November 25, 2024 — Town Board Work Session

Town Board Work Session Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
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1:30Thank you, John.
1:37Okay.
1:39Before we get started with our topics here, I just want to have Greg Bergman come on up,
1:44and if he has something he would like to speak to us about and make an announcement.
1:52Good morning.
1:53Good morning.
1:54All right.
1:55So this is just really sort of a public service announcement.
1:58We want to get the word out there.
2:00We want to get the word out there and increase transparency and visibility.
2:03The planning board is reviewing a development project out in Calverton.
2:07It's called TJOC Calverton.
2:09You may see the name Calverton Hamlet Center floating around.
2:13It is a two-part application that the board is reviewing.
2:16It involves a major subdivision and a site plan seeking to redevelop.
2:19It's approximately a 16-acre site in between Malosky's Poultry Farm and J&R's Steakhouse.
2:25North side of Middle Country Road, about 600 feet west of Fresh Pond Avenue.
2:30The planning board issued a positive declaration on the project requiring the preparation of
2:34a draft environmental impact statement.
2:37The planning board is in receipt of what is called the draft scope for that project, and
2:43that sets the parameters on what the draft environmental impact statement is going to
2:47study.
2:49Just because the project site is located in proximity to an environmental justice area,
2:54we're just trying to sort of engage in enhanced public participation.
2:57Ultimately, it's public participation.
2:58We're just trying to sort of engage in enhanced public participation.
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3:01We're just trying to sort of engage in enhanced public participation that will yield the best
3:02project.
3:03So the applicable documents, the draft scope, the site plan, subdivision plan, and all relevant
3:08documents are available on the town's website.
3:11They've been posted in two places since Friday, November 8th.
3:14They were posted on the main town of Riverhead website.
3:18On the bottom of the page, there's a little tab called Quick Links.
3:21You'll see a link there for TJOC Calverton, and those documents are also available on
3:26the planning department's webpage.
3:28So it's really just a public service.
3:29The planning board will be holding a public hearing on that scoping session, on those
3:34scoping documents.
3:36That meeting is next Thursday, December 5th at 6 PM.
3:40So I'm just trying to get the word out there.
3:42We want to see good public involvement on this.
3:46The purpose of it is, again, to comment on the draft scope.
3:50So it's not per se a, we don't want this project.
3:53We don't like it.
3:54It's to really hone in that scope and determine what's going to be studied in connection with
3:59the environmental justice.
3:59to review with that project this project is an as of right use correct completely as of right
4:04uh no variances no you know no relief being sought completely as of right what is the project for uh
4:11so the it's about a 16 acre parcel uh it's going to result they're proposing a major subdivision
4:17which will result in seven new single-family residential building lots uh there is a zoning
4:23which is called hamlet center zoning which is on the road fronting portion of the property about
4:27500 feet deep that commercial lot is going to be about 200 000 square feet and they're proposing a
4:35mixed use development on that property consisting of about 30 000 square feet of ground floor
4:40commercial space and 36 one-bedroom apartments on the upper floors no tenants as of yet i really
4:47expect development but the hamlet center zoning district does allow a pretty wide range of uses
4:53so it'll be a nice little hamlet center development out there you're always good at
4:57like informing us towards what the impact is on the school will that be part of the report from
5:01public what what what would be your perception of how many kids this puts in the school so i mean
5:07that that's something we can look at um you know we've we've had that question come up on other
5:12apartment developments um it's it is difficult to speculate i mean we have seen i did have some data
5:18when we were reviewing the 203 213 east main street i did foil the school district a couple
5:23years ago about the downtown apartment developments um
5:27so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so
5:57on the website as they come in the availability they get put up so the
6:01public has another means of knowing what's going on so hopefully we don't
6:06hear I didn't know about this when did this happen that type of thing would get
6:10it out to the public right away and then there's you know hopefully that will
6:13help matters correct I did share the scope with the Greater
6:16Calvitan Civic Association knowing that they would be interested and again
6:20members of the planning department are always available for a phone call if you
6:24go to the town website our extensions are listed on there our email addresses
6:27I welcome anybody to call and ask questions about the process what the
6:32next steps are etc what level of involvement they can have in so I would
6:35look forward to any of those calls coming in good thank you excellent
6:39appreciate it okay our first topic up for open session is police matters
6:47surrounding a monthly report July and August with cheap frost
6:52October
6:54oh yeah that generates every time the same two months
7:05okay as you can see our criminal incidents are 209 so up from 2023 but
7:15it's a different reporting system obviously page three and four are the
7:20real the nuts and bolts of it like I said where as you can see in the
7:24bottom of page four the numbers are kind of consistent across you know the
7:32four months now it's just a lot better look for this system and how everything's
7:38getting reported obviously one of our hires is shoplifting there's a lot of
7:44you know from stores 65 in October that's that's only going to go up with the
7:51holiday season coming correct right and the fact that we're going to be doing a lot of work on the
7:54same thing so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so
8:24his office or our local town justice it's a requirement that the state put down so
8:29yeah you got to get your state legislators yep thanks not he's not allowed the judges
8:33to correct the judges don't have the options it's not like four bob four not doubled well
8:39it's because of they're in the rut right now so yep next month will be even higher
8:45um we did have two non-fatal uh overdoses um two females 35 and 34. eight years of age
8:56an arcane years down below yes yep um like i said i think we're just we're clicking along um
9:05that's pretty much what i have um obviously black black friday is this coming friday
9:14inspector
9:15of traffic up on the 58 area um if you don't need to go in that area i probably wouldn't
9:22i would suggest not to um i know a lot of the big box stores are not opening on thanksgiving day
9:28correct uh is tanger open they're not either that's good okay yeah well they stopped that a
9:33lot of them during prover and didn't go back to it so um i kind of like that actually thanksgiving i
9:39have to check on it to be honest with you after that a tanger yeah yeah i know it opens at six
9:44it's not
9:45it's not overnight anymore which is which is a lot better yeah there's also it was posted in
9:50the media releases so the public knows there's going to be road construction on west main from
9:54forge road to mill uh it's starting very shortly and anticipating into into the spring so you
10:02you know it could be subject to closures here and there um but the roads will reopen you know daily
10:08so um if i just have a question on the new reporting system
10:15it doesn't distinguish between domestic assaults and regular assaults at all that's the way it is
10:22yeah the criminal justice system puts it that way this is from straight from you know we report to
10:28dcjs and that's you know obviously we would have so when we get a new category it would populate so
10:34like we haven't seen every crime yet that um that the system has but obviously we've seen domestic
10:41you know we've arrested people for domestic you know assaults and harassments
10:45so this is how it shows up
10:51is that on the revenue chart that um there's a line for inter lock device
11:01and you had no revenue from from that is that something that is outsourced or is that something
11:05that the town would be able to provide to be able to generate no that's that's for if someone gets
11:14mandated to have a interlock device and it does get outsourced it does get out yeah the company
11:20installs it they have to the person comes in that we hold like a we hold like the check for
11:27once it's ordered to get into the car and then it's it the company gets you know installs it
11:33we don't we don't we don't charge anybody that's part of the okay the county chief guys one
11:39question part of this the where it says simple assault is that what covers um
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11:55a better look into it but I'm going to say that's going to fall into simple
11:59assault okay I'll get back to you so you want to know where are those crimes
12:06again typically domestic violence cases at harassment and strangulation cases
12:12under this new rubric where does that fall
12:17just because we always talk about your strikes I have to commend the highway
12:26department like last Monday I was out and pick up truck out there and the
12:31whole truck was loaded with gear and like they're phenomenal about getting
12:34out there first thing early Monday morning and collection over the weekend
12:36it's a lot of work and there seems to be probably a lot more deer strikes that
12:42are taking place that are actually reported to the police and so for our
12:45engine and they do a phenomenal job
12:46totally
12:47keeping our highways clean and safe and that's a tough job to do so I commend
12:51them as well as all the work of course the police department's doing thank you
12:59chief thank you I just want to say I wanted to say one positive thing here
13:04aside from just grilling thank you very much for attending the Guatemala gala
13:08the police department was there and it's very nicely attended but all members of
13:12the police department we ever had as well thank you
13:16okay the second item we have up is code enforcement matters surrounding a
13:21monthly report rich downs
13:29morning everybody everybody got the handouts
13:39all right code enforcement we opened up 70 new complaint investigations for the month of April.
13:43we opened up 70 new complaint investigations for the month of April.
13:46so we have headings full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full
14:16We have approximately 155 cases still under investigation since January 1st.
14:27I'm not too worried about that number because you have to think that we split that between five officers.
14:34And those are also cases that could be in court.
14:37They're still open.
14:38Right.
14:39So that process takes a while in and of itself.
14:42Right, and still under investigation.
14:43So, you know, it averages out to about 30 per officer when you look at it that way.
14:51If that number gets up to over 250 or something, then I'm a little concerned.
14:58The tickets, summonses, we issued 63 summonses, 27 notice of violations,
15:05and sometimes those notice of violations will turn into additional summonses for noncompliance.
15:13Those, I bullet pointed some of the infractions.
15:18For summonses, we had no rental permits, no building permits, no COs,
15:25parking on the front yard area, commercial litter, residential litter, land clearing without permits,
15:37importation of materials, weeds, some site plans.
15:43Those are those commercial properties that have either altered their site plan or are not keeping up with the site conditions.
15:54Unsafe buildings, dangerous hazardous conditions, overcrowding.
16:00We had a slew of shopping cart tickets that we issued.
16:05We had sent out a bunch of notice of violations to commercial properties who are in compliance with the wheel locking systems
16:12on their shopping.
16:14We sent out some sign cards.
16:16We started issuing some summonses to those businesses that haven't complied with the wheel locking systems.
16:23Accessory buildings and structures, setback violations.
16:29We had some property maintenance code violations in New York State.
16:33And zoning.
16:35Moving on to rentals.
16:37We inspected approximately 120 residential houses.
16:41We inspected approximately 120 residential houses.
16:44And 100 apartment units.
16:46Fees in rentals.
16:48We collected $35,850 for the month of October.
16:50And our year 2D revenue in our department for rentals is $311.325 in rental fees.
16:56Any questions?
16:58Yes.
17:00I have one.
17:02Richie.
17:04On litter coverage.
17:06I have a question.
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17:12Richie, on litter commercial, is that illegal dumping?
17:14Most of that time it's a failure to maintain commercial properties with just litter.
17:24Like paper, bottles, cans, things of that nature.
17:28I think the fines are higher for the commercial properties than they are for the residential.
17:32What's the fine for no building permit on a residential building project?
17:38I believe the minimum is $1,000.00.
17:39Okay.
17:40Thank you.
17:41Thank you.
17:41I believe the minimum fine is $500.00.
17:43Excuse me.
17:45And that can go up to $1,000.00.
17:51And in second offense, of course, it increases from $1,000.00 to $1,500.00.
17:55And third offense is $1,500.00 to $2,500.00.
18:00Okay.
18:02Very good.
18:04Any other questions?
18:06All right.
18:07Okay.
18:08Thank you, Rich.
18:09Thank you.
18:10Thank you.
18:11Next up we have Town Clerk Matters Surrounding the Monthly Report with Jim Wooten.
18:21How are you?
18:22Good.
18:23Of course, the one that inundates us the most are of course the FOIL requests that come in daily and get rerouted by us.
18:33That's up to $223.00 so far for October.
18:37And it's a little higher this month so far.
18:39Okay.
18:40Other than that, it's pretty self-evident what we do there with the log licenses and the birth certificates.
18:51There are now on a good note, Monday, this coming Monday, our Spanish interpreter part-timer will be starting.
18:59So and then I guess on the meeting on Tuesday, we'll ratify her appointment.
19:03So I'll bring her around and introduce her to everybody.
19:05And what schedule will she be working Monday, Wednesday, Friday?
19:08I have her five days a week, 11 to 2.30.
19:11Okay.
19:12I wanted somebody every day.
19:13Every day.
19:14Because it's…
19:15I don't like saying everybody in the camera.
19:16Right.
19:17So we're trying to…we've arranged our wedding schedules so that they'll be between 11 and 12 in one for her.
19:25We've tried to schedule wedding appointments and it's…so we're trying to work around that schedule.
19:30So that's going to be a real lifesaver for our department.
19:36Also, I am working with Victoria Cerull on the…what we'd like to see as far as fees for next year.
19:44Minor things.
19:46Animal control, prices, taxi cab.
19:50It's all through local law.
19:52So it all has to be done through public hearing.
19:54So we're creating that now and we should be able…
19:57I'll hopefully have that for the next meeting as far as the post to the public hearing on that.
20:01And that then instituted by the person here.
20:03So Bob's been great working with me on that.
20:05And other than that…
20:15Any questions?
20:16Can we post that somewhere in Spanish?
20:17The hours?
20:18Yeah, sure.
20:21Outside the door, it just says people come and they can arrive.
20:24Yep, yep.
20:25They don't speak English, they can at least know when to return on the correct hours.
20:28I think it's…you're right.
20:30We'll do just that.
20:32Some know a lot of English.
20:34Yeah.
20:35A little bit of English.
20:36Just enough that we can…a lot of times we'll text back and forth and use…but then again,
20:41it's generic.
20:42So sometimes…I didn't realize that in the Spanish language there's so many different
20:46dialects that sometimes…
20:47It's all right.
20:48…somebody from Ecuador can't understand what somebody from Guatemala is saying.
20:52It's weird.
20:53It's just they got different dialects and different words than me.
20:55So…
20:56Yep.
20:57But yeah, we'll definitely post that.
20:58That's a good idea.
20:59That's a great idea.
21:00And that's it.
21:01Anybody else?
21:02I wish there was more.
21:03I think we're good.
21:04Anybody else?
21:05I wish there was more.
21:06More to report.
21:07No, that's fine.
21:08But we stay nice and steady in there.
21:10And you guys really gave me my workout with those 18 publishing posts and all that.
21:17So we just got done with that.
21:18Aren't you glad it's behind you though?
21:19Aren't you glad it's behind you?
21:20Well, I tell you, it's…because you remember every…it's got to be posted 18 times and
21:25put in the paper 18 times.
21:26But it's good though.
21:27It's good.
21:28It keeps me busy after a time-worn meeting.
21:29Yeah.
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21:33I'm glad you're happy after a time-worn meeting.
21:34There's a lot more coming.
21:35A lineup.
21:36And it's good.
21:37And they did a great job.
21:38Yeah.
21:39They did.
21:40I'm very proud of it.
21:41Okay.
21:42Thank you, sir.
21:43Have a great Thanksgiving.
21:44You too, Jim.
21:45Thank you.
21:46You too, Jim.
21:47Next up we have Justice Court Matters to run in the Monthly Report with Counselor
21:51Saru.
21:52Good afternoon.
21:53How are you?
21:54Good.
21:55So it's very, very busy in the month of October.
22:00I'm very busy.
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22:12We had a lot of dispositions. I separated them out into counts.
22:19We had a lot of jail sentences, a couple of trials.
22:24So that grand total, that's obviously everything including surcharges.
22:30We were up to $40,980 last month, which is, yeah.
22:37Anything with an asterisk, as you know, are default judgments.
22:42And these are just numbers that we're hoping that when people pay what they're supposed to pay,
22:48that is what would have been collected.
22:51So pretty straightforward.
22:54We only had one parking date because of the holiday, so that's why that's a little bit lower than usual.
22:59But everything else, we're trying to crank these out.
23:03Because as you know, there's many code enforcement officers, many fire marshals, PD, one of me.
23:09So I'm trying to move everything along.
23:12As best I can.
23:16So that's pretty much all I have.
23:18I don't have anything in particular.
23:21But any questions you have that you might want me to report back on on the next one, I'm happy to.
23:28Excellent.
23:29Keep the numbers coming.
23:31These are good.
23:32These are good.
23:34I would just say at the conclusion of the year, so maybe in January,
23:37if we can get a report on all the mandatory surcharges in the proper categories,
23:42and then we can kind of,
23:44just on our financial administrative window,
23:48and then if there's any particular project like a picnic table in the park, as simple as that,
23:54knowing if and what additional funds may be available in the appropriate department.
23:58Yeah, so this chart that you're all looking at now is the full picture of the court.
24:03But every month I send to accounting just the surcharges in an Excel spreadsheet.
24:08Excellent.
24:09So it'll compile and I have a tab for each month.
24:11So hopefully that's helpful.
24:12Hopefully by January it'll already be done on my end.
24:14So that's perfect.
24:15Yeah.
24:16Thank you for keeping such good track of everything.
24:19No problem.
24:20It's just like the little things.
24:21It's not an absorbent amount of money, but like I say, picnic table here, there, different placements and so forth, repairs.
24:27Yeah.
24:28It certainly adds up so long as people are paying them.
24:30We should be.
24:31So thank you.
24:32Thank you.
24:33Anyone else?
24:35Okay.
24:36Good to see everyone.
24:37Thank you, Victoria.
24:42Okay.
24:43Next up we have matters surrounding possible change in showmobile rental fees.
24:46And that will be with Kern, Waske, Testa, and Clifford.
24:49So they're in route.
24:50They got delayed on another meeting.
24:51Maybe you want to jump to your last item and then we'll go back to showmobile.
24:55Okay.
24:56Mine's going to be quick.
24:57We're going to skip over and hold off on that for a little bit.
25:01Item six is matters surrounding update on CCBT committee.
25:06That's with me.
25:07We had on November 13th, we had a meeting.
25:10Right.
25:11With the committee that I have on EPCOW.
25:15And we talked basically about environmental regeneration and environmental issues that
25:22could possibly be something up at EPCOW.
25:27And we looked at other things that are going on around the country, how different recycling
25:33programs, Bob.
25:34This was a recycling to an upcycle program, which you've talked about before.
25:39They have...
25:40In other parts of the country, I'm not saying this is coming to EPCOW, but these are just
25:44sort of the things we're looking at, is they're taking construction debris and they're setting
25:50up shops where they're pulling the nails out and everything else and reusing the lumber,
25:55reusing the two by fours, the two by eights, whatever, anything that they can repurpose
26:00and reuse.
26:01And then they open up kind of as a used lumber yard, if you would, to sell the materials
26:07back to the public at a deeply discounted price.
26:09At a deeply discounted rate because it was just going into the trash.
26:13And the amount of waste that this is saving from going into the waste systems is tremendous.
26:19And it's saving trees in the forest because you're not cutting down new trees to make
26:24new wood when you can repurpose some of the old wood.
26:26And obviously, not all of it can be used.
26:29I mean, if you're framing out a wall, you need an eight foot stud.
26:33And if it's been cut down already, it's not going to be any good for that, but it could
26:36be used for cross supports or many other ways.
26:38It still can be used.
26:39So these were just things that have been done around the country, different ideas.
26:45We talked about, Mark Hobner had talked about the food scrap program and talking about the,
26:53we're paying roughly $100 a ton for tipping fees and how we could possibly save up to
26:59$15,000 a month by removing the food scraps out of our waste stream and increasing our
27:05food scrap program.
27:06So that's a great idea.
27:07And then we talked about the food scrap program.
27:09So there's different things that they're looking at all the time.
27:12And they come in and we meet and they present them.
27:15And in the meantime, we're just, we're thinking about ideas for EPCAL.
27:20We're thinking about obviously the litigation.
27:23There was a little bit of movement there.
27:25So we want to be ready when the litigation is eventually lifted.
27:29One loss decided, whatever it may be.
27:31And we just want to have a better idea of what we can look to do up there.
27:35And obviously, anybody that comes in, we're going to be looking at that.
27:36And if there's anybody that comes in, we would push towards the town board to vet and
27:40interview and everything else.
27:42So that's where we're at there with our last meeting.
27:45And our next meeting, I believe, isn't until the end of January, like January 29th, I want
27:53to say.
27:54I like the word upcycle.
27:56Yeah, it was interesting to hear the report on it.
27:59You know, I mean, that's not something, when you talk about EPCAL, we're looking about
28:03creating economic, you know, a better system.
28:04And I think that's a great idea.
28:05Because, you know, so many jobs have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs
28:06that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs
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28:11that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs
28:12jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have
28:13jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs
28:14jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs
28:15or two or three could be used for something like that who knows but that's what's going on around
28:20the country so we're just being informed of these things that are happening
28:27okay having see any any other questions
28:31okay um having seen ken testa and shannon clifford here come on up and we'll go back to
28:39matters surrounding the possible change in the showmobile rental fees
28:45so you guys want to do those last ones really quick
28:59look again so i just um i think we had come a couple years ago to
29:08discuss some of these fees of what the show mobile costs so i just kind of updated it
29:14they're really
29:15was no change to any of the surrounding towns or the county they're still
29:19charging the same things as they were back in 2011 I'm sorry 21 and our fee our
29:28cost just went up a small amount based on you know pay increases so my estimate
29:38was an you know an estimate of a general six-hour event is costing the town just
29:43under $1,300 right now we're charging $100 a day 1300 for the cost of the town
29:51yes for a six-hour event that's labor that's labor that's municipal garage
29:58bringing the unit there that covers it all
30:03yeah municipal garage tows it there tows it back and we staff it for safety
30:08reasons because it's a hydraulic door there's a lot of you know safety
30:13concerns and we're not able to get it back and we're not able to get it back
30:13and we're not able to get it back and we're not able to get it back
30:13so we leave somebody on site to make sure it doesn't get vandalized and that
30:17it's operated safely I think we noticed that we kind of waived the fee for
30:24almost everything you know if you feel bad yeah we're only giving it out to
30:30not-for-profit so everybody's there just trying to generally raise money for
30:34whatever organization so if you haven't raising it for some and not for other
30:39waving it for some and not others
30:43we are losing quite a bit you know we just had done some suggestions to keep in
30:48line with other towns in the county if you wanted to consider raising it for
30:56next year Southampton charges for 54 hours $50
31:03through our 150 staffing per hour hmm I just feel like we're missing out on a lot of revenue that could be coming in and out of the town.
31:08I just feel like we're missing out on a lot of revenue that could be coming in and out of the town.
31:13We are but so many of these are not-for-profits and if you were to hit
31:19them it with a $1,300 cost for the showmobile I'm sure they wouldn't use it
31:23that wouldn't be doable for a lot of them I think what we need to do is we
31:27need to sit down and put a fee schedule together for not-for-profits versus
31:31public use or private use. There really isn't any public use it's all not-for-profit.
31:37Yeah we're not sending it out for you know somebody just wants to have it on the street.
31:43Yeah we're not sending it out for you know somebody just wants to have it on the street.
31:43their house or no business we're not it's only not-for-profits that we're
31:47sending in. So they're going up on all the racing events and the town and
31:53downtown. Just anytime we want it it's usually it's one nonprofit competing
31:59against another nonprofit. That's when you know when they got multiple events at
32:02the same day and time. That's that's happened a few times in this past year.
32:05And everybody you know rushes and puts their water in you know soon as possible
32:09for the following year because it's it's a because we don't charge.
32:13You know but we're trying to help the nonprofits give them the ability to
32:18raise some money but anytime we do send it out it basically where what you're
32:23saying is where we're donating the first thirteen hundred dollars to every
32:26nonprofit event that takes place essentially right?
32:29Yeah basically you know we're not coming close to even breaking even.
32:35And a lot of these events are happening on the weekends which is creating overtime or at night.
32:41Thirteen hundred at a loss for the money.
32:43And a loss for the town I think is a low number.
32:47I think it's unfortunate but I think we are going to certainly have to up the rate
32:52without a doubt. And again I know most of them are not for profits but it's also not
32:57fair to shift this burden onto the taxpayers.
33:00Correct.
33:01For each one of these events that comes up. So I think we are definitely going to have to
33:05increase these quite a bit from one hundred dollars per day. That won't affect anything that's
33:11already booked for this year.
33:13But hopefully for 2025 maybe we can put together a fee schedule that we all agree on and get that codified.
33:20Because often you know the not-for-profits could find a sponsor.
33:25You know because I totally agree it's not fair to the rest of the taxpayers to be supplementing this.
33:30But there was another fee schedule I had which was, it's not on here, but how much they charge.
33:38So some towns will rent it out to other people you know other towns that don't have it.
33:43Right?
33:45Yeah.
33:46Have you ever been asked to rent it out to another town?
33:48Not, I think.
33:49The policy is not to leave the town.
33:51Yeah.
33:52There was a time years and years and years ago where it went out. I don't think one of them, was it Southampton maybe didn't have one at some point.
34:00But now you're talking about longer distances and you know where is the garage.
34:05Yeah I think the sheriff's office had asked us to send it to Yapank but I think the town, I think it was the attorney's office.
34:13Had said they, because we're self-insured and to send it out of town could be a problem.
34:19Because then we had to consider wear and tear on it too.
34:21Right.
34:22It does have a lot of, I think that thing's got to be coming up on 25. I remember buying that.
34:27Specking it out. Yeah that was got to be 25 years ago.
34:31So does it have any resale value?
34:33I'm just curious.
34:35I'm sure it does.
34:36It's in pretty good shape.
34:38It is. The guys really take good care of it. Yeah the guys take good care of it. Yeah absolutely.
34:42I know the county rents it out because legislative Kara Capra and myself paid to have the county showmobile come for the Briggs 5k run just because ours was being used for the Mozart question.
34:57Oh mosaic.
34:58Mosaic.
34:59Yeah for East End Arts.
35:00And so the county does rent it out but still there's an expense it at. The county doesn't provide it.
35:06Oh yeah that's on the 6th.
35:07Yeah it's on here.
35:08Yeah on that page.
35:09So their fees are about what?
35:11Yeah.
35:12You know what we're seeing as our expenses being. So it's kind of in line with the county.
35:17But that's the only thing that I think we have to have consideration for is that you know if it's just one town event but when you have two non-profit events having the same day and one gets it free from the town of Riverhead and then the other one is forced to go out and purchase it from Suffolk County.
35:34Well Brookhaven Town has what there's here you know. That's when it gets muddy water because one's saying well that one just asked maybe a few days before.
35:41Yeah.
35:42And why do we got to pay and they don't have to pay. And it's almost like on circumstances like that even if we're going to give it out and there are two requests for the same day they almost both should have to pay half the cost of whatever the second trailer is if that makes sense.
35:57That's what we've been having.
35:58I mean because there are some that just say well we do it on the same day every year, year after year but that still doesn't help any new coming events that also want to do things like Memorial Day weekend is a popular weekend and that's what we.
36:09That's kind of the thing I think we're seeing.
36:10Yeah.
36:11I think that if you're going to adjust the rates you've got to adjust how it applies and to who it applies to where as opposed to just saying no if you say we do have two requests the same day and therefore a second trailer that we can help make arrangements with county or something but then both entities have to split that cost.
36:29It's not fair to say you get it for free and you have to pay full tilt.
36:33Yeah.
36:34And that's run into the Polish fair as well right?
36:36Well it's not the business of supplying show mobiles to everybody either.
36:39Right.
36:40You know it's not our job to have 30 of them in stock and provide everybody with a show mobile so Canadians first come first serve.
36:48My mother used to cook three chickens and put them on the table and if you were late getting to the table and there was nothing but bones left guess what you were late to the game.
36:56But that didn't happen in the past years because other entities called and booked it prior to one and then they were told at a later date.
37:03Yeah like I think the Mosaic Festival already has their event application in for next year so they'll be sending it.
37:09They have it already.
37:10Yeah.
37:11So they're planning way ahead.
37:12Yeah.
37:13Another thing to keep in mind is maybe do some kind of a discount for town sponsored events like you know we have the Mosaic or something that's the Halloween festivities downtown, Santa Claus.
37:25Maybe if it's a town sponsored function you give them a little discount because it is for the residents of the town as opposed to a fundraiser for Kent or wherever else.
37:35Just something to think about.
37:36I agree because I was thinking about that as well.
37:38Yeah.
37:39How we would work that.
37:40You know it's coming out of the bid.
37:41It's silly to have the bid paying in there taxing the people downtown that's kind of going full circle.
37:46Just a thought.
37:47That's a good one.
37:48It's a benefit to the town.
37:49To the town.
37:50Right.
37:51And you know like the Halloween festival or the Christmas that also brings business you know business to the businesses so.
38:01Maybe have a different rate structure.
38:03Yeah.
38:04Just a thought.
38:05All right.
38:06Something to.
38:07Yeah it's good to have the discount.
38:08Yeah it's good to have the discussion about it.
38:10We appreciate you guys coming down.
38:12No problem.
38:13Sorry you had to drive us a long way.
38:15That's okay.
38:16We're sorry we were late.
38:17I don't know how the landing is.
38:19Did you make it there?
38:20We're probably tracking mud in here actually.
38:22Ken.
38:23Excuse me.
38:24Did you make it there?
38:25Howie.
38:26Yes.
38:27[transcription gap]
38:29We're in good shape.
38:30Good.
38:31The neighbors came out and gave us permission to access the property.
38:32Perfect.
38:33Thank you so much.
38:34I think we'll get that resolved.
38:35Thank you.
38:36Thank you.
38:37But there's a lot of things we need to do today.
38:38They're going to help us map.
38:39The tricky part is mapping.
38:40They'll walk it through.
38:41It would take us six months.
38:42They'll walk it through.
38:43Yeah.
38:44I'm a little charged but.
38:45Good.
38:46Okay.
38:47Thank you.
38:48Thank you.
38:49Perfect.
38:50Thank you.
38:51Okay.
38:52That takes everything we have for open session.
38:53We're going to move on to resolutions.
38:54Devin if you would mind coming up and read off the resolutions.
38:55Good morning everyone.
38:56Good morning.
38:57[transcription gap]
39:07Good afternoon.
39:08Oh, afternoon, right.
39:10Preacher of habit.
39:12If we're ready to go?
39:13Yes.
39:15Resolution number one, authorizes town clerk to publish in post notice to bidders for highway department grinding of town yard waste on site at Southside Young's Avenue yard waste facility.
39:27Resolution number two, authorizes the town clerk to publish in post notice to bidders for janitorial and kitchen supplies.
39:33Resolution number three, approve special event chapter 255 application for Andrew's Top Gun Run 2025.
39:44Number four, Water District Capital Project number 82424 budget adoption.
39:51Number five, budget adjustment for settlement with State Farm Insurance Company.
39:58Number six, approve special event chapter 255 application for East End Arts Annual.
40:03Mosaic Festival.
40:05Just talking about it.
40:08Resolution number seven, authorizes finance to establish budget for 2024 community development block grant final contract.
40:18Number eight, ratifies the appointment of two water treatment plant operator 2Bs.
40:27Resolution number nine, extends agreement with PKF O'Connor Davies LLP for audit services for Tanna River.
40:33Resolution number 10, authorizes finance to establish budget for the new Mosaic Festival.
40:33Resolution number 11, authorizes finance to establish budget for the new Mosaic Festival.
40:33Resolution number 12, head clear head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head
41:03217 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled
41:05Penalties for Offenses.
41:10Number 13, ratifies and
41:11accepts the resignation of a crossing guard.
41:14And I'm told
41:15it was just an administrative error, hence
41:17the delay. This person submitted
41:19their letter of resignation on August 10th.
41:22And we're only now getting the
41:23resolution in, so that was
41:24an inadvertent oversight.
41:27We desperately need crossing guards.
41:29Yes, I'm told we have a couple in the pipeline.
41:31Anybody out there that's retired and looks to do
41:33something in the morning or the afternoon,
41:35please come forward.
41:36And we can put a pay increase into the
41:382025 budget to increase
41:41their pay to entice more people to come out
41:43for them.
41:45Resolution number 14, ratifies
41:47the appointment of a temporary part-time office
41:49assistant.
41:54Resolution number 15, ratifies the appointment of a
41:57part-time bilingual clerk.
42:03Resolution 16, extends bid for well and pump service for
42:06Riverhead Water District.
42:09Number 17, ratifies authorization for the supervisor to execute
42:13a stipulation with an employee.
42:18Number 18, authorizes the chief of police to execute an
42:21affiliation agreement with Kuka College.
42:24That's for an externship program where a student at that college
42:29would come down and do an externship with the police department.
42:33It's just a matter of time.
42:33It's usually a student that's in a criminal justice program.
42:35And we take them in and give them some work to do and
42:38ride alongs and stuff like that.
42:42Good.
42:43Resolution number 19, accepts the retirement of a heavy
42:46equipment operator.
42:50Resolution 20, assumes lead agency issues negative
42:53declaration and determines that the application entitled
42:56Elite Towers, Wading River Fire District, situate at
42:591503 North Country Road, Wading River, New York, is upon the
43:03Monroe balancing test, exempt from the zoning and land use
43:07regulations of the town of Riverhead to the extent that the
43:10applicant shall not be required to receive the necessary
43:12variances from the Zoning Board of Appeals, a special permit
43:15from the town board or formal site plan approval from the
43:18planning board.
43:19And we have planner Matt Charters with us.
43:21He can delve into this if you guys have any specific questions
43:24on that.
43:28This is basically what we discussed at the work session.
43:33And then we received further information on it from both sides.
43:37And now this is being put together for a resolution.
43:40So anybody have any thoughts or concerns or comments?
43:45Okay.
43:47Okay.
43:47Resolution 21, ratifies the appointment of an automotive
43:50equipment operator.
43:51Thank you.
43:55Resolution 22, authorizes the Community Development Department
43:59to apply for funding through New York State DJS.
44:03Number 29, authorizes the head head head head head head head
44:04Number 23, authorizes the town clerk to publish and post notice to bidders for 203-213 East Main Street Sewer Design Contract S, Sewers.
44:18Number 24, extends bid for general hardware items.
44:25Number 25, accepts the resignation of a cook.
44:27Number 26, rescinds town board resolution 2024-944.
44:35This is regarding the appointment of Brian Mills.
44:38There were some errors, I guess, in the prior resolution, so we're going to rescind and then simply replace it with the next resolution,
44:47which reappoints Brian Mills to board of assessment review.
44:55Number 28, waives fee for use of showmobiles.
44:57Number 29, authorizes shotgun hunting for deer on town property at Enterprise Park at Calverton, Suffolk County Tax Map No. 600-135-1-7.33 and others.
45:14And 1751 Sound Avenue, Calverton, New York, Suffolk County Tax Map No. 600-60-1-2 from January 5, 2025 to January 31, 2025, sunrise to sunset.
45:27And correct me if I'm wrong, but we shut down the walking trail and the bike trail during shotgun season up at Epcow.
45:36So from January 5 to January 31, I believe.
45:42Yes.
45:43Yep.
45:43The 5th to the 31st, the trail will be closed.
45:46So people know it will be posted up there.
45:52Resolution number 30, establishes time of regular meetings of the town board 2025.
45:57So if you see this resolution, there's a meeting schedule is attached.
46:03And there was some question about the first whereas in this resolution.
46:09It says the first meeting to be held the first Tuesday of January, 2 p.m.
46:13The second held on the 4th Wednesday.
46:15Just if you look at the calendar, that's actually the way the dates fall in January.
46:19So that's actually correct.
46:22So the 4th Wednesday.
46:25Because.
46:25Monday, MLK day is on January 20th.
46:29So that week, the meeting is a Wednesday.
46:31So that reads correctly.
46:32I think we were questioning that earlier.
46:34So that checks out.
46:36So obviously, if there's anything else that we have questions on, we can certainly flush that out.
46:41But we had a couple different sets of eyes look at it.
46:43So hopefully we got it right.
46:45We'll see.
46:47And then the next resolution, 31, establishes time of regular meetings of the Community Development Agency 2025.
46:53Of course, that was always fall in the second.
46:55Meeting of the month during the evening meetings.
47:00Number 32 appoints a code enforcement officer.
47:04Connor's been provisional to this point.
47:09Resolution number 33 authorizes the supervisor to sign agreement with Townscape for tree lighting at Town Square 2024.
47:18Number 34 authorizes supervisor to sign agreement with Chamber of Commerce for Bonfire 2024.
47:24And this.
47:25This year, just so the public knows, everything is going to be on December 7th.
47:29The bonfire, the Lions Parade, and the tree lighting, and Santa, all will be on December 7th.
47:37In prior years, they were done weekends apart.
47:41But everybody got together and decided it was.
47:43And it makes more sense.
47:45Everybody's busy during the holidays.
47:46Now it's just one time you want to bring the kids down and everything is there that day.
47:51And the different groups have collaborated and put this all together.
47:53They've really been working hard.
47:54So it's going to be great.
47:55It's going to be a great day for downtown.
47:56Townscope, bid, Chamber.
47:59And the Lions.
48:00And the Lions.
48:00Yep.
48:01Have all worked together to put this together nicely.
48:04So we thank them and appreciate them.
48:06And hot chocolate.
48:07And hot chocolate.
48:08Yep.
48:09And the last resolution pays the bill.
48:10So the supervisor's consolidating Christmas.
48:12Yes.
48:13I was going to take it away altogether, Ken.
48:15What about the 12 days of Christmas?
48:19There's 11 more days.
48:20Don't worry.
48:20Thank you.
48:21Thank you.
48:25Okay.
48:26That's it on our resolutions.
48:28In a moment we're going to go into executive session to discuss items under personnel,
48:33being matters surrounding the hiring of an employee with Chief Voss.
48:38And under legal we have matters involving an update on litigation between the town of Riverhead
48:43against Scotts Point with Howard and Hurley.
48:45And matters surrounding possible sale of real property, Thomas, Fredenti and Hurley.
48:50Just two quick notes.
48:53First of all, everybody out there,
48:54have a very happy Thanksgiving.
48:56And just a reminder, the town hall is closed Thursday and Friday.
49:02And we'll reopen on Monday, December 2nd.
49:05So everybody, enjoy your turkey or whatever it is you're going to cook.
49:09And have a great holiday.
49:12Enjoy.
49:12Rest up.
49:13Plenty of good football on for all those football fans.
49:15So enjoy and have a great week.
49:18Thank you.

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Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you, John.

Okay. Before we get started with our topics here, I just want to have Greg Bergman come on up, and if he has something he would like to speak to us about and make an announcement. Good morning. Good morning. All right. So this is just really sort of a public service announcement. We want to get the word out there. We want to get the word out there and increase transparency and visibility. The planning board is reviewing a development project out in Calverton. It's called TJOC Calverton. You may see the name Calverton Hamlet Center floating around. It is a two-part application that the board is reviewing. It involves a major subdivision and a site plan seeking to redevelop. It's approximately a 16-acre site in between Malosky's Poultry Farm and J&R's Steakhouse. North side of Middle Country Road, about 600 feet west of Fresh Pond Avenue. The planning board issued a positive declaration on the project requiring the preparation of a draft environmental impact statement. The planning board is in receipt of what is called the draft scope for that project, and that sets the parameters on what the draft environmental impact statement is going to study. Just because the project site is located in proximity to an environmental justice area, we're just trying to sort of engage in enhanced public participation. Ultimately, it's public participation. We're just trying to sort of engage in enhanced public participation. [transcription gap] We're just trying to sort of engage in enhanced public participation that will yield the best project. So the applicable documents, the draft scope, the site plan, subdivision plan, and all relevant documents are available on the town's website. They've been posted in two places since Friday, November 8th. They were posted on the main town of Riverhead website. On the bottom of the page, there's a little tab called Quick Links. You'll see a link there for TJOC Calverton, and those documents are also available on the planning department's webpage. So it's really just a public service. The planning board will be holding a public hearing on that scoping session, on those scoping documents. That meeting is next Thursday, December 5th at 6 PM. So I'm just trying to get the word out there. We want to see good public involvement on this. The purpose of it is, again, to comment on the draft scope. So it's not per se a, we don't want this project. We don't like it. It's to really hone in that scope and determine what's going to be studied in connection with the environmental justice. to review with that project this project is an as of right use correct completely as of right uh no variances no you know no relief being sought completely as of right what is the project for uh so the it's about a 16 acre parcel uh it's going to result they're proposing a major subdivision which will result in seven new single-family residential building lots uh there is a zoning which is called hamlet center zoning which is on the road fronting portion of the property about 500 feet deep that commercial lot is going to be about 200 000 square feet and they're proposing a mixed use development on that property consisting of about 30 000 square feet of ground floor commercial space and 36 one-bedroom apartments on the upper floors no tenants as of yet i really expect development but the hamlet center zoning district does allow a pretty wide range of uses so it'll be a nice little hamlet center development out there you're always good at like informing us towards what the impact is on the school will that be part of the report from public what what what would be your perception of how many kids this puts in the school so i mean that that's something we can look at um you know we've we've had that question come up on other apartment developments um it's it is difficult to speculate i mean we have seen i did have some data when we were reviewing the 203 213 east main street i did foil the school district a couple years ago about the downtown apartment developments um so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so on the website as they come in the availability they get put up so the public has another means of knowing what's going on so hopefully we don't hear I didn't know about this when did this happen that type of thing would get it out to the public right away and then there's you know hopefully that will help matters correct I did share the scope with the Greater Calvitan Civic Association knowing that they would be interested and again members of the planning department are always available for a phone call if you go to the town website our extensions are listed on there our email addresses I welcome anybody to call and ask questions about the process what the next steps are etc what level of involvement they can have in so I would look forward to any of those calls coming in good thank you excellent appreciate it okay our first topic up for open session is police matters surrounding a monthly report July and August with cheap frost October oh yeah that generates every time the same two months

okay as you can see our criminal incidents are 209 so up from 2023 but it's a different reporting system obviously page three and four are the real the nuts and bolts of it like I said where as you can see in the bottom of page four the numbers are kind of consistent across you know the four months now it's just a lot better look for this system and how everything's getting reported obviously one of our hires is shoplifting there's a lot of you know from stores 65 in October that's that's only going to go up with the holiday season coming correct right and the fact that we're going to be doing a lot of work on the

same thing so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so his office or our local town justice it's a requirement that the state put down so yeah you got to get your state legislators yep thanks not he's not allowed the judges to correct the judges don't have the options it's not like four bob four not doubled well it's because of they're in the rut right now so yep next month will be even higher um we did have two non-fatal uh overdoses um two females 35 and 34. eight years of age an arcane years down below yes yep um like i said i think we're just we're clicking along um that's pretty much what i have um obviously black black friday is this coming friday inspector of traffic up on the 58 area um if you don't need to go in that area i probably wouldn't i would suggest not to um i know a lot of the big box stores are not opening on thanksgiving day correct uh is tanger open they're not either that's good okay yeah well they stopped that a lot of them during prover and didn't go back to it so um i kind of like that actually thanksgiving i have to check on it to be honest with you after that a tanger yeah yeah i know it opens at six it's not it's not overnight anymore which is which is a lot better yeah there's also it was posted in the media releases so the public knows there's going to be road construction on west main from forge road to mill uh it's starting very shortly and anticipating into into the spring so you you know it could be subject to closures here and there um but the roads will reopen you know daily so um if i just have a question on the new reporting system it doesn't distinguish between domestic assaults and regular assaults at all that's the way it is yeah the criminal justice system puts it that way this is from straight from you know we report to dcjs and that's you know obviously we would have so when we get a new category it would populate so like we haven't seen every crime yet that um that the system has but obviously we've seen domestic you know we've arrested people for domestic you know assaults and harassments so this is how it shows up

is that on the revenue chart that um there's a line for inter lock device and you had no revenue from from that is that something that is outsourced or is that something that the town would be able to provide to be able to generate no that's that's for if someone gets mandated to have a interlock device and it does get outsourced it does get out yeah the company installs it they have to the person comes in that we hold like a we hold like the check for once it's ordered to get into the car and then it's it the company gets you know installs it we don't we don't we don't charge anybody that's part of the okay the county chief guys one question part of this the where it says simple assault is that what covers um so under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under [transcription gap] under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under under [transcription gap] a better look into it but I'm going to say that's going to fall into simple assault okay I'll get back to you so you want to know where are those crimes again typically domestic violence cases at harassment and strangulation cases under this new rubric where does that fall just because we always talk about your strikes I have to commend the highway department like last Monday I was out and pick up truck out there and the whole truck was loaded with gear and like they're phenomenal about getting out there first thing early Monday morning and collection over the weekend it's a lot of work and there seems to be probably a lot more deer strikes that are taking place that are actually reported to the police and so for our engine and they do a phenomenal job totally keeping our highways clean and safe and that's a tough job to do so I commend them as well as all the work of course the police department's doing thank you chief thank you I just want to say I wanted to say one positive thing here aside from just grilling thank you very much for attending the Guatemala gala the police department was there and it's very nicely attended but all members of the police department we ever had as well thank you okay the second item we have up is code enforcement matters surrounding a monthly report rich downs

morning everybody everybody got the handouts all right code enforcement we opened up 70 new complaint investigations for the month of April. we opened up 70 new complaint investigations for the month of April. so we have headings full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full We have approximately 155 cases still under investigation since January 1st. I'm not too worried about that number because you have to think that we split that between five officers. And those are also cases that could be in court. They're still open. Right. So that process takes a while in and of itself. Right, and still under investigation. So, you know, it averages out to about 30 per officer when you look at it that way. If that number gets up to over 250 or something, then I'm a little concerned. The tickets, summonses, we issued 63 summonses, 27 notice of violations, and sometimes those notice of violations will turn into additional summonses for noncompliance. Those, I bullet pointed some of the infractions. For summonses, we had no rental permits, no building permits, no COs, parking on the front yard area, commercial litter, residential litter, land clearing without permits, importation of materials, weeds, some site plans. Those are those commercial properties that have either altered their site plan or are not keeping up with the site conditions. Unsafe buildings, dangerous hazardous conditions, overcrowding. We had a slew of shopping cart tickets that we issued. We had sent out a bunch of notice of violations to commercial properties who are in compliance with the wheel locking systems on their shopping. We sent out some sign cards. We started issuing some summonses to those businesses that haven't complied with the wheel locking systems. Accessory buildings and structures, setback violations. We had some property maintenance code violations in New York State. And zoning. Moving on to rentals. We inspected approximately 120 residential houses. We inspected approximately 120 residential houses. And 100 apartment units. Fees in rentals. We collected $35,850 for the month of October. And our year 2D revenue in our department for rentals is $311.325 in rental fees. Any questions? Yes. I have one. Richie. On litter coverage. I have a question. [transcription gap] Richie, on litter commercial, is that illegal dumping? Most of that time it's a failure to maintain commercial properties with just litter. Like paper, bottles, cans, things of that nature. I think the fines are higher for the commercial properties than they are for the residential. What's the fine for no building permit on a residential building project? I believe the minimum is $1,000.00. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I believe the minimum fine is $500.00. Excuse me. And that can go up to $1,000.00. And in second offense, of course, it increases from $1,000.00 to $1,500.00. And third offense is $1,500.00 to $2,500.00. Okay. Very good. Any other questions? All right. Okay. Thank you, Rich. Thank you. Thank you. Next up we have Town Clerk Matters Surrounding the Monthly Report with Jim Wooten. How are you? Good. Of course, the one that inundates us the most are of course the FOIL requests that come in daily and get rerouted by us. That's up to $223.00 so far for October. And it's a little higher this month so far. Okay. Other than that, it's pretty self-evident what we do there with the log licenses and the birth certificates. There are now on a good note, Monday, this coming Monday, our Spanish interpreter part-timer will be starting. So and then I guess on the meeting on Tuesday, we'll ratify her appointment. So I'll bring her around and introduce her to everybody. And what schedule will she be working Monday, Wednesday, Friday? I have her five days a week, 11 to 2.30. Okay. I wanted somebody every day. Every day. Because it's… I don't like saying everybody in the camera. Right. So we're trying to…we've arranged our wedding schedules so that they'll be between 11 and 12 in one for her. We've tried to schedule wedding appointments and it's…so we're trying to work around that schedule. So that's going to be a real lifesaver for our department. Also, I am working with Victoria Cerull on the…what we'd like to see as far as fees for next year. Minor things. Animal control, prices, taxi cab. It's all through local law. So it all has to be done through public hearing. So we're creating that now and we should be able… I'll hopefully have that for the next meeting as far as the post to the public hearing on that. And that then instituted by the person here. So Bob's been great working with me on that. And other than that… Any questions? Can we post that somewhere in Spanish? The hours? Yeah, sure. Outside the door, it just says people come and they can arrive. Yep, yep. They don't speak English, they can at least know when to return on the correct hours. I think it's…you're right. We'll do just that. Some know a lot of English. Yeah. A little bit of English. Just enough that we can…a lot of times we'll text back and forth and use…but then again, it's generic. So sometimes…I didn't realize that in the Spanish language there's so many different dialects that sometimes… It's all right. …somebody from Ecuador can't understand what somebody from Guatemala is saying. It's weird. It's just they got different dialects and different words than me. So… Yep. But yeah, we'll definitely post that. That's a good idea. That's a great idea. And that's it. Anybody else? I wish there was more. I think we're good. Anybody else? I wish there was more. More to report. No, that's fine. But we stay nice and steady in there. And you guys really gave me my workout with those 18 publishing posts and all that. So we just got done with that. Aren't you glad it's behind you though? Aren't you glad it's behind you? Well, I tell you, it's…because you remember every…it's got to be posted 18 times and put in the paper 18 times. But it's good though. It's good. It keeps me busy after a time-worn meeting. Yeah. [transcription gap] I'm glad you're happy after a time-worn meeting. There's a lot more coming. A lineup. And it's good. And they did a great job. Yeah. They did. I'm very proud of it. Okay. Thank you, sir. Have a great Thanksgiving. You too, Jim. Thank you. You too, Jim. Next up we have Justice Court Matters to run in the Monthly Report with Counselor Saru. Good afternoon. How are you? Good. So it's very, very busy in the month of October. I'm very busy. 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We had a lot of jail sentences, a couple of trials. So that grand total, that's obviously everything including surcharges. We were up to $40,980 last month, which is, yeah. Anything with an asterisk, as you know, are default judgments. And these are just numbers that we're hoping that when people pay what they're supposed to pay, that is what would have been collected. So pretty straightforward. We only had one parking date because of the holiday, so that's why that's a little bit lower than usual. But everything else, we're trying to crank these out. Because as you know, there's many code enforcement officers, many fire marshals, PD, one of me. So I'm trying to move everything along. As best I can.

So that's pretty much all I have. I don't have anything in particular. But any questions you have that you might want me to report back on on the next one, I'm happy to. Excellent. Keep the numbers coming. These are good. These are good. I would just say at the conclusion of the year, so maybe in January, if we can get a report on all the mandatory surcharges in the proper categories, and then we can kind of, just on our financial administrative window, and then if there's any particular project like a picnic table in the park, as simple as that, knowing if and what additional funds may be available in the appropriate department. Yeah, so this chart that you're all looking at now is the full picture of the court. But every month I send to accounting just the surcharges in an Excel spreadsheet. Excellent. So it'll compile and I have a tab for each month. So hopefully that's helpful. Hopefully by January it'll already be done on my end. So that's perfect. Yeah. Thank you for keeping such good track of everything. No problem. It's just like the little things. It's not an absorbent amount of money, but like I say, picnic table here, there, different placements and so forth, repairs. Yeah. It certainly adds up so long as people are paying them. We should be. So thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? No. Okay. Good to see everyone. Thank you, Victoria.

Okay. Next up we have matters surrounding possible change in showmobile rental fees. And that will be with Kern, Waske, Testa, and Clifford. So they're in route. They got delayed on another meeting. Maybe you want to jump to your last item and then we'll go back to showmobile. Okay. Mine's going to be quick. We're going to skip over and hold off on that for a little bit. Item six is matters surrounding update on CCBT committee. That's with me. We had on November 13th, we had a meeting. Right. With the committee that I have on EPCOW. And we talked basically about environmental regeneration and environmental issues that could possibly be something up at EPCOW. And we looked at other things that are going on around the country, how different recycling programs, Bob. This was a recycling to an upcycle program, which you've talked about before. They have... In other parts of the country, I'm not saying this is coming to EPCOW, but these are just sort of the things we're looking at, is they're taking construction debris and they're setting up shops where they're pulling the nails out and everything else and reusing the lumber, reusing the two by fours, the two by eights, whatever, anything that they can repurpose and reuse. And then they open up kind of as a used lumber yard, if you would, to sell the materials back to the public at a deeply discounted price. At a deeply discounted rate because it was just going into the trash. And the amount of waste that this is saving from going into the waste systems is tremendous. And it's saving trees in the forest because you're not cutting down new trees to make new wood when you can repurpose some of the old wood. And obviously, not all of it can be used. I mean, if you're framing out a wall, you need an eight foot stud. And if it's been cut down already, it's not going to be any good for that, but it could be used for cross supports or many other ways. It still can be used. So these were just things that have been done around the country, different ideas. We talked about, Mark Hobner had talked about the food scrap program and talking about the, we're paying roughly $100 a ton for tipping fees and how we could possibly save up to $15,000 a month by removing the food scraps out of our waste stream and increasing our food scrap program. So that's a great idea. And then we talked about the food scrap program. So there's different things that they're looking at all the time. And they come in and we meet and they present them. And in the meantime, we're just, we're thinking about ideas for EPCAL. We're thinking about obviously the litigation. There was a little bit of movement there. So we want to be ready when the litigation is eventually lifted. One loss decided, whatever it may be. And we just want to have a better idea of what we can look to do up there. And obviously, anybody that comes in, we're going to be looking at that. And if there's anybody that comes in, we would push towards the town board to vet and interview and everything else. So that's where we're at there with our last meeting. And our next meeting, I believe, isn't until the end of January, like January 29th, I want to say. I like the word upcycle. Yeah, it was interesting to hear the report on it. You know, I mean, that's not something, when you talk about EPCAL, we're looking about creating economic, you know, a better system. And I think that's a great idea. Because, you know, so many jobs have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs [transcription gap] that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs that have jobs or two or three could be used for something like that who knows but that's what's going on around the country so we're just being informed of these things that are happening

okay having see any any other questions okay um having seen ken testa and shannon clifford here come on up and we'll go back to matters surrounding the possible change in the showmobile rental fees so you guys want to do those last ones really quick

look again so i just um i think we had come a couple years ago to discuss some of these fees of what the show mobile costs so i just kind of updated it they're really was no change to any of the surrounding towns or the county they're still charging the same things as they were back in 2011 I'm sorry 21 and our fee our cost just went up a small amount based on you know pay increases so my estimate was an you know an estimate of a general six-hour event is costing the town just under $1,300 right now we're charging $100 a day 1300 for the cost of the town yes for a six-hour event that's labor that's labor that's municipal garage bringing the unit there that covers it all yeah municipal garage tows it there tows it back and we staff it for safety reasons because it's a hydraulic door there's a lot of you know safety concerns and we're not able to get it back and we're not able to get it back and we're not able to get it back and we're not able to get it back so we leave somebody on site to make sure it doesn't get vandalized and that it's operated safely I think we noticed that we kind of waived the fee for almost everything you know if you feel bad yeah we're only giving it out to not-for-profit so everybody's there just trying to generally raise money for whatever organization so if you haven't raising it for some and not for other waving it for some and not others we are losing quite a bit you know we just had done some suggestions to keep in line with other towns in the county if you wanted to consider raising it for next year Southampton charges for 54 hours $50 through our 150 staffing per hour hmm I just feel like we're missing out on a lot of revenue that could be coming in and out of the town. I just feel like we're missing out on a lot of revenue that could be coming in and out of the town. We are but so many of these are not-for-profits and if you were to hit them it with a $1,300 cost for the showmobile I'm sure they wouldn't use it that wouldn't be doable for a lot of them I think what we need to do is we need to sit down and put a fee schedule together for not-for-profits versus public use or private use. There really isn't any public use it's all not-for-profit. Yeah we're not sending it out for you know somebody just wants to have it on the street. Yeah we're not sending it out for you know somebody just wants to have it on the street. their house or no business we're not it's only not-for-profits that we're sending in. So they're going up on all the racing events and the town and downtown. Just anytime we want it it's usually it's one nonprofit competing against another nonprofit. That's when you know when they got multiple events at the same day and time. That's that's happened a few times in this past year. And everybody you know rushes and puts their water in you know soon as possible for the following year because it's it's a because we don't charge. You know but we're trying to help the nonprofits give them the ability to raise some money but anytime we do send it out it basically where what you're saying is where we're donating the first thirteen hundred dollars to every nonprofit event that takes place essentially right? Yeah basically you know we're not coming close to even breaking even. And a lot of these events are happening on the weekends which is creating overtime or at night. Thirteen hundred at a loss for the money. And a loss for the town I think is a low number. I think it's unfortunate but I think we are going to certainly have to up the rate without a doubt. And again I know most of them are not for profits but it's also not fair to shift this burden onto the taxpayers. Correct. For each one of these events that comes up. So I think we are definitely going to have to increase these quite a bit from one hundred dollars per day. That won't affect anything that's already booked for this year. But hopefully for 2025 maybe we can put together a fee schedule that we all agree on and get that codified. Because often you know the not-for-profits could find a sponsor. You know because I totally agree it's not fair to the rest of the taxpayers to be supplementing this. But there was another fee schedule I had which was, it's not on here, but how much they charge. So some towns will rent it out to other people you know other towns that don't have it. Right? Yeah. Have you ever been asked to rent it out to another town? Not, I think. The policy is not to leave the town. Yeah. There was a time years and years and years ago where it went out. I don't think one of them, was it Southampton maybe didn't have one at some point. But now you're talking about longer distances and you know where is the garage. Yeah I think the sheriff's office had asked us to send it to Yapank but I think the town, I think it was the attorney's office. Had said they, because we're self-insured and to send it out of town could be a problem. Because then we had to consider wear and tear on it too. Right. It does have a lot of, I think that thing's got to be coming up on 25. I remember buying that. Specking it out. Yeah that was got to be 25 years ago. So does it have any resale value? I'm just curious. I'm sure it does. It's in pretty good shape. It is. The guys really take good care of it. Yeah the guys take good care of it. Yeah absolutely. I know the county rents it out because legislative Kara Capra and myself paid to have the county showmobile come for the Briggs 5k run just because ours was being used for the Mozart question. Oh mosaic. Mosaic. Yeah for East End Arts. And so the county does rent it out but still there's an expense it at. The county doesn't provide it. Oh yeah that's on the 6th. Yeah it's on here. Yeah on that page. So their fees are about what? Yeah. You know what we're seeing as our expenses being. So it's kind of in line with the county. But that's the only thing that I think we have to have consideration for is that you know if it's just one town event but when you have two non-profit events having the same day and one gets it free from the town of Riverhead and then the other one is forced to go out and purchase it from Suffolk County. Well Brookhaven Town has what there's here you know. That's when it gets muddy water because one's saying well that one just asked maybe a few days before. Yeah. And why do we got to pay and they don't have to pay. And it's almost like on circumstances like that even if we're going to give it out and there are two requests for the same day they almost both should have to pay half the cost of whatever the second trailer is if that makes sense. That's what we've been having. I mean because there are some that just say well we do it on the same day every year, year after year but that still doesn't help any new coming events that also want to do things like Memorial Day weekend is a popular weekend and that's what we. That's kind of the thing I think we're seeing. Yeah. I think that if you're going to adjust the rates you've got to adjust how it applies and to who it applies to where as opposed to just saying no if you say we do have two requests the same day and therefore a second trailer that we can help make arrangements with county or something but then both entities have to split that cost. It's not fair to say you get it for free and you have to pay full tilt. Yeah. And that's run into the Polish fair as well right? Well it's not the business of supplying show mobiles to everybody either. Right. You know it's not our job to have 30 of them in stock and provide everybody with a show mobile so Canadians first come first serve. My mother used to cook three chickens and put them on the table and if you were late getting to the table and there was nothing but bones left guess what you were late to the game. But that didn't happen in the past years because other entities called and booked it prior to one and then they were told at a later date. Yeah like I think the Mosaic Festival already has their event application in for next year so they'll be sending it. They have it already. Yeah. So they're planning way ahead. Yeah. Another thing to keep in mind is maybe do some kind of a discount for town sponsored events like you know we have the Mosaic or something that's the Halloween festivities downtown, Santa Claus. Maybe if it's a town sponsored function you give them a little discount because it is for the residents of the town as opposed to a fundraiser for Kent or wherever else. Just something to think about. I agree because I was thinking about that as well. Yeah. How we would work that. You know it's coming out of the bid. It's silly to have the bid paying in there taxing the people downtown that's kind of going full circle. Just a thought. That's a good one. It's a benefit to the town. To the town. Right. And you know like the Halloween festival or the Christmas that also brings business you know business to the businesses so. Maybe have a different rate structure. Yeah. Just a thought. All right. Something to. Yeah it's good to have the discount. Yeah it's good to have the discussion about it. We appreciate you guys coming down. No problem. Sorry you had to drive us a long way. That's okay. We're sorry we were late. I don't know how the landing is. Did you make it there? We're probably tracking mud in here actually. Ken. Excuse me. Did you make it there? Howie. Yes. [transcription gap] We're in good shape. Good. The neighbors came out and gave us permission to access the property. Perfect. Thank you so much. I think we'll get that resolved. Thank you. Thank you. But there's a lot of things we need to do today. They're going to help us map. The tricky part is mapping. They'll walk it through. It would take us six months. They'll walk it through. Yeah. I'm a little charged but. Good. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Okay. That takes everything we have for open session. We're going to move on to resolutions. Devin if you would mind coming up and read off the resolutions. Good morning everyone. Good morning. [transcription gap] Good afternoon. Oh, afternoon, right. Preacher of habit. If we're ready to go? Yes. Resolution number one, authorizes town clerk to publish in post notice to bidders for highway department grinding of town yard waste on site at Southside Young's Avenue yard waste facility. Resolution number two, authorizes the town clerk to publish in post notice to bidders for janitorial and kitchen supplies. Resolution number three, approve special event chapter 255 application for Andrew's Top Gun Run 2025. Number four, Water District Capital Project number 82424 budget adoption. Number five, budget adjustment for settlement with State Farm Insurance Company.

Number six, approve special event chapter 255 application for East End Arts Annual. Mosaic Festival. Just talking about it. Resolution number seven, authorizes finance to establish budget for 2024 community development block grant final contract. Number eight, ratifies the appointment of two water treatment plant operator 2Bs.

Resolution number nine, extends agreement with PKF O'Connor Davies LLP for audit services for Tanna River. Resolution number 10, authorizes finance to establish budget for the new Mosaic Festival. Resolution number 11, authorizes finance to establish budget for the new Mosaic Festival. Resolution number 12, head clear head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head 217 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Penalties for Offenses.

Number 13, ratifies and accepts the resignation of a crossing guard. And I'm told it was just an administrative error, hence the delay. This person submitted their letter of resignation on August 10th. And we're only now getting the resolution in, so that was an inadvertent oversight. We desperately need crossing guards. Yes, I'm told we have a couple in the pipeline. Anybody out there that's retired and looks to do something in the morning or the afternoon, please come forward. And we can put a pay increase into the 2025 budget to increase their pay to entice more people to come out for them. Resolution number 14, ratifies the appointment of a temporary part-time office assistant.

Resolution number 15, ratifies the appointment of a part-time bilingual clerk.

Resolution 16, extends bid for well and pump service for Riverhead Water District. Number 17, ratifies authorization for the supervisor to execute a stipulation with an employee.

Number 18, authorizes the chief of police to execute an affiliation agreement with Kuka College. That's for an externship program where a student at that college would come down and do an externship with the police department. It's just a matter of time. It's usually a student that's in a criminal justice program. And we take them in and give them some work to do and ride alongs and stuff like that. Good. Resolution number 19, accepts the retirement of a heavy equipment operator.

Resolution 20, assumes lead agency issues negative declaration and determines that the application entitled Elite Towers, Wading River Fire District, situate at 1503 North Country Road, Wading River, New York, is upon the Monroe balancing test, exempt from the zoning and land use regulations of the town of Riverhead to the extent that the applicant shall not be required to receive the necessary variances from the Zoning Board of Appeals, a special permit from the town board or formal site plan approval from the planning board. And we have planner Matt Charters with us. He can delve into this if you guys have any specific questions on that.

This is basically what we discussed at the work session. And then we received further information on it from both sides. And now this is being put together for a resolution. So anybody have any thoughts or concerns or comments? Okay. Okay. Resolution 21, ratifies the appointment of an automotive equipment operator. Thank you.

Resolution 22, authorizes the Community Development Department to apply for funding through New York State DJS. Number 29, authorizes the head head head head head head head Number 23, authorizes the town clerk to publish and post notice to bidders for 203-213 East Main Street Sewer Design Contract S, Sewers.

Number 24, extends bid for general hardware items. Number 25, accepts the resignation of a cook. Number 26, rescinds town board resolution 2024-944. This is regarding the appointment of Brian Mills. There were some errors, I guess, in the prior resolution, so we're going to rescind and then simply replace it with the next resolution, which reappoints Brian Mills to board of assessment review. Number 28, waives fee for use of showmobiles. Number 29, authorizes shotgun hunting for deer on town property at Enterprise Park at Calverton, Suffolk County Tax Map No. 600-135-1-7.33 and others. And 1751 Sound Avenue, Calverton, New York, Suffolk County Tax Map No. 600-60-1-2 from January 5, 2025 to January 31, 2025, sunrise to sunset. And correct me if I'm wrong, but we shut down the walking trail and the bike trail during shotgun season up at Epcow. So from January 5 to January 31, I believe. Yes. Yep. The 5th to the 31st, the trail will be closed. So people know it will be posted up there.

Resolution number 30, establishes time of regular meetings of the town board 2025. So if you see this resolution, there's a meeting schedule is attached. And there was some question about the first whereas in this resolution. It says the first meeting to be held the first Tuesday of January, 2 p.m. The second held on the 4th Wednesday. Just if you look at the calendar, that's actually the way the dates fall in January. So that's actually correct. So the 4th Wednesday. Because. Monday, MLK day is on January 20th. So that week, the meeting is a Wednesday. So that reads correctly. I think we were questioning that earlier. So that checks out. So obviously, if there's anything else that we have questions on, we can certainly flush that out. But we had a couple different sets of eyes look at it. So hopefully we got it right. We'll see. And then the next resolution, 31, establishes time of regular meetings of the Community Development Agency 2025. Of course, that was always fall in the second. Meeting of the month during the evening meetings.

Number 32 appoints a code enforcement officer. Connor's been provisional to this point.

Resolution number 33 authorizes the supervisor to sign agreement with Townscape for tree lighting at Town Square 2024. Number 34 authorizes supervisor to sign agreement with Chamber of Commerce for Bonfire 2024. And this. This year, just so the public knows, everything is going to be on December 7th. The bonfire, the Lions Parade, and the tree lighting, and Santa, all will be on December 7th. In prior years, they were done weekends apart. But everybody got together and decided it was. And it makes more sense. Everybody's busy during the holidays. Now it's just one time you want to bring the kids down and everything is there that day. And the different groups have collaborated and put this all together. They've really been working hard. So it's going to be great. It's going to be a great day for downtown. Townscope, bid, Chamber. And the Lions. And the Lions. Yep. Have all worked together to put this together nicely. So we thank them and appreciate them. And hot chocolate. And hot chocolate. Yep. And the last resolution pays the bill. So the supervisor's consolidating Christmas. Yes. I was going to take it away altogether, Ken. What about the 12 days of Christmas? There's 11 more days. Don't worry. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. That's it on our resolutions. In a moment we're going to go into executive session to discuss items under personnel, being matters surrounding the hiring of an employee with Chief Voss. And under legal we have matters involving an update on litigation between the town of Riverhead against Scotts Point with Howard and Hurley. And matters surrounding possible sale of real property, Thomas, Fredenti and Hurley. Just two quick notes. First of all, everybody out there, have a very happy Thanksgiving. And just a reminder, the town hall is closed Thursday and Friday. And we'll reopen on Monday, December 2nd. So everybody, enjoy your turkey or whatever it is you're going to cook. And have a great holiday. Enjoy. Rest up. Plenty of good football on for all those football fans. So enjoy and have a great week. Thank you.

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