeah. And none of the larger beaches, the small beaches like Councilman said, Winding River and Reeves, there'll be weekends where it's over 100% full. Right. Right. But the South Jamesport Iron Pier never hits above 60%. So we figured that would be... 100 spots, 101 for South Jamesport, 100 Iron Pier. So there'd be plenty of spots to do that. So it's just... Oh, I'm sorry. The only issue I have with this is the use of placards because it's an enforcement nightmare. Exactly. And the cops come through and you buy your beach sticker and it goes on the rear window of the car or whatever window you tell them it's on. Yeah. They come through the parking lot. They're actually now going to have to get out. And if there's a car that doesn't have the sticker... And now they're checking to see if there's a placard. It just... It slows them down in terms of being able to enforce the violation. So that was just a concern I had with that. You want me to speak to the chief then and see what he thinks about it? Well, I was wondering if there was any way we could do a sticker or an add-on sticker for that type of enforcement, for enforcement that way. We probably can. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, one of the most common problems we see with the... With the... With the beach parking violations are that, you know, someone gets a tag for some reason, you know... Usually special events. Yeah. Yeah. But what do you actually consider a special event? Is there like a criteria for that? Because that's another problem that we run into. Yeah. I mean, each case is different. You know, sometimes it's some resident that's having a party that you cannot allow parking on the beach. Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. [transcription gap] amendment because of the way that the code is currently structured with non residents being prohibited from parking at the gates so we should probably review the portion of the code and create some criteria for the special event passes okay and then also include something about this extra this if the town board is so inclined to add this like resident add-on and then we should talk to the chief because I've always sort of been opposed to the hanging the hangers because what happens is someone will come into court and they'll say oh I did no must fallen off or or I forgot to put it up or a Jeep with the top removed or a convertible with the top down it's it rips off and yeah yeah I'm sure you see it a lot you know where they where they come in and they say or TCO or a police officer must not have seen it and the TCOs and the police officers walk around the entire street and they're like oh I'm not sure what's going on here and so she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's she's they if there's a hanging thing there they're gonna see it so you just get into this proof sort of problem that I really want to sort of eliminate to the extent that we can so that when Victoria goes to prosecute these things and you know our TCOs and our police officers aren't getting sort of thrown under the bus on this because yeah it's not really fair to them so I mean I've always sort of thought maybe but they just get like a big huge like laminated thing that they just put in the dashboard and that's where it is and you can't it's not gonna fall off it's not they're not gonna forget to put it there because it's just like huge I don't know we used to do that and and the unfortunate thing was they were duplicated and duplicated by people people were very creative with it and that's why we went to hang tags okay um !

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we actually found another way to purchase hang tags at a lot cheaper price through Amazon so we can always order them at the last minute for the resident guest passes and what I would recommend is is we meet with the beach committee get everything that they want and in this proposal and then bring it back to the board and see if that's something the board would want to approve I'm also the liaison for East Creek okay so I can arrange that. Okay. So I can arrange a meeting with them also because the supervisor had mentioned yeah we were set to meet with them soon actually it's only three members now but we're set to meet with them usually meet them at the end of the season which is November so yeah definitely almost do a combined meeting with both one both of them to discuss this item that's a better idea actually get them all done right yeah okay do you see do you see limiting it to like let's just say 200 for the season as a trial or do you just see I mean we're not going to be able to do that. I mean what if a thousand people could. I just don't know I mean I don't know how big but yeah I don't really know that yet but also we wanted to make it super strict so that if it's my pass or my home like on a pass somewhere or in the thing is my name my so if you are using mine and you do something messed up that's my problem now so it's going to that homeowner or the person like I'm responsible for whatever he's doing at the beach. Eric Delman is too. Yeah don't use him. Councilman Rothwell is pretty good. I think that maybe with the with the add-on maybe we put into the code that there's also a referral to code enforcement and they check you know our code enforcement history and if they have transient rental violations in the past maybe that's something that gets denied then or and or we include something that makes it revocable if we do get that sort of complaint that relates back to the property owner. Yeah we're open to anything. How many can each property owner purchase right now is there a limit? We don't have a limit. By car. Oh meaning their own sticker? Yeah but I mean if you've got a family of six and six cars you can buy six. Yeah yeah we actually sell the beach sticker to the car itself and the car registration. Well why couldn't you do that with let's say that a resident knows that their family is coming for for the weekend or a week why can't the resident come in request to have a pass for them get a copy of the car's registration so that you have it on file. Yeah. And give them a permit with that license plate number on it. That's an option too. You know what that's a good I think that's in addition to this I think that's a really good idea because if you have somebody coming in for two weeks right so let's just say I do if they they do it under my name with their license plate right and it's a and they get a beach pass for two weeks they're going to leave you know I mean but then you got a sticker instead of a hand tag. Right. People don't want stickers all over the car. And it just becomes we just see it with all the types that we have right now. And then you add that to the police and then it's just more. Yeah. You said you can get the flat too maybe they only have one guest come. You're still going to have the Airbnbs when you fill out and you rent your house illegally in town of Riverhead and you give them your license plate from New Jersey whoever's running the Airbnb is going to come into you know your department and go here I would like to I need I need passes for that day I still think you're going to encounter that. But they only have one per household so. Yeah. You know if we put in something that makes it revocable. Yeah. I mean I think that's a good idea. Yeah. I mean I think that's a good idea. Yeah. I mean I think that's a good idea. Yeah. I mean I think that's a good idea. Yeah. I would suggest reaching out to South Old Town because they do something very similar to this. Okay. And check with them and see how they do it because I know if you're a resident of South Old Town you're allowed to have a pass if you have a relative who's head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head [transcription gap] head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head if you have a relative coming out to visit with you that's they have a program where they they allow that relative to you so see if they might make it easier if they have something that's okay true already so what we'll do we'll start with that yeah and then we'll have the committee's speech committee meeting up and then soon after we'll set it up for the work session and we'll provide the feedback and we can go and get it going because I know it takes you a while to get these stickers yeah yeah so but the hang tags like I said yeah we can order them later if it amounts to hang tags the only thing I would request is that on the tag itself it lists the locations that this yeah we do that only permitted at your agency and it is not doesn't just say each pass because that that'll be another problem important to be like now that what he told me I couldn't come here Ray brought that up at the meeting yesterday actually and we customize them like ourselves so we can type whatever your last name or your street or whatever so you can you know that that's that person so if the police do see it they can see this goes or it's a number that goes to you we can go straight to you we can create some kind of form that sets forth all the rules of use yeah yeah we talked about similar to the four by four yeah yeah this way if we do create some sort of revocation process we have something on paper that they signed and they're aware of and understood the rules when they were issued yeah that's fair that's okay all right so we have a plan for that so the next couple pages just beat statistics the packet that I originally gave you guys go to the third page because I noticed this in the committee meeting yesterday the percentage is confused people so I'd rather just give you the numbers itself so you'll see the beach stickers 2024 version of the code and the number of the code is the number of the code. So I'd rather just give you the numbers itself so you'll see the beach stickers 2024 version of the code. so you'll see the beach stickers 2024 version of the code. verse 2023 with the actual numbers not percentage and it should be page 3 for you guys I switch with you as this page so I'll just get I'll go over quickly just go over the the results I'm not going to go through each line for you so this is the 2024 beach stickers through the first week of October 2023 is on the bottom portion of it 2024 is the top portion of it we increased the rate for all the beach stickers by five dollars in 2030 so I'll just head over here so I'll head over here so I'll head over here so 2024. So that resulted in, well, we had an 8% increase in the total amount of beach stickers sold, which is 739 actual stickers. And the good part is 41% increase in the total revenue, which equates to $63,650. We saw a 9% jump in residents and a 7% jump in seniors. That more than covered the loss from non-resident individual day passes. Yeah, that was a little bit under $50,000. This was $63,000. So making the price change. And again, the only group that had issues with the price change were the seniors, which we expected because we were increasing it. We were doubling it in a sense for them. But now they've been through it. We should have smooth sailing from here on in. Okay. And then- And then the next four pages are what we do with the beaches now is we track the amount of the attendance through cars. So how many cars are in the parking lot at what hour. So the first beach that I have in the graph is South Janesport. South Janesport has 102 spots. So what we look for is patterns. So in this particular case, there wasn't really anything that stood out with South Janesport. Obviously the highest average were on the weekends and this is average daily. So that was a question that came up yesterday. So we put all the data into one average per day. So 23.7% were the average on Saturdays and 23.56% were the average on Sundays. If you look at the right hand side, this identifies peak daily average. Okay. So we're looking at the peak days. So where the parking lots were full the most. So in South Janesport, you can see in July, most obvious 714 through 716, it hit the 67% mark, close to 70%. 728, it hit just below 60%. So those are high days. So we'll look to that. Ray, when you say that there's 102 spots at South Janesport, does that include the marina parking? No, no, that's separate. So the next page would be Iron Pier. And same thing thing, Iron Pier has 102 spots. No, actually 100 on the nose. And so with Iron Pier, what stood out more were the times. So Saturday and Sundays were absolutely the largest, but between 3 and 5pm, we saw the highest spike. But again, nothing went over. 60% with Iron Pier. So we head our peak days, but there wasn't anything that stood out. I didn't even put that on here. I just put the daily average. The next two pages are the smaller beaches. So the first one is Reeves, which has 36 spots, which stood out, were sat in Sundays between 3 and 5, on an average hit the 62% to 75%. Sundays were the better days at Reeves. And you can see that we discussed before the block of dates where we really hit high end of the parking lot. So that's good for us to know to manage the parking lots and the traffic, especially at Reeves. So between July 3rd through July 9th, we hit over 100% on many of the days, up to 125% of the parking lot. So they're parking on the sides, other places. You saw, again, a spike in mid-July and a spike at the end of July. In August, there was only one weekend, August, that was high. The rest? I didn't put it in the graph, because it's just back to normal with August. You see the stats drop big time in August. So it's just patterns that we're looking at. We go by the daily average by hour. You can see which hours. So sometimes, like, for instance, on those peak days, maybe we'll add a second beach attendant, just to make sure the customers are getting through the parking lot. There's no arguments. There's no arguments. There's a lot of issues over at Reeves. Well, just another point with Reeves is I know that there's a lot of things. Always people want to protect Reeves as far as the parking goes, but that's really what's being utilized there is just the parking lot. It's probably the least used beach itself, because everybody parks there. And I only know this from the beach attendants and the beach manager going around. If we can't staff something, we'll usually unstaff Reeves first, because nobody's really in the beach area. They park there and then go. Go. East and west. And go to their private locations. So it's just for that parking lot. Just on a side note, Ashley runs the beaches. And since she's taken over, last five years we had absolutely no health violations. Health department comes twice a year. Zero. So her and her staff do a wonderful job at the beaches. And with the committee, we've got nothing but compliments this year. It was a very, very good year at the beaches. So we're happy about that. They're very happy, the beach committee. They're a very good committee. They really are. What do you know about Waiting River happening at that beach? Okay, Waiting River is the last one. So what stood out, I guess, is between Sundays, actually, is a higher day at Waiting River. And the p.m. hours, between 3 and 5 p.m. are the higher ends, the percentages of the parking lot. That could be for La Plage, too, coming there, eating dinner, going there. We also see. We don't track after 5 o'clock, but there's a surge at night, people watching the sunset. The peak days at Waiting River, you can see that there's a lot. I added June in for Waiting River because they do see over 50% in June. June's usually a very slow month for us unless it's really hot. You saw July 21 through 23, it hit the little bit over 80% mark. So it is crowded on those particular days. Reeves is up and down, but weekends, it tends to be very crowded. How many spots do you have at Waiting River Beach? Waiting River, we have 33. Is that including the overflow parking lot? No, 35 in the main parking lot. So it's just, again, we do these statistics to see if patterns, anything stands out, how we manage the beaches, how we staff the beaches. And it's good to see the changes. So that's it for the beach stickers. It was parking at Waiting River Beach, the overflow lot. We have a contract with LaPage. Is that money from LaPage going into the recreation buzzer? I don't know. I don't have any control over that. You don't see anything coming into your department for renting out of those spaces? No. Do you know if that contract's ever been renewed? I know there was talks about three years ago I believe it was renewed. I don't know if the attorney's office, I don't know who handled it. They handled it to be honest with you. They were dealing with it this year. I don't know what the final outcome was, but I know they were meeting with them. Okay. If out of your budget is coming for the maintenance of those parking lots and the cleaning of those parking lots, then I honestly think that the money from that should be going into your budget. I'll never complain if you want to give us more money. No, I just think they're walking in, they're cleaning. I know there's been times you've had crews down there picking up debris and everything around the parking lot. So you're doing it. You're doing the job. We can have Jeanette research that and figure out where that money's going. Is that our lot? Do we lease that from LaPlage or do they lease it from us? No. They lease it from us. They lease it from us. And beach goers can use that? Yeah. They can. They can. There are actually spots marked out. How many spots are there? How many do you know? I don't know off the top of my head. Do you know? Beach attendants will usually just have track the main ones so that they're not leaving the station. The main park lot, yeah. I can tell you I have had a lot of people leave the station. [transcription gap] I can tell you I have had two people just complain. They've gotten tickets. Apparently there's a sign that says beach parking but you can barely read it and it's covered by fauna bushes and they're like I didn't even see there was a sign there. So you can't park there. We do have to replace them almost every year over there. And they've got to be really clear. There's two different people and I said I don't know. I don't know what to do. You've got to tell them in court. I said I don't know. I said you need to take a picture of it and bring that to court so they can see what you didn't see. Yeah, that's good to know. Okay, if there's no questions we have some homework to do with the proposal of resident guest pass. I assume that the town is okay with the first two proposals? The town board is okay with that? I'm fine with both. Okay. Just touch base with South Pole and NC because like you said I know they have a program they've been using so. Okay, we'll be on that. I don't know if it would fit here. And we'll come see you next month and to the committee meetings. Okay. All right, thank you folks. Thank you. [transcription gap] Okay, that's all we have for open session today. In a moment I'll close and we'll go into executive session to discuss contractual matters, matters surrounding contractual agreement with the PBA and that's with myself. And we have matters surrounding possible lease of town property with Thomas and Hurley. So can I have a motion to close open session and go into executive session? So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Okay, open session is closed. We will now be retiring to executive session to discuss those items. Everybody have a wonderful weekend and thank you very much.

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