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Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you, Ken. Okay, we're here for our work session. First topic we have this morning will be matters surrounding possible change to Chapter 211, beach and parking lot hours, and beach entertainment. And that will be put on by Councilwoman Waski and Ray Coyne from the Recreation Department. And Ashley. Ken. Good morning. Mark and Sean, you want to come up? I'll give you one of these just kind of so you can see what we're talking about. Hey, the Mayor of Jamesport. How are you? Hello. I thought I was Mayor of Jamesport. I'm Mayor Ratt. I got replaced. You guys are playing pickleball here. With the record. With the record. Oh, yeah. She might have just hit it. Yeah, she did. Hey, Mark. How are you? Good. How are you? Good to see you. Thank you. So I have invited up Sean Egan, who is on the committee for East Creek Marina. And Mark, you're going to have to say your last name because I know I'm going to slaughter it. I have trouble with it, too. I know. I know. Al Haddif. Thank you. Who is the chair from the beach committee. So we're going to be discussing, as the supervisor said, the beach and parking lot hours and possible entertainment at South Jamesport Beach. So, Ray. Want to start with the hours? Okay. What happened was, and I gave everybody a sheet. There should be one online. It was that we had an old code in the book called Chapter 48. And that's referenced in the top here. And for many, many years, Chapter 48A was beaches were open from sunrise to 10 PM. That was repealed several, several years ago. And the new language, because what they were trying to do was to put the all hours and things on the code to the town board via resolution. So, the language was the town board by resolution shall establish the hours and period of time for a public bathing beach. Recreation park, playground, or dog park shall be open. The town reserves the right. Or. The town board shall limit or extend hours for town sponsored and or approved programs and emergencies. So, the code was changed from Chapter 48 to now Chapter 211. Same topic, beaches and recreation. But the language is just a little bit different and it's a little confusing. And I know Chief Frost is here and that's where we started the discussion. So Chapter 211, 21A says the town board by resolution shall establish the hours and period of time public bathing beach, recreation center, park, playground, and dog park shall be open. And then letter B states all parks and recreation centers shall be open between the hours of sunrise and sunset. Unless the town sanctioned programs in progress. So in our department, we were always still going by the 10 o'clock. But I know that caused confusion with the police and the courts. So I brought it to the supervisors attention. And now we're bringing it back. So. Now we're bringing it to the board's attention that we just want to just make it clear so everybody's on the same page. And I know Chief Frost if you're. Well, it was brought up to us by people who reside by the North Shore beaches that they went to the code and they saw the sunset. It normally always was the 10 o'clock, 10 p.m. So that we just want clarity on where we're going moving forward basically. Because. Obviously the residents are going to come in and they're going to say, well, it says it closes at sunset. It says the facility closes, but not specifically the parking lot. So that's what I think the issue was. And the jump on top of that, what we do in the recreation department is we issue fishing permits to fishermen with the proper license at 10 o'clock. So the fishermen are allowed to come in the parking lot at 10 o'clock. So everything kind of fell in order. But then just like you said. It's a lot of work. It's just the interpretation of the language that is, I guess, confusing everybody. Well, also for writing summons, it's a lot easier to know a time rather than sunrise or sunset. Yeah. Because that changes all the time. Every day. People could argue and say, oh, the sun was still up. But it was, you know. So to alleviate that, I think we're better off going to a time period. Yeah. Okay. So I mean, my recommendation just because we started to take some signs down and then we said, let's stop. Because we brought it to the beach committee. And Mark, why don't you? Yeah. Well, the beach committee was absolutely unanimous in thinking the sunrise to sunset thing is a terrible idea. For one thing, it would literally establish a time of nobody being allowed in the parking lot between sunset and 10, which is just an absurdity. And the next thing is the North Shore beaches, they really are sunset beaches. So people stay for sunset. The vast majority of people almost stay an hour after sunset, you know, saying goodbye. So you know, it was going to be a nightmare. My family. Yeah. My family goes away. They're already. No. To the beach. So. I mean, if there was no parking with like until three. I don't think you get any complaints. It's really after. And everybody comes at three o'clock. So. So the way I see it. And unless I'm wrong. I. I can put in a resolution stating the fact. One. The operational hours of the beach for the lifeguards. From 11 to six. Which we do every year. Right. But then. I. [transcription gap] if not tomorrow in the next town board meeting signs me correct we have no signs out we definitely replace some of them that we took down but we want to make sure all the we're putting up all the signs down everything's uniform so we wanted to get permission from the town code to do that first we don't want to set it for like 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. for the parking lot rather than using sunrise I agree that would be up to you I think it's a more cut and dry okay and on this on the standard hours says all parks and recreation centers what's a recreation center because that says you'll be open from sunrise to sunset yeah I don't know if it actually meant like the building like we were open that's a little confusing the way it's worded I agree you know unless you define what a recreation center is to me we have GYCC and that's it and that's that we have town sanctioned programs after that but yeah I agree with you that that is it's a it's up for interpretation so maybe I'll talk to the town attorney to see how we can make the word that will be better too with the resolution okay how we doing that just kind of up to police discretion but I can tell you I actually enjoyed it was last summer like 2 30 in the morning we had over a hundred people waiting for a beach for the Northern Lights and I know that was like throughout you know all the North Shore this was incredible thing I mean the beaches were full at 2 30 morning everybody using their cameras taking pictures I know also you do get every middle August you get the the call of the media showers and everything up there and people you know like to sit on the beach and watch the media showers it's not like so how do we use our judgment on things like that as well I think you can say you can't can't go to the beach to watch the media shower right night in August if I can make a suggestion the language that says the town board has the right to set the hours makes sense to me and it also includes in the original version the right to extend the hours for a sponsored or approved program so I think you know that gives the town board massive discretion we know what those meteor showers come away as a star watcher so I always remind it so they're predictable so I mean I think that that would give you the discretion to let the police force know oh this is it's okay tonight they have to close because what happens is the youth of the area use the parking lots then go on to the beach and have you know unsanctioned parties and that gives us a tool to get them out of that most of the times so that's been historically what it is but the northern lights are maybe not the media showers that there's a lot of media showers but the northern lights are such a rare thing maybe it that's enough so is that simply done can that be done by the supervisor and a press release or something like that well it can be done by you by the board of district so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so 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going out there for in the morning to get to where they want to be okay can we move on to the next part are we good with hours thank you thank you thank you chief so entertainment at South James Port Beach I am a resident of James Port I live a stone's throw from South James Port Beach and over the years I have heard people always say why can't we have some type of music a little entertainment down at at the beach we do have the marina there the East Creek marina I am NOT talking about a boat ramp permit I'm not talking about a boat ramp permit I'm not talking about a head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head 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and it was extremely successful and received very well by the participants that were down at the beach and they are coming back again this year and it would just be nice to be able to to have something for the residents to go you will have to have a beach permit to go it's for Riverhead residents I know there's a concern about the bathrooms there are bathrooms there for the the general public that they would be able to use that we're going to have to seal that up a little bit because we don't want people using the bathrooms on the marina side that's specific specifically for the marina and their their guests but I do have again Shawn Egan here from East Creek marina and mark from beaches so mark I know that we have discussed this during our meetings we discussed it at both the March and April meeting it was completely approved and it was actually documented in the minutes everybody loved the idea for for South James Port there was like a little concern that we don't want Woodstock to be able to use the bathroom and it was a little concern that we don't want Woodstock to be able to use the bathroom but certainly sorry you know so it's within reason and those hours sound great I and I just reached out again to the representatives of South James Port on the Beach Committee and got a big thumbs up so I think there's no problem from the Beach point of view Beach Committee point of view I have one question why are you limiting it to six times I mean it sounds like if it works well we want to see if it works we want to unveil it and see how it goes see how the residents react to it you know I don't want to throw it all out there there there's another factor to this that we had but I was thinking about and just want to see how it is received by everyone else to lift the ban on restriction on alcohol during the time that the music is playing, where people are able to have a glass of wine, a glass of wine, you know, if they're enjoying themselves, enjoying the music, because alcohol is prohibited as of now under our code down at the beach. So I think that it would be nice. It's very expensive for people to go out and enjoy the outdoors, to go to a vineyard or a brewery or, you know, we have a jewel right here in Riverhead and I think that we're missing a great opportunity for the residents to be able to enjoy more of what we have here to offer. So, I mean, even people that are at the marina, if, you know, you're on your boat, you're having glass wine, you want to come listen to the music, at least you can bring it with you to watch the music. So I don't know how you feel the marina might feel about that. I don't know. I don't think anybody would be opposed to so much of the alcohol portion. First off, I just think it's fair to say that every other town does an event like this. So if you look at Greenport, they do the Maritime. Cub Squawk Beach does it. Wichita does it. Wichita's done it for years. I just think if it's done, like you said, in the pilot program, nobody's going to object to it or there may be some objections, but I don't think there's going to be an overly highly concerned about it. I think if it's a small venue with a small band, like I said, it's not going to be a big event. It's not a big band. I don't think the local residents complain. They'll welcome it. It's a place to go. There's so many places that boaters and other community people like to go to the beaches. And like you said, whether you're in Wading River to watch the Northern Lights or you want to come to Jamesport and watch the sunset, we don't have anything. There's no entertainment at the beach. And I think it's we as a town have underutilized our beaches in that aspect for years. So I think that as long as we can control the parking, we can control the all sail, where the music is going. I don't see it as being detrimental. And to start a pilot program, I would be behind it. And the people that I've spoken to, they're not opposed to it. Their only concern was, like I told you earlier, was some people at the bathrooms for the East Creek and how they're going to use it, visit the time frames, how they're going to get in on the bathrooms. That was probably the biggest concern in the parking. I'd like to just add, I'm personally not against the alcohol idea, but it is worth saying that we did not destroy the beach. We discussed that at the beach. No, we did not. Yeah, so that's, so I can't. Right, that's why I just, I retracted that and said that. Bye. Again, I'm not opposed to it, but I don't, I can't speak to the beach. So I have a question. Have you guys at all explored, like, if there was a crab crack or a lobster bake, you know, during those hours as well? Like that kind of thing? I think pilot programs. Pilot. Yeah, it's probably the operative program. So I don't know if you've ever been to, Meshuggah does like a Tuesday night or Wednesday night lobster night. They have all different, although they have food there. And I think I've talked to the vendor that is currently on the lease and he expressed trying to do that. Bring like a lobster roll. He's known for a lobster roll. So he wanted to bring his lobster roll to the venue and be able to sell that while you're sitting there listening to music. So I think when you bring in the food part and the alcohol thing, so it's not just you're sitting there listening. These people go in there as a destination to have like a light meal on a summer evening and have a beverage or two when they go home. I think that's a great point. I think that's a great idea. I mean, I, you know, personally, but you, the beach committee hasn't discussed lobster rolls? No. Well, there's already a food vendor there, which the beach committee is very in favor of. So it's already, that's what, yeah. The vendor's already established and he's already on the contract. He's not looking. I think what he's looking at is trying to expand a little bit, bring music and bring, bring more customers there and be able to provide entertainment for people. I think it's great. And to make that business viable, I have a feeling this music will help it. So, or, you know, I think that's a great idea. Yeah. I think that's a great idea. I think that's a great idea. Yeah. I think that's a great idea. Yeah.

But there's a lot of things that we've done to help them. So it's a good thing to say, okay, people seem to like the, on that beach, they like the having the vendor. Now the vendor has a more chance to make a couple of bucks. So. I just want to say one thing. And I, I mentioned this to the council of one of the WASC. We tried this in 2019. We're in 2020. We went down there. We had a whole plan. And the civic, it was a hot button with the South James West civic association. I went to meet them and they beat me up until I ran out of there. But I think it's just the perception and I think that's what we have to put down. We're all for it. The perception was that kids are going to be down there drinking alcohol and they're going to be driving drunk and things like that. And our thing was an acoustic with wine but it was just a hot button issue. So I just want to make the town board aware of that. I think it's a great idea and the beach is needed. It's beautiful at sunset but that did become an issue back then. Well this is a little bit different because I believe that the suggestion was that there would be music every single weekend and the fear was that it was going to turn into machete. Which machete is wonderful if that's what you're into over on the South Fork. This is not a machete thing. This is extremely laid back. Oh I agree. I agree 100%. I just wanted to just... They will come at you. I'm sure you're still looking forward to that. Well if you characterize it as a... Sorry. The machete, the house is a farther away from... Like James put it, everything is tighter. So you couldn't have a big band like you have at machete or anything. No and the speakers are going in the right direction too. You know aim them towards the house and it's just going to be light acoustical music. And being a pilot program I think it's worth giving it a try. Doesn't work? It doesn't work. It doesn't work. We can stop it at any time. But I think it's a great idea. I think it's a great idea. A lot of people do go to the beaches in the evening and we should offer something for the evening folks that go down there. You're always hungry when you get off the boat. I know that. Right? I would just say for the bathroom issue and all that, we host the movie on the beach at South James for every summer. So that hasn't been an issue and the parking and all that. That's a bigger event probably than just music occasionally at night. So I don't think that would be an issue. And I'd say as far as alcohol, I don't know if I would go with bring your own because then that's where there's no limit on anything. But perhaps, and I don't know the rules on this, but to get a local vendor. We have so many breweries and wineries. If someone, they do it all on a live on 25, have their tent of maybe that's the vendor that's there for the night. Get local companies and then you're kind of restricted on okay maybe you got two tickets and you can get two beers or whatever you want to do. Okay. But just a thought. Thank you. I will actually speak with the town attorney about it. I just kind of wanted to bring it for discussion to the board and just see what the feel was in the room for it and take it from there. I'm going to do a speech thing. No. IMP is another great location for it. Yeah. You're right. Absolutely right. Nothing like the sunset here at the beach. Because IMP has a lot less residents around it. Yeah. So IMP is a great location for it. Yeah. But it doesn't have a food vendor yet. But yeah. They had one. Yeah. But it's such a small space it's hard to make it viable. So small. Yeah. IMP is a good place for a music. We did discuss the wine at IMP. We did? Yeah. Bad minute taking. I need a new secretary. I'm the secretary as well apparently. By default. Well I thank you very much for your time. Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you so much. [transcription gap] Good morning. Good morning, Liz. How are you? I'm great. Good. So, I don't know if you have this in front of you. It was an attachment, but it was very small, and if you wanted better copies, I do have them. Okay. Okay? Yeah. There's really . Yeah, Liz. I know. I was looking at you. Don't worry. I got you guys. Thank you. Sweet. Oh, sorry. Oh, you all right? Okay. So, this is pretty straightforward. Governor Hochul has this new unplug and play initiative, so as a result, there are parks and rec grants. So, there's a municipal parks and recreation grant that we are eligible for through the state, and we could be awarded up to $1 million, and there's a 10% match ask. So, we do have a 10% match ask. So, we do have that money that we'll be able to put toward it through allocating . So, I'm just asking if this is okay with you. We'd like to put it toward the adaptive playground downtown. That's a big yes from me. Yeah. Yeah. It's very simple. I just wanted to make sure you guys were okay with us gearing the grant towards the adaptive playground. And just to reassure you that the match money is available. I appreciate that. So, I'm going to go ahead and ask. Okay. So, we're going to go ahead and ask. So, we're going to go ahead and ask. Okay. So, we're going to go ahead and ask. Okay. So, we're going to go ahead and ask. Okay. So, we're going to go ahead and ask. Okay. So, we're going to go head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I started working there. The closet, yeah. It's where my career, the town, originated. We have millions of dollars going to the town square, and we have a big town. And I would also like to hear from the Rec Department what they need in other parks. I did speak to the Rec Department initially, and we had looked to replace or install lights at Veterans Park, but what happened was we wound up getting a quote from Ken, and it wasn't matchable. This is available and matchable and applicable to this application right now, and we could be awarded anywhere up to $1 million. So we're not exactly sure what we would even get. So it would be a really good supplemental way to, I don't know, ensure that the playground's good to go. I do understand what you're saying completely, but the May 2nd deadline puts us in a smidge of a crunch. So the application is three-quarters of the way done. I had started with the lights that didn't pan out. We spoke about potential other projects. How about Bayberry needing a paving? I mean, there's so many parks that need help, and we have millions of dollars going downtown. And I'm for looking at the aggregate of the parks and what they need. And, you know, I think that's what's in dire need. And we've met with Ray over the past three years, and the people of Wading River have wanted, like, handicap-accessible, you know, park equipment, swings and things over there, and they've never come to fruition. There are things even in Wading River Beach that need to be restored, repaired to make things more handicap-accessible. Okay. And so from there, and we've just, it's never removed on that, and we've been asking for a couple years. So for something like this, I would love for you to try to include things on the west side of the park. I would love to include things on the west side of town as well. Something for Bayberry Park, Police Officers Memorial Park. I was there for Earth Day, and Troop 94 did an awesome job cleaning the whole park. They went around and collected all the litter and everything. They did a great job. It was a great event. Thank you to Troop 94. But just pulling in there, the parking lot is atrocious. It is so badly done. And, like, just year after year, we just go. So would that be something that could qualify to restore the parking lot there? Potentially. Potentially. The only thing that concerns me is the timeframe, because this type of application, it's a consolidated funding application. It requires, you know, letters of support from governments. It requires letters of support from the community. And while I'm sure that we would be able to get all of those things, it's just a matter of time for where we would have to draw from them. Well, I know that Troop did the cost analysis for the replacement of the parking lot. I'll write you a letter today if you want something like that. It's something I'd have to speak to Don about. I can't make that type of decision. I was just sent down to present that this is a plug and play because we had initially been going in one direction. And there was typically the CFA is due, like, in July. So you'd have more time. But for some reason, this grant was announced at the end of March. I found it, brought it to Don, and it has a quicker turnover. So we had tried for that initial project, and it didn't pan out. So I had to switch gears mid-grant. So this seemed like the most accessible place to kind of put the money because of the application process. My only concern, I mean, I understand the timing. I really do. And I appreciate that you went for the lights. My concern is that then you started the process for downtown. And this, I wish that we could have been approached a little bit earlier. You know, and I know you're aware of the conditions of parks. Absolutely. That's my own department. I was just trying to get this to work session and get it moving. I can speak to Don about changing gears, and I can push. But I'm not sure where that's going to come from. So I guess ultimately you'll just have to let me know what you'd like me to do. And I'm happy to try for whatever you ask. I'll also just bring out we just did the bathrooms up at Veterans Memorial Park. They should be opening up this week. But in order for them to do that septic, they tore up the entire good portion of the bike trail. Oh, that's right. The bike trail is destroyed up there. And we met with Ken Tester yesterday morning, and there is no funding to restore the bike trail. So that's a big concern. And we did allocate, we did a resolution the other day to do the curbing and the blacktop, you know, to restore that. But there is no funding for the sidewalks to actually go to the actual restrooms in that area. I'm wondering if that would be eligible for this. Because that's a new project. To the break. Yeah. It's a, you know. Okay. Yeah. And to Ken's point, I just, we had an emergency meeting with the alternative traffic committee. Is that what it's called? Transportation committee. Transportation. I call it traffic. And they brought that up, and we had Ken Tester on the phone. And also coming out of the memorial park that has the jets. I don't know what that's called. You know where the jets are? I think it's Grumman Memorial Park. Grumman Memorial. Yeah. And Ken's bringing up the bike path there, which was when they laid, you know, when they laid the asphalt, it was like nothing, and it's just all disappearing. And they brought that up, what Ken is bringing up, and also that piece. Okay. So. I do think this grant is geared more towards playgrounds and community centers, but I can bring this information to Don, and we can discuss it, and I can get back to you really, really soon. Also, we can look for other grants for these other opportunities also. Right. So, we can look for other grants for these other opportunities. We can absolutely do that. Which I know is definitely on your radar. And I think that this initiative is a big thing for the state. I feel like each year there's like a different theme, and I think that this unplug and play is probably going to be extended. There's also a second round. So, there's a $1 million first round and a $1 million second round. So. Okay. But does that, does that pay out like yearly or something? Or have the wind of the grants issued like once a year or? Yeah. This is a reimbursement grant. Okay. So, we would have to, yeah. If those projects are going to be, you know, if the town is going to be, you know, if the town square is going to be a year away or something, then why not do an imminent project right now such as. Timing is tricky. The bike trail. Yeah. Or the. Bring all the. Or the. [transcription gap] We have things that need, and the Rec Department has like no, not enough money. Seriously. You know this. Better than anybody's. Here, reaching as a full head. Exactly. Let me just so how much we appreciated what you're doing. Oh, yes. Look, you're just so nice. [transcription gap] Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good day. Thank you, Liz.

Okay, next up we have matters surrounding possible changes to Chapters 217, Demolition Permits, Chapter 269, Shopping Courts, and Chapter 301, Revocation of Use Permits with Hurley and Downs.

Hello there. Hey. Good morning. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. How are we doing? We are doing. How are you? That's the question. Fantastic. My shopping cart code comes back. There you go. It just comes back. What do you want to start with? Building construction, demolition permits? Yeah, that's what we have up here for us. Okay. I provided the board just a quick little synopsis. A little overview on the amendments that we're proposing to do today, probably on the back pages. So we're starting off with demolition permits. So this amendment clarifies and strengthens the provisions governing demolition permits under Chapter 217.8. And by distinguishing between ordinary demolition and demolition required for code violations while introducing timelines. For both. So the key changes replaces the vague phrasing such as however, which is in the code, with a more specific and professional language like in addition for better clarity and consistency. We got new requirements for utility disconnections. It adds the language for electrical and gas service disconnects, which may be required by the building inspector. Okay. [transcription gap]

Okay. The work must commence when you apply for a demolition permit within 45 days and shall be completed within one year. What we've been finding in some situations, especially after we issue code violations to certain places that have to apply for a demolition permit, is that the can kind of gets, the proverbial can gets kicked down the road and they just renew the permit. So in justice court the application will be applied for, however no work is being commenced and it could be a year and then they'll renew the permit. So we want to take that out. And that's where we're getting into Section B violation-based demolition permits. So it applies to all. It applies to demolition needed to remediate code violations. These permits are strictly non-renewable and work must begin. This was a change. It's not 10 days, it's 45 days. So just to note that. It's 45 days and completed within six months for violations associated with justice court tickets. We did that because sometimes you'll need an electrical disconnect. And in some cases you're not going to get that within 10 days. All right, so the need for this amendment, pretty self-explanatory. It improves code enforcement, establishes enforceable timelines to prevent abandon of prolonged demolition permits, distinguishes permit types, sort of clarifies expectations based on whether demolition is voluntary or tied to a code violation. So you will have to do that. And then you'll have to do that again. So it's a little bit of a challenge. You'll have to do those original, those normal demolition permits. Some of these removing an in-ground pool. It doesn't have violations. Those are still going to be handled a little differently. The timeline will be a year as opposed to six months, but you still have to get the work done. You can commence work within 45 days. Thank you. I like that you're putting a timeline on this because, and I'm just going to throw this on your radar, right? There are some building permits. Andreas told me, I don't know, about a month ago, somebody had one from 1979. And it doesn't get renewed. I mean, it's good that we keep a better track of these things. Yup. And the last bullet point, it supports administrative consistency. It gives the building inspector clear authority and structure to enforce the rules. Thank you. So that's our demolition permit amendment. I wanted to say one more thing. I love the way you described it. You can spell it out. That's all him. Yeah, he did a great job comparing it. I think that would be useful of changing code in general. So it helps me understand it better. Yeah, it gives you a little overview of why we're doing the change. And this did go through code revision. And everybody was pretty much in that area. Thank you. Thank you. unanimously supported. Good. Update us on the shopping carts. Okay. Shopping carts.

All right. So, again, we have that overview for you guys to look at. This amendment updates 269.2 and 269.6, security devices of Chapter 269 shopping carts. The changes aim to enhance the clarity, enforceability, and practicality of existing requirements concerning anti-theft systems on shopping carts. So if you know, if you see the key changes to this, we added a new definition, 269.2. It introduces clear modern definitions of acceptable anti-theft wheel braking mechanisms. We did not have that before, so this is outlining. What is an acceptable wheel braking mechanism system? So that includes electromagnetic wheel locking, RFID-based systems, and smart cart GPS tracking systems. I think Mr. Kern did a lot of research on this, and we did the law initially, so I'm sure you know what all of those terms are. So this helps. Standardize what qualifies as compliant under our code. So, you know, we did this to try to be more specific, because there were shopping plazas that were just looking at systems that weren't really the correct type of systems. So we want to be clear what we're going to accept. It's easier to prosecute the case in court. It's much easier for the court. Yep. Yep. I know you had an issue, I think it was with, I don't know the place, it's over by the old Walmart, but with handicap, is there a provision in there with, you know, because they said the handicap courts have those big poles with a flag on it, and that's why they didn't want to do it. Am I correct in that? Yeah. Okay. So is there a provision in here where X amount, or, you know, is there a provision for handicap? No, we didn't put any, we didn't touch anything with respect to ADA requirements. Okay. Yeah. So they were just trying to get away with not doing that. Well, we had certain places that were, so as an example, their anti-theft mechanism was putting bollards out the door and not letting the public go out with their carts. So that kind of defeats the purpose of a shopping cart, really. Because generally you want the cart to go out the door, you want to put the stuff in the trunk of your car and then go, you know, leave the cart wherever it is and the cart return. So we had people that were just thinking that was their anti-theft mechanism. So that's not really what an anti-theft mechanism is. And when we designed this code, this is the key points that we had, you know, originally. That was our thought process. So we've outlined that.

We added a new exemption. However, in here, because I felt, and after we did extensive enforcement here, that there were those, you know, small mom-and-pop operations that, you know, liquor stores and whatnot that had shopping carts, but we really didn't feel that they needed to put a whole anti-theft mechanism system in their parking areas if they had 15 or fewer carts. So we added that to the language of the code so that there's, you know, an exemption there for those small operations that only have 15 or fewer carts. So, and we figured that number would be, you know, an appropriate number. So now you're saying when I go to King Cullen, they're only going to have 15 carts for everybody. Let's hope not. Let's hope not. Shop right. Yeah. Yeah. We found that there was some, like, you know, true value and smaller, you know, Talmadge. And the small operations. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Makes perfect sense. I mean, certainly we can explore that number. I mean, we can even increase it if we feel 15 is just too few. I mean, we can increase it to 20 or 25 depending upon, you know, what we find out. We thought 15 was. I think 15 is good because the guy on West Main that has that supermarket, he was all for this because his carts were getting stolen like crazy. Oh. Okay. You know, so. Yeah. Yeah. So. So the need for the amendment, obviously, again, self-explanatory, clearly defines acceptable systems, removing ambiguity for businesses and town enforcement staff, addresses cart abandonment and blight, and provides reasonable flexibility for the small business owners, so. Any questions? Nope. Nope. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we have proposed amendment to revocation of use permits. Okay. So just so you know, this did go to code revision. We did speak to Don Thomas about this, and we also spoke to the zoning officer, Greg Bergman. Okay. Okay. We'll head over to head over to head over to head over to head over to head over to head And so they both reviewed this. What about the building inspector? Yeah, Andreas, did you talk to him about this? He was sent a copy of this, yes. He was, and he's in co-division.

All right, so. Did he weigh in on this? Off the top of my head, I don't know. I would like him to, because it seems like if he gives a building permit, the zoning officer can pull that building permit. Am I reading this correctly? Well, no, the zoning officer is Greg Bergman. No, I'm saying, I'm sorry. Greg Bergman doesn't issue building permits. No, this is a use permit, yeah. So it appears as though that. I just kind of. A use permit is separate and distinct from a building permit. So a use permit is somebody giving somebody authorization to use a building for whatever that reason might be. Maybe it's a matter of right use or maybe it's not. Maybe it means. I don't think that there's any book of appeals, but. Oh, I get it. That's what a use permit is. It's not a building permit. I see. I think, though, did you discuss this at all? I mean, I've only been with the business advisory committee since January, but have you presented this to them at all to kind of look over? I know that they've typically commented on some of the building codes, questions, permits, and so forth. Not to my knowledge. We didn't discuss anything. I think it was the business advisory committee with respect to this amendment. So, I mean, like I said, we presented it to the co-division committee. They reviewed it. We circulated it to Dawn and Andres and Greg, and we had no opposition. I think we'd be, I mean, things like this would normally go through the business advisory committee? Not normally, no. No. I always thought it would. For a use permit? Well, just to look at it. Just to, you know, look at it. Well, I mean, okay.

Well, generally, we don't supply the business advisory committee with co-divisions. I mean, they're public. We do it during the work session. I mean, this is going to go to a town board meeting, obviously, and it can be, you know, anybody can comment on it at that point. But without getting into weeds, let's go over. Why we did it. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, this amendment allows the zoning officer, okay, the authority to revoke use permits and establish a formal appeals process for a use permit. It empowers the zoning officer to revoke a use permit when the actual use of the premises deviates from the approved application. So, in other words, if somebody says they're going into a building, they're going to have to do an office use or something like that, and that deviates from that particular type of use into something else or morphs into something that the permit was issued for, this gives the ability to revoke that permit based off of what's really happening inside the building. So, that is really the crux of this. Yeah. Can I ask you a question? So, let's just say it's a commercial space. It's 2,000 square feet, and it's a paint store. Mm-hmm. The paint store goes out at ease. Yeah. Hypotheticals. What? No, go ahead. And then he's selling paint, and he goes, you know what? I'm going to sell tile, too. Still retail sales. That's okay. Okay. That's where I'm going. That's okay. That's different. If he turns it into an apartment, then... Yeah. If he's turning it into a use that's not a matter of right use, per se... Okay. Got it. ...then that's a different situation. I think that what you're trying to say is that right now, we don't have anything in place... We don't. ...if we... We have that kind of situation happen. Right. Correct. So... Wow. This expands on that. So, if the current use contradicts, we can revoke. We have to provide written notification to the permit holder before we do that. And the use must cease within reasonable time frame as determined by the zoning officer at the time. Non-compliant subjects of the property to enforce... We will enforce. ...through the Town Code, through this section. And Section M is established as a clear and fair process for the applicants to challenge the revocation, the right to appeal to the Zoning Board of Appeals within 30 days of receiving the revocation notice. That's outlined in an Article 78 proceeding, home rule, that requires written submission detailing reasons. Okay. So, we have to approve the appeal, and the Zoning Board must hold a public hearing within 45 days. So, again, the need for the amendment, I kind of explained that. It provides a mechanism for the Town to respond when a property use no longer aligns with the permitted approvals that they were issued. So... Improves regulatory oversight. Helps prevent misuse. Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you. [transcription gap] Thank you. Thank you. ensures procedural fairness, applicants are granted a structural appeals process including a hearing and the right for judicial review, and promotes consistency and transparency in zoning enforcement practices. So I do want to say if there are advisory committees that want to weigh in on this, this is just our first presentation to the board. We don't typically refer them out unless the board requests that we refer them out, and if there are advisory committees that want to weigh in, they can contact myself or Rich. This is just us putting it out there to you guys for an opening session and seeking approval to put in a publish and post to hold the public hearing where we'll take in more comments. I'm very glad that you're doing this because I don't like that there's been so many gray areas in the past, and I saw that during the comprehensive plan meeting. Where we were able to kind of narrow in on different things and say you know we need a clear definition of exactly what the process is. It protects the town in the long run, and I appreciate you guys doing the work that you've been doing on this. So thank you. Thank you. Any further questions? No. Well thank you folks. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay next up we have Matter Surrounding a River head in action video regarding a historic house in the town. Matter Surrounding... Surrounding... [transcription gap] Hi, this is Tim Hubbard, supervisor of the great town of Riverhead, and you're watching Riverhead in Action, a media campaign designed to highlight the incredible work of the 350 plus employees that comprise Riverhead's 26 departments and sub-departments, town events, projects, job openings, local businesses, and other town happenings. I hope you find this informative and enjoyable, and thank you for watching Riverhead in Action. Hello, I'm Councilwoman Joanne Waskie, and welcome to an edition of Riverhead in Action. Today, we are at a historical spot on Ripping Avenue. I'm joined today by Richard Wines and Cliff Palachuk. Cliff is the owner, and we also have Richard Wines again, who is the director of the Riverhead Thank you. [transcription gap] I'm Chair of the Landmarks Preservation Commission. There's so much history here in Riverhead, and I'm so excited to show everybody this house, dated back to when, Cliff? 1870. Charles Hallett came to Riverhead in 1856, and how soon after that he built this house, we're not quite sure. Hallett, starting out as a carpenter, came here and bought several mills, but the mill he was most famous for was a mill that made building parts. It made moldings, hollows. It was called a plaining and sash mill. Looking at the outside of this house, if you look up above, upstairs there, you're seeing all kinds of things that he could have made. All the brackets under the eaves, for instance. Wow, look at that. And look at the fancy moldings, that dental work above the window on the second floor there, and you'll see it again above the window here. Or look at the porch, these wonderful little brackets here on the porch, around the doorway, and you see the fancy moldings around the door. These are all the kinds of things that he would have made in his mill. What we have here is the Downtown Riverhead Historic Trail, and this is a QR code enabled trail, and you can go all around Downtown Riverhead and you'll see codes like this. And you click on that code, and someone is going to tell you about the history of this house. So why don't we all go inside, step back in time, and see the inside of this historic home. I welcome you in. Let's go for a tour. Yeah. So why don't we go up to this room back here, which I think is the most interesting one. I'm suspecting that this was probably Charles Hallett's favorite room, most likely his office, where he might have run some of his businesses out of here. But you look around, look at this woodwork, all this incredible woodwork, these wide moldings. Just think of them all being made here in Riverhead. It's the typical Victorian period fireplace you'd see from 1860, 1870, 1880, right from the period. Incredible. And that's original. And that's glass? Yeah. Oh, yes. You could not get glass like that today. That would be... Or if you did, it would probably cost more than the house is worth. Right? Additional sliding pocket door there. Another pocket door there. This would have been an addition to the original house, because when you look in this walkway, the old siding is there. Look at the size of this door. And it's always been a little bit bigger. It's a little bit bigger. Yeah. [transcription gap] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, this is full of head room head room head room head room head room head room head So this is my other favorite room in the house. Again, you're seeing a lot of original detail here, the same kind of ceiling boards, similar moldings around the doorways. Do you know if these lights are original, Cliff? I believe they are. We know the story of this building is that it was supposedly the first building in Riverhead to get electric lights. This was previously the front parlor to the house. We decided there had to be more space. I didn't want it to look like a new addition. So everything that was done, I tried to recreate as close to the original building and the large office in the back as I could, which included having all the moldings recreated, the woodwork, everything that was possible that we could do. What would look like the original building is what I tried to keep. So what was this originally? It was plaster, is that what you said? Yes, this would have all just been plaster walls up in this parlor. And this is the original door? Yep, this is the original door with a staircase on the other side that the original owners would have used to go upstairs to their beds. Well, I thank you so much for inviting us in today. It's been wonderful exploring your story. 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You couldn't afford to have that done today. No, to see it in person is just beautiful. It's spectacular. It's incredible. It reminds me of the inside with all the dark wood and all the molding and everything inside Pulaski Street School in the front lobby there. It reminds me of that too and that was built in the 1900s. But incredible the work that they did back in the day. I just want to give a special thank you to Richard Wines and Cliff Polachek. Thank you for your time that day. It was a very enjoyable afternoon. Very good. Next up we have Mattis Round in Riverhead in Action video, a quarter one recap. Hi, this is Tim Hubbard, supervisor of the great town of Riverhead and you're watching Riverhead in Action, a media campaign designed to highlight the incredible work of the 350 plus employees. They comprise Riverhead's 26 departments and sub departments, town events, projects, job openings, local businesses and other town happenings. I hope you find this informative and enjoyable and thank you for watching Riverhead in Action.

Thanks so much. [transcription gap] Thank you. [transcription gap] Hi, this is Tim Hubbard. Okay, that was just a brief highlight of our... of our first quarter of this year. As we continue on, we will have much more to show and present to you, and I want to thank my Chief of Staff and my Deputy Supervisor and Mr. Justin in the back for all the work that goes into this, and I think we all kind of have fun doing it, and we always learn something with each one we do, so it's interesting, and we will keep them up, and we get a lot of good compliments on them from people in the public, so thank you all so much. One quick announcement here, just a reminder that the Water District is going to be flushing the lines for the next three weeks, and as we've all known this from in the past, if you turn your water on and it's coming out brown or rusty looking, just turn the cold faucet on and let it run until it comes out clear. Sometimes it takes a couple of tries, but don't do your wash as I've done in the past, especially whites, if you have brown water, because... obviously your whites become brown. So just run it to clear it out, and it's going to take place over the next three weeks town-wide, so remember that if it comes up to your house and happens, run them and flush them. Okay. At this point in time, we're going to close executive session in a moment, close open session, and go into executive session to discuss matters surrounding contractual agreement for recycling. That'll be with Rothwell, Dillingham, Clifford, Prudente, and Baldinucci. We have matters surrounding contractual agreement for police services with WASKI. We have matters surrounding license and agreement for Racetrack Not Street with Rothwell. And we have matters surrounding possible sale of real property with Kern. So if I could have a motion to close open session and go into executive. So moved. Seconded. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Open session is closed, and we will be going into executive session. Everybody have a wonderful weekend, and we'll see you next week. Thank you.