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Thank you. Good morning everybody. Today is absolutely Thursday, July 23rd. For some reason I had Wednesday on my mind. Before we go any further, let's stand and say the pledge. Councilman Rothwell, will you lead us in the pledge of the war? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, sir. So I have a few announcements, but before I go any further, does any of the council people have announcements they'd like to share today? I do. Okay. And I meant to bring this up at the town board meeting the other night, and I can't believe that I just forgot. Alive on 25 is back again for 2026, August 6th, which is a Thursday night, 5 o'clock downtown. It's going to be a wonderful event. We have so many vendors and hope that everybody can come out and join us. The following one will be in September. Another exciting thing is I was in a meeting this week with two great people, Bruce Tria and, oh, my goodness. I just lost my train of thought. And Lisa Pickersgill, oh, my gosh. And whenever you hear her name, you know that the Lions Club is involved. and we are teasing everybody with the idea of bringing back the Blues Festival. So that was a fan favorite for people from Riverhead and all over, and we'd like to bring it down to Grangeville Park and have a wonderful evening. So stay tuned for more details about that. But this has been over a decade since we've had that here in town. So I will be working with them to make that possible and bring it back. So I'm really excited about that. Thank you so much for the update. Anyone else? Yes, I'm just going to remind everybody because August is right around the corner. August 1st is the Cardboard Boat Race here at the Blaconic. It's going to be a phenomenal event. It always is. And also on August 4th is National Night Out. That's the police department gets together with everybody in the community, and everyone just has a really good time. It's going to be here in the Town Square parking lot, and there's free food and free ice cream, I believe. So it should be a really great night. It's going to be a great night. And also on the 25th, we have two things going on. Our recreation is an open skate from 1215 to 145. You can register online through our recreation department. And the paddle battle will be happening down on the Peconic River at 9 a.m. And I believe it's tonight, the Shakespeare in the Park. All is well that ends well. Sorry, were you? No, it is tonight. Yep, okay. Anything? Did you have anything else? All right. Thank you. So with those wrapped up, we have our very first matter with open session today, Matters Surrounding Possible Private Special Event Legislation with Waskey, Thomas, Howard, and Downs. So if all of you would come on down, it would be awesome. Join us at the table. Thank you. Yep.

Hi. Hey, good morning. Good morning. So as you guys make your way to the table, let me start by saying that this is something that has been kicking around since I woman I feel like I have inherited this we have spent two and a half years of my time working on this legislation and I don't know which one of you would like to take the helm at this point and lay out what we've been working on I just want to say this you know I have gone over and over this with the AG committee they need this to go back to them number one number two I will point out in the special event application there is a section in the existing application for private property and I would recommend that what we do is just add an addendum in the existing special event code right to where on private property you get eight and with the ability to go to 12 because most of what's in the special event application fire marshal blah blah blah blah is in the application that i know you spent a lot of of time preparing so the AG committee needs to go back to them at this point so you know this if it has not already it is going back to them and to I can also just say that because I'm the liaison to the business advisory committee that's what I know they were upset that if there was you know I had just received this as well so reviewing it together with you but you know the last meeting I did not have anything so they are certainly asking and they would like to have them take a look at it to kind of make their own recommendations and so forth as well so yeah no no absolutely and they are we did discuss this at the last code revision meeting the idea is to get this to the entire board for discussion this is the only way that we're able to do that as a full board and with Councilwoman Merrifield and myself being the liaisons to code revision. There's things that have been discussed that probably, Bob, you're not privy to. So if we can give it to Dawn and the team and let them explain what we've been going over, I think that that's a great start. Sure. I understand everybody's situations. And I prepared a PowerPoint presentation that we're just going to go over today to kind of outline the whole law. I'm not going to go through every single line item of the law, but just kind of outline what we've been through. I would just, just historically speaking, when, and I'm really dragging it back, but when I became town attorney in 2000, we looked at our public special event code, and at that time, the private special events were getting permits for events like weddings and things. And so when we looked strictly at the language of the code, it was evident that the private special events weren't really actually qualified to get that permit. And we literally, since that time, talked about creating a private special event opportunity because there are the wedding industry and the economy surrounding that was growing and was an important part of the agricultural draw to the East End. And then during the course of that time, we also had issues with technically illegal private special events taking place in different areas of town in different zoning codes and creating a need for code enforcement and sometimes actual litigation. And so we felt that the board's kind of the path was either we can shut them all down and not allow it, or we can embrace the economic opportunity that was forthcoming from it, but manage the potential adverse impacts to community members that were being created by some of those events. And so this code, Rich's code, and Eric, and the law department, and me in community development all dealt with this feeling that we think that the economic benefit to the community and tourism is pretty exceptional, but how do we help the applicants manage a smooth process and not overburden them, which I know that that's what the business advisory committee is concerned about and then how do we make make it available to people and also it's not a cost to the taxpayers because the work that's being done to manage the events that are technically not permitted costs so that's really how we got here so just I totally agree with you that I you know but again there is there's private events and I think I went through the code and and we're co-mingling it with agriculture which to me and and I think what needs to be understood that first of all everybody think people see the traffic light as hell right people are that's one thing but it's a promotional tool when you have a when you have a private event on an agricultural and agricultural situation you're selling your products I completely understand the the properties that were identified that were not agricultural and I totally agree with those locations but to commingle agriculture with those locations the AG committee is absolutely against it was pretty clear that maybe they had kind of misunderstood I gave them all this stuff just so you know I mean if you just I'd like to just explain where we were we they were kind of feeling for some reason that they were limited in the number of events I could have and that wasn't the case and the code that was written because but most importantly we emphasized the need for them to make sure that the events that are held in structures that are typically utilized for public assembly were safe and so So that was really the thrust of the code. And I think from their point of view, and I think they acknowledged even at that discussion that we had, that certainly they don't want to put anybody in jeopardy having an event, even if it's an agricultural event on agricultural property. So that was kind of the thrust of it, making sure that people were safe going to these events. And so that's kind of it. I think that's what, and I hope that today's discussion will clarify a lot of things, just because the farming community has great concerns about how it affects them financially. Yes, of course. And I haven't had anything really to answer their questions, you know, to be forthright with them, because it's not something I've obviously been a part of. It's coming from code revision. But that's the concern, is that we'll look at how it directly affects the farming community. You did bring a version of it to Ag Advisory and Business Advisory, because you asked me when I first was in to sit in it. So, I mean, I think this discussion has been going. I did. Yeah. No, I did not. That's not correct. I did. You and I sat in a meeting together. The important, to your point, Doctor, anybody on ag that's going to do, if they're doing a wedding and they're putting up a tent, they don't do it without the fire marshal inspecting the tent. They don't do it without all those inspections already. So, this is not going to make. required to do that but it's not all it's not always done we've had multiple events that were you know not permitted and not inspected well that's where code comes in and gives them a fine you know I know we'd like to not give them a fine I'm going to tell you that this needs to go back let's bring the people in from business advisory and academic. Rich. And a lot of this presentation might answer a lot of the questions that you have. Yes. So we'll run through it. All right, so thanks for giving us time today. What I'd like to do is walk everyone through the proposed Chapter 255 legislation. Before I jump into the presentation, I just want to make one point because I think it's important. When people hear the term private event, the first thing that actually comes to mind is birthday parties, graduation parties, family barbecues, and backyard gatherings. That's not what we're talking about today. Today's presentation focuses on qualifying reoccurring private events or venues for hire that fall within the scope of Chapter 255. As you'll see through the presentation, the proposed legislation contains a number of exemptions and isn't intended to regulate ordinary residential activities or interfere with normal agricultural production or operations. This proposal was developed through a collaborative effort involving multiple town departments and offices. So if there are questions come up as we go, one of us can certainly jump in and address them. Okay, with that being said, we'll move to slide two. Before getting into the details, I just want to explain what we'd like to accomplish today. This isn't intended to be a line by line review of the proposed legislation. Rather it's an overview of how Chapter 255 came together. it was developed, what it is intended to regulate, what it is not intended to regulate, and how the proposed permitting process would work. As we go through the presentation, please feel free to stop me if you have any questions or if you'd like me to expand on a topic. I hope that we could kind of wait until the end of the presentation for the questions. We'll just move through the slides. stop why is this legislation needed big question the town already regulates many different land uses but reoccurring private including special events so the town does regulate special events which are open to the public but reoccurring private events have never been governed by one comprehensive framework chapter 55 brings that process together by establishing clear expectations for applicants, predictable protections for neighboring properties, owners, and objective standards that allow town staff to administrate the law consistently. This legislation isn't responding to one property or one complaint. it's about creating a fair predictable framework that can be applied consistently whenever qualifying reoccurring private events are proposed once we identified the regulatory gap the next question became whether the town has the authority to establish this type of permitting framework The municipal authority under Ag and Markets Law 305-AA. We recognize from the current outset that agriculture receives important protections under state law. Those protections were a guiding consideration throughout the drafting process. The intent was never to conflict with the state law. Municipalities still have the authority to adopt reasonable regulations that protect the public health, safety, and welfare. Chapter 255 is designed to strike that balance. It recognizes and respects agricultural protections while addressing the impacts of qualifying reoccurring private events. This legislation does not regulate farming. I want to reiterate, it does not regulate farming. It regulates the land use and the operational impacts associated with qualifying reoccurring private events that are applicable with the state law. With that authority in mind, the next question became, what exactly is missing from our current regulatory framework? This is where the practical need for Chapter 255 becomes apparent. The issue isn't just the event itself, it's the operational impacts that can extend beyond the property. Regulations don't address these impacts under one coordinated framework. These impacts can include traffic, parking, noise, lighting, emergency access, and neighborhood compatibility. Different departments may become involved, but there hasn't been one comprehensive set of standards to evaluate these reoccurring private events, which are happening all over the town right now. Chapter 255 brings those considerations together in one predictable process. So the goal here is to identify and address potential issues before they become problems rather than responding after complaints are received now that we've discussed the legit why the legislation was needed I'd like to to move and to discuss what chapter 255 actually does

in the following sections we will discuss the major provisions of the proposed law. I'll highlight the key concepts rather than every detail. We'll look at how the ordinance is organized and how the different pieces work together. Let's start with the first component. This is the foundation of Chapter 255. The goal was to create one comprehensive permitting framework. currently there is no single process governing qualifying reoccurring private events chapter 255 fills that gap the framework in itself establishes objective standards that everyone can can understand and follow it provides applicants with a predictable review process it also provides neighboring property owners with predictable protections most importantly it gives the town staff a consistent process to administer rather than relying on a case-by-case interpretations this framework is designed to protect the public health the safety and welfare while also providing clear and transparent permitting process

what this law does not regulate this is an important slide So before discussing what's exempt, which I will cover on the next slide, it's important to understand that Chapter 255 has a very specific and limited purpose. This law only applies to qualifying reoccurring private events that are commercialized. It is not intended to regulate everyday activities and it is not intended to prohibit farming or normal agricultural production as defined in state law. So the question isn't whether an event exists, it's whether it falls within the scope of Chapter 255. And also, just to point out, it also does not cover or it does not, it's not about protecting agritourism activities it's not about that i just want you to be saying agriculture i want to make sure that just if you could repeat that again does not regulate agricultural production or protected agritourism activities correct it's a specific exemption i'll get into that in the next slide so next we'll get into some of the exceptions as uh councilman merrifield just suggested um just Just as important as identifying what requires a permit, Chapter 255 clearly identifies what does not. These exemptions establish the boundaries of the legislation and provide certainty for applicants and the public and the town staff. activities such as qualifying agritourism, ordinary residential gatherings, those are your backyard barbecues, your grad parties, are identified in Chapter 255 and remain exempt. Other qualifying uses, including certain restaurants, catering establishments, bars, houses of worship, also continue to operate under the existing approvals and regulations. They are exempt. So they do not require a permit. So any bars, restaurants, downtown area, you have a little catering section in your restaurant, you do not require to have a private event permit. And neither does legitimate agritourism. Yes. The exemptions are just as important as the permitting requirements because they establish clear boundaries for the legislation and help avoid unnecessary regulation. So now that we've covered the activities that are exempt, let's look into who this legislation is intended to benefit. So who benefits? A well-defined permitting process benefits more than just the applicant. Property owners know what's expected before submitting an application. The review process is transparent and predictable. is working from the same standards applicants benefit because they understand the requirement up front neighbors benefit because they are established safeguards and operational standards town departments benefits by using one coordinated review process with objective criteria The goal is to create a process that is fair, consistent, and predictable for everyone involved, not to create unnecessary obstacles.

Traditional zoning wasn't really designed to address reoccurring private events, unfortunately. Chapter 255 creates a defined pathway for qualifying events while establishing the standards needed to ensure they operate responsibly. Instead of simply determining whether a use is permitted, Chapter 255 gives qualifying property owners a clear permitting process where one may not otherwise exist. And we have situations like that right now. In exchange, applicants must comply with the operational standards that address issues like, as I discussed before, the traffic, the parking, the lighting, the noise, and neighborhood compatibility. This approach provides opportunities for qualifying applicants while ensuring appropriate safeguards remain in place. Okay, life safety is a fundamental part of every event review. Fire Marshal plays an important role in the coordinated review process here. Their focus is protecting attendees, neighboring properties, and emergency responders. The review looks at the issues such as occupancy, emergency vehicle access, fire and life safety requirements and other operational considerations appropriate for the proposed event. Where authorized by law, temporary approvals may be used when appropriate while still maintaining oversight. The goal isn't simply to issue permits, it's to make sure qualifying reoccurring private events can operate safely. Did I skip a slide here? Okay. One annual application. We have designed the code to accept one annual application for multiple events throughout the year. One annual event schedule for multiple events. So there is no need to submit separate application for every qualifying private event. This approach reduces paperwork for applicants. It also reduces the administrative burden on town staff. reviewing recurrent events together the town can evaluate the overall operation while still maintaining the appropriate oversight the objective is to make the permitting process not more difficult but more efficient and not complicated Annual Event Schedule. The Annual Event Schedule gives both the applicant and the town a roadmap for the year. Submitted once each year with the permit application, this identifies the proposed recurring private events, allows the town to review the operation as a whole. Knowing the proposed event schedule in advance helps departments coordinate the review. It provides predictability for both the applicant and the town. If changes become necessary during the year, the legislation includes a process for handling those changes. The annual schedule isn't intended to make the process more rigid. intended to make it more organized and predictable coordinated department review no single department can review every aspect of a reoccurring private event that's why chapter 255 uses a coordinated review process built into the law chapter 255 establishes one coordinated review process the fire Marshal plays a central role in reviewing the fire and life safety aspects while other town departments participate as needed with their respective areas of expertise. So there may be an application where code enforcement has to review it for a noise mitigation or there may be a situation where planning department has to review it for parking. This coordinated approach promotes consistency improves communication between departments and provides advocates with the more efficient review process operational standards are the practical safeguards that help reoccurring private events operate responsibly while protecting surrounding neighborhoods chapter 255 establish that these standards focus on how an event operates they address the real-world issues that commonly arise with reoccurring private events. The standards are applied consistently to qualifying events. The goal is to identify potential impacts before they become problems. The standards address track of traffic, parking, lighting, fire, and life safety and sanitation, emergency access, crowd management, and overall site operations. These are practical operational considerations designed to protect both the public and the neighboring properties. The purpose of these standards is not to prevent events, it's to establish reasonable expectations so qualifying events can operate safely, responsibly, and consistently.

This is Councilman Kern's favorite one, probably. Oh, good. Looking forward to it. Outside noise. Yeah. It's one of the most common concerns associated with recurring private events. So Chapter 55 provides a framework for reasonable mitigation. Every property is different. There is no one-size-fits-all solution. The objective is to reduce impacts on surrounding properties where appropriate. Depending on the site and the proposed event, mitigation measures may include things such as speaker orientation, locating entertainment away from nearby residences, sound absorbing materials or temporary sound barriers where appropriate. Other reasonable operational measures can be also made. The appropriate mitigation will depend on the characteristics of the property and the surrounding area. The objective is compatibility, not prohibition. The goal is to identify practical solutions that allow qualifying, reoccurring private events to operate responsibly while respecting neighborhood properties. That word didn't come out right. The annual event limitations are intended to strike a balance between opportunities for qualifying applicants and the protection of surrounding neighborhoods while preserving the integrity of the town's zoning framework. The legislation establishes a general annual event limit of eight events per calendar year and up to 12 events with a waiver. so this is something that councilman current had brought up regarding the caps right the event limitation aware of it when it's on when it's non agriculture I think you need to be specific when you say that you know that the eight is not an act yes this whole code is not going to apply to agricultural production so it's not the limit provides predictability for applicants neighboring property owners and the town it also helps distinguish incidental reoccurring private events from a more intensive commercial event the event venue standpoint so I think we can agree that there's agricultural protection production and then in some cases not all but you may have a situation where a building just becomes a commercial event venue as opposed to ag production so qualifying wineries vineyards and farm breweries operate under the a distinct legal framework and are not subject to the general annual event limitations established by chapter 255. These are established principal agricultural land uses that have already undergone the appropriate land use review for their operations. Although they are not subject to the general annual event limitations, recurring private events that fall within the scope of Chapter 255 and are not agricultural production must still comply with the chapter's permitting requirements. operational standards, fire monster review, and enforcement provisions. Chapter 255 recognizes the unique legal status of these agricultural operations while ensuring qualifying recurring private events continue to operate under appropriate public safety and operational standards. Chapter 255 is not intended to regulate agricultural production That's probably the seventh time I said that. It recognizes the existing legal framework for qualifying agriculture operations while ensuring reoccurring private events are conducted safely and responsibly.

ZBA waiver process. Chapter 255 authorizes the Zoning Board of Appeals to consider limited waivers for specific provisions of this chapter under certain circumstances. The legislation identifies three areas where a waiver may be required. Annual event limitations, attendance limitations, and the 500-foot residential buffer requirement. Each waiver request is reviewed individually by the Zoning Board of Appeals. The applicant must satisfy the objective standards established in 255. The Board evaluates each request based on the facts and circumstances of the specific property and the proposal. A waiver is not an automatic entitlement and does not waive the entire chapter. Any waiver granted must remain consistent with the purpose and intent of the legislation while protecting surrounding properties. The waiver process provides flexibility for the unique circumstances while preserving the overall framework and intent of Chapter 255. We're almost getting to the end. Hang in there. We've now covered the permitting process and operational requirements. This final section explains how Chapter 255 is administered, enforced, and applied consistently to protect both the applicants and the public. Let's look at the first one of the foundational principles of Chapter 255, objective standards. Chapter 255 establishes objective standards that promote consistent, transparent, and predictable decision-making for applicants, town staff, and the public.

Chapter 255 is intentionally drafted as a comprehensive framework rather than a single permitting requirement. It brings the various review operational safety and enforcement provisions together into one coordinated process by establishing all of the above clear definitions, objective permit requirements, operational standards, public safety safeguards, due process protections, enforcement procedures, and appeals and administrative consistency. Chapter 255 establishes presumptive evidence and enforcement tools needed. This section of the code provides the enforcement tools needed to administer Chapter 255 consistently and fairly while helping establish violations when objective evidence exists. Like any local law, Chapter 255 includes enforcement provisions to encourage compliance and provide the town with the tools necessary to address violations when they occur. The goal is education first, as always, compliance second, and enforcement only when necessary. The purpose of the permit fees is to recover the reasonable administrative costs associated with reviewing and administering the program, not to generate revenue. These activities require staff time across multiple functions and the goal is for those costs to be borne by the applicants utilizing the program rather than the general taxpayer

and this slide is just an example slide the fee schedule hasn't been totally discussed it illustrates how the permitting program could be administered and is intended to recover the the town's administrative costs not to generate revenue. The town board ultimately determines any fees through the legislative process.

I'll let you digest that.

Annual event, annual private event permit fee up to eight events. Sometimes some operations might not be able to plan out their entire year. So is it $500 if they come up with four events and then schedule additional ones in the future? I think the $500 would cover the eight, as the law suggests, and if you're going to have any more than eight. If you're a qualifying... I can make a second final. an addendum. It's a flat fee. Yes. When you end up, you thought you had eight, but you have five. You can't come back for a refund. Right. Got it. So the fees aren't set in stone. Those are just something, you know, for example purposes.

Okay, benefits of Chapter 255. Chapter 255 proposes a balanced framework that protects neighborhoods, supports applicants, promotes public safety, and gives the town a clear and consistent process for administering reoccurring private events.

In closing, Chapter 255 is intended to provide a clear, fair, and balanced framework for reoccurring private events, one that supports applicants, protects neighboring properties, promotes public safety, and provides the town with a consistent and objective process for administering and enforcement.

And that's it. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you for your time, Matt. That was good. if you have any questions which I know you do we're up here to address them have you developed a sample application I have yes sure I have a lot of questions I think I definitely concur I think it needs to go back to our committees you know the umbrella of it all councilman Rothwell asked about date changes you know embedding that in there for you know rain dates within the 8 and then the variation of the 12 in a meeting I was in earlier this year where the AG advisory and the business advisory were there someone brought up and said we should and once this is done it was a different part of legislation that Bob did throw to them but I do recall councilman Rothwell being there and he actually said we should provide a guide for what they should do what would make it possible I think you remember you were there and a few others of us and so during that discussion about this because he asked me if I'd put this forward and I have not and I do think that was a good idea to be able to provide something so but maybe I was mistaken because I did think he was there I was for the current chapter 255 for what is in place so what people need to do or don't need to do so I think that would be a I think that would be a positive if they could see step by step of how to do it yeah rather than just seeing this and seeing something that you know is all that knows you know and is litigious and but is it as a guide to walk them through and I also think if we're going to you know when we come back around to this the next work session is bringing the clerk in if they're going to be asked to administer this you know permitting process to make sure their eyes are on it too but i think more eyes would be helpful to it just to get it flushed out so that's why i just point out that this is a new uh function of the 255 but forever every public special event that takes place in the town gets a public special event permit and a lot of those are not-for-profits and those permits are very simply and easily administered and approved and you and you see them in every time would pack and so you know the fact that those events have impacts on and cost the taxpayers because we have to work on them and make sure that they're safe for everybody but the public benefits from those they get to go to those events and so it makes perfect sense we had these private special events that were causing the same issues in terms of review or enforcement and it was sort of a very uneven situation for us because some of them they were all in different zoning districts they were all doing different things but we wound up getting complaints and those complaints sort of drove us to how can we manage this better like we do with public special events those go off pretty easily they're well managed they're very safe this is the parallel to that it's not really anything new in that sense from our point of view how it gets handled it's just that it is applying to a different thing that has grown as an industry and just to give you an example on the one you know if an agricultural production issue event so a winery can sell their products at their winery and use an event to promote it like a wedding they could also use a public event to promote it. So those would not be limited in terms of the number of promotional events they could host on the property. But the potential impacts, for instance, if they use a barn structure, which isn't typically permissible for public assembly but can be temporarily outfitted to accommodate that event safely, is really the thing that we're kind of concerned about. We see, I think, multiple different types of situations where we're like, you know, that. And from the farmer point of view, it's a protection because the farmer needs to know. And maybe it's a very simple thing to put up a tent and host an event. But then if something happens, and I think there was a big event upstate where the floor of the barn collapsed and some people were injured in that kind of situation, you know, to make sure that it comports with safety, that the noises aren't going to create calls to the PD and issues for the – it's a great economic boost to the North Fork and to Riverhead to have these events. Every time there's a wedding, there's a hotel stay, there's restaurants, there's caterers, there's photographers, If it's not permitted technically, we limit the amount of potential benefit that could come to the area and exposure to the public of the North Fork for tourism purposes. I think that it's important to emphasize what you said, Rich, that these events are happening all over town. And except for violations through code enforcement, we have no way to control them. So it's so important to realize that people are going to do this no matter what. And if we have something in place that's firm, that gives direction to the people looking to do these events, it benefits everybody. I just want to add to Mr. Howard, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the town, We're aware these things are happening. We don't have some kind of mechanism to control this. It's potential liability for the town if accidents or incidents occur. Is that correct? Maybe. I mean, it would depend on the specific circumstances. I think the main point here to take away is that this amendment creates a permitting process to permit uses on properties or add properties that wouldn't otherwise be allowed to do that. So where you would normally get code violations for continuing to use a particular structure or have a certain quantity of people or create noise violations and so on, this creates a process to eliminate those violations provided the town is getting the information and ensuring, like Rich said, the life safety features and noise mitigation measures and those sorts of things. of things in order to protect the greater community. It's safe to say that focusing on, obviously you've mentioned not farming, because farming is agricultural properties can be incorporated in every aspect of a wedding, whether you're going flowers, it's the bouquets, if it's wine, it's wine, if it's food, it's the dinner served and so forth. Is your intention really focusing on a property that is not farmed, but maybe if somebody owns a sprawling area that is not farmed in any capacity and they hold multiple events throughout the year is that kind of your primary focus this has been an ongoing situation and there's and it's not necessarily a bad thing that these that the the economy is driving those kinds of things to happen i think it's a great economic benefit uh to the town but there weren't permitted so this really expands the opportunity to host events where they weren't formally permitted at all the wineries are one thing they have permissions and many of them have buildings that are already outfitted for public assembly and and they've done that work this isn't intended to do any anything to change that but it's it's expanding the opportunity to host these kind of events in a safe and expanding for who for for none i agree with you none and and i want to just be really clear because rich i know you and i spent a lot of time on this as well and i am in absolute favor of non-agriculture because we all know it's happening that this happens immediately for non-agriculture. I am also in favor of anybody in agriculture who's close to, I am very much about the noise mitigation, and there are simple, effective, inexpensive ways for them to do that, which I know is a separate issue. My concern is this. I don't want agriculture involved in this at all. I agree with everybody in terms of we all know that there are actors out there who are doing this and we need to get on top of this right the when you do a blanket and I'm gonna I'll just give an example here's a place they have a big open field they're not in agriculture right so they apply for their eight events so they do one we do it today we do a tent inspection which is additional right and for three weeks that tent comes down and then they do one two weeks later they need to be aware that that blanket application doesn't give them the ability to put another tent up without an inspection I just want to make sure there's no loopholes there isn't the tad permit is separate and distinct from the law so they still would have to apply for a tent permit yeah it's required by the fire I mean that's when anybody could put a single tent up for 180 days and for the most part cover their entire you know months for events They would be subject to this law, ACAP 12. Yeah, and I'm all in favor of that group. I'm not in favor of this being in any way commingled with agriculture because with agriculture, anybody, whether it's wineries that get their 180-day tent permit and they are good to go. There are wineries that have buildings that have sprinkler systems and have been inspected, get annual inspections, and they're good to go. This doesn't really apply to them. I don't care if they have a high. And the other thing is, just having done that, and I was around back in whatever it was, 2004 to 2006, when the town wanted to limit agriculture to eight events. We had to go to Ag and Markets. We had to go to the SLA in order to fight this town on that particular topic. So I'm very familiar with it. I love the idea of regulating the people that are non-agriculture doing this ad nauseum. We've got to also agree that there's an operational gray area even within the wineries. I need to know what that is. I want to know what that is. I need to know what that is. There is one there. Some of the wineries have even. You can tell me offline. I'd like to know what it is. I think that's important. outside of the scope of act production, you know, as defined in the state. You know, keep one thing in mind, and I just know this from running an operation for a decade, that anything that we did during the day, traffic coming in, that was gravy. But you constantly need to come up with things. When we first came out, we had the company that invented it out there, and we had TV screens set up. That brought a lot of business to us, again, hundreds of events. But this resolution doesn't require an agricultural – they're going to apply as an agricultural applicant, and we're not going to demand any financial proof of anything from them. It's not required as part of the application. But I don't even want to – you know, if their barn is approved, it's their barn to use. they don't need to submit to this to me it makes perfect sense if you're not in agriculture we know what's going on that these people need to file a permit for their aid events and get a waiver for four more if you designed an application it would have to be bold right on the top of it if you are an active farm in agricultural production you are exempt from this application that would be straightforward and so that would give them the complete coverage of understanding that I own and operate a farm. I do not need to worry about this process. Yeah, that doesn't mean that they don't. You can apply and identify your events, but you wouldn't be limited by the 8 to 12. That's the difference because if you have the barn structure. I don't want to pay fees. I'm already in a production of a farm, so I don't want to be financial. Most farms, most, let's just call it broccoli, tomatoes, potatoes, most farms that are doing that aren't going to probably be enticed to do wedding venues. They might be. But this law would allow that to happen, though. Yeah, but expanding agritourism opportunities. Wait a second. Rich, I'm sorry to interrupt, but if I'm growing tomatoes, right, and I'm growing broccoli, And then I have another crop that I just harvested, and somebody wants to do a wedding on my farm. Okay, so, well. Are you putting potatoes on the tables? Or beet? Beet? Well, there's a gray area. As you know, in ag and markets law, there's a specific definition as to what is an agricultural operation when you have an event to promote your product. I think it would be important. And that's serving tomato juice. As long as it's more than 50% of the cost, you know, as long as you're selling more tomato juice than you're charging for the wedding, you're absolutely fine. You're only allowed, you can't go over 15% of income on your gross, and I don't know anybody who does that. It will also be vital that as they apply, not only the header being there, but if for some odd reason it's an incorporated farm, that they don't wind up in that cyclone of paperwork. And then they're either lost in that or they get stuck in there and we go out and do all the inspections and we're like, well, I think we need to make sure that on our back end that they're constantly filtered out. that they're not put through this, that their path of lease resistance for them to do it, and that they follow the exit market. But again, that's why I think it should go through those committees and come back to us. I think this is a starting point, and that would be helpful. I think you're 90% there. In terms of the non-act stuff, I think you're there 100%. And I would get that thing going by Tuesday. The exemptions are already built into the law. if you're a production as defined in the state state code you don't need to file and tell you how many events they're doing because they pop up all the time like that people who are doing eight they know what their eight are and that's the get i get get off agriculture and get the thing done for people that are not ag why are we joining them together so what are you saying is that anybody any property that's agriculture can have a commercial event venue without any permitting process at all not at all rich you know you know as well no wait rich wait a second if somebody's having if somebody if somebody if if they put a tent up you know they're going to use that tent all season they get their temperament for 180 days if they have a building that's already been inspected and it has an occupancy they know that they can be in there and use that building for the season just to make you know just illustrate your point so they put the tent up and they put the parking area nearest the most residential property without realizing that when everyone shows a noise complaint okay but then it's a then it's a rather than come and say hey here's the plan here's what from a fire safety point of view how are the fire trucks getting in we want to make sure that that layout of the plot plan for that event is protected so jump to don't you know I'm sorry to interrupt but you'd have to show me which farm doesn't already have that in place I mean we've dealt with litigation on multiple different events over the years and that's the same operation or different ones different operation I will okay I'd like to I was like a list of those when you get a chance thank you just you know concerned in terms of protecting the farmers if someone you know last minute wants to have a gathering I'm fictitious rotary decides they want to have a get-together event at the local vineyard and they're gonna go over there and the money that they raise is gonna go to a other nonprofit or something like that if it's gonna be held at a vineyard or something I want the vineyard to feel like you know in terms of harmony oh wait I have to go and apply for event to have to do stuff But that's a public special event. They wouldn't get a 255 for that anyhow. They would already get a public special event permit because you're selling a ticket the public can attend it. So that's already within the law. But my point on this fictitious wedding venue is, you know, you have a parcel of agricultural land that's an act of ag production, and the farmer wants to have an ag production promotional event and uses the site for a wedding, there's a good location for the tent but we want to make sure that the noise mitigation is in place before they start the parking is a tent you know that it's not people aren't backing out onto sound avenue that um that the fire trucks can get into the event very simply and that that you know i mean we've had complaints as simple as there's a dumpster near the fence near a residential property and in the morning after the event 500 bottles go into the dumpster and wake everybody up and so those are the kinds of things that we could avoid by doing this it's a and once you do it once you lay out your plot plan you're done what that's it you never have to do it again to me there's easier ways of doing this so they want to put a tent so in that regard you say we want to know okay you're applying for a tent permit we want to know where the parking is going to be where the dumps is going to be where the emergency exit is going to be you're done there's no process now for that to make that part of the process of the tent that's exactly what this does it creates a site plan so that everyone can review it to make sure it's safe but but the 255 that we currently use for not-for-profits people get them done super quick the not-for-profit agency where people are volunteering to create an event do them very simply it's It's the same exact type of thing. It's literally the same exact thing. It's not overcomplicated. I think, you know, we're... I don't disagree with you when it comes to non-agricultural operations. I completely agree 100%. When we have to send code out at night, when PD gets called multiple times on events, we're spending overtime on personnel, then we're doing litigation to, you know, it's costly. I just want to see the list and then see who the, you know, 100% agree with you on non-agriculture. I'm for it. Well, it sounds like we have some work to do, so I'm glad this was a discussion, unless somebody else has something else. I want to make sure everybody has room to speak and give space for that. But other than that, I think we have a lot to chew on, get these back to the committees, and then we'll bring this back around as quick as possible. I appreciate all the work that you guys have done on this. Thank you. Yeah, Rich. That was his biggest presentation I've ever seen. I appreciate all the back and forth. We're not doing it again. We've had. Hey, I especially like your little puzzle pieces. I like the little fire truck or ambulance or something that he has. For our next open session item, I just want an update, and then we're probably going to move this to exec, but just to bring the Peconic Land Trust Matters Surrounding Preservation the 4-H camp. I've asked Julie Wisniewski to join us and Legislator Doroski to come up if he wants to just to have a quick discussion to make sure that we can move forward with Peconic Land Trust and work together with the county making sure that we want to do that together and bring this to exec for a discussion on contract price, all of that stuff. So thank you, Julie, for being here. I just wanted to give the board members a chance if I know we had talked about it We said we were in favor Just wanted to confirm that I'd given kind of a quick date update at the board meeting and I did want to ask One of our hurdles has been the buildings on the site So I did want the public to know we are gonna ask you to partner with us at least my feeling is Well, we just need to the content when we do the official negotiations of the contract we need to bring that into exec So I just want to make some right. We are we're ready to go into a contract Okay, then maybe not. I want to make it clear. When this was presented, I never said I was in favor of it. On a decision like this, I gave it a lot of thought, and I'll let you guys present. Good morning, by the way. What is the actual purchase price in the outline, if you could explain? What is the parameters of the deal? So let's put that forth. Okay. Well, before we jump in, I just am delighted to congratulate you all for paying off your CPF debt. that is just a phenomenal accomplishment. Same from you. To not farm money. A great step forward from the town of Riverhead. And I know I speak for everybody at the Land Trust when I say we are delighted to welcome you back as a preservation partner and hopefully many projects going forward. So kudos to you all. So you ask about the details. I just wanted to put this, I guess we'll put this map back up. We used it last time for people to see the section. Justin, if you could pull that up, the section that we've been asked to preserve. So what's the total acreage? We'll start there, I guess. So I guess, you know, and this is just a recap. I think that's a good idea. It's 145 total acres. Plus or minus. Yeah, plus or minus. You know, the survey is obviously still happening. Survey's pending, but they've done the field work. We'll know soon for sure. I think the way that we had discussed most recently about moving forward with this is the Suffolk County would preserve about 40 acres of farmland. Those are the two parcels on Sound Avenue. Riverhead Town, and I believe this is what you got an appraisal on, was approximately 36 acres that would extend the 15-acre preserve that you currently have on Sound Avenue. up to Long Island Sound, and then the Peconic Land Trust. How many acres for revenge? You said Suffolk County, 140 acres. So 145 total, plus or minus. Suffolk County is getting how many acres? 40 acres of farmland, and that's broken down into two different parcels. 40 acres total for the county. Yep. And then move ahead. It would be about 36 acres. And the Peconic Land Trust. Where is the 36 acres for? That's what I'm having to pull the map. But, Justin, come on. We had handed these out last time when we had this discussion. Yeah, I didn't bring it down. Greg, I'm sorry. You said 40 acres for the county for farmland and then 36 acres for Riverhead. Is that classified as farmland as well? No, that would be open space. So they can put it up a different way. Right back. And then the balance would be about 69 acres. So to be clear, the land trust is purchasing the entire 145 acres from Nassau County. The land trust portion of the 69 is going to be over space. We are dealing with Suffolk County for them to purchase the development rates on the farmland portion. That's a pecanic buys the whole thing. Yeah. yeah okay Suffolk County's been purchasing the development rights off the farmland so we should be in contract with Suffolk County we should be able to sign the contracts with Suffolk County in the next few days working with them on this since 2019 actually I think you know this is an important point here you know this is you know and I you raised in a recent video about the Venezia square parcel about just how long these preservation efforts take you know this is something that's been in the works since 2019 was actually talking to supervisor Krupski about his work on it you know the other day you know legislator Stark and councilwoman Woskie really worked with the county to get the the 40 acres of farmland locked in and you know I think this is where organizations like the Peconic Land Trust are so important because they kind of serve as that anchor while you know the people in office change and you know as I I look at this I've actually started to hear rumblings that are a little concerning to me that there's a group that's looking to develop it so I think it's it's really important for the public to know that the Peconic Land Trust is actually already in contract with Nassau County to purchase this site I have heard a few people tell me that know that you know folks have been calling Nassau County there's actually a developer who's toward the site looking to potentially break it down into two acre parcels I think their iconic land trust is in contract first of all that's an important bit of information but it is also important to figure out if Riverhead town is interested in these 36 acres or not so then you know peconic land trust can decide what's going on obviously that needs to probably be an executive session discussion looking at what your appraisal says uh discussing um you know as i see it as i've toured the site with the supervisor there are some structures on the site that obviously would need to be removed if it's passive open space you know discussing how that happens um but this really is you know decades of of time that have been put in on this preservation effort and you know as i said last time i was here i think this is really a once in a lifetime opportunity for the riverhead community to get you know an open space preserve that goes from sound avenue all the way to long island sound there's a great building kind of up on the sound front that could be used by the rec department or in south old town uh we've gone into partnerships with uh with group for the east end to manage some of these sites figure out something like that uh but you know we're really kind of close to the finish line here and figuring out you know if this is something you all want to do or not and and figuring out how to move this forward and then you know celebrating this is a win for everyone tell me what so the remaining 69 acres that the chronic land trust purchased how is that utilized is that open space left alone like tell me what happens so starting to get an idea how what the property looks like five ten years yeah that's really the hub of the camp operations and the intention here is that the camp will be able to remain and continue to operate the 4-h camp yes so the 4-h camp is going to stay there yes Can you point where that is on there? That portion of the property will also be preserved. It's not like they could decide not to open up the camp next year and sell it to a developer. So the entire property will end up, you know, preserved. How could they sell it if you're buying it? Right. So we're making the initial purchase, dealing with the county, hopefully dealing with you, working on the entire portion and then our intention is to turn over the hub of the camp area and probably a good chunk of the farmlands because that's really to their camp operation to convey it to them so is that a permissible use like in the words so if you're purchasing it's one the pecanic land trust side things you're purchasing the development rights a fee title for the whole but they're purchasing what is a permissible use so camping is a permissible use like does the 4-h go outside and did they bring in other entities does it become an RV park like what what happens like what is a permissible use for that 69 acres trying that's what I want to understand so who can come in there so farmers could come in there farm right on the farmland for each head paper We're not Nassau. It's over by Nassau County 4-H. If they said that look Suffolk County is too far. We got a beautiful place here in Nassau. We're gonna leave that camp. What remains as permissible use? What happens within that? So I get Suffolk County is gonna be passive recreation. Riverhead is open space, right? So that remains dormant as is. Just to be clear, Suffolk County is farmland. Yeah, that's what I said. yep so okay and riverhead's open space so it stays tell me i'm just trying to understand the content forgive me because no no i think the public wants to know what could happen there so what are the other uses that that you could potentially engage in let's talk about the most extreme uses obviously is what we're looking for so so it's all going to depend on the exact mechanism of what happens on that 60-ish acre portion of the property um we are we've been talking to new york state about a possible opportunity with them um and or there could be an easement on it held by the land trust but the idea here is for the camp and its operations to continue along with other activities consistent with Cornell Cooperative Extension's mission they do other things besides that eight weeks that camp is open there's like ROTC programs local schools utilize the site so all those sorts of uses would be allowed to remain to the councilman's point he's asking what's the worst case scenario that could happen on that property it feels like it's made a circle there's like rumblings of a KOA I've heard is gonna go in there that's one of the like campgrounds of America like so does the iconic land trust go well if the 4-h Club says hey we're not interested in more we're gonna go back to Nassau and the campgrounds of America want to come in and they want to make a deal with piling that that's what I'm trying to understand so what happens to the use of that property so the what's allowed under zoning currently under the re80 zoning that's right doesn't change but but that's what they're giving up here is the right to put all the houses that you could do under that I don't know if a campground is even allowed in that so I don't think it is. Well, they're camping now. I mean, so how, I mean, how, they have cottages. They're, I mean, up in that zone. So, I mean, I'm a little bit, I'm confused because it sounds like when the land trust normally buys land, right, you buy the land and the land is preserved, is preserved for farming, correct? Or can, on any farmland. Right, but I guess what I'm getting at, so any land that you've preserved in Riverhead, can people camp on it if it's in the zoning?

Most likely not. If it's preserved only for farmland use. So this is not preserved only. Only agriculture. I guess where I'm going, so what you're saying, this is not only preserved for farmland. this what that particular piece portion is this area i mean just because i don't know a lot about the land trust but that you have the ability to preserve something and then say we're going to preserve it but you know one for farmland over here and over here we're going to allow you to do here 4-h camping or they could they could build more cabins on there i i'm just i didn't know that you had that kind of what's the word I'm looking for if it remains as R80 could you build houses on there no could you build offices for no no all those uses are gonna be stripped away what uses are who strips that away so um forgive me I'm just trying to understand the process you say that you strip it way or the town if you purchasing it and maybe maybe um emory prudenti might be like if they if ra80 stays can you still develop that property or is it in other words is it your regulations or you classifying it through the county or other state means that says this is what puts the final restrictions on this property that's why i think we're trying to at least i'm trying to understand yeah so yeah could you turn around and sell that 69 acres to somebody else after this deal is complete you own it you say it's been a couple years and we're looking for additional income I'm not just only talking hypothetically but we're looking at being an interim owner here and facilitating the whole preservation process we don't want to be a long-term owner here that's why you conveying it right a zoning and end up with development on it you're conveying it to the 4-h yes right like you're done you're in that's that's the interim part of this you're like they then they cannot turn around and build houses there it's going to be restricted you can you contract with them so it depends how it works if we get money from New York State there they have their mechanism and their language that they are gonna apply to that area of the property I'm asking Marie to come up and just maybe bring a little clarity to some areas of how this mechanism works I think typically the way these things works I don't want to come over the top work is with the covenants and researches what the Peconic Land Trust does this is not a unique situation they They have, quote, created preservation efforts not dissimilar to this. Typically, what you will see are certain restrictions regarding every piece of property that they convey and its use. And if the TAM was so inclined to participate in this, I would assume that the TAM board would actually want and require a restriction that that piece, that 65 acres, would not be redeveloped for the following uses. And you can identify. It's put on the deed of the property. so if it's an agreement of the partnership in the preservation effort and the entire piece you know with everything um not atypical but and so so when it when it gets there'd be covenant and restrictions that would then pass on to the 4-h once the land is conveyed right 4-h is not going get property with all rates intact it's going to be restricted before it's turned over to them iconic land trust efforts in preservation are supported by individuals and entities that are in favor of preservation so i understand those individuals or entities contributing are not seeking to contribute to a residential grid development i i know i get that with the confusion was was that you know when when julie said whatever's allowed in ra80 i'm like okay wait a second what is you know that's where i'm like you know you know like where's that line these are you know if you look at the new york state program she's mentioning you know there's certain requirements that they assign i think uh to uh the attorney's point here you know i think it it would be a good discussion for riverhead to have to say all right these are uses we would never want to see there and you weigh in because you know any of these rumbling i've i've heard similar rumblings about koa on either side that maybe that's what riverhead was looking to do the more that we can provide certainty for the public i think the more the public you know there's already been such an outpouring of support for this preservation effort to make sure that what the intended purpose is is actually the outcome that we achieve and I think to have all of these discussions now even this is very helpful to clarify that point and you know I'd like to see a contract with the county I mean you know it would be very interesting to see what provisions are in there or is just as they is there any any confidence in that contract or what so the county of suffolk is going to put nassau county yeah i'm talking they're selling it they're selling full faith right i thought you had an agreement with nassau county i'm sorry for the purchase of the full fee title of the problem that's it with all the rights intact everything they're doing it and really what they're serving is an intermediary here to break it apart and i think that's initially what brought the discussion forward with riverhead to say hey this is a great opportunity for you all to have open space here and whatever that means to you and however you want to define that with your covenants and restrictions and all of that do that purchase it with cpf funds and then work together on that that 69 acres and you know there is a negotiation going back and forth with plt and and uh cornell cooperative extension they want to keep the camp there what that looks like but to your point of what future uses could be absolutely makes sense to have that that discussion so what is the cost so what is what is the county paying first what is anybody paying thank you ken i think that's I think that we need to go to executive session if that's what we're bringing the other four so when it comes to expenditure of community preservation funds it is a requirement under general municipal law town law and town code that you have a public hearing on it As part of the public hearing, the price is disclosed because our financial administrator, under statute, has to provide a report to the town board regarding our CPF financial wherewithal. The one aspect this project adds, if my count is correct, you have approximately 40 structures. On the whole site, there's approximately 100. On the proposed 35 acres for the town, there's proposed 40 structures. According to the appraisal report, 75% of all those structures are, quote, end of life. So it may behoove all of you to authorize engineering to give you a rough estimate. You know, it's not going to be concrete because you're not going. Some are easy, no foundations. you knock them, you know, you could like push them down. Yeah. Others, if there are foundations, yeah, you can't leave like an open foundation. So, you know, you are, so I'll say this legally. If you were to preserve this property and its access to the public for open space, you have to remedy and remove any dangerous condition. That's why I said... Before we take title. No, you just... But you're going to have to include that in your funding. I think that's why I said the other day when you asked... Yeah, it would have to be part of the negotiations, which we're not buying a fee there, but with you, we would like to discuss that possibility of the Peconic Land Trust partnering with us or being gracious enough to pay for the entire removal of those buildings. And so, hey, you can't tell me yes if I don't ask. I just wanted to ask that. This is not contingent on us buying both those pieces, right? We could purchase maybe the part that just abuts what we already own. Without structures. The other part. There's two parcels here. There's two in the pink. I'm looking at the one on the left. You just see two shades of pink. I'm just saying. you yes be a possibility of way that's running through it right I did right I'm just saying the way it looks on here it there's one that's that's above our existing part parcel that we own already open space and the other has all those structures on it I'm asking like 10 acres roughly what I'm asking is we don't necessarily have to purchase the whole thing correct yeah I mean that's that's up to you okay thank you potentially run into issues of access to the different parcels and right-of-ways and all of that but yeah it's not what I think so we do have that we have an existing land preservation already right below that so if we were to do that strategically so I've been on the property counseling current franken water there are already quote roads or cut throughs so we wouldn't have to make it make sense if they did that but julie i think you're right the appraiser That would be about 10 to 15 acres if you just did the one rectangle.

Would those 36 acres be full fee or development rights? Full fee. can i is and tell me if this is legal can i ask what the count can i ask what the county is paying and what the land trust is paying or is that exact session stuff so uh to the best of my knowledge historically the county of suffolk doesn't reveal the price until their final adopting resolution because it's not done okay and for the town of riverhead our goal is always fair market value supported by an appraisal i just julie and i communicating early on uh the kind of client trust had their own appraiser we utilize the same one so So I'm really confident in this appraisal. And if you review the appraisal, he did a sales comp approach. So when you go through the sales comp approach, even with consideration of highest and best value, it's a good appraisal, in my opinion. One other question, and I'm just going to give you a hypothetical. Burbhead buys that property, and we preserve it. and to me that property with that cliff we'd have to put like a fence yeah i mean that's a major liability somebody falls off that cliff who's it on there are steps that go down to their steps are completely gone they were there and could be replaced yeah at cost of over half a million dollars the way they're done today with anchoring into the cliff and i got a rough estimate on demolishing and removing those buildings, which is... Over two million. Yeah. So who's paying for that? Who's paying for the steps? You know, I mean, and then I get very concerned about, you know, not having any fence, regardless of the steps, because the steps are to the east. I've been on that property. But there's that whole big piece like that where somebody could just walk off and goodbye. so you know I'm just I don't want that liability but we get permission to if board members wanted to walk the property just to seize it I just drive up there I prefer to have permission before I go on somebody's didn't work out well is that pretty is that or something acceptable to somebody we can see what I would say is that yes we can absolutely do that but it is a little bit more complicated while camp is in session let us know an appropriate time i can see if i can arrange that but they might rather wait julie what about just the eastern portion is the camp utilizing any portion of that 35 acres currently um from what i understood they don't utilize it but they but they consider it part of their property so if you're on that property and camps going on they want to know what people would be on that property but yes they're not having any sort of activity. They don't do anything there. I think they do go to the cliff house occasionally for like a special little hike or a tour at the end of the camps. I don't know the exact day but it started June 26 I believe and runs for eight weeks. So we do have Julie on. We may be able to get on earlier, but it might just make more sense to wait. It's a little bit of summer or something, but it would be nice to see what we're... Yeah, I can definitely inquire about that. There's a couple options. We do have Julie on for another matter surrounding acquisition of real property. We can ask her and Legislator Joroski to come in today just to discuss more of the numbers, or we can have them come next week. So it's a man-to-cool to either one. I think today they're here. That would make a lot of sense. so at least we have a roundabout. Yeah, I'd like to go any second and at least know the numbers that we're talking about. So we'll add that to it. So I thank you guys for coming in. I think his next steps, too, it would make sense for Riverhead Town to think about the uses they would want to make sure don't happen there, just so everyone's clear about that and there's solvable problems the way I see it. Yeah, you had said that. I think I would. So we're summarizing. Absolutely. Is it coming up to exec session? Yeah. Good. Did you change venue for that? Yeah, we do. So we're going to let you guys go, and then in a second we'll ask for a first second to go in executive session where we'll discuss Julie Wisnowski, Pecanic Land Trust, matters surrounding possible acquisition of real property. You guys can walk if you want. So you're welcome to stay or go. And then also Julie Wisnowski, Legislator Drosky, with more matters surrounding acquisition of real property, more legal matters, matters surrounding update on litigation between the town of Riverhead and URT, matter surrounding with update on litigation between Santa River head and Suffolk County Water Authority both of those accounts are Howard and then personnel matters matters surrounding change in status of an employee with Shandell and stripling to matter surrounding update on miscellaneous personal matters with councillor Howard and matters surrounding possible change and status of an employee was tripling to have a first and second to go for the next thing on the agenda for the executive session if Emory Prudente could be in attendance. Absolutely we love when Emory's there so first and second to go into executive. All in favor? Aye. Thank you for your time everybody.

Thank you.