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Thank you. Good evening everyone and welcome to the voting board meeting for Thursday, September 24th, 2026. Could we stand for the flag to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic which stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay. You can start us off, please. Sure. So the first one, the first appeal is number 2026-018 for Jean Monzas Monza's at 54 Cedar Street and Aqaba County tax map numbers 600-113-2-73 and residents be 40 zoning they are requesting a variance for a side and your addition to the residents.

Good evening, Mr. Purshanowski. Please raise your right hand. You solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so I hope you're God. I do. Please state your name and address. Right. Vic Purshanowski. I'm working as a consultant with G. Monaces. It was the applicant here. She lives in a 749 square foot single family dwelling. As you guys know, it's a pre-existing non-conforming neighborhood prior to zoning. The variances that we're looking for are not out of character with the neighborhood. the basically what she wants to do is expand the dining area rec room 400 square feet and add closet space to the main bedroom 175 square feet does not involve the Suffolk County Health Department we're not creating any bedrooms and the renovation is not more than 50% of the total which is the new Health Department guidelines for the septic the new integrated septic system so we're here tonight just to answer any of your questions the applicant is here and so we're open for questions so you just stated that she's proposing is this already constructed excuse me you stated that she is proposing right this does nothing's been constructed we need the variances of file for a building permit okay

i really don't have any questions there is no dec or wetlands we're beyond the jurisdiction

marissa did we receive any correspondence from anyone regarding this application There was no correspondences in regards to this application. So have any of the neighbors objected to this? No. In fact, they all got letters.

Why don't you come on up and she'll explain. She spoke to all the neighbors, and she can put that on the record. Okay. Hi. Please raise your right hand. I do solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, help you God I do please state your name and address I live at I look Jean Monsi's I live at 54 Cedar Street I spoke to all my neighbors you know we have a very friendly relationship they love what I've done cleaning up the house and making it look nicer and they were all for it there were a few that said they would come but things happened and they couldn't make it when you went the building department was everything in order i mean did they they just asked you about the proposed addition were any all the decks in the water everything's in order everything's in order i applied for a co to replace the existing deck i already have that so they gave you the co they did okay they did so i did that um the deck was rotted old i replaced it all right and now i just want to add some closet space and a little bit of living space to make the house very good a little bit bigger so uh you heard me ask earlier i have a record here from the riverhead town court was a stop work ordered issued on the property when i first moved in i started to rip up the deck and then i guess someone from the town came and i went and immediately got a permit to actually do it the right way so that's all in order and then when you got the permit your applied for a cofd did the work i did and i have a co okay very good thank you thank you

were any other improvements other than the deck as i have here a witness affidavit stating new windows remodeled kitchen remover of this center wall remodeled bathroom new siding when I guess whoever made the complaint about removing the deck the town came they actually came into my home and didn't it's inspection and that was all cleared up so I had the electrician came and someone else came there were a couple of men from the town that came and said we're good so that should be on the record that they actually it is yeah when she asked me to help write on this the first question I ASK BOB BECAUSE HE WAS HELPING HER TO BEGIN WITH TO GET TO EXPEDITE THE LETTER TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAW THE CO AND I DOUBLE CHECKED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING ELSE WAS IN ORDER AND IT IS SO SO WHAT WE NEED IS JUST APPROVAL THEN WE CAN MAKE THE APPLICATION FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT ORDER THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND MOVE FORWARD I don't have the reading. Do you have a reading? I believe you have the reading. Do you have the reading? I believe you have it, actually. Okay. So, Mr. Chairman, with respect to appeal number 2026-018, I move that the appeal of Gene Monsey's 54 Cedar Street, Riverhead, Suffolk County tax map number 600-113-2-73 residential B 40 zoning for variances and are relieved from Town Code chapter 301 to 17 where proposed front yard setback is 13.4 foot and minimum required is 50 foot where proposed rear yard setback is 12.1 foot minimum required is 60 foot where proposed side yard a budding side street setback is 5.9 foot minimum required is 50 foot and where the proposed impervious surface coverage is 35% while the maximum allowed is 15% be granted in accordance with the applications and sketches with amendments there too if any as filed with the building inspector second Godzilla, are you on? I see Mr. Godzilla on. Is he on? Godzilla? Okay. Mr. Zaweski. Aye. And I vote aye. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. Good luck. Have a good night. Okay. So the next appeal is appeal number 20-26-019. It is entitled 645 Grumman Boulevard, LLC, located at 645 Grumman Boulevard in Calverton, Suffolk County Tax Map number 600-141-2-2.1. It is zoned as Natural Resource Protection, and they are looking for an interpretation for parking requirements to an indoor agricultural facility due to Town Code Chapter 301-231A. 31A for reasonable and appropriate off-street parking requirements. All right, Mr. Cuddy, we don't have to swear you in. Welcome. Good evening. Charles Cuddy, 445 Biffing Avenue, Riverhead, New York, for the applicant. This is a site that some of you may be familiar with, but it's sort of off the beaten track because it's in the Grumman area. It's owned by Signature Partners. The principals are here with me tonight, Mr. Frost, Mr. Weiss. The architect, Arthur Rast, is also here. This is a building that's 66,000 square feet. It's on a 20-acre parcel. The parcel was reviewed significantly by the Pine Barren Commission. The Pine Barren Commission on May 20th gave them approval for what is an agricultural and horticultural use at that site. THE SITE ITSELF HAS SIGNIFICANT PARKING BUT THE PROBLEM IS IN GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD COULDN'T DETERMINE ANY INDEX FOR THE PARKING IN THE COUNTY CODE SO THEY PASSED IT TO YOU THE ZONING BOARD TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. We believe that we have a number of examples that we can give you. Mr. Weiss is here. He will approach you and give you a handout, which I'm going to actually give you now. Mr. Weiss, if you come up.

Mr. Rice, are you an attorney? no I'm the member of the applicant sir you sell me swear to tell the truth tell truth nothing but the truth so help you got I do please state your name and the address my name is Andrew Weiss jr. I'm the CEO of signature partners and co-managing member of the applicant 645 Grumman Boulevard LLC our office is located at 285 Sills Road in building 2 in Patchogue. We also have an office in Manhattan at 200 Madison Avenue. So we are embarking upon an adaptive reuse of of three existing structures that form 645 Grumman. We are focused on a indoor agricultural use, which is an as of right use in the NPR zone. We are not looking to change the envelope or footprint of any of the structures, and we will keep all the outlying structures as they were constructed over time. Oh, could be. So there is nothing that specifically addresses indoor agriculture within the code in terms of parking. We hired a group called Third Act Architecture and Consulting who are specialists in creating indoor agricultural. you know they design and build spaces for people that are in the indoor agricultural industry that better oh yeah okay you know so our consultants have assisted us in you know putting together parking and employee counts so we can determine how much parking we need in conjunction with the Pine Barrens Joint Planning Commission we there's enough asphalt on this site where there were three approximately three hundred and five parking spaces that were you know built for a very different use it was a you know is an office use primarily that they were created for. So we have reduced the count to approximately 190 spaces and we are going to convert 34,000 feet of what is currently asphalt into green space. The site is 20 acres. 10 of those acres are our pine trees which are going to be preserved we're not going to we're not going to touch those pine trees they will stay just as they are so we agreed to you know reduce our parking town to approximately 196 spaces and we have an additional 15 land bank spaces in case we are to need them in our evaluation of other indoor agricultural uses it was determined that the buildings and Charles was talking about the first building which is building 78 which is phase one of our development this building is in pretty good shape the roof was replaced and this building remains in very good condition the other two buildings did not have replaced roofs so it's kind of been raining inside of those buildings for the last 30 years they're going to need a little bit of work to say the least but we're focused on building 78 and the parking lots that surround building 78 however we have done a parking determination here for the entire site where we feel that the maximum number of employees that will be required will be 120 um you know minimum number you know is 90 you know and that's that's per shift um so we have a you know a substantial buffer uh with the 196 spaces that is that for phase one building 78 you called it excuse me i'm sorry is that calculation based upon operation within building 78 yes that is uh actually a combination of building 7808 and the third building which is a single story uh property total square footage calculation of the buildings you're referring is uh approximately 126 169 square feet and does that reflect total quote the site yes the only thing that number doesn't include are three small outbuildings of each are maybe a couple of hundred feet they're very small and you know we're gonna you know keep them refurbish them we have various uses for them for for example you know storing containers that were have refuse one will be for the gardener and another actually has the electric service for the third building located in that so if you look at the chart that Charles gave you there are several examples here um 645 Grumman is listed as first um the second is actually um there was uh this is van de weathering um for a period of time there was 30 000 feet that was used uh by a company called columbia care where they were doing indoor agriculture using grow lights and they occupied approximately 30 000 feet and they they had 27 employees. Also on Sound Avenue is a company called Flavor Fields that you know that grows plants under lights. Their facility is approximately 45,000 square feet. They have 40 employees they have 60 parking spaces then there's an example in Massachusetts of a hundred and five thousand foot structure it's also used for the same purpose and they have 18 and 18 employees but they have a they have a fair amount of parking they have 70 parking spaces there and a company called uh living greens has two facilities um one of 44 000 feet and one of 200 the 44 000 foot uh property has 50 employees and 50 parking spaces and the 200 000 foot property that they have has a 120 employees with the same number of parking spaces and then we had one additional example on Birch Street in Massachusetts, which was a 26,450-foot building with 18 parking spaces and 18 employees. So all the parking spaces are intended for employees? Yes. There's not going to be any retail strictly wholesale operations and do you need any parking spaces for delivery trucks of yours or deliveries being made there any larger type of parking spaces um you know not that we're aware of we do have room for deliveries there's a there's there's a a lot of pavement around these buildings and um you know there's there's there's ample places for trucks to stop and uh and drop off a good trucks on site essence yes and we have there's a there's a a track that runs around the entire property making it for easy access So on this plan, is there any single loading zone? There is a freight entrance for the 78 building that is a roll door. that I don't have the site plan in front of me, but there's a fair amount of Thank you.

So there's a very wide aisle and there's an interior loading area inside of the building where several i think you could probably fit three or four vans actually inside of the building to be loaded but there's a lot of room to potentially line up trucks that might come in here that um can uh you know go straight out the uh the exit without having to go through any any parking lots or buy any of the cars the building 78 is flanked by two lots there's a there's a front lot and then there's a back lot that is a pretty good size 78 is the one that has the good roof yes okay this area proposed uh 34,843 square feet converted from asphalt. What's proposed in that thatched area? We're thinking of a grass field with some indigenous plantings. We haven't designed that yet. We do show some trees on the perimeter. WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THAT 34,000 FEET. BUT WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GOOD BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN US AND THE GOLF COURSE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PLAN TO YOUR RIGHT IS THE GOLF COURSE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES THAT WE'RE GOING TO RETAIN THAT ARE ALL OVER THE PROPERTY. but I'm thinking of this as a big grass field with trees and indigenous plantings. It's preserved. Yes.

Just for the record, can I ask you, is there a chance of actually getting this with whoever actually completed the study? What would you like on that, sir? this right here it just it gives us comparable 645 comparable Boulevard I've already forgotten who actually did this for you would it be possible to get it yes I can I can redo this and we can put the name of our consultant in any other data that you would like integrated into that so would you agree that the number of employees and the number of parking could be impacted based upon the number of harvest the amount of automation the growth style the plant density I think the answer is yes but if you look at the numbers we have a minimum and a maximum and the maximum reflects when they're harvesting because they're gonna have extra people there to do that they're gonna harvest they're going to package um and they're going to ship so the um you know it will ebb and flow a little bit but we we the the expected number of employees is is closer to 90 and then it gets to be 120 during those periods

just just to get on the record there's no proposed outside storage or anything else that would cannibalize any of those parking spaces no no outside storage will be i don't don't think it's allowed so under the code when he use is not identified on the parking schedule the code provides one parking space space per 300 feet my correct myself that's correct okay so that number would be over 400 parking spaces correct yes okay would be a lot of parking spaces right so uh

in the presentation to planning board this area of proposed 34,843 square feet converted from asphalt. Was that presented as a landscaped area? And I'll tell you why I'm asking. In every other area on the map, you identify natural green space. here, it almost is worded like it could be converted to a building in the future.

We'll be happy to write in anything you like there. You know, I think this site is... Yes. Well, you know, it's true that, you know, part of our hardship waiver is relegated to that we're not going to increase the footage here. Definitely not going to build another building. And we're going to renovate what exists. WE'RE EVEN LEAVING ALL THE OUT BUILDINGS BECAUSE THEY ADD SOME CHARACTER AND WE WILL USE THEM AS BEST AS WE CAN. BUT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WRITE IN THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A BUILDING SITTING HERE. AND WE WILL, AS WE ADVANCE THIS PLAN, WE WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PLANT HERE. NEW SPEAKER. you haven't decided yet what you're going to plant there or use those buildings for well so far we have the grass field um and then we have to you know look at the you know the contour of the land and and and we have to plan exactly you know what would be planted there no not on that land i'm talking about inside the buildings what what is that use going to be used for indoor agricultural use give me an example um there are a lot of uses out there um the uh you know we studied for example on our list here just to give you an idea um flavor fields is microgreens um you know columbia care who used to own van deweathering is no longer in business that was a cannabis use um living greens they actually do what is called aeroponics which is a new one for me and this is primarily done with lettuce and it's it's watered by mist I'm not even sure how they anchor the roots but it's it's it's an aeroponics use and I'm not a hundred percent sure what the other two facilities are but I'll get a definition for you mr. Cuddy I was going through the file you may have submitted it perhaps not to zba but do you have a copy of that grant of hardship thank you yes yes

if you don't oh if you have an extra copy that would be very helpful yes we do great Do you operate any similar, quote, indoor agricultural growing operations or not we do not we we do own a fair amount of medical office space and some industrial space but what we have done is the you know this consultant is helping us to determine you know what these tenants are going to need in terms of a facility so we in doing that we design a facility and we get an idea of the various requirements in terms of lighting electric air conditioning load heating load how the plants are going to be watered we will have probably two large you know outside tanks that sit next to the building that will have fresh water that will be drawn and the plants will be watered with that but the consultants are helping to determine you know what these tenants need so we know how to how to address them if it was a medical tenant we would know exactly what to what to tell them so based upon my research the type of operation has an impact on parking and for the zoning board you're here because this is not an identified use in the parking code So it means it's unique, different, novel. So I think it would be beneficial for the zoning board to have an expert report identifying the type of operation and somebody who is, quote, experienced with traffic and parking analysis. Would you have an objection to submitting that? No. We'd be happy to.

I guess voice my concern with that. It seems to me that this is a site that's remote. virtually from every other place if you've been there. And the parking is quite adequate. It's a question of how many spaces we need. But to go through a whole, essentially, traffic study. I wasn't suggesting traffic study. Somebody who's versed, then if you want to limit it to parking analysis based upon a particular use, that would be good. But the analysis we're giving you is that we're doing this indoor type of activity. And I don't understand how it would change anything somebody could add to it. Well, because I asked your client the question and he answered. Yes, parking can change based upon the type of grow operation on the level of automation, on the number of harvests, on the grow style, plant density. I mean, I'm not an expert at this, but certainly quick research on this, there are experts on it that can do a parking analysis for this type of use.

Okay, we can't add to the parking that we have. We said we have so many spaces, we have so many employees. I'm not sure what all that would establish. I mean you're saying somehow that that would change things. We have so many spaces. We have so many employees, the type of activity that we're doing. In the future, it may change, but not now. They have something that they're working on. I just find that something extra for a place that has a lot of parking has a large building where there's going to be a certain type of use inside. And I just think it's sort of an add-on to ask for that. That's all. But earlier, it was stated that the parking, the number of 205 parking spaces, was intended for all the buildings on site. Not just Stage 1, Building 78, for all. We haven't, we don't have uses for those sites yet, so we won't know. I mean, someday we may have to come back here and say we need more parking, but we don't think so. We think that these spaces will be adequate for the entire site. And that's why I don't understand why we'd be doing this study. Your representation tonight is you're showing us a plant with close to 129,000 square feet. by advocating parking of 205 spaces for building 78 only. Okay. I think we can explain a little bit more. Do you mind? You have to raise your hand. Okay, hold on. It takes me a while to stand up. You're telling me the whole truth, and that's what the truth is, so help you God. I do. I'm Robert Frost. Mr. Weiss's partner same addresses as him. So just to clarify what the Central Pine Barrens Commission approved Okay, so we can't have more than this under their jurisdiction Is 211 spots of which 196 exist or will exist and 15 are land banked So that is the maximum that the Central Pine Barrens will approve for the whole site. We believe that we need 120 ish spots for the entire site not for building 66 for all of it. And that is consistent with the table that we provided you, which shows that in the tightest configuration, it's about one employee per 1,000 square feet. But in many configurations, it's even less than that. It's one employee per 1,500 square feet or something like that. So just to clarify, we believe that we're actually going to be significantly over-parked. We're going to be over-supplied for parking spaces from even the maximum that we would have during a cutting period. I will grant you that you're right. There could be different types of products. Perhaps indoor tomatoes are denser than indoor kale. I don't know. Just to be clear, we're in the real estate business. We are not going to be operating this facility. We're going to be renting this facility. But the order of magnitude difference between one of those products and another does not take us from 120 maximum spots to 240 maximum spots. So I think that's what Mr. Cuddy is getting to, to have a study or a letter that basically gives you these examples and maybe a few more from, it would presumably be from our existing consultant who are well versed in this and can provide their credentials, isn't really going to give you more information than that. is not a well-known or broadly done thing or not millions of indoor facilities we believe based on the consultants that we've hired that the maximum headcount that we will have for the entire site is 120 and that's only during cultivation periods does that clarify well but you're not giving us any detail of why you have that belief that's all we're asking for this yeah is appreciated however there's no detail behind this in other words you're not giving us really examples of exactly what the type of growing or what is on these properties I bet I mean you know would that would that change the view would still be the same number of employees we think greater detail would be beneficial so we would propose if we were to do that that third act architecture and consulting provide that is that an acceptable consultant we have retained third act architecture and consulting to advise us on this project they are well experienced in the development and the construction of indoor agriculture would they be an acceptable consultant and would a letter from them that it provides more detail to you and what I just want to clarify because I don't I want to make sure we deliver what you want what would the report state that would help you in the report would explain number one their qualifications and experience number two what method did they undertake to do the calculation right I mean that's standard in a report how do you go from a to the end but these would be if they were providing this data they didn't necessarily build all these these are other projects but they they could talk about it there's and they could stay based upon review of the site plan and the square footage right okay and the detail that we do know regarding their proposed indoor growing plan and then give us the detail listen if that's what if that's what would give you comfort in terms of having more data we can do that I will say I do think that is a touch repetitive of what we've provided but I understand it that you want it with qualifications we can certainly have them prepare a report with their qualifications provide you with examples but I do want to be clear there aren't they are not going to have calculations in it they are going to provide you with examples of other facilities that have been developed they will state what which are not in this jurisdiction. They will state what was being grown in that facility. They will state how many employees, to the best of their knowledge, from public records there are, and how much parking was provided. If that is the detail that you need from them, we can probably ask them to do it. They may not have 50 examples. It may be 10 examples or five examples. I think to the extent that they could weigh in, to the extent that they have it, on the degree of, let's say, mechanization or automation, right? Because I'm assuming that there could be different stuff there. I think with what you mentioned, with something along those lines, at least for me personally, that would be more than fine. I will tell you that our concern originally in coming here was that you would actually reduce the parking further because the central pine barrens reduced the parking. So our concern is we want to keep the parking that we've been reduced to not that we're trying to minimize further right, that's why we're happy to have all these extra spaces because You know One day there may be trucks there. I don't know. That's not the original plan that they you know There's somebody might park their truck there. Excuse me when you went to the Pine Barrens was there a record of that? Yes, we've given it. Do we have that we have?

the minutes right so our problem that's what we need to do our process was we originally want we bought this building in november of 2025 this property we immediately went to planning planning said you were in the central pine barrens area you need to go to them for a determination we went to them they were established that they would be the lead agency by the town and by others we then went through the central pine barrens process and they granted us a hardship waiver on May 20th of 26. That hardship waiver was based on a site plan. It's the same site plan, materially the same site plan that you've seen. We then went back to planning, and planning sent us here. So planning has, we have not proposed to planning anything about that planted area other than it's a planted area, because we haven't gotten into that part of the process yet. So has the planning department or the planning board, Have they questioned you as to what you intend to raise inside the buildings? Other than agriculture, I don't think so. Tomatoes and cannabis are two different things that run very quickly. Well, it could be cannabis. Shop up the money on it. It's going to be cannabis. It absolutely could be cannabis. You as the landlord, are you going to retrofit those buildings and mechanize everything inside the buildings, or are you just going to lease it and let them do the work? We are doing a certain amount of work. We have to make those buildings rentable. We have to clean them up. We have to – Put the roofs on, yada, yada, yada. And then presumably the tenants will build them out. And then they'll come in and do the interior structure and mechanisms to deal with what they're going to raise. Correct. And the reason we brought in Third Act was to advise us on what would a typical tenant in various different types of agriculture look like in that scenario. Well, my guess is that cannabis is the most profitable. Yes, listen. And that's what they would come to you for, to rent. And I know you guys are working really hard to avoid using that word. I'm not actually trying to avoid it. Because there will be interference probably from the public. I don't know. But I do know that it's a different kind of business. I will say this. We are not trying to avoid that conversation at all. I understand you're prepared to deal with it. No, no. And we are capitalists, right? We buy stuff to make money on it. Gotcha. But I would highlight something that makes this site very different. The first is this site is already zoned for a natural resource in the natural resource protection zone, which permits agriculture as of right. The second thing is we are nowhere near any homes. The closest home to the north is almost two miles away. The closest home to the east is 2.3 miles away. The closest home to the west is 1.4 miles away. And the closest home to the south is about two-thirds of a mile away through a forest. We are not proposing an agricultural building, whether it's cannabis or tomatoes, anywhere near anybody's home. This is an old industrial building in an old industrial area near nobody's home. And so I do think, since the town of Riverhead does permit these uses and has opted in, that this space is consistent with that intent. opposed to are we recognize that not every applicant here is necessarily always consistent with that and have made other suggestions so we're happy to comply with whatever you want in order to make those decisions I do think we are materially different in in some pretty core ways and yes I mean people are entitled to object that's the democratic process of course but you know we want to comply with what you want so we can now withstanding the fact that we may find it a touch repetitive we understand the process and you need to have the record right so we'll get you that letter and we will have the we will have our consultant establish their credentials in that letter Charles when do you think we could get that like they try to ask you what's the next state you want it on for I mean I think they have all the data I don't know that they're professional report writers of this nature so I think we can have it in a matter of weeks as opposed to a matter of months I would hope to have it for before the event to 30 days 30 that's fine so I mean the next meeting is October 22nd and I just put the new things and there was only two on for that so it's totally up to you at this point I would anticipate the way would have it you well before I'll cover sir how do you gonna be here anyway I'm a 22nd I am isn't he always here do I have to be does that work the 20s hope that they can have it that time sure yeah we can I mean if you needed extra time simply contact Marissa did you want me to put it to the November date I would rather it for the October date because we're on April and they think they can have an October. Okay, great. Yeah. It's not they have the death. It's a question of them having the grammar. Thank you. Is anyone in the audience wants to speak on this subject? Anyone? Anyone on zoom? Nobody on Zoom. Okay. Motion to adjourn until October 22nd. Second. All right. Move to second it. Mr. Zawieski. Aye. Mr. Barnes. Aye. And I vote aye. So we'll see you on October 22nd. Thank you. Anything else, Marissa, that we have? How about meeting notes or anything like that? I do not have any meeting minutes at this time. So I'm hoping maybe by the next meeting I'll have some minutes. No, I'm just going to, Marissa, ask you to make this part of the record, the Pine Barrens Commission, and circulate to all zoning board members. You can email it. Thank you. Okay. If there's nothing else, can I have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. And close our meeting. All in favor? Aye. We all voted aye, so... It's aye-aye.