April 11, 2024 — Zoning Board of Appeals

Zoning Board Meeting

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0:00Thank you.
0:30Thank you.
1:00That has been adjourned.
1:01They've asked to have it adjourned to May 23rd.
1:03So can I have a second?
1:05Second.
1:05All in favor?
1:07Aye.
1:07Aye.
1:09A motion has been granted, so we'll listen to them on May 23rd.
1:14Hi.
1:15You want to read the next one?
1:16Sure.
1:16Thank you.
1:16Appeal 2024-007, Marta Campos, 91 Fire Lane, Weeding River.
1:22Suffolk County Tax Map Number 600-58-2-3.
1:27Residents B-80 or B-80 zoning.
1:30Proposed 11-foot by 12-foot gazebo.
1:33Applicant requests variances and or relief from Chapter 301-29A1C.
1:40Proposed rear accessory setback 5.1 feet.
1:43Minimum permitted is 29 feet.
1:45And this was adjourned from March 28th for failure to meet posting requirement.
1:51Tracy, did you receive the affidavits of posting?
1:54No.
1:56Is anyone here for this?
1:57Is anybody here for this?
2:00This is Fire Lane, Weeding River.
2:02Yes.
2:03Please come up, whoever's going to speak.
2:08Why do you ask me?
2:10Why don't you come up and speak?
2:11You've got to come up first.
2:12Thank you, Ann Marie.
2:15So you're going to come up here, you're going to speak into the microphone,
2:18and you're going to adjust it so they can hear you.
2:24Okay.
2:26Please raise your right hand.
2:28I do solemnly swear to tell you.
2:30I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth,
2:32so help God.
2:33If you agree, just say yes.
2:35Yes.
2:35Thank you very much.
2:36Please state your name and address.
2:38Martha Campos, 91 Fire Lane, Weeding River, New York.
2:43You've got to step closer to the mic.
2:46Martha.
2:47Martha Campos, 91 Fire Lane, Weeding River, New York, 11792.
2:54Okay.
2:55Tell us what you'd like to do there, please.
2:57Well, I have to say a few things.
2:59Oh, okay.
2:59So remember I was asking you about the, this is what it is, the certified letters, and
3:05then this paper signed, and pictures of the poster.
3:09Mm-hmm.
3:10Do you have those with you?
3:11Picture, do you have the pictures of the paper that was put?
3:17I guess what I do want to see.
3:23Did you take a picture of the, of the, and did you do the mailings?
3:27Yes.
3:28Okay.
3:29So when we're done, I'll give you my email address.
3:40You can email that to me.
3:41Okay.
3:42But I still need to have these receipts that you did the mailing.
3:43We have one receipt.
3:44Well, this receipt here is the one that proves that you mailed it out.
3:45This is the return one.
3:46This I'm not worried about.
3:47These small ones.
3:48Where did I get those?
3:49When you made the letter up and mailed it to me.
3:50Okay.
3:51So I'm not worried about that.
3:52I'm just worried about the paper.
3:53Okay.
3:54So I'm not worried about the paper.
3:55I'm just worried about the paper.
3:56Okay.
3:57So I'm not worried about the paper.
3:58When you made the letter up and mailed it out to the neighbors, you were supposed to
4:00to the neighbors you were supposed to get it certified somebody told you to tell them
4:05certified so you could get these green receipts
4:14yeah how can they get help yeah so tracy
4:21unfortunately we're going to have to adjourn but if they would like to come in tomorrow morning
4:28i'll sit down with you and walk you through the process of the affidavit of mailing and how to do
4:40certified mail because that's a prerequisite that your neighbors be put on notice
4:49so we're going to have to adjourn tonight's hearing
4:54do you understand so far what we said okay
4:57and in
4:58addition when you do come back what would be very helpful for the zoning board of appeals
5:06if you take photographs of that gazebo as well do you understand that also yes okay
5:14good the whole thing how high it is how sides
5:19okay so are either of you available tomorrow morning to come back to town hall or monday or
5:27tuesday
5:28you tell me
5:33i think monday is better okay yeah come in monday morning
5:37my name is ann marie prudente i'm a deputy town attorney when you come in you tell the police
5:43officer at the desk you need to come see ann marie i'm on the third floor okay okay okay
5:54i can write that down for them
5:58thank you
6:03That's too much.
6:06I don't know.
6:07Let's see.
6:16Tracy, do you have their phone number?
6:24You want their phone number?
6:27Yeah, they both.
6:27Do you want their phone number?
6:30Yeah.
6:31Yeah, Marie, you think two weeks is enough?
6:37Let me just show her.
6:39I would do three.
6:41I'd do up to four.
6:42Yeah.
6:43Four, good.
6:45You have it?
6:47So it'd be the first week in May, I guess.
6:50No, it has to be September.
6:54This is my name.
6:57If you get their telephone number,
7:00we have,
7:01who would it be?
7:06I'm not saying.
7:07The 24th of May.
7:08No, it's a day.
7:10Okay.
7:10The 24th of May.
7:11The 2nd of Thursday.
7:12We need to come back here.
7:14It's like the 9th.
7:14Different day?
7:159th, good.
7:16No.
7:17No?
7:18I'll give you a new date.
7:21I'll walk you through the process.
7:23Oh, okay.
7:24All right.
7:24Thank you.
7:26Tracy, is the next date the 9th?
7:289th.
7:28May 9th?
7:30Can we go the second week of May?
7:34So that would be the 17th, I guess.
7:37No, 23rd, I think.
7:39No, I'll tell you one second.
7:40Second week, the May 23rd.
7:43What week was six weeks?
7:44May 23rd would be the second meeting of May.
7:47That'll be, that'll be six weeks.
7:4923rd, she said.
7:50Okay.
7:51I don't have anything scheduled for the next two meetings yet.
7:54All right, good.
7:55But I do have something scheduled for May 23rd.
7:57All right.
7:57So, do you understand?
7:58understand what has been said and you're meeting with Ann Marie she'll be a great
8:04help she's a wonderful person don't be afraid
8:09Mr. Chairman respectfully I make a motion to adjourn this matter until May 23rd
8:13second all right all in favor aye Mr. Barnes I can't even see you oh there they
8:20they got you in a real small corner I want you on a big screen oh there you
8:25are thank you all right so we'll see you on the 20th well here at the 23rd but
8:34you're gonna see Ann Marie on Monday all right have a great weekend thank you yes
8:39Monday is in the morning to Ann Marie and then May 23rd will be the same time 6 p.m.
8:49Ann Marie maybe you should ask for an interpreter too from code enforcement
8:53yeah I'm gonna work with the
8:55town clerk's office she's okay they have an interpreter there
9:04or Leroy I could practice over the weekend
9:09okay
9:25okay appeal 2024-010 Maureen and Paul Sweeto 1579 Connick Bay Boulevard Laurel Suffolk County
9:41tax map number 600-71-2-28 residence B40 RB40 zoning proposed detached garage applicant request
9:51variances are released from chapter 301-15A1 of the bill.
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10:19250 main road, Mattituck for the applicants of Maureen and Paul Sweetow.
10:25As Tracy mentioned, we are here this evening seeking two variances to permit the construction of an accessory garage in the front yard of this waterfront parcel, which is located on Peconic Ray Boulevard in Laurel.
10:41It is a 46,000 square foot parcel in the RB40 zoning district.
10:50It's a flag lot.
10:52It's currently improved with a single family dwelling with an attached garage, and the applicants are seeking relief to demolish and reconstruct the house.
11:04The house construction is underway separately.
11:06There's a separate permit application for the garage just because there was no variance.
11:11Relief required for the balance of the construction.
11:15So, as mentioned, this is pretty straightforward.
11:21You know, waterfront parcel, there's really no place to put the garage other than in the front yard.
11:27The driveway takes access off the boulevard, and the garage is going to be placed simply at the end of the driveway where it has to be.
11:38So, I can briefly address.
11:41Oh, and they are seeking relief from the 10-foot requirement so that it can be, there can be only five feet between the house and the garage.
11:51It will be connected by a small breezeway, and that design was really to break up the mass of the house, you know, to attach.
12:04It just creates this really massive structure, and this house does not have a basement.
12:11And by breaking it up, it allows access to the mechanical area of the house from the outside, which is critical.
12:21So, just to briefly address the variance criteria under 267, this is a proposed construction of a garage with conditioned space on the second level in the front yard.
12:34The entire structure, the footprint of it is only 400 square feet.
12:39We would submit that there.
12:41The granting of variance relief here would not result in any undesirable change in the character of the neighborhood or be any detriment to nearby properties.
12:52My clients have been in touch with their neighbors.
12:54There was a neighbor that had questions about the application, and they met with them and answered those questions to their satisfaction.
13:03The surrounding properties are all improved with residences and detached garages.
13:09We do not believe that the five-foot.
13:12Relief, you know, putting a five or 10 feet would have any discernible impact on the neighbors.
13:19Obviously, having accessory garages in the front yard of waterfront homes is not an uncommon thing in the town as well.
13:27But unfortunately, we cannot proceed without the variance relief because of the code requirements for rear yard and 10 feet.
13:36As to substantiality.
13:40Well, it may.
13:42Seem mathematically substantial to request 50% relief from a code requirement.
13:46We don't believe that it's it's practically substantial here.
13:49There is no other feasible location to place the garage other than the front yard.
13:54And again, the the five-foot differential actually will allow for a narrow breezeway.
14:03It'll it'll reduce actually the intrusion into the front yard and break up, as I suggested, the two volumes of of the.
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14:11Structures to effectively reduce the mass of of the of the house in the garage.
14:18We would submit that there are no perceivable adverse impacts if variance relief is granted here.
14:25Obviously, it's a type two action under secret presumptively.
14:29There is no adverse impact.
14:32The applicants are proposing to install an I.
14:35A septic system on the property in conjunction with the construction.
14:39So we would also submit that there's.
14:41A net environmental benefit here with respect to this whole project.
14:47So if there are any questions the board has, I'm happy to address them, but we would submit that the variance criteria have been satisfied here, and we respectfully request that the relief be granted.
15:03Leroy, you got a question.
15:06Not really, because the way he explained the breezeway and there's access to the.
15:11The.
15:11Mechanicals.
15:12I really don't have a problem with it.
15:16I mean, the main variance is having a garage in the front yard.
15:18That's the real issue.
15:20But we'll see what other people have to say.
15:25Well, yeah.
15:26You have anything.
15:29Anybody here that want to be heard on this.
15:34I don't have any questions.
15:36There's one person on Zoom, but I don't know if there.
15:39He's going to speak.
15:41Yeah.
15:42I'm just Joseph.
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15:44I have the property to the north.
15:45Excuse me.
15:46Hold on, sir.
15:47What is your name?
15:48Have you been sworn in?
15:49No, I haven't.
15:50All right.
15:51Just raise your right hand, please.
15:52I do.
15:53So I'm going to swear to tell the truth.
15:54The whole truth.
15:55But not the whole truth.
15:56So help you God.
15:57I do.
15:58Thank you.
15:59State your name and address.
16:00Joseph.
16:01The initial.
16:02I'm Joseph.
16:03The initial.
16:04I have the property to the north.
16:05Excuse me.
16:06Hold on, sir.
16:07What is your name?
16:08Have you been sworn in?
16:09No, I haven't.
16:10All right.
16:11So I'm Joseph.
16:12The initial.
16:131575.
16:14The kind of payable.
16:15Laura on New York.
16:16Okay.
16:17Go right ahead.
16:18So I'm looking at the at the plans and I'm wondering why the.
16:23The 10 foot.
16:24Distance cannot be attained because there appears to be enough property.
16:27To the right of way.
16:28So I don't, I don't see what the five.
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17:11I think the intent of the 10-foot rule was not really necessarily to apply to an accessory garage that could be attached.
17:24I just think that the design was carefully thought out to allow for this access to create a transition space between the garage and the house, access to mechanicals.
17:37It just doesn't seem to be any need for the 10 feet, and it would just really push the house back out even further.
17:50So, you know, that's why it was designed that way.
17:55So it's for aesthetics.
17:59I don't like it to me.
18:01He stated it's for aesthetics.
18:04Oh, okay.
18:05So can I ask you?
18:07You stated that there was a house existing prior to this proposed structure.
18:17Oh, yeah, there's a house there, yeah.
18:18And did it have an attached garage, that structure?
18:24It does have an attached garage.
18:25It's just in a different, yes.
18:27Okay.
18:28Much smaller house.
18:29What?
18:29It's a much smaller house.
18:31I was going to ask that.
18:33Very small.
18:35Yes.
18:37And all of the proposed construction is otherwise conforming to all setback requirements here.
18:44There's obviously no other variance relief required, so it's completely conforming.
18:49Well, the frontage on the prior house was east-west, and now the house is north-south.
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19:09You can say.
19:13Excuse me, sir.
19:14Are you on the same parcel of property that this house is on?
19:17Are you in the front of this house?
19:20I'm on the front, the north side.
19:23North side.
19:24Okay.
19:25So you don't actually go by this house.
19:27He's down towards the bay, right?
19:30Right.
19:31He gains access to the left of my property.
19:37Right.
19:37Okay.
19:38Thank you.
19:40Yeah.
19:40So, but the whole thing here is that there's an issue of the five feet.
19:50But the thing is, what I'm wondering in addition to that,
19:57I'm not too concerned about the five feet,
19:59but will there be enough room for him to bring his car in to the garage
20:06and not...
20:08Will he be on the right?
20:10Will he be coming in on the right of way?
20:13Is that your main concern?
20:18Is that your main concern?
20:22Well, will there be a right of way?
20:27Will they retain the right of way there?
20:30Or does that become...
20:32There's no change contemplated to the access.
20:37It's a flag lot.
20:38So they come in over the flag to get to their lot,
20:42and that will be maintained.
20:44I suspect it will be improved,
20:47but it's not going to be altered or reconfirmed in any way.
20:52That's their property on the flag.
20:54So the flag leading to your client's property,
20:58is that owned by your client?
21:01Yes.
21:02It's not a shared driveway access.
21:05It's a flag.
21:06It's a flag.
21:07Yes.
21:07Yes.
21:08So the right of way that the gentleman's speaking about
21:14is literally your client's property.
21:18Yes.
21:18Nobody else shares that means of ingress and ingress.
21:22Not that I'm aware of, no.
21:23Okay.
21:24All right.
21:24I have no problem.
21:26Yeah.
21:29Leroy, you got any problems?
21:30Are you good?
21:32I'm good.
21:33Thank you, sir.
21:34Leroy?
21:36I'm good.
21:37All right.
21:38Who's got it?
21:39John?
21:40I think you are.
21:40And then do you want to do this before or after the reading?
21:45I'd like to do it before.
21:48Okay.
21:48Insert it.
21:49Right.
21:49So, counsel, if you agree with me,
21:54there's nobody else out there with any comments or questions?
21:59Apparently not.
22:01So typically the standard for the Zoning Board of Appeals,
22:05if they were going to approve this,
22:08this application, they would approve it consistent with the DEC permit,
22:14the March 18th, 2024 Conservation Advisory Council approval with conditions.
22:24You and I have discussed tonight that it'll be your intention to go back before the Conservation Advisory Council
22:37because it's your desire.
22:37Okay.
22:37So if you agree with me,
22:40number two. Agreed?
22:43Well, we did discuss that. It's not my desire to go back
22:48before the CAC. I guess if you tell me that we would have to. I think
22:52what we had proposed was some language,
22:56some changes to the form covenant that the CAC has used.
23:00And in discussing that with Greg Bergman, he didn't seem
23:04to think that would be an issue. I understand where you're coming from with respect
23:08to the second paragraph. So I think we agreed that the first one
23:12would be just a modification of the
23:16non-disturbance buffer for future wetlands
23:20restoration. But both of those clauses are subject
23:24to future review approval. The intent of it is
23:28simply to not have a blanket restriction that would foreclose
23:32any further application for any type of
23:36structure. It's not to suggest that
23:38by the end of the year, we're going to have a blanket restriction.
23:38By including that in the covenant, that my clients are somehow authorized
23:42to build a structure. They understand that they would have to go back and have approvals
23:46and potentially go back before the CAC. But it was
23:49simply carving out that
23:53opportunity to go, as opposed to having a covenant that would say
23:58you can never, ever do anything. Which, by
24:01our read of the covenant, without any modifications,
24:05it could be interpreted that way. And we just
24:08wanted to get out ahead of that. There's nothing contemplated right now. It's just
24:12making sure we don't, because as you well know, once that's filed,
24:16that's it. There's no undoing that.
24:20I understand the language of paragraph two of the CAC determination.
24:27I guess we can continue the conversation as to whether
24:30or not we need to go back to the CAC or whether
24:33that can be handled some other way. So, Mr. Chairman, you can
24:38read and I ask the Zoning Board of Appeals then
24:42before we conclude the determination, if I can just verbally
24:46add four conditions
24:49related to, in part, this back and forth between
24:54counsel and I. Okay. So you want to
24:58just read the way it is or what? I just want to state four conditions.
25:01Oh, with the conditions? Yeah. Do you want to read it? Sure.
25:06John, pass that down.
25:08If we get a volunteer, we take advantage of her.
25:13Maureen and Paul, I apologize.
25:17So, how?
25:201579 Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel, Suffolk County
25:24Tax Map Number 600-71-2-28
25:29Residence B-40 Zoning
25:32for Variants and or Relief from Chapter 301-15
25:36A1A where proposed garage and front yard
25:40where accessory structure is not permitted
25:44and proposed five foot step back to residence where minimum
25:4810 feet is required be approved
25:53subject to
25:55Suffolk County Health Department
25:59approvals, compliance with
26:04DEC permits.
26:06Required and issued related to the construction project.
26:11Compliance with the Conservation Advisory Council approval dated March 18th, 2024.
26:23Including the non-disturbing easement or such other determination as may by the CAC as may amend.
26:40March 8th, 2024 determination.
26:41And in accordance with the application sketches with amendments there to, if any, as filed with the building inspector.
26:48May I hear?
26:49So moved.
26:50Okay, Mr.
26:51Second.
26:52Aye.
26:54Aye.
26:55Portia.
26:56Thank you.
26:57Portia.
26:58Mr. Barnes.
26:59Aye.
27:00And I vote aye.
27:01So the variance has been granted.
27:02Thank you very much.
27:03I think you said that you're going to follow along.
27:04I think you said that you're going to follow along.
27:05You're going to follow all the permits and all that.
27:06Of course.
27:07So that's good.
27:08You won't have any problems.
27:09I don't believe we have an alternative.
27:10Thank you.
27:11Thank you.
27:12Thank you.
27:13Thank you very much.
27:14Have a good evening.
27:15I'm sorry.
27:16That's okay.
27:17Do you have any minutes or any money to approve?
27:18Yes.
27:19March 14th and I believe March 28th was sent over to you gentlemen to read.
27:20Okay.
27:21Make a motion we approve those minutes.
27:22All in favor?
27:23Aye.
27:24Mr. Barnes?
27:25Aye.
27:26Aye.
27:27Make a motion.
27:28And the next meeting date should be April 25th, but we do not have a motion to approve
27:29those minutes.
27:30All in favor?
27:31Aye.
27:32Mr. Barnes?
27:33Aye.
27:34Aye.
27:35Mr. Barnes?
27:36Aye.
27:38Mr. Moderator?
27:39Aye.
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Thank you. Thank you. That has been adjourned. They've asked to have it adjourned to May 23rd. So can I have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. A motion has been granted, so we'll listen to them on May 23rd. Hi. You want to read the next one? Sure. Thank you. Appeal 2024-007, Marta Campos, 91 Fire Lane, Weeding River. Suffolk County Tax Map Number 600-58-2-3. Residents B-80 or B-80 zoning. Proposed 11-foot by 12-foot gazebo. Applicant requests variances and or relief from Chapter 301-29A1C. Proposed rear accessory setback 5.1 feet. Minimum permitted is 29 feet. And this was adjourned from March 28th for failure to meet posting requirement. Tracy, did you receive the affidavits of posting? No. Is anyone here for this? Is anybody here for this? This is Fire Lane, Weeding River. Yes. Please come up, whoever's going to speak.

Why do you ask me? Why don't you come up and speak? You've got to come up first. Thank you, Ann Marie. So you're going to come up here, you're going to speak into the microphone, and you're going to adjust it so they can hear you.

Okay. Please raise your right hand. I do solemnly swear to tell you. I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help God. If you agree, just say yes. Yes. Thank you very much. Please state your name and address. Martha Campos, 91 Fire Lane, Weeding River, New York. You've got to step closer to the mic. Martha. Martha Campos, 91 Fire Lane, Weeding River, New York, 11792. Okay. Tell us what you'd like to do there, please. Well, I have to say a few things. Oh, okay. So remember I was asking you about the, this is what it is, the certified letters, and then this paper signed, and pictures of the poster. Mm-hmm. Do you have those with you? Picture, do you have the pictures of the paper that was put? I guess what I do want to see. Did you take a picture of the, of the, and did you do the mailings? Yes. Okay. So when we're done, I'll give you my email address. You can email that to me. Okay. But I still need to have these receipts that you did the mailing. We have one receipt. Well, this receipt here is the one that proves that you mailed it out. This is the return one. This I'm not worried about. These small ones. Where did I get those? When you made the letter up and mailed it to me. Okay. So I'm not worried about that. I'm just worried about the paper. Okay. So I'm not worried about the paper. I'm just worried about the paper. Okay. So I'm not worried about the paper. When you made the letter up and mailed it out to the neighbors, you were supposed to to the neighbors you were supposed to get it certified somebody told you to tell them certified so you could get these green receipts

yeah how can they get help yeah so tracy unfortunately we're going to have to adjourn but if they would like to come in tomorrow morning i'll sit down with you and walk you through the process of the affidavit of mailing and how to do certified mail because that's a prerequisite that your neighbors be put on notice so we're going to have to adjourn tonight's hearing do you understand so far what we said okay and in addition when you do come back what would be very helpful for the zoning board of appeals if you take photographs of that gazebo as well do you understand that also yes okay good the whole thing how high it is how sides okay so are either of you available tomorrow morning to come back to town hall or monday or tuesday you tell me

i think monday is better okay yeah come in monday morning my name is ann marie prudente i'm a deputy town attorney when you come in you tell the police officer at the desk you need to come see ann marie i'm on the third floor okay okay okay i can write that down for them thank you That's too much. I don't know. Let's see.

Tracy, do you have their phone number?

You want their phone number? Yeah, they both. Do you want their phone number? Yeah. Yeah, Marie, you think two weeks is enough? Let me just show her. I would do three. I'd do up to four. Yeah. Four, good. You have it? So it'd be the first week in May, I guess. No, it has to be September. This is my name. If you get their telephone number, we have, who would it be?

I'm not saying. The 24th of May. No, it's a day. Okay. The 24th of May. The 2nd of Thursday. We need to come back here. It's like the 9th. Different day? 9th, good. No. No? I'll give you a new date. I'll walk you through the process. Oh, okay. All right. Thank you. Tracy, is the next date the 9th? 9th. May 9th? Can we go the second week of May? So that would be the 17th, I guess. No, 23rd, I think. No, I'll tell you one second. Second week, the May 23rd. What week was six weeks? May 23rd would be the second meeting of May. That'll be, that'll be six weeks. 23rd, she said. Okay. I don't have anything scheduled for the next two meetings yet. All right, good. But I do have something scheduled for May 23rd. All right. So, do you understand? understand what has been said and you're meeting with Ann Marie she'll be a great help she's a wonderful person don't be afraid Mr. Chairman respectfully I make a motion to adjourn this matter until May 23rd second all right all in favor aye Mr. Barnes I can't even see you oh there they they got you in a real small corner I want you on a big screen oh there you are thank you all right so we'll see you on the 20th well here at the 23rd but you're gonna see Ann Marie on Monday all right have a great weekend thank you yes Monday is in the morning to Ann Marie and then May 23rd will be the same time 6 p.m. Ann Marie maybe you should ask for an interpreter too from code enforcement yeah I'm gonna work with the town clerk's office she's okay they have an interpreter there or Leroy I could practice over the weekend okay

okay appeal 2024-010 Maureen and Paul Sweeto 1579 Connick Bay Boulevard Laurel Suffolk County tax map number 600-71-2-28 residence B40 RB40 zoning proposed detached garage applicant request variances are released from chapter 301-15A1 of the bill. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

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250 main road, Mattituck for the applicants of Maureen and Paul Sweetow. As Tracy mentioned, we are here this evening seeking two variances to permit the construction of an accessory garage in the front yard of this waterfront parcel, which is located on Peconic Ray Boulevard in Laurel. It is a 46,000 square foot parcel in the RB40 zoning district. It's a flag lot. It's currently improved with a single family dwelling with an attached garage, and the applicants are seeking relief to demolish and reconstruct the house. The house construction is underway separately. There's a separate permit application for the garage just because there was no variance. Relief required for the balance of the construction. So, as mentioned, this is pretty straightforward. You know, waterfront parcel, there's really no place to put the garage other than in the front yard. The driveway takes access off the boulevard, and the garage is going to be placed simply at the end of the driveway where it has to be. So, I can briefly address. Oh, and they are seeking relief from the 10-foot requirement so that it can be, there can be only five feet between the house and the garage. It will be connected by a small breezeway, and that design was really to break up the mass of the house, you know, to attach. It just creates this really massive structure, and this house does not have a basement. And by breaking it up, it allows access to the mechanical area of the house from the outside, which is critical. So, just to briefly address the variance criteria under 267, this is a proposed construction of a garage with conditioned space on the second level in the front yard. The entire structure, the footprint of it is only 400 square feet. We would submit that there. The granting of variance relief here would not result in any undesirable change in the character of the neighborhood or be any detriment to nearby properties. My clients have been in touch with their neighbors. There was a neighbor that had questions about the application, and they met with them and answered those questions to their satisfaction. The surrounding properties are all improved with residences and detached garages. We do not believe that the five-foot. Relief, you know, putting a five or 10 feet would have any discernible impact on the neighbors. Obviously, having accessory garages in the front yard of waterfront homes is not an uncommon thing in the town as well. But unfortunately, we cannot proceed without the variance relief because of the code requirements for rear yard and 10 feet. As to substantiality. Well, it may. Seem mathematically substantial to request 50% relief from a code requirement. We don't believe that it's it's practically substantial here. There is no other feasible location to place the garage other than the front yard. And again, the the five-foot differential actually will allow for a narrow breezeway. It'll it'll reduce actually the intrusion into the front yard and break up, as I suggested, the two volumes of of the. Strip. Structures to effectively reduce the mass of of the of the house in the garage. We would submit that there are no perceivable adverse impacts if variance relief is granted here. Obviously, it's a type two action under secret presumptively. There is no adverse impact. The applicants are proposing to install an I. A septic system on the property in conjunction with the construction. So we would also submit that there's. A net environmental benefit here with respect to this whole project. So if there are any questions the board has, I'm happy to address them, but we would submit that the variance criteria have been satisfied here, and we respectfully request that the relief be granted.

Leroy, you got a question. Not really, because the way he explained the breezeway and there's access to the. The. Mechanicals. I really don't have a problem with it. I mean, the main variance is having a garage in the front yard. That's the real issue. But we'll see what other people have to say. Well, yeah. You have anything. Anybody here that want to be heard on this. So. No. I don't have any questions. There's one person on Zoom, but I don't know if there. He's going to speak. Yeah. I'm just Joseph. The. I have the property to the north. Excuse me. Hold on, sir. What is your name? Have you been sworn in? No, I haven't. All right. Just raise your right hand, please. I do. So I'm going to swear to tell the truth. The whole truth. But not the whole truth. So help you God. I do. Thank you. State your name and address. Joseph. The initial. I'm Joseph. The initial. I have the property to the north. Excuse me. Hold on, sir. What is your name? Have you been sworn in? No, I haven't. 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I just think that the design was carefully thought out to allow for this access to create a transition space between the garage and the house, access to mechanicals. It just doesn't seem to be any need for the 10 feet, and it would just really push the house back out even further. So, you know, that's why it was designed that way. So it's for aesthetics. I don't like it to me. He stated it's for aesthetics. Oh, okay. So can I ask you? You stated that there was a house existing prior to this proposed structure. Oh, yeah, there's a house there, yeah. And did it have an attached garage, that structure? It does have an attached garage. It's just in a different, yes. Okay. Much smaller house. What? It's a much smaller house. I was going to ask that. Very small. Yes. And all of the proposed construction is otherwise conforming to all setback requirements here. There's obviously no other variance relief required, so it's completely conforming. Well, the frontage on the prior house was east-west, and now the house is north-south. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. You can say. Excuse me, sir. Are you on the same parcel of property that this house is on? Are you in the front of this house? I'm on the front, the north side. North side. Okay. So you don't actually go by this house. He's down towards the bay, right? Right. He gains access to the left of my property. Right. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So, but the whole thing here is that there's an issue of the five feet. But the thing is, what I'm wondering in addition to that, I'm not too concerned about the five feet, but will there be enough room for him to bring his car in to the garage and not... Will he be on the right? Will he be coming in on the right of way? Is that your main concern? Is that your main concern? Well, will there be a right of way? Will they retain the right of way there? Or does that become... There's no change contemplated to the access. It's a flag lot. So they come in over the flag to get to their lot, and that will be maintained. I suspect it will be improved, but it's not going to be altered or reconfirmed in any way. That's their property on the flag. So the flag leading to your client's property, is that owned by your client? Yes. It's not a shared driveway access. It's a flag. It's a flag. Yes. Yes. So the right of way that the gentleman's speaking about is literally your client's property. Yes. Nobody else shares that means of ingress and ingress. Not that I'm aware of, no. Okay. All right. I have no problem. Yeah. Leroy, you got any problems? Are you good? I'm good. Thank you, sir. Leroy? I'm good. All right. Who's got it? John? I think you are. And then do you want to do this before or after the reading? I'd like to do it before. Okay. Insert it. Right. So, counsel, if you agree with me, there's nobody else out there with any comments or questions? No. Apparently not. So typically the standard for the Zoning Board of Appeals, if they were going to approve this, this application, they would approve it consistent with the DEC permit, the March 18th, 2024 Conservation Advisory Council approval with conditions. You and I have discussed tonight that it'll be your intention to go back before the Conservation Advisory Council because it's your desire. Okay. So if you agree with me, number two. Agreed? Well, we did discuss that. It's not my desire to go back before the CAC. I guess if you tell me that we would have to. I think what we had proposed was some language, some changes to the form covenant that the CAC has used. And in discussing that with Greg Bergman, he didn't seem to think that would be an issue. I understand where you're coming from with respect to the second paragraph. So I think we agreed that the first one would be just a modification of the non-disturbance buffer for future wetlands restoration. But both of those clauses are subject to future review approval. The intent of it is simply to not have a blanket restriction that would foreclose any further application for any type of structure. It's not to suggest that by the end of the year, we're going to have a blanket restriction. By including that in the covenant, that my clients are somehow authorized to build a structure. They understand that they would have to go back and have approvals and potentially go back before the CAC. But it was simply carving out that opportunity to go, as opposed to having a covenant that would say you can never, ever do anything. Which, by our read of the covenant, without any modifications, it could be interpreted that way. And we just wanted to get out ahead of that. There's nothing contemplated right now. It's just making sure we don't, because as you well know, once that's filed, that's it. There's no undoing that. I understand the language of paragraph two of the CAC determination. I guess we can continue the conversation as to whether or not we need to go back to the CAC or whether that can be handled some other way. So, Mr. Chairman, you can read and I ask the Zoning Board of Appeals then before we conclude the determination, if I can just verbally add four conditions related to, in part, this back and forth between counsel and I. Okay. So you want to just read the way it is or what? I just want to state four conditions. Oh, with the conditions? Yeah. Do you want to read it? Sure. John, pass that down. If we get a volunteer, we take advantage of her.

Maureen and Paul, I apologize. So, how? 1579 Peconic Bay Boulevard, Laurel, Suffolk County Tax Map Number 600-71-2-28 Residence B-40 Zoning for Variants and or Relief from Chapter 301-15 A1A where proposed garage and front yard where accessory structure is not permitted and proposed five foot step back to residence where minimum 10 feet is required be approved subject to Suffolk County Health Department approvals, compliance with DEC permits. Required and issued related to the construction project. Compliance with the Conservation Advisory Council approval dated March 18th, 2024. Including the non-disturbing easement or such other determination as may by the CAC as may amend. The March 8th, 2024 determination. And in accordance with the application sketches with amendments there to, if any, as filed with the building inspector. May I hear? So moved. Okay, Mr. Second. Aye. Mr. Aye. Portia. Thank you. Portia. Mr. Barnes. Aye. And I vote aye. So the variance has been granted. Thank you very much. I think you said that you're going to follow along. I think you said that you're going to follow along. You're going to follow all the permits and all that. Of course. So that's good. You won't have any problems. I don't believe we have an alternative. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good evening. I'm sorry. That's okay. Do you have any minutes or any money to approve? Yes. March 14th and I believe March 28th was sent over to you gentlemen to read. Okay. Make a motion we approve those minutes. All in favor? Aye. Mr. Barnes? Aye. Aye. Make a motion. And the next meeting date should be April 25th, but we do not have a motion to approve those minutes. All in favor? Aye. Mr. Barnes? Aye. Aye. Mr. Barnes? Aye. Mr. Moderator? Aye. Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Moderator? Thank you.