January 2, 2025 — Town Board Work Session

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0:00Thank you.
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9:01little very but they think they're quick after being in there they they abandoned
9:07they abandoned the idea that's great all right thank you Ann Marie next matter up on
9:14open session we have or matters surrounding the change to excavation
9:18permit fees and that also will be with Kern and Ken Testa hi Ken happy new year
9:24good morning how are you good all right I think you got the handout yes okay so
9:35have to have extras then we need them but this is basically a revisit of the
9:42town's exploitation fee that we charge for materials that are removed from
9:45sites during development at the request of councilman current I've revisited the
9:51number that we charge was just two dollars a cubic yard
9:54and the way I did that initially we thought maybe we would look at the cost
9:59of materials that are for sale you know in the marketplace today but because the
10:03materials vary so much in what they are could be sand could be topsoil could be
10:08long whatever they were moving from the site so that didn't seem like the
10:12appropriate way to do it so looking for a good justifiable and defensible method
10:18I did two things the first is I went and I looked back at our paving bit for
10:23repaving roads
10:24this
10:25really the fee I think the intent of the fee is to help offset the impact of the
10:28town roads by these tractor-trailers hauling these materials over the roads
10:32so I looked at our annual paving contract and it came up with the average
10:36cost to repay of a road in 2008 of seventy one dollars and eighty three
10:40cents a ton and then I looked at last year's average cost which was 105 that
10:46reflects a forty seven point four percent increase in our cost to repay of
10:51a road to check that that of course
10:54multiplied by two dollars would be an additional dollar come out to three
10:58dollars and then to check that I went on to the Bureau of Labor Statistics website
11:03and they have a really neat little calculator that you can enter in the
11:07year and the region and I did that and I came out likewise with an increase of
11:13299 so it seems like they check each other so the recommendation would be it
11:18may be appropriate at this point to raise the two dollar fee to three dollars
11:22okay
11:22thank you
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11:24for the general public you just
11:25classified this is for exporting like sand to other materials not on town
11:30property this is on private properties throughout the town of riverhead right
11:34where there's subdivision
11:35doing you know build it out of basement removing materials
11:40new shopping center or a new residential subdivision if the grades work out that
11:45they have to take material off the property to make it work the town has a
11:49fee that we charge them and the intent of that fee is to offset what it costs us
11:53to maintain the roads having these giant track the trailers full over the road
11:58of course that's a negative impact on the roads so it seems like a logical way
12:01to look at it would be what does it cost us to pave a road what did it cost when
12:05we establish a $2 free and what does it cost today and that comes out to 47 and
12:10a half percent increase which I $2 would relate to $3 so my recommendation is if
12:16you are going to choose to change the fee $2 seems to be defensible justifiable
12:23three dollars three dollars I'm sorry yes thank you so can't just said I really
12:27appreciate the work that you did on this and the fact that this is from 2008
12:33which is you know to me we need overall fee structure annually that we look at
12:41from every single department so that we don't end up in 2025 looking at fees we
12:48haven't changed in 2008 with that set of curiosity if somebody is digging like
12:54somebody's putting in a built-in pool would they get an excavation fee they
12:59should according to the town code yeah all right so that's being removed from
13:03the property right okay digging a foundation if they dig a foundation and
13:09don't spread the stuff around the property then it gets removed then
13:13there's an excavation fee that's correct yes and it's up to the building
13:17department to
13:18be aware of that and then you try to monitor the number of trucks that leave
13:22the property on big projects in the past I know we've hired Jeff Seaman at the
13:26contractor or the developers expense to count the number of trucks to get the
13:30total yardage just left the property so they also get tickets when they when
13:34they bring the sand or the material to place that they're selling it to not
13:40necessarily because a lot of them will take it back to their own yard and save
13:44it for future projects and stuff so it's a little tough to do it that way does
13:47all right
13:48so we're going to have to do trucks is the right way to do it or by
13:51calculation if somebody's putting in a 20 by 40 pull it's pretty easy to figure
13:55out that volume and what would yeah okay and elevations likewise when we do site
13:59plan reviews we look at what's the current grade what's the proposed grade
14:03to get things to be flat and level and usually we come up with a total amount
14:07of material it's going to be removed from the site so it could be done that
14:10way as well but help me with that so if somebody's putting in a pool and you've
14:16got to count trucks we're gonna have some trucks that are going to be put in a pool and you're going to count trucks we're gonna have some trucks that are going to be put in a pool and you're going to count trucks we're going to have some
14:18somebody from the building department sitting around the house all day
14:20waiting for them to load up the trucks no I think just by I think just by inspection if they go to the site and they see that this hole was
14:27dug and the material wasn't left on the site you know that the rest of its all
14:31pretty much left the way it was when they got there then a simple
14:35calculation could determine how much material you just did a cubic footage
14:38cubic yard that's why we chose that's why we chose cubic yard as a measurement because it's easier to
14:45calculate than it is tons
14:48and people are going to need a permit to put the pool in so we'll know that's
14:52correct yeah getting cool so we'll know who they said cold right and on really
14:55large projects like the like Tenga project and some of the other big ones we
14:59did have a monitor on site because it was hundreds of trucks right so just to
15:04keep things you know up aboard the developer I believe it's in the code
15:07that the developer or the contractor could be charged the fees for the
15:11monitor who I think in the past has been Jeff Seaman to keep track of those
15:14trucks to keep it fair thank you for the work you did on
15:18this yeah thank you doesn't matter what what they're removing out of there
15:24whether this is this is whatever it is yeah that's why you know I know
15:29Councilman Kern and I looked at initially when we step when delts into
15:34this well let's look at the cost of what people are charging for sand today
15:37versus 2008 and made a lot of phone calls to a lot of research but it came
15:42up to realize well it's not always you know screen sand it's sometimes you can
15:46be taking powder sand out of the site when you're doing a lot of work and you're
15:48just so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so
15:49full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so
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16:17them updated so I appreciate that and we have another one coming up now next
16:21matter we have is matters surrounding change to peddling yard sales dog
16:25licenses and taxi fees that'll be current and sir
16:31good morning good morning does anyone need a copy that hasn't printed off I
16:39like they we looked at the now that I've completed my first year
16:47congratulations for Joanne and making your first year done we looked at all
16:53the fees and when I was a councilman I never wanted to just have arbitrary
16:58raise fees because to me it's always like an aditax
17:01actually looking at the things that we're going to propose today these are
17:05needed because we're actually working at a deficit sometimes with some of the
17:08septic absolutely the dog licenses alone we're going up a dollar I mean it's not
17:14it's not gonna break the bank but you know with the work that's involved with
17:20it not only the licensing that we have to buy the licenses but the renewal
17:23license notices and then there's also a second renewal goes out of your rabies
17:28shots doesn't coincide with your license so there's a lot of mail going
17:31out mail is not cheap anymore and then the time involved in so I mean none of
17:36this is a big money grab but it's just to make it so it's not working in a
17:39deficit and I'll have the choreo over some of the fees that so we'll start
17:46with the dog licensing again as as clerk Wooten had mentioned just a couple of
17:51dollars here and there this one hasn't been refreshed since 2011 also these are
17:55fees not fine so we don't we want to encourage people to get these licenses
18:00and not you know get them back and then we'll see what happens but I think it's a good idea to get them back and then we'll see what happens
18:01you know too expensive that we're dealing with it you know in another way
18:04so for the dog licensing as you can see it's going up just a dollar a year for
18:12the you know the spayed and neutered dogs and cats and then 20 it'll go up
18:17five dollars for the unaltered and I believe and correct me if I'm wrong the
18:21thought behind that is just to encourage population control it's cheaper to
18:25license your dog if you know they're fixed
18:31and we went out we went up five dollars for the impound just because cost of
18:38doing that has went up since 2011 that's really it for dog licensing and it has
18:47been 14 years yeah so what's important to me on going through all this
18:53reviewing all this is this that when the fees aren't at the right level all the
19:00taxpayers who are not using these services are paying for these services
19:05right they're supplementing these services and that to me is just unfair so
19:10that's why right and like I said we are you look at the time involved with it and
19:15the mailings and all that's done and if we're working at the deficit so you're
19:19right there's one dollar will sort of make it break even where people who don't
19:24have dogs aren't supplementing the clerk's office because we're running out
19:27of deficit on it and there's a few
19:30other ones like yeah and a part of that goes to ag and markets to help with
19:35animal control as well so yes that three dollars is always going to come out from
19:39each one Jim do you have any idea how many dog licenses you have you know what
19:43I was looking at that I should have got that number I was having them then I got
19:50sidetracked this morning to ask me how many dogs that we do have licensed in
19:54the town I don't know I mean I would definitely let you know because we got
19:58sportsman kennel and we licensed all of their dogs there's two or three hundred
20:02dogs there a year that we license we were licensing all of the North Fork
20:09welfare animal legal but I I stopped that policy I only licensed the dogs
20:13that are adopted in Riverhead for the longest time we were licensing dogs that
20:18got adopted period and I was mailing out renewals to Connecticut Babylon I said
20:23I'm not so I told him I'm not licensing any dog that's not harbored in Riverhead
20:27because I kept
20:28control over them because saying that every single resident of town Riverhead
20:32that has a dog should have a license for it yes it should come to your office
20:36every year to renew it yes and the whole idea of my licensing is only to safeguard
20:41with the rabies vaccinations that's really the whole idea plus it's good
20:45now if the dog is out and there's a tag that trace the number there was a state
20:52monitor on that the state relinquished that all to the towns about five years
20:56ago six years ago where
20:58you know if you're a Brookhaven dog and you run the tag you're not going to find
21:02out unless you go to Brookhaven so there's no more state database anymore they
21:07stopped doing it so it really incumbent upon us to just take care of our own in
21:12our town so I don't know the number but I certainly will get it to you I know it
21:16is probably close to a thousand dogs
21:20Is there a simple way to renew it on a yearly basis?
21:26Is it going to be done online?
21:27Is there a simple way to renew it on a yearly basis? Is it going to be done online?
21:27Is there a simple way to renew it on a yearly basis? Is it going to be done online?
21:28Yeah we send up well you know what we will look at that new capability coming
21:34up with software because that would be a great idea to renew it online
21:38With any of these and I think that's a really good idea we're looking at
21:41looking at anything we can do online
21:43Right because I mean every month first every month we generate the renewals for
21:48that month of the dog and they get mailed out we just mailed out 30 of them this morning
21:52This way they're filling out the application online your staff is not doing it they're just reviewing it it's just a matter of time
21:56they're just reviewing it it's just a matter of time
21:58It's electronic.
21:59You're not filing it anymore.
22:01So anything...
22:01And if there's a way, right,
22:03if there's a way to create even an income stream
22:05through the computer instead of...
22:07There is.
22:08That's all going to be open.
22:10Okay.
22:11What's the definition of farm animals?
22:14Is that horses, cows?
22:15They all have to have a license as well?
22:20All right.
22:21Because it just said dogs and domestic...
22:22Well, that's a part of AgriMarcus.
22:23They mention farm animals, whichever.
22:25Okay.
22:26Cows and goats.
22:28Chickens.
22:30Horses.
22:31Nothing about cows.
22:33Okay.
22:33Good by cows.
22:34I like cows, though.
22:39All right.
22:40Shall we move on to yard sales?
22:43Yes.
22:43Okay.
22:46Again, this hasn't been refreshed since 2002.
22:49So, yeah.
22:51So we went up $5 for the yard sale.
22:56Right now, the yard sale is $5.
22:58We're going to get a $5 permit.
22:58I went to all the other towns to find out what they do.
23:02South Holds, a lot more than I can justify.
23:07There's this 15-hour yard sale permit.
23:10We had 420 yard sale permits this year.
23:15That and Chickens.
23:17And that all runs between April and May.
23:20April and November, I should say.
23:23What you get with the yard sale permit is one,
23:25and you're going to get a posting.
23:28Then you're going to get it on the website.
23:29So it's more than just taking them on an initial permit.
23:33Those permits also go to the code enforcement
23:36so they know who's out and about.
23:38And there are some yard sales that are pretty big.
23:41A lot of times you'll get three or four neighbors come in,
23:43and all of a sudden you've got a block party and parking and all that.
23:47So there's a lot involved with yard sales.
23:50So we went from $5 to $10, which is right in.
23:54We're cheaper than South Holds, and we're right in the line.
23:56So we're going to get a lot of that.
23:57We're going to get a lot of that.
23:57But there's a lot of line with Southampton.
23:58And Keith, I know, I just want to bring this up,
24:02because Southampton hardly has any.
24:05And I know they're not a good part of the metrics here for me.
24:10And I'm glad we're going up $5, because it's 2002.
24:15But look at all the work.
24:17That's what I look at.
24:18And we went through this when I met with Jim.
24:20All the work that your staff is putting,
24:22you know, doing to get a yard sale.
24:24That's a tremendous amount of work.
24:26It is more than just parking.
24:27to review this punching in a couple of you know but again I think this needs
24:31again this needs to go on a fee schedule you know and we need to review these on
24:35an annual basis and start to follow CPI because our employees don't make less
24:40every year however we don't include we have increased our fees since 2002 all
24:45right I think that we need to implement something to have for future board
24:52members down the road to not let this lapse as long as as it has we should
24:57have some kind of fee schedule for everything across the board because
25:00nothing is getting cheaper everything is becoming more I think part of the issue
25:05is a lot some of these are codified so it's always comes to a public hearing
25:09and having to change local law whereas if these could be extrapolated out where
25:14it's not part of the local law is just part of a fee structure that the board
25:19are fairly through that's what we've been doing over time we've been taking
25:23it out of the resolution process and yeah being able to make changes without
25:26going back and forth and so I think that's a good point I think that's a good point
25:27because then you can just base it on you know something let's face it I mean down
25:32the road if if Cal and all that stuff goes we might say well we were charged
25:36too much for that you know I mean in a perfect world you may adjust that right
25:39if it's removed from the town code book then every year you as the town clerk
25:44should just submit for your department what your renewal fees would be for
25:48everything and that really should go to work through all the departments in the
25:51town building department everybody you know in
25:54December should be submitting by December 1st what their fees would be for
25:57the following year that's why just what is the resolution of all town fees good
26:02what is the fine for not having the art cell permit do we know that I I don't
26:08know I don't think I've ever seen one come through court that's a good cause I
26:12know the code was pretty good on it and we always compare the ones that are in
26:17the local paper to see if they got a permit from us so I always because we
26:22put on our website which people I see in their car printed out from our website
26:26but then I'll look at the news review and say who's having a yard sale then I'll go to my computer and see if they got a permit
26:32oh 50 to 500 is the fine schedule for no yard sale right in front of my face
26:40now do we address the number of yard sales that a person can have per year
26:45there's four in the code four they're allowed to have four a year because some
26:49of these are operating businesses every other weekend as a yard sale at the same location
26:54yeah you can only do four and that was that was
26:56the only thing that was allowed to be done in the code so they wanted to do a
27:01weekend in the spring and a weekend in the fall you could do a two-day thing
27:04and also in the change it's per day now before I didn't give a didn't give a
27:09right so people come in and get a permit for a weekend and they get you know they get a $5.00 for a two day
27:15I said no it's per event so it's per day not per event
27:18so if you want to have two weekends that's your four for the year
27:21we should look at that fine you know absolutely okay I can tell you in the in the town of
27:26I cannot say that I cannot say that it's a Westchester County any I can't say that word
27:35anyway they do this on an annual basis they look at all their fees and all their fines they have
27:45a fee schedule and they have a fine schedule and they go through it and they adjust it according to
27:50the CPI it makes it very very easy how do you even know that because I talked to somebody from there
27:56my other concern with yard sales are the removal of signs after they have the yard sale
28:01and they're stapled up to telephone poles which technically is against code
28:07because they have two signs I believe I'm not sure under the sign permit under the yard sale
28:15okay but what about the removal of them because they'll be there weeks and
28:19months afterwards sometimes I would like to be able to somehow address that
28:25and that's through fines
28:26I'll look into it
28:29see if it's in the sign code and if not we can add something right for a fee structure if they're not removed
28:36it should be right on the application for the the rule should be stated right on the application
28:41I agree I agree
28:42failure to remove the signs within X number of days will result in another fine
28:48you know you aren't advertising for people you're posting it it's on a website so they are getting a benefit
28:55there's a problem with the sign code
28:56I think it's a good thing that you're not saying that you're not eligible for a permit
29:00you can't have it with the rest of your band for the rest of the year
29:03whatever
29:05you know there are some that you know I'll see them most of the people they have put yard sale big and their address is like this big
29:12so if you don't stop your car and get out you can't read the address
29:15oh I see big pink signs with big arrows
29:17in the neighborhood there's one that does it and I got to tell you they're very clever with some of the signs
29:23he puts something on the signs like this
29:24I don't know what that means
29:25something on the signs like
29:26threw my wife out getting rid of all her stuff
29:30something on Hubbard Avenue
29:31yes something like that
29:32and another one about my junk can be your treasure please stop buying
29:36you know pretty pretty crafty and intelligent way to get somebody to stop in
29:41we just want the signs taken down afterwards
29:43you buy something and you put it in your own yard sale the following year
29:46yeah
29:47never get used to it it's always the yard sale stuff
29:50is it two licenses if somebody gets married during a yard sale
29:53no it's two licenses
29:54if they have a dog
29:56it's their wedding registry
29:57if the dog brings a ring
29:58if the dog is the best man then yes that's three fines
30:02we had that too don't worry about it
30:04I had a dog they had a dog on a marriage license
30:06one of the witnesses I was not happy
30:10Ann's best friend
30:12oh boy
30:13okay and you got peddling and soliciting also
30:16yeah so we can add that to the event list
30:20alright so this one hasn't been refreshed yet
30:23it's been refreshed since I did see specifically in the fee section
30:28but overall it said 1992
30:30I hope that's not true but if it is we're here now
30:33definitely is true
30:34we're moving forward
30:35yeah it's true that the tax accounting is really bad
30:40so it's going up $25 from 1992
30:44yeah
30:45that yeah I that's what do we do
30:49I'm open to suggestions this is just the version that I was given
30:51are we compared to what we were getting
30:52are we compared to other towns
30:54yeah
30:55how is this compared to the food truck that we just did
30:58we just set up
30:59no I'll look at it
31:00is there somebody like the trucks that pull up and sell furniture out of them
31:04or clothing sometimes you'll see they have racks of clothing
31:09in the back of the truck
31:11and it's also the guy going house to house for the second part of it
31:14yeah
31:15the old fuller brush salesman if you remember back in the day you were too young
31:19do we even allow that anymore
31:20I don't want to do it
31:21so you didn't have to do so
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31:44We need to beat that, like triple that.
31:48I'll compare it to neighboring towns, and then I'll come up with a better figure.
31:54Now, I just know the work that Carol does on this.
31:56I mean, it's a lot, especially with taxi cabs.
32:00That's tremendous work.
32:02You've got code enforcement involved.
32:03You've got the police department involved, the background checks, fingerprinting.
32:07There's so much involved with getting a taxi license.
32:11I don't think that's been touched since 2011 either.
32:14So we'll look at doubling these so long as it's kind of similar to other towns.
32:20Yeah, and if they're triple in other towns, triple it.
32:24Basically, I'll match it.
32:26Do you see what we charge for the peddler's license?
32:29Yeah, my thing is I'd like to be close to that.
32:33I don't want it to be prohibitive.
32:35We don't want it more than any other town, but I want to justify the increase as well.
32:40Keep something in mind, Jim.
32:42I don't want people out there saying, I'm not going to get a permit.
32:44I'll just take my license.
32:44I don't want to take my chances.
32:45Jim, keep something in mind.
32:47Keep something in mind.
32:48When we compare it to other towns, we're making the assumption that they recently did it.
32:54So we don't know when they did it.
32:55Right.
32:55So I think we have to be real mindful of that.
32:58Because they may be in the same situation that we are and just let these things pass for 10 or 20 years.
33:03Well, to be apples to apples, you've got to compare ourselves to second-class towns with around 50,000 people.
33:09I wouldn't compare myself to Iceland town or to Brookhaven town.
33:13I mean, that's just what it is.
33:14No, that's fair.
33:14And again, I'd like to know what the penalty is if they don't have peddler's permit.
33:25We've had a few of these come through Justice Court, actually.
33:28And I believe a lot of it is for the people selling flowers in kind of dangerous intersections.
33:36I believe that one was a $500 fine.
33:41I don't know if that was right in the middle or if that was the maximum.
33:44But I'll look into that as well.
33:46As long as the penalties are more than the cost of getting the permit.
33:49Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.
33:52And now, Carol and I sat with you, so this was some of her suggestions as well.
33:59She handles this.
34:00But certainly, if we are way out of cutting ourselves, then it's worth a look at.
34:08Yeah, and I mean, that's how I did this with every department.
34:12How long is it taking you to process?
34:14Right.
34:15That's got to be cut.
34:18Otherwise, again, other taxpayers are supplementing taxpayers using this service.
34:24Right.
34:24Now, the peddling and soliciting, is that public hearing?
34:26Is that public hearing?
34:29Yeah, because it's...
34:30And there's only three that's public hearing, right?
34:31Right.
34:32The ones that are codified are going to have to be public hearing.
34:35Peddling, dogs, and...
34:37Yards.
34:37And yards.
34:38Yeah.
34:39All the rest is resolution.
34:41And then we'll do it by resolution after we do the public hearing?
34:44Yeah.
34:45Okay, everything's going to be done by resolution.
34:47Too bad we can't pass a resolution to say that from now on, all the fees and fines are going to be by resolution.
34:53Right.
34:53Why do we have to do that?
34:54But they can be taken.
34:55That's what we were talking about before.
34:57Right.
34:58But we have to have the public hearing about that.
35:01Let's do that.
35:02Okay.
35:03This public hearing should be to remove all the fees from town.
35:07All the codified fees from the pledge.
35:09Right.
35:10Right.
35:10Exactly right.
35:11And then next year, you sit before us with just what your suggested fees would be for...
35:14And then you won't even need me.
35:18Yes, we will.
35:19Wait a second.
35:20I can't let that happen.
35:21You're not getting away, Victoria, because we're going to need you to adjust the fines.
35:24I know.
35:25I was just kidding.
35:25Because you're in court.
35:27We need you.
35:28All right.
35:30And I don't want to go off track, but I'm going to circulate this today.
35:33You guys, this is...
35:35I just need three signatures for...
35:37We're going to do a publishing post prior to the meeting for the meeting on the creek.
35:42Yeah.
35:42Okay?
35:43Yep.
35:43The state funding stuff.
35:44Yep.
35:45And I already put that in the paper, but I want to make sure.
35:47Okay.
35:49Okay.
35:49So on the topic of removing the fees from the code and creating a fine schedule, this
35:57has been done for taxicabs, I believe, in 2011.
36:01So this one is a much simpler process.
36:03As long as it is okay with the board, we just put in the resolution for the next board meeting.
36:10So these were suggestions by the clerk's office.
36:14So if you want to look into it and see if we can expand them further, you can let me know.
36:21So it looks like we're generally just adding $50 to each of these.
36:24Okay.
36:25Where is that?
36:30I see my...
36:32We're going to leave the operating permit and the appeal.
36:40Right.
36:41$900.
36:42All right.
36:43But the work really goes into...
36:44The permitting.
36:50The permitting is really...
36:52That's when they come in and they have to bring in an abstract with their license, and
36:56then we take that, and they have to go get their fingerprints.
36:58It has to go to the police department.
36:59Take it to the police department.
37:01I still run a background check on that to see if it's prior.
37:04It's pretty good about that.
37:06The drug testing.
37:07And then it goes from there.
37:09It goes to code enforcement.
37:14So it's not...
37:14I mean, everybody touches a handicap.
37:17I mean, a taxi cab, which is a good thing because for the longest time we didn't.
37:21But now you can rest assured that we know exactly who's driving the taxi cabs at our home,
37:26our residents around, and that there's drug testing involved and all that.
37:30Those reports are accomplished.
37:32So it's a big deal.
37:33Jim, can you tell me, how do we handle Uber drivers in the town?
37:39Code and Riverhead is pretty silent on Uber drivers.
37:43I didn't know that.
37:43But Uber is...
37:44Uber is pretty good about policing their own, I would think.
37:49I don't know.
37:50Huh?
37:50I don't know.
37:51I'm curious whether or not...
37:52Yeah, I don't think anybody can just be an Uber driver.
37:55I think they do inspections.
37:56They have to give abstracts.
37:57And they're pretty good about when people complain.
38:01Removing their privileges.
38:02Removing their privileges.
38:03I'm just curious if the town could ever attach any fees to them for operating in the town.
38:08That's interesting.
38:09Yeah, I don't know.
38:11I can, but I feel like just...
38:13I know the airports are pretty good.
38:14Good about them.
38:15I feel like because they're serving multiple different towns,
38:19I don't know if there would be a way for us to...
38:23Well, I think that'd be interesting.
38:26So it's about the Uber driver.
38:27What's always been upsetting is that they put a big blue light
38:30in the center of their screen that says Uber on it,
38:33and it sometimes is misconstrued as a volunteer firefighter,
38:38first responder, responder scene,
38:40where they drive around with these blue lights in the center of their thing.
38:43It's more useless than advertising.
38:44I'd love to put a stop on that.
38:46Yeah, right, yeah.
38:47But my other question is, and it's not really...
38:50Forgive me, Jim, it's not a town clerk thing, but I'm curious.
38:53Do we ever inspect these particular vehicles outside of just a New York State inspection,
38:58but do we know that they in fact have seat belts in the rear of the car and so forth?
39:02You mean about the taxis?
39:03Yeah, the taxis that go out on the road.
39:05Is the police going through them?
39:06By code, yeah.
39:08Nicole is pretty good about that.
39:09They want to see the vehicle.
39:10She does.
39:11She goes through the vehicle.
39:12Do they have the good pictures of their license?
39:13Probably.
39:14Do they have the license plates?
39:15I don't know.
39:16They have the good registrations, insurance cards.
39:18They've got to make sure they're up to date.
39:20We see them probably pretty good about that.
39:22Excellent.
39:23And then I've seen some in Riverhead that I thought were questionable,
39:29and I looked up their permits and called them and said,
39:32look, I just saw a song about driving that vehicle.
39:34I want to see his license.
39:35Let me tell you, I was just going to go in there.
39:37I'm probably going to get some hate letters on this,
39:38but I will tell you that the taxi drivers in this town are the god-awful worst drivers
39:43I have ever seen.
39:44If you've ever been behind one, and all of a sudden it's,
39:47I don't know whether they don't know where they're going,
39:49or the person in the car says, oh no, turn here.
39:51And all of a sudden the car just veers off.
39:53No turn signal, nothing.
39:54They're awful.
39:55They're absolutely awful drivers.
39:57I wish we could, you know, I wish I was in a police car again
40:00and just followed some of them around because the things you see.
40:03Well, I'm on Main Street and I'll take the permit number,
40:05and then I'll come and look it up, and then I'll call the company
40:07and say, I don't know who's driving this car that day.
40:09Good idea.
40:10I want that one car, their license.
40:11That's just the police in me, but I mean.
40:12It's horrible.
40:13I hate to stereotype everybody like that that drives a taxi,
40:16but man, the ones in town are awful.
40:19They're not in New York City.
40:20I understand why they drive the way they do in New York City.
40:23That's not needed out here.
40:25Not in a town that's 60 square miles.
40:27Mr. Rue, could you check for me about Uber and Lyft?
40:30I don't know whether they do the background checks that the town requires.
40:34And also if there's any way to require them to get some kind of use fee in the town.
40:39Or maybe combining other towns with the county.
40:42That would be interesting to find out.
40:43If they have to get anything from the county.
40:45Sure.
40:46Yeah.
40:47Hmm.
40:48Oh, the other one that.
40:57So this is not the current?
41:01This is what the current fees are, and we're looking to change these things?
41:04These are the, you upped these, right?
41:07These are the upped ones?
41:08This is suggested.
41:09This is current.
41:10That's the upped ones.
41:11Those are the suggested ones.
41:12That's the upped ones.
41:13That's the upped ones.
41:14Sorry.
41:15These is, I just had one copy of the original.
41:16That's what.
41:17But again, it's a mild increase.
41:18$50 increase.
41:19It's mild.
41:20It's a 10% increase, but it's a 15 year old legislation.
41:26I remember when John Dunlavy and everybody we worked on that way back when.
41:31So 2011 I think it was.
41:36Whatever.
41:37Okay.
41:38So I will double check with the proxies and make sure that's in line with what the traffic
41:40with the taxis and make sure that's in line with other towns,
41:42and then we can move forward with the resolution on that.
41:46And then these three will do the public hearing about extracting
41:49and moving forward so that everything's a bit more streamlined,
41:54like the taxis are, in theory.
41:57And then you're going to see something for fireworks, right?
42:00I mean, you'll see a bunch.
42:02Fireworks, it just has to be changed on the application.
42:05It doesn't have to be, if it's not codified,
42:07it's just changed the caption on that.
42:10That is a violence.
42:12That's just the application.
42:17Yeah, that one just changed out the application itself.
42:26That's about it.
42:27And like I said, it's just to tone out working out the deficit.
42:30It's not a money grab.
42:31It's not an extra tax.
42:33It's a user fee, but it's meant just to cover our costs
42:36and what it takes to do it.
42:39Overall.
42:40And that helps all the residents.
42:41So if only a small portion of the user is a certain service,
42:44they help cover the cost of this.
42:46And we run a very tight budget.
42:48We cut a lot of money out of it.
42:50That worked out the way.
42:51So we try to operate within our means, for sure.
42:56Can you check with, you're using Graticus, right?
42:58For who are you using?
43:00Civic Plus, who are you going to use for your new software?
43:03Oh, it's going to be Civic Plus.
43:04Civic Plus?
43:04Yep.
43:05Can you see...
43:06And it's going to be tied into everything else?
43:07Yeah.
43:07Can you check with them on...
43:10All these things that we're working on right now,
43:12whether this can all be done online?
43:15Okay, that might be a separate application
43:17to tell you what we're using, but...
43:20Right.
43:21You know, because then that would be,
43:24that would also help you from now and into the future.
43:27We're going to start meetings with them, I think, in two weeks.
43:30Civic Plus.
43:31Civic Plus.
43:32Well, there's four different components we're getting.
43:34So I think we've got different teams.
43:36That's certainly going to be one of my...
43:38If we're going to do stuff online, that would be...
43:39Yeah.
43:39[transcription gap]
43:40Yeah.
43:40Yeah.
43:40[transcription gap]
43:41you know invite me to that meeting if you can and if I'm not there let me know
43:46what their answer is my biggest thing the biggest thing is for request right
43:50now what do we charge for foil so when we print it yeah we can't charge 25
43:58five cents we do I believe well if you get printed the problem we have a print
44:02it could I print something but we well I I'm just a conduit to get somewhere
44:08I wish it's rare I have to answer a foil myself but sometimes I do but most of
44:13them I know the problem is it's not ever being printed it's just being sent
44:17being sent electronically and we can't charge a fee for that I understand
44:20nothing right there's nothing physically other than that does shooting emails
44:25that's gonna change yes oh my god stay there the state has to work so why don't
44:30you get don't you have a clerk's association or something I do why don't
44:34you guys get you know get the state to change the ruling on that and
44:38there should be there should be some fee to send emails it's not like nobody
44:41sends it that there's a person getting paid to send it good luck with it but
44:49you know it's like fixing bail reform but I would I would put it on their
44:53radar well I got Andy Andy Ray and Jerry
44:56Cavitello from Huntington and Babylon coming out sit and talk we're gonna have
45:03got a lunch but I want them to look at my retention schedules mm-hmm she's all
45:07an expert
45:08I mean there's miles I really want to go through somebody's got it you know
45:12shake the tree a little bit on you know free emails what work I feel sorry for
45:19most of it goes to building and planning I'll be honest with you please handle
45:24their own but the stuff that people want to know that's not you know they're all
45:31comment on that all right well thank you thank you for your time congratulations
45:37on your first year you're welcome thank you for your time thank you for your time
45:37first year yes sir your second year you too thank you both very well thank you
45:45all Victoria University thank you thanks okay next up we have resolutions I'm
45:51going to ask deputy supervisor Higgins to come on up and read our resume we have
45:56quite a few of them today happy new year everybody's ready we'll jump right into
46:02it we have a long list of results today a lot of reorganization all those right most of these are
46:03resos.
46:03[transcription gap]
46:04resos.
46:04resos.
46:04resos.
46:04resos.
46:04[transcription gap]
46:04resos.
46:04[transcription gap]
46:08standard procedure coming into the new year so resolution number one establishes
46:12capital project number one two four two six meeting house Creek restoration
46:18resolution number two establishes capital project number one two four two
46:23five for the town-owned alleyway enhancements this is from downtown
46:28Suffolk County downtown revitalization funds to put some more better lighting
46:33in our alleyways downtown number three appoints bond council number four
46:41appoints a water treatment plant operator operator trainee let's appoint
46:46them let's keep them and not lose them to Suffolk County Water Authority yeah
46:50number five appoints a budget assistant
46:56number six appoints financial advisor
47:02number
47:03seven renews the appointment of legal representation for the Planning Board
47:09number eight renews a stipend for the oversight of the Department of Economic
47:13Development and Planning and the town's planning and building department number
47:20nine reappoints a zoning officer nunc pro tunc number ten reappoints members
47:27to the anti-bias task force
47:33number eleven reappoints member to Recreational Advisory Committee winter
47:40number twelve reappoints member to the town of river head planning board
47:48number 13 reappoints legal representation for the Zoning Board of
47:52appeals number 14 set salaries of police officers for the year 2025 so under head
47:5614. Sets salaries of police officers for the year 2025.
48:0515. Sets salaries of highway department for the year 2025.
48:1316. Sets salaries of elected officials for 2025.
48:1917. Sets salaries of various boards for the year 2025.
48:2618. Sets salaries of sewer scavenger waste district for the year 2025.
48:3619. Sets salaries of street lighting district for the year 2025.
48:4220. Sets salaries of water district employees for the year 2025.
48:4921. Sets salaries of general town employees for the year 2025.
48:54Just to pause for a minute.
48:56This is a very important issue.
48:56This is all in our 2025 budget, right?
49:01Correct.
49:02So there's nothing that...
49:03We're not sitting here today going above and beyond the budget.
49:05This is already just now being formally allocated.
49:09That's correct.
49:11Number 22.
49:13Ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator
49:16to construction equipment operator.
49:21Number 23.
49:22Ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator
49:25to the construction equipment operator.
49:26Number 29.
49:27Number 24, ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator to construction
49:34equipment operator.
49:36Number 25, ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator to construction
49:42equipment operator.
49:45Number 26, ratifies the reclassification of an office assistant to a senior office assistant.
49:53Number 27, ratifies the reclassification of a groundskeeper to maintenance mechanic two.
50:01Number 28, ratifies the reclassification of a groundskeeper to maintenance mechanic two.
50:10Number 29, approves salary adjustment for a legislative secretary.
50:17Number 30, approves a salary increase for a heavy equipment operator.
50:23Number 31, approves salary adjustments for public safety dispatchers.
50:31Number 32, approves salary adjustments for named water district employees.
50:39Number 33, approves salary increase for a water district maintenance crew leader.
50:47Number 34, approves salary increment for a senior cook.
50:54Number 35, approves salary increment for a cook.
51:00Number 36, approves salary increment for a senior citizens program supervisor.
51:08Number 37, approves salary increment for a minibus driver.
51:15Number 38, approve salary increase for a community relations specialist.
51:22Number 39, approve salary increase for a cultural affairs supervisor.
51:31Number 40, approve salary increase for a recreation leader.
51:37Number 41, approve salary increase for a recreation supervisor.
51:41Number 42, approve salary increase for a planner.
51:51Number 43, approve salary increase for a senior planner, charters.
51:59Number 44, approve salary increase for a senior planner, Bergman.
52:08Number 45, approve salary increase for an associate planner.
52:11Number 46, approve salary increase for a grants analyst.
52:23Number 47, approve salary increase for chief building inspector.
52:31Number 48, approve salary increase for a personnel assistant.
52:37Number 49, approve salary increase for a town personnel officer.
52:41Number 50, approve salary increase for a principal office assistant.
52:52Number 51, approves the continuation of a stipend for two IT employees.
53:00Number 52, approves a stipend for a Spanish-speaking justice court clerk.
53:09Number 53, approves a salary increase for a principal officer.
53:11Number 54, approves salary increase for a senior justice court clerk.
53:15Number 54, approves a salary increase for a youth counselor.
53:22Number 55, approves a salary increase for a network and system specialist, too.
53:30Number 56, approves a salary increase for a maintenance mechanic, too.
53:38Number 57, approves a salary increase for a maintenance mechanic, too.
53:40from Maintenance Mechanic 3.
53:45Number 58 approves a salary increase for Deputy Tax Receiver Lisa Richards.
53:52Number 59 approves a salary increase for Chief of Staff.
53:59Number 60 approves salary increase for Deputy Town Attorney Prudente.
54:06Number 61 approves salary increase for Deputy Town Attorney Hurley.
54:10Number 62 approves salary increase for Town Attorney Howard.
54:19Number 63 approves salary increase for Town Engineer Drew Dillingham.
54:26Number 64 ratifies authorization for employee to buy back accrued vacation time.
54:34Number 65 ratifies and accepts the resignation of a Public Safety Dispatcher.
54:40Number 66 sets the fees for the 2025 Recreation Winter Brochure.
54:49Number 67 adopts the 2025 Investment Policy.
54:57Number 68 adopts a local law amending Chapter 103 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Town Officers and Employees, Article 6, Term Limits for Town Justices.
55:10Number 69 ratifies waiver of building department fees for Habitat for Humanity, Nunc Pro Tunc.
55:19Number 70 authorizes supervisor to execute agreement with seed clam administrator.
55:28Number 71 authorizes the Community Development Department to apply for the NYS ADU Plus One Program.
55:37Number 72 authorization to publish a headlet.
55:40wanted advertisement for part-time police officers number 73 authorizes a
55:48release of security for East End disability associates Inc number 74
55:56authorizes the supervisor to execute a 2025 musical works license agreement
56:01with SES AC number 75 authorizes the supervisor to execute a stipulation with
56:09local 1000 AFS CME AFL CIO Riverhead unit of the Suffolk local 852 number 76
56:20authorizes execution of a license agreement with Research Foundation of
56:24State University of New York for installation of fish passage camera at
56:27Grand Reveille Park number 77 authorizes the chief of police to execute an
56:34agreement with County of Suffolk
56:39number 78 authorizes the supervisor to issue a letter to the Suffolk County
56:46Department of Health Services allowing the use of Pine Barrens credits
56:49originated from property located in Riverhead Expressway Plaza 1 LLC and
56:54farmingville associates phase 1 LLC
57:01accepted number 79 acceptance of 2023 audited financial statements number 80
57:09pays the bills number 81 set salaries for 2025 beach personnel for the
57:16Riverhead Recreation Department number 82 negative declaration for an unlisted
57:24action type 1 review under secret for clean water state revolving fund loan to
57:28fund updates to the Riverhead water resource recovery facility to produce
57:32class a biosolids
57:37number 83 set salaries for vacation and recreation for the Riverhead Recreation Department of Health Services under the
57:39area's call in recreation personnel for 2025 number 84 set salaries for 2025
57:47call-in personnel
57:51is the end of the resolution one question is are we addressing school
57:59crossing guards salary increase how do we put that out there for the general
58:07I'm going to have to wait until the next meeting to see if we can get that done.
58:09really like to see you to try to free up some of our police officers from doing
58:12the crossings so can we find out to me is it just in the in the police budget
58:18but how do we get that number to increase them we increase the TCOs and we
58:24increase the part-time police officers so the salary schedule is what we will
58:30be voting on coming up but the salaries have been increased so when they
58:36advertise for the job they can advertise for the rate of the job and the rate of the job.
58:38the rate you know what the job is off the top of my head I don't remember so
58:44I'd like to kind of get a little campaign going pushing for crossing
58:49guards in the town of Riverhead so it's desperately needed yes I agree 100%
58:59agree and the pay was and it's a difficult position because it's in terms
59:07of timing you're there and you're not going to get paid for it.
59:07you're there in the morning and then you're off for a while then you got to
59:11come back for the afternoon run and some of them are a half dayers where they got
59:14to go in and cover like a kindergarten it gets let out for a half day so it's a
59:19difficult schedule it's ideal for somebody who's retired but from what we
59:23used to pay it wasn't worth their while to come out and do it so we've increased
59:27it and hopefully we get some people applying so we don't have to put our
59:32police officers on our TCOs out there because they have other job descriptions
59:36that they're responsible for.
59:37that's right that's what we're looking to do put it out there and they're using
59:42their own cars and gas and fuel and so forth but I always say it's a great position for
59:47somebody that's retired that looks to get out of the house in the morning get
59:50out of the house in the afternoon and I just want to promote it more to free up
59:55some of our police officers.
59:56you can't play golf every day of your life right so when you're retired you got to have something else to do.
1:00:01you got to do nine holes after the four o'clock crossing is completed.
1:00:05good idea.
1:00:06in the summer.
1:00:07okay that completes all of the work session agenda that we have on the open session in a moment I'll ask to close the open session and we're going to go into executive session to speak about a contractual matter matter surrounding terms and conditions for the Rainer group and that will be with attorney Howard so can I have a motion to close today's work session and go into executive session.
1:00:32so moved.
1:00:33second.
1:00:34all in favor?
1:00:36all opposed?
1:00:37okay we will close happy new year everybody and we'll see you next week and we're going to close and go into executive session.
1:01:07thank you.

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Thank you. [transcription gap] little very but they think they're quick after being in there they they abandoned they abandoned the idea that's great all right thank you Ann Marie next matter up on open session we have or matters surrounding the change to excavation permit fees and that also will be with Kern and Ken Testa hi Ken happy new year good morning how are you good all right I think you got the handout yes okay so have to have extras then we need them but this is basically a revisit of the town's exploitation fee that we charge for materials that are removed from sites during development at the request of councilman current I've revisited the number that we charge was just two dollars a cubic yard and the way I did that initially we thought maybe we would look at the cost of materials that are for sale you know in the marketplace today but because the materials vary so much in what they are could be sand could be topsoil could be long whatever they were moving from the site so that didn't seem like the appropriate way to do it so looking for a good justifiable and defensible method I did two things the first is I went and I looked back at our paving bit for repaving roads this ! really the fee I think the intent of the fee is to help offset the impact of the town roads by these tractor-trailers hauling these materials over the roads so I looked at our annual paving contract and it came up with the average cost to repay of a road in 2008 of seventy one dollars and eighty three cents a ton and then I looked at last year's average cost which was 105 that reflects a forty seven point four percent increase in our cost to repay of a road to check that that of course multiplied by two dollars would be an additional dollar come out to three dollars and then to check that I went on to the Bureau of Labor Statistics website and they have a really neat little calculator that you can enter in the year and the region and I did that and I came out likewise with an increase of 299 so it seems like they check each other so the recommendation would be it may be appropriate at this point to raise the two dollar fee to three dollars okay thank you [transcription gap] for the general public you just classified this is for exporting like sand to other materials not on town property this is on private properties throughout the town of riverhead right where there's subdivision doing you know build it out of basement removing materials new shopping center or a new residential subdivision if the grades work out that they have to take material off the property to make it work the town has a fee that we charge them and the intent of that fee is to offset what it costs us to maintain the roads having these giant track the trailers full over the road of course that's a negative impact on the roads so it seems like a logical way to look at it would be what does it cost us to pave a road what did it cost when we establish a $2 free and what does it cost today and that comes out to 47 and a half percent increase which I $2 would relate to $3 so my recommendation is if you are going to choose to change the fee $2 seems to be defensible justifiable three dollars three dollars I'm sorry yes thank you so can't just said I really appreciate the work that you did on this and the fact that this is from 2008 which is you know to me we need overall fee structure annually that we look at from every single department so that we don't end up in 2025 looking at fees we haven't changed in 2008 with that set of curiosity if somebody is digging like somebody's putting in a built-in pool would they get an excavation fee they should according to the town code yeah all right so that's being removed from the property right okay digging a foundation if they dig a foundation and don't spread the stuff around the property then it gets removed then there's an excavation fee that's correct yes and it's up to the building department to be aware of that and then you try to monitor the number of trucks that leave the property on big projects in the past I know we've hired Jeff Seaman at the contractor or the developers expense to count the number of trucks to get the total yardage just left the property so they also get tickets when they when they bring the sand or the material to place that they're selling it to not necessarily because a lot of them will take it back to their own yard and save it for future projects and stuff so it's a little tough to do it that way does all right so we're going to have to do trucks is the right way to do it or by calculation if somebody's putting in a 20 by 40 pull it's pretty easy to figure out that volume and what would yeah okay and elevations likewise when we do site plan reviews we look at what's the current grade what's the proposed grade to get things to be flat and level and usually we come up with a total amount of material it's going to be removed from the site so it could be done that way as well but help me with that so if somebody's putting in a pool and you've got to count trucks we're gonna have some trucks that are going to be put in a pool and you're going to count trucks we're gonna have some trucks that are going to be put in a pool and you're going to count trucks we're going to have some somebody from the building department sitting around the house all day waiting for them to load up the trucks no I think just by I think just by inspection if they go to the site and they see that this hole was dug and the material wasn't left on the site you know that the rest of its all pretty much left the way it was when they got there then a simple calculation could determine how much material you just did a cubic footage cubic yard that's why we chose that's why we chose cubic yard as a measurement because it's easier to calculate than it is tons and people are going to need a permit to put the pool in so we'll know that's correct yeah getting cool so we'll know who they said cold right and on really large projects like the like Tenga project and some of the other big ones we did have a monitor on site because it was hundreds of trucks right so just to keep things you know up aboard the developer I believe it's in the code that the developer or the contractor could be charged the fees for the monitor who I think in the past has been Jeff Seaman to keep track of those trucks to keep it fair thank you for the work you did on this yeah thank you doesn't matter what what they're removing out of there whether this is this is whatever it is yeah that's why you know I know Councilman Kern and I looked at initially when we step when delts into this well let's look at the cost of what people are charging for sand today versus 2008 and made a lot of phone calls to a lot of research but it came up to realize well it's not always you know screen sand it's sometimes you can be taking powder sand out of the site when you're doing a lot of work and you're just so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so full so [transcription gap] them updated so I appreciate that and we have another one coming up now next matter we have is matters surrounding change to peddling yard sales dog licenses and taxi fees that'll be current and sir good morning good morning does anyone need a copy that hasn't printed off I like they we looked at the now that I've completed my first year congratulations for Joanne and making your first year done we looked at all the fees and when I was a councilman I never wanted to just have arbitrary raise fees because to me it's always like an aditax but actually looking at the things that we're going to propose today these are needed because we're actually working at a deficit sometimes with some of the septic absolutely the dog licenses alone we're going up a dollar I mean it's not it's not gonna break the bank but you know with the work that's involved with it not only the licensing that we have to buy the licenses but the renewal license notices and then there's also a second renewal goes out of your rabies shots doesn't coincide with your license so there's a lot of mail going out mail is not cheap anymore and then the time involved in so I mean none of this is a big money grab but it's just to make it so it's not working in a deficit and I'll have the choreo over some of the fees that so we'll start with the dog licensing again as as clerk Wooten had mentioned just a couple of dollars here and there this one hasn't been refreshed since 2011 also these are fees not fine so we don't we want to encourage people to get these licenses and not you know get them back and then we'll see what happens but I think it's a good idea to get them back and then we'll see what happens you know too expensive that we're dealing with it you know in another way so for the dog licensing as you can see it's going up just a dollar a year for the you know the spayed and neutered dogs and cats and then 20 it'll go up five dollars for the unaltered and I believe and correct me if I'm wrong the thought behind that is just to encourage population control it's cheaper to license your dog if you know they're fixed and we went out we went up five dollars for the impound just because cost of doing that has went up since 2011 that's really it for dog licensing and it has been 14 years yeah so what's important to me on going through all this reviewing all this is this that when the fees aren't at the right level all the taxpayers who are not using these services are paying for these services right they're supplementing these services and that to me is just unfair so that's why right and like I said we are you look at the time involved with it and the mailings and all that's done and if we're working at the deficit so you're right there's one dollar will sort of make it break even where people who don't have dogs aren't supplementing the clerk's office because we're running out of deficit on it and there's a few other ones like yeah and a part of that goes to ag and markets to help with animal control as well so yes that three dollars is always going to come out from each one Jim do you have any idea how many dog licenses you have you know what I was looking at that I should have got that number I was having them then I got sidetracked this morning to ask me how many dogs that we do have licensed in the town I don't know I mean I would definitely let you know because we got sportsman kennel and we licensed all of their dogs there's two or three hundred dogs there a year that we license we were licensing all of the North Fork welfare animal legal but I I stopped that policy I only licensed the dogs that are adopted in Riverhead for the longest time we were licensing dogs that got adopted period and I was mailing out renewals to Connecticut Babylon I said I'm not so I told him I'm not licensing any dog that's not harbored in Riverhead because I kept control over them because saying that every single resident of town Riverhead that has a dog should have a license for it yes it should come to your office every year to renew it yes and the whole idea of my licensing is only to safeguard with the rabies vaccinations that's really the whole idea plus it's good now if the dog is out and there's a tag that trace the number there was a state monitor on that the state relinquished that all to the towns about five years ago six years ago where you know if you're a Brookhaven dog and you run the tag you're not going to find out unless you go to Brookhaven so there's no more state database anymore they stopped doing it so it really incumbent upon us to just take care of our own in our town so I don't know the number but I certainly will get it to you I know it is probably close to a thousand dogs Is there a simple way to renew it on a yearly basis? Is it going to be done online? Is there a simple way to renew it on a yearly basis? Is it going to be done online? Is there a simple way to renew it on a yearly basis? Is it going to be done online? Yeah we send up well you know what we will look at that new capability coming up with software because that would be a great idea to renew it online With any of these and I think that's a really good idea we're looking at looking at anything we can do online Right because I mean every month first every month we generate the renewals for that month of the dog and they get mailed out we just mailed out 30 of them this morning This way they're filling out the application online your staff is not doing it they're just reviewing it it's just a matter of time they're just reviewing it it's just a matter of time It's electronic. You're not filing it anymore. So anything... And if there's a way, right, if there's a way to create even an income stream through the computer instead of... There is. That's all going to be open. Okay. What's the definition of farm animals? Is that horses, cows? They all have to have a license as well? No. All right. Because it just said dogs and domestic... Well, that's a part of AgriMarcus. They mention farm animals, whichever. Okay. Cows and goats. Chickens. Horses. Nothing about cows. Okay. Good by cows. I like cows, though.

All right. Shall we move on to yard sales? Yes. Okay. Again, this hasn't been refreshed since 2002. So, yeah. So we went up $5 for the yard sale. Right now, the yard sale is $5. We're going to get a $5 permit. I went to all the other towns to find out what they do. South Holds, a lot more than I can justify. There's this 15-hour yard sale permit. We had 420 yard sale permits this year. That and Chickens. And that all runs between April and May. April and November, I should say. What you get with the yard sale permit is one, and you're going to get a posting. Then you're going to get it on the website. So it's more than just taking them on an initial permit. Those permits also go to the code enforcement so they know who's out and about. And there are some yard sales that are pretty big. A lot of times you'll get three or four neighbors come in, and all of a sudden you've got a block party and parking and all that. So there's a lot involved with yard sales. So we went from $5 to $10, which is right in. We're cheaper than South Holds, and we're right in the line. So we're going to get a lot of that. We're going to get a lot of that. But there's a lot of line with Southampton. And Keith, I know, I just want to bring this up, because Southampton hardly has any. And I know they're not a good part of the metrics here for me. And I'm glad we're going up $5, because it's 2002. But look at all the work. That's what I look at. And we went through this when I met with Jim. All the work that your staff is putting, you know, doing to get a yard sale. That's a tremendous amount of work. It is more than just parking. to review this punching in a couple of you know but again I think this needs again this needs to go on a fee schedule you know and we need to review these on an annual basis and start to follow CPI because our employees don't make less every year however we don't include we have increased our fees since 2002 all right I think that we need to implement something to have for future board members down the road to not let this lapse as long as as it has we should have some kind of fee schedule for everything across the board because nothing is getting cheaper everything is becoming more I think part of the issue is a lot some of these are codified so it's always comes to a public hearing and having to change local law whereas if these could be extrapolated out where it's not part of the local law is just part of a fee structure that the board are fairly through that's what we've been doing over time we've been taking it out of the resolution process and yeah being able to make changes without going back and forth and so I think that's a good point I think that's a good point because then you can just base it on you know something let's face it I mean down the road if if Cal and all that stuff goes we might say well we were charged too much for that you know I mean in a perfect world you may adjust that right if it's removed from the town code book then every year you as the town clerk should just submit for your department what your renewal fees would be for everything and that really should go to work through all the departments in the town building department everybody you know in December should be submitting by December 1st what their fees would be for the following year that's why just what is the resolution of all town fees good what is the fine for not having the art cell permit do we know that I I don't know I don't think I've ever seen one come through court that's a good cause I know the code was pretty good on it and we always compare the ones that are in the local paper to see if they got a permit from us so I always because we put on our website which people I see in their car printed out from our website but then I'll look at the news review and say who's having a yard sale then I'll go to my computer and see if they got a permit oh 50 to 500 is the fine schedule for no yard sale right in front of my face now do we address the number of yard sales that a person can have per year there's four in the code four they're allowed to have four a year because some of these are operating businesses every other weekend as a yard sale at the same location yeah you can only do four and that was that was the only thing that was allowed to be done in the code so they wanted to do a weekend in the spring and a weekend in the fall you could do a two-day thing and also in the change it's per day now before I didn't give a didn't give a right so people come in and get a permit for a weekend and they get you know they get a $5.00 for a two day I said no it's per event so it's per day not per event so if you want to have two weekends that's your four for the year we should look at that fine you know absolutely okay I can tell you in the in the town of I cannot say that I cannot say that it's a Westchester County any I can't say that word anyway they do this on an annual basis they look at all their fees and all their fines they have a fee schedule and they have a fine schedule and they go through it and they adjust it according to the CPI it makes it very very easy how do you even know that because I talked to somebody from there my other concern with yard sales are the removal of signs after they have the yard sale and they're stapled up to telephone poles which technically is against code because they have two signs I believe I'm not sure under the sign permit under the yard sale okay but what about the removal of them because they'll be there weeks and months afterwards sometimes I would like to be able to somehow address that and that's through fines I'll look into it see if it's in the sign code and if not we can add something right for a fee structure if they're not removed it should be right on the application for the the rule should be stated right on the application I agree I agree failure to remove the signs within X number of days will result in another fine you know you aren't advertising for people you're posting it it's on a website so they are getting a benefit there's a problem with the sign code I think it's a good thing that you're not saying that you're not eligible for a permit you can't have it with the rest of your band for the rest of the year whatever you know there are some that you know I'll see them most of the people they have put yard sale big and their address is like this big so if you don't stop your car and get out you can't read the address oh I see big pink signs with big arrows in the neighborhood there's one that does it and I got to tell you they're very clever with some of the signs he puts something on the signs like this I don't know what that means something on the signs like threw my wife out getting rid of all her stuff yes something on Hubbard Avenue yes something like that and another one about my junk can be your treasure please stop buying you know pretty pretty crafty and intelligent way to get somebody to stop in we just want the signs taken down afterwards you buy something and you put it in your own yard sale the following year yeah never get used to it it's always the yard sale stuff is it two licenses if somebody gets married during a yard sale no it's two licenses if they have a dog it's their wedding registry if the dog brings a ring if the dog is the best man then yes that's three fines we had that too don't worry about it I had a dog they had a dog on a marriage license one of the witnesses I was not happy wow Ann's best friend oh boy okay and you got peddling and soliciting also yeah so we can add that to the event list alright so this one hasn't been refreshed yet it's been refreshed since I did see specifically in the fee section but overall it said 1992 I hope that's not true but if it is we're here now definitely is true we're moving forward yeah it's true that the tax accounting is really bad so so it's going up $25 from 1992 yeah that yeah I that's what do we do I'm open to suggestions this is just the version that I was given are we compared to what we were getting are we compared to other towns yeah how is this compared to the food truck that we just did we just set up no I'll look at it is there somebody like the trucks that pull up and sell furniture out of them or clothing sometimes you'll see they have racks of clothing in the back of the truck and it's also the guy going house to house for the second part of it yeah the old fuller brush salesman if you remember back in the day you were too young do we even allow that anymore I don't want to do it so you didn't have to do so [transcription gap] We need to beat that, like triple that. I'll compare it to neighboring towns, and then I'll come up with a better figure. Now, I just know the work that Carol does on this. I mean, it's a lot, especially with taxi cabs. That's tremendous work. You've got code enforcement involved. You've got the police department involved, the background checks, fingerprinting. There's so much involved with getting a taxi license. I don't think that's been touched since 2011 either. So we'll look at doubling these so long as it's kind of similar to other towns. Yeah, and if they're triple in other towns, triple it. Basically, I'll match it. Do you see what we charge for the peddler's license? Yeah, my thing is I'd like to be close to that. I don't want it to be prohibitive. We don't want it more than any other town, but I want to justify the increase as well. Keep something in mind, Jim. I don't want people out there saying, I'm not going to get a permit. I'll just take my license. I don't want to take my chances. Jim, keep something in mind. Keep something in mind. When we compare it to other towns, we're making the assumption that they recently did it. So we don't know when they did it. Right. So I think we have to be real mindful of that. Because they may be in the same situation that we are and just let these things pass for 10 or 20 years. Well, to be apples to apples, you've got to compare ourselves to second-class towns with around 50,000 people. I wouldn't compare myself to Iceland town or to Brookhaven town. I mean, that's just what it is. No, that's fair. And again, I'd like to know what the penalty is if they don't have peddler's permit. We've had a few of these come through Justice Court, actually. And I believe a lot of it is for the people selling flowers in kind of dangerous intersections. I believe that one was a $500 fine. I don't know if that was right in the middle or if that was the maximum. But I'll look into that as well. As long as the penalties are more than the cost of getting the permit. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense. And now, Carol and I sat with you, so this was some of her suggestions as well. She handles this. But certainly, if we are way out of cutting ourselves, then it's worth a look at. Yeah, and I mean, that's how I did this with every department. How long is it taking you to process? Right. That's got to be cut. Otherwise, again, other taxpayers are supplementing taxpayers using this service. Right. Now, the peddling and soliciting, is that public hearing? Is that public hearing? Yeah, because it's... And there's only three that's public hearing, right? Right. The ones that are codified are going to have to be public hearing. Peddling, dogs, and... Yards. And yards. Yeah. All the rest is resolution. And then we'll do it by resolution after we do the public hearing? Yeah. Okay, everything's going to be done by resolution. Too bad we can't pass a resolution to say that from now on, all the fees and fines are going to be by resolution. Right. Why do we have to do that? But they can be taken. That's what we were talking about before. Right. But we have to have the public hearing about that. Let's do that. Okay. This public hearing should be to remove all the fees from town. All the codified fees from the pledge. Right. Right. Exactly right. And then next year, you sit before us with just what your suggested fees would be for... And then you won't even need me. Yes, we will. Wait a second. I can't let that happen. You're not getting away, Victoria, because we're going to need you to adjust the fines. I know. I was just kidding. Because you're in court. We need you. All right. And I don't want to go off track, but I'm going to circulate this today. You guys, this is... I just need three signatures for... We're going to do a publishing post prior to the meeting for the meeting on the creek. Yeah. Okay? Yep. The state funding stuff. Yep. And I already put that in the paper, but I want to make sure. Okay. Okay. So on the topic of removing the fees from the code and creating a fine schedule, this has been done for taxicabs, I believe, in 2011. So this one is a much simpler process. As long as it is okay with the board, we just put in the resolution for the next board meeting. So these were suggestions by the clerk's office. So if you want to look into it and see if we can expand them further, you can let me know. So it looks like we're generally just adding $50 to each of these. Okay. Where is that? I see my... We're going to leave the operating permit and the appeal. Right. $900. All right. But the work really goes into... The permitting. The permitting is really... That's when they come in and they have to bring in an abstract with their license, and then we take that, and they have to go get their fingerprints. It has to go to the police department. Take it to the police department. I still run a background check on that to see if it's prior. It's pretty good about that. The drug testing. And then it goes from there. It goes to code enforcement. So it's not... I mean, everybody touches a handicap. I mean, a taxi cab, which is a good thing because for the longest time we didn't. But now you can rest assured that we know exactly who's driving the taxi cabs at our home, our residents around, and that there's drug testing involved and all that. Those reports are accomplished. So it's a big deal. Jim, can you tell me, how do we handle Uber drivers in the town? Code and Riverhead is pretty silent on Uber drivers. I didn't know that. But Uber is... Uber is pretty good about policing their own, I would think. I don't know. Huh? I don't know. I'm curious whether or not... Yeah, I don't think anybody can just be an Uber driver. I think they do inspections. They have to give abstracts. And they're pretty good about when people complain. Removing their privileges. Removing their privileges. I'm just curious if the town could ever attach any fees to them for operating in the town. That's interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I can, but I feel like just... I know the airports are pretty good. Good about them. I feel like because they're serving multiple different towns, I don't know if there would be a way for us to... Well, I think that'd be interesting. So it's about the Uber driver. What's always been upsetting is that they put a big blue light in the center of their screen that says Uber on it, and it sometimes is misconstrued as a volunteer firefighter, first responder, responder scene, where they drive around with these blue lights in the center of their thing. It's more useless than advertising. I'd love to put a stop on that. Yeah, right, yeah. But my other question is, and it's not really... Forgive me, Jim, it's not a town clerk thing, but I'm curious. Do we ever inspect these particular vehicles outside of just a New York State inspection, but do we know that they in fact have seat belts in the rear of the car and so forth? You mean about the taxis? Yeah, the taxis that go out on the road. Is the police going through them? By code, yeah. Nicole is pretty good about that. They want to see the vehicle. She does. She goes through the vehicle. Do they have the good pictures of their license? Probably. Do they have the license plates? I don't know. They have the good registrations, insurance cards. They've got to make sure they're up to date. We see them probably pretty good about that. Excellent. And then I've seen some in Riverhead that I thought were questionable, and I looked up their permits and called them and said, look, I just saw a song about driving that vehicle. I want to see his license. Let me tell you, I was just going to go in there. I'm probably going to get some hate letters on this, but I will tell you that the taxi drivers in this town are the god-awful worst drivers I have ever seen. If you've ever been behind one, and all of a sudden it's, I don't know whether they don't know where they're going, or the person in the car says, oh no, turn here. And all of a sudden the car just veers off. No turn signal, nothing. They're awful. They're absolutely awful drivers. I wish we could, you know, I wish I was in a police car again and just followed some of them around because the things you see. Well, I'm on Main Street and I'll take the permit number, and then I'll come and look it up, and then I'll call the company and say, I don't know who's driving this car that day. Good idea. I want that one car, their license. That's just the police in me, but I mean. It's horrible. I hate to stereotype everybody like that that drives a taxi, but man, the ones in town are awful. They're not in New York City. I understand why they drive the way they do in New York City. That's not needed out here. No. Not in a town that's 60 square miles. Mr. Rue, could you check for me about Uber and Lyft? I don't know whether they do the background checks that the town requires. And also if there's any way to require them to get some kind of use fee in the town. Or maybe combining other towns with the county. That would be interesting to find out. If they have to get anything from the county. Sure. Yeah. Hmm. Oh, the other one that. So this is not the current? This is what the current fees are, and we're looking to change these things? These are the, you upped these, right? These are the upped ones? This is suggested. This is current. That's the upped ones. Those are the suggested ones. That's the upped ones. That's the upped ones. Sorry. These is, I just had one copy of the original. That's what. But again, it's a mild increase. $50 increase. It's mild. It's a 10% increase, but it's a 15 year old legislation. So. I remember when John Dunlavy and everybody we worked on that way back when. So 2011 I think it was. Whatever. Okay. So I will double check with the proxies and make sure that's in line with what the traffic is. with the taxis and make sure that's in line with other towns, and then we can move forward with the resolution on that. And then these three will do the public hearing about extracting and moving forward so that everything's a bit more streamlined, like the taxis are, in theory. And then you're going to see something for fireworks, right? I mean, you'll see a bunch. Fireworks, it just has to be changed on the application. It doesn't have to be, if it's not codified, it's just changed the caption on that. That is a violence. That's just the application.

Yeah, that one just changed out the application itself.

That's about it. And like I said, it's just to tone out working out the deficit. It's not a money grab. It's not an extra tax. It's a user fee, but it's meant just to cover our costs and what it takes to do it. Overall. And that helps all the residents. So if only a small portion of the user is a certain service, they help cover the cost of this. And we run a very tight budget. We cut a lot of money out of it. That worked out the way. So we try to operate within our means, for sure. Can you check with, you're using Graticus, right? For who are you using? Civic Plus, who are you going to use for your new software? Oh, it's going to be Civic Plus. Civic Plus? Yep. Can you see... And it's going to be tied into everything else? Yeah. Can you check with them on... All these things that we're working on right now, whether this can all be done online? Okay, that might be a separate application to tell you what we're using, but... Right. You know, because then that would be, that would also help you from now and into the future. We're going to start meetings with them, I think, in two weeks. Civic Plus. Civic Plus. Well, there's four different components we're getting. So I think we've got different teams. That's certainly going to be one of my... If we're going to do stuff online, that would be... Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. Yeah. [transcription gap] you know invite me to that meeting if you can and if I'm not there let me know what their answer is my biggest thing the biggest thing is for request right now what do we charge for foil so when we print it yeah we can't charge 25 five cents we do I believe well if you get printed the problem we have a print it could I print something but we well I I'm just a conduit to get somewhere I wish it's rare I have to answer a foil myself but sometimes I do but most of them I know the problem is it's not ever being printed it's just being sent being sent electronically and we can't charge a fee for that I understand nothing right there's nothing physically other than that does shooting emails that's gonna change yes oh my god stay there the state has to work so why don't you get don't you have a clerk's association or something I do why don't you guys get you know get the state to change the ruling on that and there should be there should be some fee to send emails it's not like nobody sends it that there's a person getting paid to send it good luck with it but you know it's like fixing bail reform but I would I would put it on their radar well I got Andy Andy Ray and Jerry Cavitello from Huntington and Babylon coming out sit and talk we're gonna have got a lunch but I want them to look at my retention schedules mm-hmm she's all an expert I mean there's miles I really want to go through somebody's got it you know shake the tree a little bit on you know free emails what work I feel sorry for most of it goes to building and planning I'll be honest with you please handle their own but the stuff that people want to know that's not you know they're all comment on that all right well thank you thank you for your time congratulations on your first year you're welcome thank you for your time thank you for your time first year yes sir your second year you too thank you both very well thank you all Victoria University thank you thanks okay next up we have resolutions I'm going to ask deputy supervisor Higgins to come on up and read our resume we have quite a few of them today happy new year everybody's ready we'll jump right into it we have a long list of results today a lot of reorganization all those right most of these are resos. 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[transcription gap] standard procedure coming into the new year so resolution number one establishes capital project number one two four two six meeting house Creek restoration resolution number two establishes capital project number one two four two five for the town-owned alleyway enhancements this is from downtown Suffolk County downtown revitalization funds to put some more better lighting in our alleyways downtown number three appoints bond council number four appoints a water treatment plant operator operator trainee let's appoint them let's keep them and not lose them to Suffolk County Water Authority yeah number five appoints a budget assistant number six appoints financial advisor number seven renews the appointment of legal representation for the Planning Board number eight renews a stipend for the oversight of the Department of Economic Development and Planning and the town's planning and building department number nine reappoints a zoning officer nunc pro tunc number ten reappoints members to the anti-bias task force number eleven reappoints member to Recreational Advisory Committee winter number twelve reappoints member to the town of river head planning board number 13 reappoints legal representation for the Zoning Board of appeals number 14 set salaries of police officers for the year 2025 so under head 14. Sets salaries of police officers for the year 2025.

15. Sets salaries of highway department for the year 2025.

16. Sets salaries of elected officials for 2025.

17. Sets salaries of various boards for the year 2025. 18. Sets salaries of sewer scavenger waste district for the year 2025.

19. Sets salaries of street lighting district for the year 2025.

20. Sets salaries of water district employees for the year 2025. 21. Sets salaries of general town employees for the year 2025. Just to pause for a minute. This is a very important issue. This is all in our 2025 budget, right? Correct. So there's nothing that... We're not sitting here today going above and beyond the budget. This is already just now being formally allocated. That's correct. Number 22. Ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator to construction equipment operator.

Number 23. Ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator to the construction equipment operator. Number 29. Number 24, ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator to construction equipment operator. Number 25, ratifies the reclassification of a heavy equipment operator to construction equipment operator. Number 26, ratifies the reclassification of an office assistant to a senior office assistant. Number 27, ratifies the reclassification of a groundskeeper to maintenance mechanic two. Number 28, ratifies the reclassification of a groundskeeper to maintenance mechanic two. Number 29, approves salary adjustment for a legislative secretary. Number 30, approves a salary increase for a heavy equipment operator. Number 31, approves salary adjustments for public safety dispatchers. Number 32, approves salary adjustments for named water district employees. Number 33, approves salary increase for a water district maintenance crew leader. Number 34, approves salary increment for a senior cook. Number 35, approves salary increment for a cook. Number 36, approves salary increment for a senior citizens program supervisor. Number 37, approves salary increment for a minibus driver. Number 38, approve salary increase for a community relations specialist.

Number 39, approve salary increase for a cultural affairs supervisor.

Number 40, approve salary increase for a recreation leader. Number 41, approve salary increase for a recreation supervisor. Number 42, approve salary increase for a planner.

Number 43, approve salary increase for a senior planner, charters.

Number 44, approve salary increase for a senior planner, Bergman.

Number 45, approve salary increase for an associate planner. Number 46, approve salary increase for a grants analyst.

Number 47, approve salary increase for chief building inspector.

Number 48, approve salary increase for a personnel assistant.

Number 49, approve salary increase for a town personnel officer. Number 50, approve salary increase for a principal office assistant.

Number 51, approves the continuation of a stipend for two IT employees.

Number 52, approves a stipend for a Spanish-speaking justice court clerk.

Number 53, approves a salary increase for a principal officer. Number 54, approves salary increase for a senior justice court clerk. Number 54, approves a salary increase for a youth counselor. Number 55, approves a salary increase for a network and system specialist, too.

Number 56, approves a salary increase for a maintenance mechanic, too.

Number 57, approves a salary increase for a maintenance mechanic, too. from Maintenance Mechanic 3.

Number 58 approves a salary increase for Deputy Tax Receiver Lisa Richards. Number 59 approves a salary increase for Chief of Staff. Number 60 approves salary increase for Deputy Town Attorney Prudente. Number 61 approves salary increase for Deputy Town Attorney Hurley. Number 62 approves salary increase for Town Attorney Howard. Number 63 approves salary increase for Town Engineer Drew Dillingham.

Number 64 ratifies authorization for employee to buy back accrued vacation time. Number 65 ratifies and accepts the resignation of a Public Safety Dispatcher. Number 66 sets the fees for the 2025 Recreation Winter Brochure. Number 67 adopts the 2025 Investment Policy.

Number 68 adopts a local law amending Chapter 103 of the Riverhead Town Code entitled Town Officers and Employees, Article 6, Term Limits for Town Justices.

Number 69 ratifies waiver of building department fees for Habitat for Humanity, Nunc Pro Tunc.

Number 70 authorizes supervisor to execute agreement with seed clam administrator.

Number 71 authorizes the Community Development Department to apply for the NYS ADU Plus One Program.

Number 72 authorization to publish a headlet. wanted advertisement for part-time police officers number 73 authorizes a release of security for East End disability associates Inc number 74 authorizes the supervisor to execute a 2025 musical works license agreement with SES AC number 75 authorizes the supervisor to execute a stipulation with local 1000 AFS CME AFL CIO Riverhead unit of the Suffolk local 852 number 76 authorizes execution of a license agreement with Research Foundation of State University of New York for installation of fish passage camera at Grand Reveille Park number 77 authorizes the chief of police to execute an agreement with County of Suffolk number 78 authorizes the supervisor to issue a letter to the Suffolk County Department of Health Services allowing the use of Pine Barrens credits originated from property located in Riverhead Expressway Plaza 1 LLC and farmingville associates phase 1 LLC accepted number 79 acceptance of 2023 audited financial statements number 80 pays the bills number 81 set salaries for 2025 beach personnel for the Riverhead Recreation Department number 82 negative declaration for an unlisted action type 1 review under secret for clean water state revolving fund loan to fund updates to the Riverhead water resource recovery facility to produce class a biosolids number 83 set salaries for vacation and recreation for the Riverhead Recreation Department of Health Services under the area's call in recreation personnel for 2025 number 84 set salaries for 2025 call-in personnel is the end of the resolution one question is are we addressing school crossing guards salary increase how do we put that out there for the general I'm going to have to wait until the next meeting to see if we can get that done. really like to see you to try to free up some of our police officers from doing the crossings so can we find out to me is it just in the in the police budget but how do we get that number to increase them we increase the TCOs and we increase the part-time police officers so the salary schedule is what we will be voting on coming up but the salaries have been increased so when they advertise for the job they can advertise for the rate of the job and the rate of the job. the rate you know what the job is off the top of my head I don't remember so I'd like to kind of get a little campaign going pushing for crossing guards in the town of Riverhead so it's desperately needed yes I agree 100% agree and the pay was and it's a difficult position because it's in terms of timing you're there and you're not going to get paid for it. you're there in the morning and then you're off for a while then you got to come back for the afternoon run and some of them are a half dayers where they got to go in and cover like a kindergarten it gets let out for a half day so it's a difficult schedule it's ideal for somebody who's retired but from what we used to pay it wasn't worth their while to come out and do it so we've increased it and hopefully we get some people applying so we don't have to put our police officers on our TCOs out there because they have other job descriptions that they're responsible for. that's right that's what we're looking to do put it out there and they're using their own cars and gas and fuel and so forth but I always say it's a great position for somebody that's retired that looks to get out of the house in the morning get out of the house in the afternoon and I just want to promote it more to free up some of our police officers. you can't play golf every day of your life right so when you're retired you got to have something else to do. you got to do nine holes after the four o'clock crossing is completed. good idea. in the summer. okay that completes all of the work session agenda that we have on the open session in a moment I'll ask to close the open session and we're going to go into executive session to speak about a contractual matter matter surrounding terms and conditions for the Rainer group and that will be with attorney Howard so can I have a motion to close today's work session and go into executive session. so moved. second. all in favor? aye. all opposed? okay we will close happy new year everybody and we'll see you next week and we're going to close and go into executive session.

thank you.