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Thank you. Thank you. Today is Wednesday, September 17, 2025. We're here for a work session. Today we had to change things because of scheduling of people around a little bit, so we're going to close the open session and go into an executive session to discuss the following items. Prior to this, though, can we all please rise for the pledge?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay, we're going to go into executive session to discuss under personnel matters surrounding changes in status of employees with Hubbard and DiPola. We're going to discuss matters under litigation surrounding litigation with URT. That will be with Howard, Tenenberg, Lipinski, and Brown. Legal matters. Matters surrounding the sale of real property with Kern, Merrifield, Thomas, and Hurley. And we have, under contractual, we have matters surrounding inter-municipal agreement with the town of Brookhaven, and that will be with Howard, Hurley, and Dillingham. So at this time, we anticipate being back somewhere around 1130, so we're going to close the open session and go up into executive. Then we'll come back down and open up the open session, like I said, approximately around 1130. So can I have a motion to close the open session and go into executive session? So moved. Seconded. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Okay, open session is closed. We'll see you at approximately 1130.

Are there any comments? Are there any comments? Are there any comments? Are there any comments? Welcome back, everybody. We are back from executive session and we are now going to go to open session of Wednesday, September 17th, 2025 work session. So we are now back open. And first up on our discussion today for open session is matters surrounding possible changes to chapter 301-3 and 301-208 related to golf cottages. And that will be Greg Berman with your senior planner, if you would please come up. Good morning, everybody. So what we have worked on, there was a recommendation in the comp plan, you know, we're always looking for ways to increase use of TDRs. One of the recommendations in the comprehensive plan was the potential use of golf cottages, which the comp plan, you know, said a permitted accessory use to a golf course intended to provide convenient, transient lodging options for golfers or visitors wishing to stay on the golf course. I sort of expanded upon that a little bit. Golf cottages are not to be used for long-term housing. Golf cottages shall be limited to one bedroom, kitchenette, and bathroom facilities. Golf cottages are not to exceed 600 square feet of gross floor area per unit and shall be limited to one bedroom. Golf cottages are only for use forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. Sale forай through 2.1 acres. a minimum size of no less than 125 acres. They certainly seem a lot bigger than that when I play. Yeah. So in terms of the TDRs, right now in our zoning code, the Residence A80 Zoning Use District is already listed as a receiving district. So I put in a code change to the 301-208A, which would pertain to the RA80 Zoning District. The preservation credits may also be used for the development of golf cottages as accessory uses to standard golf courses at a rate of one golf cottage per preservation credit redeemed. There would need to be a little additional work. There are golf courses throughout the town in several different zoning use districts. There's one in the RB80 Zoning Use District. That's the Great Rock Golf Course. There's a few in the APZ. And then there's two up in the Residence A80 Zoning District. You've got the Bainy Hollow Club and Friars Head are in RA80. In order to make other zoning use districts receiving districts, you need to do a GEIS. So that's a little bit more of an undertaking than just an amendment to an existing receiving district. The end result is, right now, the two golf courses that are in the RA80 Zoning District would be the Bainy Hollow Club and Friars Head. So with the adoption of these, if they wish, they could come in for a site plan application. The Great Rock Golf Course. So I looked at it. Great Rock is actually in Residence B80. So that is not currently a receiving district. That would require a little bit of additional study. This would be an easily implemented code revision, whereas making those other zoning use districts receiving districts requires a generic environmental impact statement. The end result is, under this proposed code, there would be two eligible properties that could potentially come in for applications. You'd see no more than 18 golf cottages per hole. You'd be talking about a total, if those two golf courses came in and wanted to develop that, you could potentially be looking at 36 units. Again, that would result in 36 acres of preserved land. And again, very minimal. When you look at Friars Head, Friars Head is about 350 acres. Based on the size limitations, if they wanted to come in and do 18 golf cottages, you'd be looking at 11,000 square feet of floor, and that's a lot of land. So, you know, if you're looking at a three-acre area on a 350-acre parcel, is nothing. Right. So. Well, they already have two. They do have three. There's three. Again, I haven't looked. I've never looked at the approvals, but yeah, there are what look like to be three, you know, cottage-type units up on the bluff of Friars Head. Many mansions. So I'm in full support of this because that's what the farmers have been continuously asking is to be able to sell TDRs. You know what I mean? So that, you know, that's a big plus because that's going to put developers in the position of directly buying, spending TDRs for this. My one question is, like, I just going, my own personal use, going to places, you know, Sabonic and things, letting yourself out of town or whatever like that, I don't know why we're specifically eliminating it to one bedroom in terms of the design. I don't really think it makes a difference. If you have a foursome and you have four people coming in to play, you might have two double beds and two rooms or something. I don't see that it's necessary to say that this can only be a one bedroom. I think however they want to lay it out. But I do also think that with ADA compliances and putting in, you know, potentially two bedrooms, a little kitchen at a gathering area, I think 600 square feet is a little too small. So I kind of want to strike out the one bedroom and I'd like to up the square foot. So these were the thought for, you know, a golf stay as an individual or maybe, you know, two people going out to stay at a golf club. These were not meant to substitute and become hotel rooms. I mean, so the average hotel room, I just did a little quick search. The average hotel room is about 300 to 400 square feet. So I mean, even going to 600 square feet is well in excess of a standard hotel room. You know, these were not meant to be large, you know, residential type units. They were meant for, you know, short stays. You got a couple of friends that want to come out. You know, you got a bachelor party. You go out and you rent a couple of units. You stay on the golf course. You have a, you know, a weekend out east. These were not meant to, you know, substitute for a hotel or a type stay. You're going in there with luggage and golf clubs and everything else. You have four guys coming in and dropping all this stuff in the room. I don't need that. Or a husband and wife with two small children come out and the wife wants to shop and go to the beach and the husband's on his golf vacation. And, you know. So, Greg, I've gone on golf trips, right? Usually go with 12 to 16 people. This is never going to cut it. But that's, you know, you're staying in a motel somewhere and you're going to be all over the place and then you want to be in a spot where you're all together in a complex and you'll see them down south. You'll see them in Florida. 600 square feet is not going to do it. And I don't know. I was on the steering committee. I supported this. But I don't know how, who came up with 600 square feet. To me, I mean, what I would do is, I would make this one story 1,200 square feet and I'm going to tell you why. You can get four people in there. And however they want to do it. You know, just make a TDR 1,200 square feet. 600 is not doable. I don't even think from an ROI standpoint. I'm just, this was the language that was taken directly out of the adopted comprehensive plan. No, I'm not putting this on you. This is not Greg Bergman coming up with this. This is the language that, yeah. No, I'm not putting this on you. We want to, if we want to, you want to tweak it. I mean, again, we're here to have a discussion if you want to see. I think we need to go, I'm not putting it on you at all, Greg, because there was a lot of people around the table. But I would say I would be satisfied with 1,200 square feet. I'm fine with 1,200, but I think you do need to cross out the one bedroom because I do think that same thing. Like even the supervisors say you have a couple with kids, you want to have two bedrooms. And it's like, and the bedroom's got to be ADA compliant size. And so then they can't be these little nooks. You know, you've got to make sure that a wheelchair can come through, move around, larger size bathroom. So I would be fine to, I would agree with councilman to go 1,200 square feet and strike out the one bedroom. Just like to design it the way it fit. I do want to keep it at one story. And I do think that each cottage is specifically one TDR. So we're not trying to make two cottages into one and downsize it to get, you know what I mean, to stay away. I want to see it. I want to see it sell the TDRs. But also Greg, you know, I think about it. They may, you know, if somebody gets 1,200 square feet yield, right, they might do one at 800, right? You know, one at 1,200. One bedroom at 800 and then? Yeah, because they may do it for doubles. They may do it for, not too many people go single on a golf trip. But I mean, how they distribute the 1,200 square feet is up to them. They have to come in for a site plan. But each cottage, if they decide to design it, if they decide to design them at 800 square feet, and they say it works. They can do maybe one single bedroom, and then the second cottage is a two-bedroom, but each cottage is one TDR. I'm sorry, each cottage, each 1,200 square feet, so you have a nexus. Well, so if someone wants to build an 800-square-foot, it's one golf cottage per TDR. I mean, I'll stick pretty— And I would make it—then I would go to 1,200 because otherwise— We'll put it to 1,200, but if someone wants to build an 800-square-foot unit versus a 1,200-square-foot unit, a TDR. I'm just looking for a nexus with square feet, and I'll tell you why. Just in other discussions, and again, I'm leaving this out on the table. During the process with the steering committee, we discussed— if somebody has 10 acres of residential, we were going to allow it on the bill. We were going to go below 1,200 square feet for housing, right? And so then it was units, but it was based on— you're not going to pay per unit. You're going to use the—we need a square footage number, and they can divvy up the square footage the way they want to divvy it up. But I mean to say I'm going to pay $80,000 for a 600-square-foot unit, and I'm going to pay $80,000 for a 1,200-square-foot unit, I'm doing all 1,200, you know, because it just doesn't— More bang for your buck. Exactly. Greg, is there a— Can we reduce it to square feet? I mean, that's what I'm—you know, that's what I'm trying to do, Greg, whether it's in this situation or in other situations, because just like the previous comp plan when they were doing, what was it, 1,500 square feet for commercial, and they sold six, and the mistake that went on for 20-some odd years was nobody realized that, oh, 1,500. 1,500 square feet isn't enough. We really got to get up just to 25. Well, I would just—I'll look at how we can put 1,200 square feet. We can strike the one bedroom. I just do want to take a look at the health department standards for, you know, again, these would be considered rental units. Wouldn't want to exceed the sanitary flow from a 1,200-square-foot. You know, if a TDR equates to whatever, you know, X amount of gallons per day, we shouldn't exceed that. So I'll just—I'll take a look at that. I mean, if 1,200 falls in that— If it's in that range, we can do that, and we can strike the bedroom count. Perfect. I do have a concern about how this is going to affect our hotel industry. I think that if we left it at 600 square feet, that that would be the equivalent of almost having a hotel room and— Or a small suite. Yeah. You know, because— 600 square feet. I mean, a 600-square-foot hotel room could absolutely be designed. You don't want it to be ADA compliant. I mean, you don't need 1,200 square feet to be ADA compliant. Yeah, but you're talking about a hotel season that is already maxed out, and, you know, and golf season and hotel season run pretty much concurrent. This is marketing an entirely new idea. This is the golf course themselves that the clubs bring. Absolutely. People from Manhattan to stay and play, drinking, not leaving the grounds, not having to get in a car and drive or go out. Right. And being on site, I just—I don't see— I don't see it affecting the hotels. I mean, this past summer, again, most of the hotels are fully booked. So we have—personally, we have family members coming out and who could not get a hotel. I mean, all the studies we've done so far has demonstrated that the demand for a hotel on the east end is there. So, I mean, again, right now with these proposed— No, I completely support it. If we had 36 additional, you know— I don't want to call them, you know, hotel, but if we had 36 additional destination-type units where someone could stay on the east end, I mean, that's, you know, a quarter of what's probably located in, like, the Marriott residence in, you know, in 120 or however many rooms they have. Is there a minimum building square foot in New York State for a home? Minimum square footage? I don't know about—I don't know if there's minimum building sizes per building code. There are minimum requirements in certain zoning districts that we have for single-family residential, which we may look to remove. That's because, you know, if someone doesn't want to build a— if they don't want to build a 1,500-square-foot house, if they wanted to build something smaller to allow that. I just had a question. It's not like we're going to have a cottage at each hole. How does this get laid out? I mean, that would really fall onto each individual site coming in for a site plan. Now, because of the zoning use districts, right now the RA80 zoning district, the golf course is not a permitted use, so it would also require a special permit from the town board for the expansion of a non-conforming use. So, I mean, wherever the— These potential cottages may be located would be subject to a site plan and a special permit review. So, I mean, you know, again, on a 350-acre Friars Head or Bainey Hollow Club being 155 acres, these units could surely be constructed where they wouldn't be visible from Sound Avenue. You wouldn't affect the historic corridor. Would they be, like, in a cluster? I'm just curious how they—or, like, stripped one line of them. It depends on the layout of the— Yeah, it depends on the layout or where a potential—you know, I mean— I would imagine it would be two or three. At least multiple ones together for the septic system reason of trying to tie in— For the septic system. —bringing water. You know, you're not going to run— Right. You're not going to run 18 individual services throughout your golf course to bring water to, you know, each unit. So, I mean, it would make sense to site them in a common location. And screen them. Yeah. You know, as well, not way out in the middle of the corner. Yeah. Is there a requirement of how many acres? Oh, it says right here. Well, so— You know, a golf course— Yeah, right now, a standard golf course is, you know, no less than 125 acres, which those two golf courses that I mentioned are well in excess of the 125. So, at that point, it would just be really subject to, you know, a site plan, picking an appropriate location, making sure— How does it work eventually down the road if we wanted to basically give it as a right to all golf courses? What's overall the difference in terms of— You'd have to make—so, right now, because golf courses aren't a permitted— Yeah. —permitted use in the R-80 zoning district, golf course would have to be made a permitted use, which means you could potentially see new golf— not that a new golf course may open up, but you would have to make that a permitted use in order to remove the special permit. Is that where all the remaining golf courses are, R-80? So, you've got— Cherry Creek. Again, you've got— Cherry Creek. Those are in— National. National. Yeah. So, south of Sound Avenue, between Middle Road and Sound Avenue, is the APZ. You've got a few, you know, the Long Island National Golf Course, Cherry Creek. Those are in the APZ. The Great Rock Golf Course is in the residence B-80 zoning district. So, I mean, I don't think you necessarily want to bring golf courses as a permitted use in the APZ. I think you'd see farmland be converted to a golf course, potentially. So, that's not necessarily a desirable path. Oh. It's, you know, residential. I think this is— This is a good step to move this forward, and I think this also could potentially lead into— We did have the Agriculture Advisory Committee here as well, and about eventually putting cottages, like, on certain farm— Farm states. Farm states. You know, just so that, you know, it's like— It's about everything about giving the farmers the opportunity to financially survive. These are being done all over the country, too. I've seen them done, like, out in Colorado and whatnot. They've had different setups. They're really very attractive. It really dresses up the golf course a little bit. It's kind of nice the way they've surrounded the course with small little residential quarters for people that are really enamored with the game of golf. Yeah. And look, the bottom line is, you know, I mean, if we— Like I said, if we get, you know, 36 acres of preservation out of, you know, right now, the two golf courses, if they were to both come in, you know, we're looking for ways to really drive the TDR program. Yeah. Not that there's not going to be one— Yeah. There's not going to be one silver pot. Yeah. Yeah. If we pull it, that's going to address it. It's going to come through these little, you know, little changes here or there that are kind of just chip away at what we have left. Yeah. Yeah. I say, can we agree to get this going and get a resolution and get it in motion? All right. So I'll just—I'll amend it. We'll change it. We'll change it to 1,200. We'll strike the bedroom. I'll just recirculate that in an email. If the board's okay with it, I'll then do the, you know, necessary resolutions, schedule a public hearing. We can move forward. Okay. Good work. All right. Very good. And for the record, gentlemen, sometimes four women go and play golf and stay at these places. Oh, yeah. I'll get you some. Wow. I've never heard of that. I could think of some— You guys just kept saying, you know, four guys, they go, they stay at the same place. Well, the girls do that, too. I didn't want to mention the girls that I know that do it, like, on a weekly basis. And you know who I'm talking about. I'm a top golfer, so this is not my— Yes. Not my forte. That's about my— Miniature golf. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Me, too. Are you a top golfer? I've dabbled. I've dabbled. I spend a lot of time at the 19th hole at the top golf, but that's it. There you go. You're the best hole on the course. Yeah. Thank you. A lot of people are good at 19th hole. Thanks, Greg. Okay. Next up, we have Mattis Randon, Monthly Police Department, report with Captain Danielle Wilsey. What the— Well, you know what an avid golfer I am. You know how to run? I am good. All right. We'll get this started. So, in looking at the August 2025 police report, if you look at the year-over-year changes, we'll see that the criminal incidents have gone down approximately 25 percent from 2024 to 2025, which in turn decreases arrests, charges, and arraignments, which should be seen with that. The other notable change from 2024 to 2025, you'll see domestic incidents increased. They also increased the month-over-month from July to August of 2025. So, you know, you can see that that's a good increase. All right. So, we're going to look at the August 2025 report. I went back and reviewed them, and it appears as though we had some locations which had multiple within a week or two span, which we do have once in a while, but it appears as though August we had several of those locations. Sometimes it takes some time to come to a resolution, and then we don't hear from them again, but there are several repeats, which is why that number appears to be a little bit higher. Hot weather and cooped up in the house? Yeah. So, we'll review that for September to keep an eye on those trends. You'll also see that the simple assault number did go up. The number did go up in regards to that as well. The change from the offenses went from 25 to 35 from July to August, 21 of those being from domestic incidents. Total arrests in the monthly comparison went up a bit, although August appears to be a more normal number. July was a little bit low. So as an average, August was about where we normally are. We had an increase in DUEs for August. Okay. So, most of the reason for that is because Labor Day weekend fell in August to Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We had increased patrols. We had increased checkpoints. So that led to the increase in DUEs. We did have a decrease in the number of identity theft, which is good because that normally does affect our elderly population. We try to get out there as much as we can to explain to them the dangers of giving the information over the phone. So, hopefully that's part in place of why that may have decreased, but we're always trying to get that word out. For the non-criminal instance page, I just want to correct a couple of numbers on yours. If you have the MBAs, which says 533, I don't want anybody to think we have that much of an increase. That number should be 153. So, about halfway through where it says MBA state, we didn't go from 144 to 533. That number should be 153. So that we have the right number there. Okay. So, we're going to go through the numbers. We're going to go through the numbers. Okay. So, we have a great number there for you. The arrest by sector stayed pretty much average where we normally fall. We usually do see a higher number in the 601 sector. And then, usually average out 604 is usually one of the lower numbers. We had no fatal or non-fatal overdoses in the whole town in the month of August, which is great. We had no downtown violent crime. The only major crimes you can consider were two grand larcenies, one from a vehicle, one of scam. Really, no one was injured, nothing like that. No violent crime there. We do have the list of simple assaults. You can see out of the 35, 21 of them were from domestics, which is why that number was increased. Any other questions? No. It's always nice to see that crime is going down. Yes. And we thank the men and women of our wonderful Rivet Police Department for that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. How are you? Good. Good afternoon. That's right. Oh, that's right. So this is the code enforcement report for August 2025. Everybody have a copy in front of them? Yes. Okay. New complaints, we opened 88. We continue to, you know, open up new complaints every month. The complaints that we opened up for the month of August were things such as dangerous conditions, unsafe structures, high grass weeds, rubbish, illicit discharges, no building permits, illegal apartments. We had five overcrowded house complaints that we got in August. Which is an illicit discharge. So that's when somebody is actually maybe pumping water out onto the right of way. Gotcha. Yeah. So we get that. Draining a pool. Yeah, draining a pool. Draining a pool out into the town. But believe it or not, draining a pool is exempt as long as it's dechlorinated. So it's okay. Okay. Yeah. Transient rentals, we had three. We had zoning use and setback issues, a combination of eight. We had four unregistered vehicles, solid waste and dumping. We had six. Is that illegal? Is that? What's the fine on that? Is it illegal dumping on that? Or is that? Those fines were raised about two years ago. Yeah, we went to about $1,500. Yeah. Where was I? No rental permits, two. No certificate of occupancies, one. Vehicles and parking complaints, we had three. Street sidewalk obstructions, we had two. Trespass general complaints, six. That's a combination. And then we had those other noise, lighting signs and infestation complaints totaling 28. We still have 119 cases still open. That's from January to date. Tickets and violations that we issued. Total summonses, we had 40 and the categories were for no CO, no building permit, rubbish, weeds, rental permits, zoning violations, unregistered or inoperable vehicles, solid waste dumping. And that concludes the code aspect. As far as rental properties, we have completed 73 inspections for the month of August. We issued 91 permits. New rental applications. The total revenue collected for August was $24,875. And our year-to-date revenue is $236,400. 300 would have been nice. Court legal actions, we have referred one matter over to the Town Attorney's Office for the Central Supreme Court. So we're going to keep that in mind. What's going on with the parking lot in Staples? Okay, so we had a meeting with the owner for that property, and that matter is still pending in Supreme Court. So there's been some expression on his part to remediate, although we haven't seen any immediate movement yet. Yeah, because the clock is ticking on Haswell. Yeah, absolutely. But that matter is still pending in Supreme Court. It's been filed. So at this point, it's been two years since we basically increased all of the rental fees, made it annual. So at this point, we've been into every rental in the town and so forth, and now we're starting like the second round, so to speak. Yes. Yeah, we're on the second year of the program, as we were calling it. So we've been really trying to keep up with what is required for annual inspection, as opposed to bi-annual. So is the numbers of rentals going up, like are more people deciding to legalize their rental, so to speak? I mean, with the onset of the new software, OpenGov, we're able to track them a lot better now. So I mean, more and more applicants are finding it easier to apply. So we are seeing the numbers go up. Okay, great. We know that it's not even so much that the numbers are going up. More people are maybe coming into compliance. They've already been probably preexisting. Yeah, absolutely. I think the thing is that you guys are getting in there to see them and check out secondary egresses, fire extinguishers, the standard, hot plates on the bedrooms and all the other good stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Like I said, with that new OpenGov software, we are tracking the inspections a lot easier. It's easier for the applicant to coordinate their inspection through the portal. So those things have helped us greatly.

It was worth the time setting it up, right, in the long run? It was worth it, a year and a half. Yeah. All right. Thank you, sir. You're welcome. Great job. Next up we have Matters Surrounding Monthly Justice Court report with Councilman. Ms. Fleury-Pilo. Hello.

Eddie down. Nothing's going. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Okay. So August 2025, does everyone have a copy? Yes. August 2025, we were closed for one week in court, so that's why it's a little bit lower. But I want to draw your attention to the human services section. So you'll see there were quite a bit of jail. There were a lot of sentences that were issued. One in particular, if you see, there's four in a row that say 15 days jail. That was actually the same individual. What I did was I asked for consecutive time because we're maxed out at 15 days on violations, and we had four. So what you can do is you can stack them, and then you can get a longer jail sentence by having them serve it consecutively. Did the judge agree to that? Yes. The judge did sentence to the 60 days, and the defendant agreed to it, actually. Okay. Very surprisingly. So that was one highlight. Also, I think I've described this in prior meetings, the jail breakouts, which is someone that has one or two priors. We get them to agree to not pick up another offense within a six-month period or a one-year period, and if they do, they have to answer back for the original charge, as well as the additional 15 days that they'll be on the hook for. So that's a good tool to pursue. It's something that we use to prevent people coming back all the time. It's something to keep them cognizant of the laws. Almost like an ACOD? Yes, but instead they are pleading guilty, and the conditional discharge would be to give those 15 days back if they violate it. I also had an open alcohol trial that resulted in a guilty verdict. She had no priors, so it wasn't a jail sentence. It was the fine. I have been doing quite a few trials for these Justice Court cases. It's really all I have. You see all the totals at the bottom. I'm sorry. So you had a trial for open alcohol, but you're allowed to smoke marijuana? No. So if you smoke marijuana in the zero tolerance areas, you'll get a smoking in public charge. Most people plead to those. It's a lower fine than open alcohol. Most people will plead to those without a trial. We've had, surprisingly, have had one or two trials for those in the past as well. Really? Okay. So those are accounted for as well. I just, when I heard Investigator Downs speak about transient rentals, I'm happy to say that I did have, I know that everyone, you know, is somewhat unhappy with the fines that are associated with that. The max fine for the 3,100 was $1,000. I know that. So the max fine was $3,100 for the transient rental. But I will say we had someone plead, pay the max fine, agreed a conditional discharge not to do it again. The code enforcement was right out there. They got another ticket. They pled to a max fine for that. And they had said, you know, this isn't worth it anymore. Sometimes it's not so much the fine. It's having to come to the justice court and sit there for three hours on a Tuesday afternoon, especially if they don't live in Suffolk County. They offer more. Yeah. So. Can you tell me a little bit more about the fine? What's the fine? What's the fine? What's the fine? What's the fine? What's the fine? What's the fine? What's the fine? What's the fine? on a Tuesday afternoon, especially if they don't live in Suffolk County. They often work. Yeah, so I know we're very fine-oriented, but I just wanted to point that out, that just keeping on them and having them have to come to court has worked and the listing was taken down. And I believe the house is now up for sale. So little things like that that I think are important to point out. So, yeah. Could you give us an update on the house in Waiting River, what's happening? Sure. I am going to Supreme Court tomorrow on that. And so basically it is me asking the judge to make a more specific decision on the fact that they have clearly violated the order from both the appellate division and the Supreme Court. So now it's a higher level to which the judge can order and more specific relief. And in the interim, while this was pending, while we were trying to get this put back onto the Supreme Court calendar, I've been working very closely with Investigator Buckner. She's been taking pictures. I've been uploading those to the pending case, showing the clear disregard for both of the orders. So I will be making arguments based on that with all of the photos and the exhibits tomorrow. And you'll be the first person I report back to when I get back. Thank you. I'll give you the second. Sure. We were seeking fines per day in violation. Yeah, so that's generally what will happen when there's a civil contempt of that. The judge will determine the fines per day that they've been in violation. What was the issue with the language? I gather it was ambiguous. You're looking for more clarification. So what was wrong with the initial contempt order? There was nothing wrong with it. It's just when we show the judge that they aren't following the order, now the judge will make... can take it to the next level and order more specific things, such as if they're found in civil contempt, I don't think this would happen, but they could be in prison. They could, like you said, the daily fines. So usually the first order, you hope that they're going to do the right thing and get out within a day or two of that order. And now there's just another layer of an order from a judge. Somebody advised me that it was an attorney. Who knew about these types of situations said, notifying the Department of Social Services as to the checks to the individuals that go there, if they're in an illegal setting, can we notify them and stop the payment on those? So I'll bring that up as well. Thank you. So yes, it is on for tomorrow. This is the guy with about 21 homes between Nassau and Suffolk County? That's what he reported when he was in court. So yeah. Let's make it 20. Yeah, exactly. So that will keep everyone updated on what happens tomorrow. Thank you. Anything else? Thank you very much. Yep, no problem. Have a good day. That's it. The last matter we have for open session is matters surrounding the monthly town clerk report with town clerk Jim Wooten. Good morning. How are you, Jim? Very good. Busy morning. This morning finishing up from the town board meeting. It's been a pretty steady board meeting. I'm glad you're here. What's the date? August actually with the start of hunting season so we got a lot of hunting licenses coming in. Nothing out of the ordinary. 25 births last month. 39 deaths so we're behind on that so we're not quite backfilling as we should. Now with the recent we made a decision or at least I'd like to talk about the decision we talked about this morning was with the fact that Diane no longer is in town with me. So we're going to keep that in mind. Thank you. coordinator I'd like to take over the invocation calendar a relationship with Rivet clergy council so I think it would be easier for me to go ahead and create that calendar now that Diane is not here to make sure we had somebody that would be appreciated thank you I'll run the calendar for the rest of the year okay that was what happened that's but respectfully they don't want Reverend Wooten on every single yeah no although I you know I do have a staple if it was you know I get it neither do I honestly you do a great job thank you for when you know the other thing that we're discussing with the town attorney and with the town attorney's office is right now we're building permits a lot of even a simple building permits are not going to be a good thing for the town authorities so we're going to have a lot of people that are going to be interested in the building permit just a bill the shed or the deck and you need notarized signatures and nobody knows why that is I think that goes way back so I'm looking for an opinion on that so I got the door and Eric and Karen and we're going to discuss that because it's hard to find a notice of time Carol's out we got to chase people all over this building but whether it's Dion up in personnel or maybe Karen oh shoot oh so sometimes it's not even a notary around wondering how and why is that even needed to have a notarized signature on a building permit? You know, so we're looking to see if that's something that maybe we could just, like, figure out, just to take the pressure off my offices. We could be working somebody to show you their ID and you sign as a witness. Yeah, I mean, if you got an ID and you sign in front of them, I mean, as long as you can prove who you are. So we're looking to maybe curb that a little bit, because there is a lot of pressure in our office. We could tie up at the end of the month, we're doing things, and then council's got to jump up to notarize something. And then the people get upset when council's not there. Oh, geez, I got sent down here. It is what it is, but we'll deal with that. Can't you just have a section, you know, they present photo ID and you write down what photo ID they presented, and, you know, it's better than a notary. Copy their license and staple it to the application. That's what we do when you come in for a birth certificate or whatever. We copy your license. That's what we do. But that's it. We're having a fun time with the new website today. We posted the horse state public hearing that we're going to do in October. I'm looking. We're redesigning the town clerk website. After I posted the public hearing for, I guess, the Zenith building, I went to look for it. I said, let me go look. What? I couldn't find it. I said, where the heck did you get it? I said, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. We're trying to make an easier segue for the public to go ahead and find out what they're looking for, whether it's a yard sale or whether it's... Yeah, that should be under the, you know, I like the how do I find. Right, and that's where we're putting it. And that's where, you know, you click on that and that will pop up. That's exactly where. Yeah, great. And there's going to be also a drop down on the top of the page. Good. But that's it. You guys are doing a good job. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. I like that. You're ready, huh? We are. Before I close up work session, does anybody have any announcements you want to make or reiterate anything from last night? I have a couple here. I would just like to say that it is halfway to St. Patrick's Day today. And there'll be a practice parade next week. Yeah, just East End Arts again. Yeah. This. This weekend. And I would suggest people come down. Okay. I really actually do have something to say. Halloween Fest is going to be on October 25th. There'll be more details to come. But I'm excited about it. And Main Street Agency is going to be running that for us. So we're hoping for success just like Live on 25. Very good. I'm excited. Very good. That's a fun one. We know it. That is definitely a fun one. Do you have any announcements? I guess we could reiterate again. Our back for October 18th. And so we've got some great event. Family, friends, come on down, support our back and see the new plans and get a lawn sign and make a donation to show support. These are the very individuals that save your lives every day. Very good. Saturday, September 20th. Racetrack Knot Street from 1 p.m. to 10 p.m. And Sunday, September 21st. Drag and Go Karts, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. And that's all up at the 7,000-foot runway at Epco. All right. With that, I'd like to make a motion to close work session and go back into exec session. We're done. Okay. Is that it? After the meeting, yes. Okay. Yeah. Motion to close open session? Some of it. Work session? Negative. All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Okay. Work session is closed. Everybody have a great weekend. We'll see you next week.

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